Free Agency 2018: Wide Receivers

February 13, 2018

By Steve Thomas

Free agency is a great time of year for all NFL fans.  Of course, it comes with ups and downs, but above all else, there are plenty of things to debate and talk about.  That’s part of the fun for fans. In the case of the Redskins, some signings in the recent past ultimately proved to be historically bad (hi, Albert Haynesworth, hope you’re doing well; Adam Archuleta, I hope you’re enjoying your money), and others proved to be great (London Fletcher, Pierre Garcon, Desean Jackson, Zach Brown).  This year, the Redskins have a myriad of needs, including wide receiver, running back, guard, defensive line, inside linebacker, and corner, at a minimum.  Therefore, over the next few weeks, we’ll take a look at some of the available free agents at various positions that the team may consider.  This week, primarily because Washington just traded for a new quarterback (read my analysis of Alex Smith here), we’ll attack the wide receiver market first, at least as the market applies to what the Redskins should be looking for.

My principal criteria for this analysis is that the Redskins should be looking for a young receiver, not an older player who wants to either cash in on one final contract or find a playoff contender.  At the same time, though, Washington also needs a veteran who can provide solid production and possibly provide a mentor for the young receivers on the roster like Josh Doctson and Robert Davis.  The Redskins are in building mode, not Super Bowl mode, and therefore should not increase the overall age of the team.

The Elite

#1 – Jarvis Landry

Landry, the consensus top receiver available this year, was drafted in the 2nd round of the 2014 draft out of LSU by the Miami Dolphins.  Landry was measured at 5’11”, 205 lbs, and ran a 4.65 40 yard dash at the 2014 NFL Draft Combine, although he improved his 40 time to 4.51 at his pro day.  During his four year career with the Dolphins, Landry has 400 receptions on 570 targets, for 4,038 yards, 10.1 yards per reception, and 22 touchdowns.  He has been healthy, playing in all 64 games[1].  His catch percentage over that 4 year period (70.2%) is elite, 9th in the NFL amongst all receivers and tight ends with 250 or more total targets (the Redskins’ own Jordan Reed is #1; see our analysis of Reed here).  Landry did not have to grow into his role as an NFL wide receiver; he has consistently been one of the most productive receivers in the game since his rookie year:

2014: 112 targets, 84 receptions, 758 yards, 9.0 yards/reception, 5 TDs

2015: 166 targets, 110 receptions, 1,157 yards, 10.5 yards/reception, 4 TDs

2016: 131 targets, 94 receptions, 1,136 yards, 12.1 yards/reception, 4 TDs

2017: 161 targets, 112 receptions, 987 yards, 8.8 yards/reception, 9 TDs

At 25 years old, he is without a doubt one of the best slot receivers in the NFL; however, he is versatile and has been effective for Miami coming when split wide at times, as well.  Every team, including the Redskins, can use a receiver who is as productive and talented as Landry, irrespective of his status as being principally a slot receiver and the presence of Jamison  Crowder.  Despite his lack of premier top-end speed, he is an incredible all-around athlete who routinely makes highlight reel-quality catches.

Landry, a three-time Pro Bowler at the top of the receiver market, will be looking for elite money, irrespective of his reputation as a slot receiver.  For the sake of comparison, in 2017, the Texans’ DeAndre Hopkins signed a 5 year, $81M contract with a $7.5M signing bonus $49M guaranteed overall, and cap hits of $18M in 2018 and $14M in 2018.  This is the approximate minimum that Landry will be expecting from his 2018 employer.  It’s possible that the Dolphins will place a franchise tag on Landry which will at a minimum greatly affect his ability to be signed by the Redskins.  Either way, it is unlikely that Miami simply lets him go to free agency.  If for some reason they do, Landry will have many teams vying for his services.

#2 – Allen Robinson

Allen Robinson has all of the qualities that make up a prototypical “#1 wide receiver” – hands, athleticism, size, playmaking ability.  Robinson, who stands 6’3” and weighs 220 pounds, was drafted in the 2nd round out of Penn St. by the Jacksonville Jaguars.  His only real knock is a lack of top-end speed – he ran 4.6 in the 40 at the 2014 Combine.  This, of course, doesn’t mean that he isn’t an outstanding receiver; it just means that he isn’t quite a Terrell Owens clone.  For his career, Robinson has 202 catches on 384 targets, 2,848 yards, 14.1 yards per reception, and 22 touchdown in 41 games played.  His career catch percentage, 52.6%, is ranked 74th amongst all wide receivers and tight ends with 250 or more targets.  On the surface, that catch percentage does not look promising, but this data should be evaluated through two lenses: (1) with Blake Bortles as his quarterback, Robinson has suffered from an extreme lack of quality passing, and (2) he has a fairly high yards per reception (22nd in the NFL form 2014-17 for receivers and tight ends with 250 or more receptions) and ran a good amount of deeper routes for the Jaguars, which means he’s had tougher passes thrown to him than, say a short-range possession receiver.  Robinson’s yearly stats:

2014: 10 games, 8 starts, 81 targets, 48 receptions, 548 yards, 11.4 yards per reception, 2 TDs

2015: 16 games, 16 starts, 151 targets, 80 receptions, 1,400 yds, 17.5 yards per reception, 14 TDs

2016: 16 games, 16 starts, 151 targets, 73 receptions, 883 yards, 12.1 yards per reception, 6 TDs

2017: 1 game, 1 start, 1 target, 1 reception, 17 yards, 17.0 yards per reception, 0 TDs

The principal problem with Robinson is reflected in his 2017 stats – he tore his ACL in game 1 against the Texans, and the status of his recovery from injury will without a doubt be a factor in his free agency.  Other than that, though, it’s his 2015 season that stands out: that year, he was an elite-level receiver despite Blake Bortles.  Unlike Landry, though, he did not progress in his third year and his production dropped. That drop coupled with his knee injury means he represents a gamble of sorts that Landry does not.  His market value should reflect that risk, and he should as a result be more affordable than Landry.  In fact, if teams are not comfortable with his recovery from his ACL tear, it’s at least possible that Robinson ends up playing on a 1 year “bet on himself”-type contract; however, considering that the Jaguars don’t have many free agents this year, it’s just as likely that Jacksonville franchise tags Robinson to keep him off the free agent market irrespective of his health.  Robinson is another player who will have multiple teams offering him contracts if he makes it to free agency.

Decent fallback options

#3 – Marqise Lee

Marqise Lee continues the tradition of highly talented, highly athletic players who come out of USC with big hype, but then fail to capitalize on that hype.  Lee, who is 6’0’, 192 pounds, was drafted in 2014 by the Jacksonville Jaguars.  He is a quality athlete who ran 4.52 in the 40 at the 2014 Combine.  In his defense, Lee’s stats suffered from horrendous quarterback play, as is the case for his teammate Allen Robinson.  For his career, Marqise has 171 receptions in 302 receptions, 56.6% catch percentage, 2,166 yards, 12.7 yards per catch, and 8 touchdowns.  His year-by-year statistical breakdown:

2014: 13 games, 8 starts, 69 targets, 37 receptions, 422 yards, 11.4 yards per reception, 1 TD

2015: 10 games, 1 start, 32 targets, 15 receptions, 191 yards, 12.7 yards per reception, 1 TD

2016: 16 games, 6 starts, 105 targets, 63 receptions, 851 yards, 13.5 yards per reception, 3 TDs

2017: 14 games, 14 starts, 96 targets, 56 receptions, 702 yards, 12.5 yards per reception, 3 TDs

What is most noticeable about Lee’s statistics is that he slowly became more valuable and more of a key part of the Jacksonville offense in each successive year, culminating with him developing into a full-time starter during the Jaguars’ 2017 run to the AFC title game, despite a slight dip in targets.  He hasn’t been a star as some thought he would be coming out of college, but he has become a solid starter.  It’s possible that Lee’s productivity could continue to rise in a better passing offense than Jacksonville.

Since Lee has made progress and was a valued part of their successful 2017 team, it’s possible that Jacksonville will make a push to keep him.  He may also want to stay in Jacksonville, provided the money is equal.  NFL teams will not pay him as a #1 option, but they will see him as a quality starting-level player.  Therefore, in terms of contracts, I expect him to receive offers in the 3 year, mid-level range, with cap hit in the $5M – $8M range and a decent sized signing bonus.  Despite him perhaps not living up to his USC hype, he is a good young player with solid production who is better than a “prove it” deal.

#4 – Sammy Watkins

Watkins, 6’1”, 210 pounds, came out of Clemson in 2014 as the 4th overall pick by the Buffalo Bills with a huge amount of hype and promise.  He didn’t live up to expectations, and the Bills first declined his 5th year option and then traded him to the Rams in August, 2017.  Watkins seemingly had it all as a 2014 NFL prospect, with 4.43 speed (as measured at the Combine) and faster “game speed”, game-breaking athleticism, good size, and some off-the-charts numbers (101 receptions in 2013) on an admittedly talent-rich Clemson team that hadn’t quite reached its national championship peak at that time. During his 3 years with the Buffalo Bills, he produced 153 receptions in 276 targets, 2,459 yards, 16.1 yards per reception, and 17 touchdowns in 37 games/37 starts.  His Bills’ numbers are affected by the fact that Buffalo was primarily a rushing team.  Also, quarterback Tyrod Taylor is known as an athletic runner who has taken some time to develop as passer, although he has a quality deep ball.  Including his 2017 with the Rams, Watkins has 192 receptions in 346 targets, 3,052 yards, 15.9 yards per reception, 55.4% catch percentage, and 25 touchdowns in his career.  His year by year stats:

2014: 16 games, 16 starts, 128 targets, 65 receptions, 982 yards, 15.1 yards per reception, 6 TDs

2015: 13 games, 13 starts, 96 targets, 60 receptions, 1047 yards, 17.5 yards per reception, 9 TDs

2016: 8 games, 8 starts, 52 targets, 28 receptions, 430 yards, 15.4 yards per reception, 2 TDs

2017: 15 games, 14 starts, 70 targets, 39 receptions, 593 yards, 15.2 yards per reception, 8 TDs

Watkins’ 2017 was unsuccesful and not helpful to his cause, as his 39 receptions on a Rams team that led the league in points showed that he just wasn’t a valued member of the offense.  However, his elite game speed and athleticism helps him get good yards after catch and makes him a valuable potential weapon if he can put it all together for a new team.

From a contract perspective, the Rams will almost certainly allow him to go to free agency.  He should be available at a significantly lower rate than both Landry and Robinson.  Watkins still benefits from his the lure of his potential, as at least some teams will be willing to take a chance on his natural skills and abilities in the hope that he can become what his draft status projected.  He’s also had nagging injuries over his career that caused him to miss games at times.  As is the case with Marqise Lee, the upper end of a contract offer for Watkins will probably be a 3 year deal, with mid-range money and low guarantees, with cap hit in the $5M – $8M range at most, and one year prove-it deal at the low end.  No team, including the Redskins, is going to bring Watkins in at a pay scale reflective of a #1 passing option.

Emergency backup plan

Terrelle Pryor

Many Redskins fans will hate this thought, but given the state of the 2018 receiver market, Pryor, who stands nearly 6’5”, weighs 230 pounds, and runs a 4.3 40 yard dash, might not be a terrible option for the right price if both he and the team can get past what happened in 2017.  Pryor’s story is well known – a uniquely elite, off-the-charts athletic freak who was the quarterback of highly successful Ohio St. teams between 2008 – 2010.  He was drafted by the Oakland Raiders in round 3 of the 2011 supplemental draft. After several unsuccessful years as a quarterback, Pryor converted to wide receiver on a full-time basis in 2016 with the Cleveland Browns and then signed with the Redskins for the 2017 season.  For his career as a receiver, he has 99 receptions on 186 targets, 52.2% catch percentage, 1,311 yards, 13.2 yards per reception, and 5 touchdowns.  His year by year statistical breakdown:

2016: 16 games, 15 starts, 140 targets, 77 receptions, 1,007 yards, 13.1 yards per reception, 4 TDs

2017: 9 games, 2 starts, 37 targets, 20 receptions, 240 yards, 12.0 yards per reception, 1 TD

It doesn’t take a football genius to see that Pryor’s 2017 in Washington was not a success.  He never became a key cog in the Redskins’ offensive wheel, didn’t appear to click with quarterback Kirk Cousins, and clearly had quite a bit to learn about being an NFL receiver.  That having been said, Pryor apparently suffered from an ankle injury for most of the year and was eventually put on injured reserve for that reason.  Head coach Jay Gruden stated to the media that Pryor’s vaunted 4.3 speed did not show up on tape.  The fact of the matter is that the Redskins still need a receiver with his physical attributes.  If the team thinks that his ankle injury was the primary cause of his unsuccessful season, generally, and the disappearance of his game-breaking speed, perhaps the team would be willing to sign up for Pryor, part 2, if the rest of the free agent market falls through.  Pryor should be available for a lower price than 2017’s $6M guaranteed deal.

Wildcard

Josh Gordon

Josh Gordon’s story is somewhat infamous in NFL circles.  From a purely skill and on the field standpoint, Josh, who attended Baylor University, is one of the top receivers in the game.  At 6’4”, 220 pounds, and track speed in the 4.5 range, with even better game speed, Gordon is explosive, capable and dangerous.  He was drafted by the Cleveland Browns in 2012 and was a Pro Bowler and 1st team All-Pro in 2013.  Unfortunately, Gordon’s long history of drug and alcohol abuse and addiction derailed his career, and he was suspended from the NFL for parts of 2014, all of 2015 and 2016, and the first 12 gamesd of 2017.  After several attempts at rehab and many personal meetings with Josh, Commissioner Roger Goodell finally lifted his suspension and allowed him to return to the Browns in week 13 of the 2017 season.  In 2013, he had 87 receptions on 159 targets, a league-high 1,646 yards, 18.9 yards per reception, and 9 touchdowns.  He played the final 5 games of 2017, catching 18 passes on 42 receptions for 335 yards, with 18.6 yards per reception and 1 touchdown on a Browns team with perhaps the worst quarterback situation in the NFL, which is an outstanding performance considering he hasn’t played in three years.

Absent his significant negative history, Gordon would without a doubt be a highly-sought after #1 option for almost any team in the league.  Due to all of his suspensions, Gordon is an exclusive rights free agent in 2018, meaning that Cleveland would have to let him enter the free agent market in order for him to become available to the Redskins.  Plus, considering his personal demons, he is probably better off surrounded by players and coaches who already know and support him.  Nonetheless, if the stars align and the Redskins front office feels like the team could properly support this player, he has the possibility of absolutely thriving and excelling with a quarterback like Alex Smith who is smart and accurate and throws a quality deep ball.

Conclusion

As you can see, the wide receiver market is fairly limited this year.  Neither of the top 2 receivers, Jarvis Landry and Allen Robinson, are likely to hit the free agent market, and the remaining players all have limitations to one extent or the other.  Nevertheless, given the state of the Redskins’ receiving corps and a fairly large need to acquire a veteran free agent, I expect the team to sign someone.  It could end up being a player further down the list who I haven’t discussed here, and if that’s the case, it will likely be a player who they are bringing in more on potential than proven prior production.

What do you think?  Let me know in the comments below.

 

 

 

[1] All stats in this column are courtesy of www.pro-football-reference.com, with the exception of college stats, which are courtesy of www.sports-reference.com/cfb/.  NFL Combine data is courtesy of www.nfl.com. Some limted background and college information is courtesy of Wikipedia.

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    Dante Pettis, Washington

    If the Redskins are looking for a more polished receiver with an NFL-ready skill set, Pettis might be their guy. He’s reportedly going to test very well at the combine, but his athleticism shows off more in his route-running and short-area quickness than leaping or pure speed. Pettis has a nasty double-move to get behind defenders, and strong hands to pluck tough catches outside his frame.

    At 6-1, 195 pounds, Pettis has a slight frame that could struggle with physical corners, but his releases are very polished and explosive against press coverage. He could potentially play on the outside and in the slot, allowing Gruden to be flexible with his personnel packages. Pettis is also an elite return man with nine punt return touchdowns at Washington.

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  • noonefromtampa

    up to 34 mocks now

    Da’Ron Payne, DT, Alabama 7
    Vita Vea, DT, Washington 5
    Roquan Smith, ILB, Georgia 5
    Calvin Ridley, WR, Alabama 5
    Derwin James, S, Florida State 4
    Denzel Ward, CB, Ohio State 2
    Baker Mayfield, QB, Oklahoma 2
    Quenton Nelson, G, Notre Dame 1
    Marcus Davenport, DE, Texas-San Antonio 1
    Josh Allen, QB, Wyoming 1
    James Washington, WR, Oklahoma State 1

  • noonefromtampa

    what site has 13. Washington Redskins: Minkah Fitzpatrick, S, Alabama?
    have not seen that

    • SCamp

      It was on MSN homepage… Yardbarker or something like that

  • SCamp

    Shaun White broke the blog…

    Fitting

    • RumpledSkinsFan

      Sorry. Can’t post now. Too busy watching figure skating! 🙂

      • SCamp

        Turn in your man card

      • RumpledSkinsFan

        J/K. But I can hear it on the TV in the background while I’m waiting for some more skiing,

  • SCamp

    Sean White is insane

    • Hope-18

      Shaun?

      • SCamp

        Yes… Shaun

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          J-A-M-U-A-L

  • Hope-18

    I only mentioned that because I was astounded by that fact and the coaching staff needs to be commended for being decently competitive with all that going on.

  • Hope-18

    I was re-watching one of the Redskins games from this past season and the commentators mentioned the Redskins had started 23 different players on offense through their first 9 games.

    • alex35332

      players or 23 different lineups?

      • HTTRsince65

        Players

        • alex35332

          that doesn’t sound physically possible. Even though we just watched the season.

          • HTTRsince65

            you are in the denial phase

      • Hope-18

        They said players… 23 different starters…

        • SCamp

          I believe it… at least 3 different RB’s… 4 different WR’s… at least 2 centers . At least 3 guards. At least 3 Tackles. 1 QB… At least 3 TE’s.

  • Hope-18

    Anybody celebrate Griffins B-day yesterday?

    • HTTRsince65

      We all know who did!

    • alex35332

      Yep, I went and hit my knee with a baseball bat, and then slept with some college floozies. The traditional celebration for his birthday.

      • Hope-18

        I’m laughing so hard right now.

      • SCamp

        Don;t forget to Tweet a bunch of cryptic self serving garbage

        • alex35332

          Yes, yes. Also photos and videos of silly work outs that don’t make you a better player.

    • SCamp

      Who?

  • HTTRsince65

    NOILRMOT DC

    • SCamp

      He should just stop posting

  • SCamp
  • SCamp

    Just saw this as a draft pick:

    13. Washington Redskins: Minkah Fitzpatrick, S, Alabama

    Washington was already able to replace Kirk Cousins by acquiring Alex Smith (becoming official in March), but that move created a huge void in the secondary with cornerback Kendall Fuller sent back to the Chiefs. Fitzpatrick is a fit at either safety or cornerback for a secondary that is now in desperate need of help.

    The explanation is a head scratcher.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Right.
      He’s a playmaker though, regardless of that shit D_C posted this morning.

      • SCamp

        I don’t read anything D_C posts after he compared our police to the North Korean regime… so I wouldn’t have seen that. I’m just not sure I would say we are in “desperate need of help” in the secondary.

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          He just posted a link to it, I can’t remember dudes name right now for the life of me, D_C didn’t throw in on it.

          • Different_Cat

            I have no idea what either one of you is going on about.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Maybe it was Bad Rep……so sorry, cheers!

  • Zig-Zag_BC
    • SCamp

      Really?

      He’s still pretty young isn’t he?

      • SCamp
      • SCamp

        Damn… he died like a year ago

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Well shit, lol, I just saw it on the news.

          • SCamp

            There was new news on a wrongful death lawsuit filled by his family today

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Yeah, I was listening to them jabber….guess I’m probably Noone’d by a full year, lmfao.

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    SCamp • 2 hours ago
    Looks like the VIX is starting to settle down…
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    Hmmm

    “A U.S. regulator is looking into whether prices linked to the widely watched Cboe Volatility Index have been manipulated, according to people with knowledge of the matter.

    The volatility gauge known as VIX is derived from S&P 500 options prices. The Financial Industry Regulatory Authority is scrutinizing whether traders placed bets on S&P 500 options in order to influence prices for VIX futures, the people said.

    On Monday, a whistleblower separately urged U.S. regulators to investigate VIX manipulation, claiming it has cost investors hundreds of millions of dollars in losses each month, according to a letter from a law firm representing the whistleblower.”

  • walter_in_fallschurch

    “am i going to have to turn this car around?!”
    -dad

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      “am I gonna have to pull over and whip some ass?” – Dad
      (fixed it)

    • Different_Cat

      He started it!

  • SCamp
  • the_amazing_spiderman

    Valentines Day… hope you don’t forget, or you won’t be getting ____________ (fill in the blank)

    • alex35332

      Or get married and you won’t get any and flowers and chocolate is just to keep you from getting yelled at

      • SCamp

        Sounds like you might not have married the right person. But I don’t know…

      • Different_Cat

        “Why are you crying?”

        SCamp: “Forget it. If you don’t know I’m not going to tell you!”

        • SCamp

          لا أحد

    • the_amazing_spiderman

      Well… that idea failed.

  • Different_Cat
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      • Different_Cat

        Other than SCamp, nothing is more annoying than bagpipes.

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Bagpipes rock, not sure what you’re on about….

          • Different_Cat

            If you installed pickups on fingernails and dragged them across a chalkboard, it would be nicer than bagpipes.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Crazy talk

        • SCamp

          ingen

      • Steve Thomas

        This is surprisingly good.

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Aye

          • SCamp

            Gotta check out a band names Bad Haggis

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    fro day

    • SCamp

      You gotta fro?

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        No

        • SCamp

          One?

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Loves….

          • SCamp

            D_C

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            He does, I agree, why he’s always pretending to ignore him.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            No one but Noone, and I mean no one.

          • SCamp

            Niemand

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            אף אחד

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    Fill the potholes!

  • Different_Cat

    Trump budget targets hundreds of National Weather Service jobs: report
    ———
    Walter’s gonna have a meltdown.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Meh……a daily occurrence.

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    Where’s Waldo?

    • SCamp

      Miami somewhere… or so he claims

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        South Beach?

  • SCamp

    All you do is call people names!!!

    -D_C

    • Different_Cat

      ^Douche

      • SCamp

        ninguém

        • Different_Cat

          douche

          • SCamp

            никто

  • Different_Cat

    Rob Porter claimed ex-wife’s black eye was due to a fall. Original. Surprised he didn’t go with the tried and true, “she walked into a door.”

    • SCamp

      Ninguno

      • Different_Cat

        ^douchebaga

        • SCamp

          nul

          • Different_Cat

            douche

          • SCamp

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  • SCamp

    Hey everybody…

    Our police are the same as the North Korean Regime

    -D_C

  • SCamp

    The Budget Office said Obama raised the national debt over $9 trillion in 8 years

    Says Trump will raise is $9 trillion in 10 years

    How are these guys different?

    I told you before the election Trump was a big spending liberal…

    • SCamp

      (psst)

      (hey D_C)

      (no one)

    • Different_Cat

      The main difference is that a huge amount of Obama’s spending was necessary in response to the biggest economic downturn since the great depression. Trump is spending like a drunken sailor in the 9th year of the recovery, when we should be paring back and building reserves for the *next* economic downturn. When that happens — and it will — we will be well and truly fucked by this massive debt.

      • SCamp

        No one…

        None

        • Different_Cat

          Dude, you’re approaching Hope levels of stupid.

          • SCamp

            No…

            One…

            At…

            All…

          • Different_Cat

            Hope-level stupidity achieved.

          • SCamp

            Not even your children…

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    Dun broke

  • btg

    Those taking umbrage with the BPD honoring Red Auerbach during Black History Month, lack the general understanding of some of the things Red did
    First GM to draft AA players
    First GM to hire an AA coach
    First GM to field a starting five of all AA players

    Spare me the indignation

    • SCamp

      I didn’t know this was a thing

    • Back to the good ol daysBruce

      nobody disagrees. However, he like most contributors can be honored anytime of the year. BHM is primarily for those “unsung” AA heros you’ve never heard of. Like Sgt. Homer whom served 40 years in the Boston police dept starting in 1878. To me that’s much more relevant and necessary than highlighting a guy like Red whom is a Boston and national icon and is probably recognized on a weekly basis, at a minimum, during the NBA season…

      • HTTRsince65

        obviously some disagree including you. You suggest he shouldn’t have been honored on a particular day. If you step back and take a deep breath can you realize how Petty that really is.

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  • SCamp

    Looks like the VIX is starting to settle down…

  • btg

    Time of death

  • alex35332

    Missed this yesterday, the Jaguars are getting rid of that dumb looking 2 color helmet of theirs? About time!

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    Jaguars officially announce a makeover for uniforms and helmets. All-gold or all-black? Click on either image to vote. No, there’s no “keep it the way it is” option. (H/T to Chris Creamer for helmet images.)

    • SCamp

      Those are terrible… some of the worst colors/helmets/unis in the league

      • alex35332

        Yes they were, but next year they go back to all black and teal jerseys it sounds like. Which would be a big improvement.

        • SCamp

          Still…terrible color scheme

          • alex35332

            Agree, not much you can do with it.

  • alex35332

    This may be better than some Olympic sports.
    https://twitter.com/ABC/status/963488933123379200

    • SCamp

      Certainly better than figure skating

    • kon, for now
      • SCamp

        Stupid

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        And on our 565th attempt…..

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        That would be fun with fox traps.

        • SCamp

          They shoulda manned up and done it with no pants on

          • alex35332

            looked like it was winter.

          • SCamp

            Shrinkage would minimize the damage then

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            I don’t wanna see that.

          • SCamp

            It’s like a train wreck… no one wants to see it happening but when it does you can’t look away…

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Ha

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Meh….just a white kid tryna be relevant – p1unk

  • Back to the good ol daysBruce

    Thanks Steve. Horrible FA WR group here. Curious how Robinson will perform within a decent offensive scheme and QB.

  • Back to the good ol daysBruce

    I fully believe Wentz would’ve stunk up the joint if drafted by Cleveland. Anything they touch….

    • alex35332

      Who’s gonna groom him.
      Who’s gonna block
      Who’s gonna catch.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Revving up the Twitter engines – Bob

      • Back to the good ol daysBruce

        I want to say they have the tools or have had a plan on was on their way but they always find a way to mess it up. I like Hue Jackson but even he can’t get through.

  • kon, for now
    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Funny

      • kon, for now

        HISHEs and Honest Trailers (the non-musical ones) are a blast.

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Walker baseball

  • btg

    The four first round qbs selected in 2012, Luck, Griffin, Tannehill and Weeden combined to throw exactly ZERO touchdowns in 2017

    • btg

      Two of these guys are out of the league and won’t return
      One guy hasn’t thrown in almost two years

    • Back to the good ol daysBruce

      Weeden..good lord

    • SCamp

      What a turd

    • kon, for now

      Three of the first five picks of the 2012 draft are no longer in the league. And the fourth, is probably done.

      • Back to the good ol daysBruce

        the Andrew Luck story is bizarre. Did we have anything to do with initial injury similar to what we did to P. Manning? lol

  • kon, for now

    If you’re into critically acclaimed cinema, the WEB_DLs for Three Billboards Outside Ebbing Missouri and Lady Bird have dropped.

    Not that I have any knowledge of any such thing.

    • btg

      What that means?

      • kon, for now

        Right?

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Yeah, how ’bout dem Redskins, eh?

      “Doritos pointy? Pfffft! I chew acorns, lady”

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    chad dukes 🇺🇸

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    Listening to Mason Rudolph get interviewed on NFL Radio & talk about being a #Redskins fan that grew up in the “Mark Brunell/Jason Campbell era.” I feel old and sad at the same time.

    • walter_in_fallschurch

      well… old, yes, but props to anyone who’s a redskins fan whose “growing up memories” are brunell and campbell.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Just be thankful we had something to carry us through…..though we’re on vapors, at this point.

      • p1funk

        Must have had a fanatic dad that didn’t let him cheer for any other team.

    • btg

      Error

      Not era

  • Steve Thomas

    Why is figure skating in the Olympics? If there are judges who decide the winner as opposed to a measurement of some sort, then it isn’t a sport and shouldn’t be in the Olympics. Boxing is the sole exception, because all judges are doing is essentially counting hits, so it’s really a measurement sport.

    No amount of argument is ever going to convince me that ice dancing is a sport.

    • Different_Cat

      And you wonder why the podcast doesn’t have more female listeners. 🙂

      • Steve Thomas

        We did have a female guest once, though.

        • kon, for now

          Did she ever come back?

          • Steve Thomas

            We had the tourism director for the City of Richmond on to talk about what to do and see in Richmond during training camp. She was great.

      • kon, for now

        Safe a place as any for that sexist remark

      • Steve Thomas

        And I fail to see how my comment was sexist. It applied to skating as a whole and said nothing about gender.

        • walter_in_fallschurch

          steve,
          it is possibly construed as a sexist remark in that women generally watch the olympics for figure skating and ice-dancing events. cray-cray, i know.

          • Different_Cat

            ^This. Figure skating is hugely popular with women and girls.

          • alex35332

            Watch woman’s ice hockey.

    • p1funk

      Boxing only goes to the judges if one guy can’t knock the other out. It’s still a sport with an objective finish point.

    • kon, for now
      • Steve Thomas

        All that does is show that the skating pubahs have created a highly technical way to fool people into thinking it’s a sport, when it isn’t.

        It’s not that I won’t watch it, despite the fact that it all looks the same to me, or that it isn’t entertaining; it just isn’t a sport.

        • kon, for now

          It shows that they’re looking for a lot more than just style points.

    • walter_in_fallschurch

      wait a minute! so, you don’t think gymnastics and toilet-paper dancing (summer olympics) are sports?!?!

      you are correct.

  • Bad Reputation

    The most badass real event in Winter Olympics is the Biathalon. Cross country and rifle shooting……in brutal cold. That’s some WWII shit right there. I loved watching that recently.

    • p1funk

      It’s not even WWII stuff. That’s just how Nordics lived as a way of life. They had to ski around and shoot animals to survive.

      • Bad Reputation

        its really cool. I enjoyed watching it.

      • mike5790

        I thought they lived by selling large quantities of oil on the world market, building up vast treasury to run a socialist gov with, living green, and then castigating everyone who uses fossil fuels?

        there’s even a name for that way of life

        the Nor way

        • p1funk

          That’s only half the story. They also live by relying on the protection and military goodwill of other nations, who prevent Russia from invading, only to turn around and criticize those nations over their militaristic sentiments and defense spending.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            They had something Krupp needed.

          • mike5790

            I was just happy with my little clever turn of the words

            but yes, I always laugh when people use “the Scandinavian” countries as example of what the US could be. could we borrow ideas? maybe. but it (the model comparison) isn’t without its flaws.

          • p1funk

            Governing a mono-racial and mono-cultural group of 5 million is also vastly different affair from governing a widely diverse nation of 250 million.

            There is nothing for the US and Scandanavia to learn from each other.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Give them a 8mm or a .30-60 and I’ll agree.

    • kon, for now

      Biathalon target shooting makes summer games target shooting look just, kinda sad really.

      • RumpledSkinsFan

        Biathlon golf. Carry your own clubs and rifle. Penalty stroke applied for each missed target. Oh yeah, and time it, too.

    • alex35332

      Not to be confused with the Bi-athalon in the World Sex Olympics

  • Bad Reputation

    There is a Summer Olympic event called “Athletics”….WTF is that?

    • Steve Thomas

      “Athletics” is what they call track, just like they refer to soccer as “football”.

  • Bad Reputation

    Cleveland came calling….and I had to pull the trigger.

    Your score is: 19870 (GRADE: B+)

    Your Picks:
    Round 2 Pick 1 (CLE): Vita Vea, DT, Washington (A-)
    Round 2 Pick 3 (CLE): Derrius Guice, RB, LSU (B+)
    Round 2 Pick 12: Will Hernandez, OG, Texas-El Paso (B+)
    Round 4 Pick 13: Deontay Burnett, WR, Southern California (A+)
    Round 5 Pick 12: Holton Hill, CB, Texas (A+)
    Round 6 Pick 14: Christopher Herndon, TE, Miami (FL) (A+)
    Round 7 Pick 13: David Bright, OT, Stanford (A+)
    Round 7 Pick 23: John Atkins, DT, Georgia (A+)

    • mike5790

      did Guice slap his gf and drag her down the stairs?

      -LP

      • Bad Reputation

        lol

      • Steve Thomas

        First of all, I hatehatehatehatehatehatehatehate trading out of the first rd. Like, I hate it. But I don’t think Guice is going to last until rd 2, pick 3.

        • Bad Reputation

          Yeah…..good thing it’s not real lol! I wouldn’t do that either.

        • mike5790

          he might end up going Rd 1 pick 4

  • RumpledSkinsFan

    Regarding Olympic judging, I think they could develop computer software that quantifies the ideal form for each move and remove the human element. Cameras and sensors would monitor the essential areas on the athlete and equipment and score based on deviations from the ideal. Be expensive, though, and only well-funded programs would have the ability to implement those things while training . Also, the Russians and North Koreans would hack the software and sweep all the medals.

    • p1funk

      Too complicated and boring. I vote for tiger-pits and fire-traps.

    • mike5790

      except, it would have to be unbelievably good to judge new elements that have not been tried before

  • Zig-Zag_BC
  • Zig-Zag_BC

    Turning that – into a +

  • p1funk

    My other big thought with the Olympics is that they need to get real about Summer Olympics and Winter Olympics and drop the pretense.

    “Summer” Olympics = competitions where black people will clean up

    “Winter” Olympics = competitions where white people will clean up

    • walter_in_fallschurch

      where is the pretense?

      • p1funk

        It’s not really about the season…

        • walter_in_fallschurch

          of course it is. people who live in cold places with snow do better in the winter olympics. people from hot places do well in summer olympics. duh….

          i think a valid point can be made about how winter olympic athletes perform in expensive sports.

          • p1funk

            It’s more about geography than seasons. Winter in Sub-Sahara Africa is different from winter in Norway. There are alot of places with lots of black people where there isn’t snow in the winter.

          • walter_in_fallschurch

            a wise man once said,
            “people who live in cold places with snow do better in the winter olympics. people from hot places do well in summer olympics.”

          • mike5790

            So, North Dakota should be a hotbed for Olympic athletes for both!

    • mike5790

      there’s a further race-based joke about who does the (actual) janitorial work, but its prob regionally-based (depending on where they hold the games)

    • Bad Reputation

      I know one summer event black people don’t do great in….swimming lol.

      • p1funk

        Considering all the swimming happens in indoor controlled environments, it really should/could be a winter sport. It’s a winter sport in high-schools

        • frediefritz

          You don’t go to school in the summer. So it would be hard to have HS swimming in the summer. But there are plenty of summer swim leagues.

      • mike5790

        banhammer!

        • Bad Reputation

          Huh?

      • Bad Reputation

        There are exceptions for sure tho.

    • kon, for now

      Now, take a moment to review the entirety of the summer sports and realize….

      https://www.olympic.org/sports

      • p1funk

        Realize what? That white people are sneaking in events like “equestrian crap” to get themselves some medals? I believe it.

        • kon, for now

          Realize…you’re focused on just a few select high profile events.

          • p1funk

            It’s the events that people care about. The real events…not canoeing.

          • kon, for now

            All you care about maybe….just some sprints and basketball.

            But again, look at the entire field of sports.

            And, women’s outdoor volleyball is about as popular as it gets.

          • p1funk

            Yeah…that’s another sport where the pretenses need to drop; at least in terms of why it is popular.

          • kon, for now

            There’s no pretense. It’s women who excel at volleyball who happen to dress light for effective play.

            So I’m told.

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    Meh… what’s in the placement of a vowel, anyway? Triple Axle, proper-like…
    https://youtu.be/jKEFw2rlDWw

  • Bad Reputation

    Sanders is more a slot guy isn’t he?

  • p1funk

    The problem with Olympic Sports that are entirely based on judging. With a bit of creativity these sports could easily be turned into real competitions with objectively-based winners.

    For instance, the gymnasts could be set out on some crazy obstacle-course, like American Ninja Warrior, that would still test all of the same skills sets, and you could include mandatory things like having to do flips (as opposed to mere jumps) from one platform to another. You could even go American Gladiator and have some WWE stars shooting tennis balls at them while they do it.

    All the artsy stuff could still happen, but as exhibitions, instead of competitions.

    • Different_Cat

      Also, tigers.

      • p1funk

        That’s more like it. Each competition they ahve to get creative with the obstacle course – gator pits, fire traps.

    • walter_in_fallschurch

      barrel-jumping!

    • alex35332

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StdUpboJH-s
      Now this would improve the biathlon

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Gladiators!

    • kon, for now

      There’s two sets of scores in those sort of events. Requisite skills as well as artistic.

      Points deduced for failing mandatory jumps and such.

    • Different_Cat

      That’s what the Ice Capades are for.

  • kon, for now
    • kon, for now

      It happens fast. But if you’re watching, she launches on the left skate, whips her right leg around and to make it an axel, lands on the outside edge of her right skate.

      You’ll see in the slow motion the adjustments her right foot makes on the landing.

      • mike5790

        then, the Russian chick comes out and smashes everyone else in the competition

        and then you have to get a hold of yourself, because she’s 15 going on 22. allegedly. and allegedly isn’t on PEDs.

        • p1funk

          Sports that rely entirely on judge’s scores is not sports, IMO. It’s art.

          • walter_in_fallschurch

            yes…. lets have ballet and battle of the bands in the next olympics….

          • p1funk

            air guitar competition

      • walter_in_fallschurch

        and, surely the judges gave her extra points for the redskins-like nature of her costume.

      • p1funk

        Forgive my ignorance regarding triple axel mechanics…but what does all that mean?

        • kon, for now

          ‘The axel jump is one of the most recognized figure skating jumps, but
          it is also one of the hardest for a figure skater to master. The axel
          jump is when the skater jumps from the forward outside edge of their
          skate and lands on the back outside edge of the opposite foot.

          To perform an axel jump, the skater enters into the jump from a
          forward edge. They will then take off from a left-forward-outside (LFO)
          edge (which means going forward on the left foot). While in the air,
          they will do 1 1/2 revolutions and then land on the back outside edge of
          their opposite foot.

          The axel jump is named after Norwegian figure skater Axel Paulsen who first performed the jump in 1882.’

          https://www.sportslingo.com/sports-glossary/a/axel-jump/

          • mike5790

            The Chinese did it 1000 years earlier!

          • kon, for now

            With bottle rockets!

          • frediefritz

            Yes, and they called it a Yao. But no one understood when they said “you yao dat!”

      • walter_in_fallschurch

        i really enjoyed the position of her left pinky and she landed that. remarkable….

    • alex35332

      I’d rather watch this than watch figure skating
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqmBpXxWZYs

      • kon, for now

        You catch Altered Carbon yet? Solid sci-fi.

        • kon, for now

          Star Trek Discovery had a good season finale.

        • alex35332

          Wife has wanted to watch it together, it’s been tough to find a time to watch it.

  • p1funk

    Wapo with an interesting article about re-signing Zach Brown. Brown may be looking for big cash (10mill/year) and the Skins may be positioning for some hardball negotiations to bring that number down. I hope we re-sign him.

    • alex35332

      I hope we do too, but not at 10 M a year.

      • p1funk

        The article lays out both sides in a pretty clear way. Brown’s risk is the same as last season – if he holds out for a big number he risks losing out on the first wave of FA and settling for much much lower. ILB is not a premium position in general in the NFL. But the Skins are needy and can’t afford to drive away their best players with lowball offers.

    • kon, for now

      Agent starting high is all that is. Has to be.

      As solid a tackler and run stuffer he is, he’s no $10m ILB.

    • walter_in_fallschurch

      i’ll be disappointed if brown gets away.

    • Different_Cat

      I think she missed the most important consideration with Brown, and that’s that he’s a great run defender but he’s not very good in coverage. The ILBs making top dollar are the ones who excel in both areas.

  • Different_Cat

    Nice analysis of the top RB prospects: https://www.ndtscouting.com/ledyard-evaluating-grading-stacked-running-back-class/

    His top 3 are:
    1. Guice
    2. Michel
    3. Barkley

    • Coach JS

      The Barkley fake slide begins!

      (Interesting article, DC. Thanks.)

      • alex35332

        If he fake slides to 13, we get him… and skip to the podium.

        • mike5790

          pass

          • alex35332

            On a good RB?

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            The champagne

          • mike5790

            pick and trade him for 3 1sts and a 2nd

  • alex35332

    106.7, asking the hard sports questions:
    https://twitter.com/CraigHoffman/status/963457939527864320

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    Rich Tandler

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    59m59 minutes ago
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    Broncos WR Emmanuel Sanders may be on the trading block. Should the #Redskins be calling John Elway? https://buff.ly/2F21t3a

    • btg

      No
      No more trading picks

    • p1funk

      Kirk for Manny straight up!

    • kon, for now

      He’s 30 and, wants to go to the Cowboys.

      • p1funk

        He goes to the girls and then we wait for Terrance Williams to get cut. Sign him cheapy.

    • Steve Thomas

      No.

    • walter_in_fallschurch

      well…. it depends on what you think we should be calling him.

      • Coach JS

        “Hello, is this Mr. Elway? This is Mr. Williams. I called to see if you are interested in a 2nd?”
        “….”
        “Second chance at that 2nd quarter, loser!!” (hangs up)

    • p1funk

      If this is their attempt to clear space for Kirk, then we could make it easier on them and deal for a trade. Make Elway cough up a good pick for facilitating it.

      • Different_Cat

        Nope, the deal is Cousins to KC for Fuller and a 3rd.

    • skinswest

      Wait until they cut him. He’s making something like $11 million/season.

  • kon, for now

    FYI…

    There’s drops. And, there’s incomplete passes.

    When the ball hits the receiver in the hands, and goes right through them and or at no point is the ball secure. That’s an incomplete pass. When the receiver catches it, has it, and losses it before being tackled, that’s a drop.

  • Coach JS

    p1funk • 21 minutes ago
    What did you hope he would be as a rookie or 2nd year guy? Jerry Rice? Randy moss?
    ————————————-
    I was hoping he’d be good enough that we wouldn’t be talking about taking a WR early in the draft.

    I don’t know what his drop rate was, but he seemed to drop a lot of passes.

    Again, I’m not giving up on him, but he certainly hasn’t put to rest the idea that we need a number 1.

    • p1funk

      Well, I’m not talking about taking a WR early in the draft.

      • Coach JS

        I’m not trying to start the Doctson Non-Fan Club here. I like the kid and think he has potential.

        But he wasn’t a rookie (except figuratively). And his catch rate shows why we will likely need to target WR somewhere.

        I agree with P1funk… hopefully not early in the draft.

        • p1funk

          Look, I don’t think Doctson is going to the Pro Bowl anytime soon, but in his first full year, he had 500 yards and 6 TDs as a part-time player; which is “good enough” for me. All I can say about that catch rate, is that I wonder how badly it was skewed by the one game (Denver?) where Kirk was just throwing it wildly in his direction and he had like 2/13 catches. My whole thing is that the offense as a whole does not require big-time WRs, so we don’t need to be chasing any.

          • Coach JS

            To summarize: Doctson has potential. He’s not a Pro Bowler. Let’s not target WR too highly in the draft or pay too much for one in FA.

            Turns out we agree. 🙂

          • p1funk

            Agree to agree

    • VKM93

      Catch % was 44.4. Not good, but again it was only his rookie year

  • p1funk

    I’d frankly be more open to cutting Reed, and finding a big-time pass-catching TE, more than a WR. Smith and Kelce were money together last year, and Gruden’s scheme seems to favor those inside routes that the TEs run. I don’t know what the finances of cutting Reed are (probably not good), but, just sayin

    • walter_in_fallschurch

      his injuries are vexing. but, when he’s playing, it just seems so easy for him to get open. easy-peasy. it’s like a joke. 6, 8. 12, 15, 20 yards, easy.

      • p1funk

        He’s averaged 10 games a season in his career. That’s pathetic. I don’t care how special you are when you’re healthy…if you are never healthy.

        And he’s due to make over 8mill next season. Freaking A, the further away we get from Scot McGlue, the nuttier many of his decisions are. That contract to Reed should have had some injury-related outs in there…

        • walter_in_fallschurch

          yeah… well… that’s the vexing part. i just keep hoping he’ll stay healthy. probably silly me.

        • Steve Thomas

          I published two columns here that showed evidence that Scot’s draft decisions and free agency decisions weren’t always as good as others. Some readers laughed at me on Twitter without bothering to actually study the evidence.

          • p1funk

            There was always much to be desired with his FA selections, but we had alot of faith in his draft picks. It’s a bit mixed, though, I believe it.

          • Steve Thomas

            His problem was that he missed on draft picks at a much higher rate than others.

    • kon, for now

      Doubtful that the iggles will be able to keep Trey Burton.

      I’m not down with signing anyone from that team, but…he’s looking like the best available option at the TE position. Could be had on the cheap as he’s been a backup since coming into the league.

    • Steve Thomas

      Reed is cuttable this year.

      • p1funk

        What do we eat on his contract?

        Make a run at Jimmy Graham!

        • Steve Thomas

          It’s on our salary cap page on this site. Projected out to 2022. Check it out. His cap hit is $10.1M, dead cap $5.4M.

  • kon, for now

    When Smith sits down to learn Jay’s system, he’ll be watching game film and wondering why Cousins was constantly targeting the wrong receiver.

  • kon, for now

    No longer held back by the QB….Doctson is going to have a break out year.

    • Different_Cat

      Going to be interesting. Doctson doesn’t get a lot of separation and only one other QB threw into tight windows less often than Smith. Might add up to another year of asking, “why won’t he throw to Doctson?!”

  • kon, for now

    And then Smith lobbies for Pryor

  • Big Buck64
    • kon, for now

      Out from under that flu yet?

      • Big Buck64

        been tough not gonna lie . bad strain .

        • kon, for now

          News says there’s two strains going around this season. Since you’ve already had at least one, if you see anyone yacking and kacking in public, go over and punch them for being irresponsible.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Thus infecting yourself with the other strain….this is yet another opportunity to utilize the beanbag shotgun.

          • kon, for now

            Well that’s just reckless. The impact would send virus all over the room. Not to mention now your bean bags are infected and need to be sterilized before you shove’em back in a shell.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            He/She could keep the beanbags, obviously.

          • kon, for now

            Right thing to do or not, I’m not leaving any evidence that I shot someone with a bean bag.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            They won’t be doing ballistic testing in them, c’mon man.

          • kon, for now

            ‘In your opinion, does the lead shot found at the scene match the lead shot seized from the suspect’s home?’

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            BEANBAG, so…. rice? and you imply that you would leave evidence in your home.

          • kon, for now

            They ain’t filled with beans man

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            I didn’t say beans, man. I figured it was some type of polymer but no shit, it’s lead. The second point stands.

  • p1funk

    No to Gordon, no to Pryor.

    You can bet Ryan Gruden will be back with the team. Whatever else the Skins do in FA at this position, I certainly don’t see them doing it with significant money. Doctson made enough progress last season that you are going to feel like he’ll keep taking steps forward towards being a number 1 guy. And am I the only one who feels like Maurice Harris should be getting more snaps?

    Money needs to be put aside for defense, re-signing Zach Brown, possibly Breeland, another impact Dlineman.

    • Steve Thomas

      They pretty much have to sign somebody, though. Right now, they only have Crowder, Doctson, Harris, and Davis. If you throw in Gruden’s pet, Grant, in there, they still need someone else as well. That WR group isn’t exactly the top of the NFL heap. Or even the middle of the heap.

      • p1funk

        Gruden’s offense isn’t built around a proto-typical number 1 WR, though. It spreads the ball around. You can get away without having a bonafide number 1 in this system.

        • Steve Thomas

          But we can’t get away with having a 4 WR group which scares exactly zero NFL defenses. They need weapons, to me at least.

          • p1funk

            We got away with it last season, even with J.Reed (the real #1 receiver in this system) out for most the year. The question is whether the QB can run the system and hit the open guys, and I think Smith will run the offense.

          • Steve Thomas

            We didn’t get away with it. This offense was decidedly less capable and explosive than it was with Garcon and Jackson on the roster.

          • p1funk

            Cousins threw for over 4000 yards and 27 TDs. I don’t know how much more explosiveness you want, but the passing game wasn’t the problem last season. Don’t need to go bonkers there. Get Reed back healthy, for the most part, will increase the productivity of the group assuming that Smith knows what he’s doing

          • Steve Thomas

            …but the team scored 54 fewer points as compared to 2016.

          • kon, for now

            Blame that on the kicker

          • p1funk

            Or blame it on a 28th ranked rushing attack?

            Look I’m not saying that getting a big-time wideout wouldn’t help the team. I’m saying that, given the strengths and weaknesses of the group, investing big cash in a WR is nowhere near the list of priorities. We were just outside the Top 10 in passing last season, even with a busted group.

          • kon, for now

            No argument here.The scheme gets guys open. All we need is a QB that finds them.

          • alex35332

            1/2 the yards were TE/RB not WR.

          • kon, for now

            Hell…it took till week, what, 4 or 5 before Cousins started targeting WRs.

          • p1funk

            That’s part of my point. Gruden’s offense spreads the ball around to open guys. You don’t need a keyed-in number 1 WR to run it effectively.

    • Steve Thomas

      Yes, Maurice Harris needs more snaps.

      • kon, for now

        And fewer injuries

  • Coach JS

    All this receiver talk is sad, considering we took a luxury/foresight (pick your side of the dichotomy) pick with Doctson in 2016, and if he’d panned out as hoped, we’d be able to get by on a cheap free agent and the chance that Davis/Harris can fill the fourth WR spot.

    But as Doctson is still an iffy prop as a number 2, we have yet another need glaring at us.

    PS Please no to Josh Gordon. You hate to bet against a guy, but it’s the smart bet in this case.

    • Steve Thomas

      Don’t give up on Docston just yet. He’s really only played one year; granted, he wasn’t consistent, but I’m willing to wait and see what happens in 2018 before I judge him too much.

      • Coach JS

        Just for the record, I’m not giving up on him by any means. I think he could be a dependable 2 or even a streaky 1 next year. But if he were what we hoped he’d be, WR would not be being floated as a possible 1st or 2nd round pick. Or pricey FA add.

        • p1funk

          What did you hope he would be as a rookie or 2nd year guy? Jerry Rice? Randy moss?

      • p1funk

        I don’t know how anyone could have watched Doctson last season and still talk about him like he’s a wasted pick and a disappointment. 500 yards and 6 TDs as a part-time player…

        • VKM93

          Exactly. People forget that he didn’t become the full-time starter really until the 2nd time we faced the Eagles

    • VKM93

      I think people are giving up on Doctson very quickly. 2017 was basically his rookie year and if you look around the league he didn’t do bad at all. I see his stats improving to 1000 yards 70 catches and 8 TDs. Had he been the starter all year he could have had at least 60 receptions for 800 yards and 7 tds this year

  • VKM93

    Conventional wisdom tells me that the Skins are better off targeting WRs who have the potential to become great WRs. I think guys like Taylor Gabriel, Lee, and paul richardson have only just begun to break their potential. Yes, ARob would automatically come in as a #1. However, he’s going to want near 10-13M and his injury concerns me.

    If a guy like Gabriel, Lee or Richardson comes in and produces better than far expected. That would be a steal in Free Agency because you’re getting a young guy on a cheaper deal with great production

    • alex35332

      I hate the idea of gambling on potential so much, we just go burned doing it with TP.

      • Steve Thomas

        That’s precisely why I didn’t include Gabriel and Richardson in this column. I was going to list a few extra names at the end, but this was already very long.

        • Steve Thomas

          I through Pryor in here as the “emergency option” because if they’re going to gamble, I’d rather gamble on the devil we know. I realize that’s an extreme minority opinion.

      • VKM93

        Your always gambling. No one player in this year FA WR class will be a hit. ARob is coming off an injury, Sammy Watkins is hurt all the time. I like the prospects of Gabriel, Richardson and Lee panning out over a Sammy Watkins and ARob honestly.

        And the TP example is a different kind of animal. TP was only a receiver for a year before signing with us. Choosing a Gabriel, Richardson or Lee would be way better because they are far experienced than TP

  • alex35332

    Oh and happy Mardi Gras to all our French, Cajun and Creole listeners.

  • Steve Thomas

    Honestly, this team needs a guy like Josh Gordon. His personal failings are a real shame.

  • alex35332
    • Flounder

      That is to high for him if he is the choice trade back he will still be there mid to late 20’s.

      • Flounder

        Hell you can trade back and still get Payne.

  • Flounder

    Different_Cat alex35332 • 16 minutes ago
    Pains me to say it, but another option would be to draft a WR in the first two rounds.
    __________________________________________________________________________________
    Good WR’s can be found later in the draft no need to take one that high.

    • alex35332

      Like I said, my plan is 1 FA WR who we know can produce and find a speed WR mid rounds.

  • alex35332

    mike freeman‏Verified account @mikefreemanNFL

    Ravens and Bears to play in 2018 Hall of Fame game.
    Elite.

    I mean I want to like the HOF game. But the HOF game just does whatever it can to make me not want to watch it.

    • btg

      Right!! – Jon Jansen

  • SCamp

    kon, for now Steve Thomas • 23 minutes ago
    Sign Gordon, then, employ a clean pee guy to insure Gordon isn’t suspended.

    _____________________________________

    …and by suspended you mean banned for life

  • Flounder

    Smith targeted Kelce far more than he targeted any other receiver on the team, Smith is more adapt to go with the hot hand even if the guy is not wide open unlike Kirk. We need a TE that can stay healthy and he will have a huge year. You have the following guys at WR now and I would pick up a few guys in the draft.

    19 Davis, Robert WR 6-3 217 22 R Georgia State
    18 Doctson, Josh WR 6-2 206 25 2 Texas Christian
    14 Grant, Ryan WR 6-0 204 27 4 Tulane
    13 Harris, Maurice WR 6-3 200 25 2 California
    83 Quick, Brian WR 6-3 218 28 6 Appalachian State

    • Flounder

      We need to find our Tyreek Hill.

      • HTTRsince65

        trey quinn?

      • Flounder

        You can say Smith had great weapons last year but one was a 2nd year 5th round pick and the other was a rookie 3rd round pick you wouldn’t have said either was going to do anything at the beginning of the season.

    • Steve Thomas

      Brian Quick and Ryan Grant are free agents.

      • Flounder

        There still listed on the roster I guess they haven’t updated yet we will be able to keep both if we want.

        • Steve Thomas

          Look at our roster on this site. They’re on the Redskins roster because the league year hasn’t ended yet.

          • Flounder

            Got it

  • alex35332

    Playing the floor/ceiling game. At this point the skins really only got 2 guys left on the roster to play WR, everyone else being a FA.
    Baring injuries, the floor, realistically for Crowder is probably the 750 yards range, Doctson, 500 yards like last year. Clearly you want them to improve, I don’t know if Crowder’s peak would be much more than 1K, Doc I don’t ever see as that kind of big yardage guy, I think he’s still more your TD threat.

    So, realistically, we are at 1250 WR yards from those two, ideally I think you want to find at least another 1250 yards. Based on guy’s career floors, I think if the team were to go after, hypothetically both Watkins & Robinson you can make up that gap.

    • Different_Cat

      Pains me to say it, but another option would be to draft a WR in the first two rounds.

      • Steve Thomas

        I’d rather sign somebody than draft one. They need somebody who can produce right away.

    • alex35332

      Maybe you bring Grant back on a inexpensive deal. I don’t know what his floor realistically is, probably good to project it to 250 yards or so? I think last year we saw the upper side of his ceiling.

      • Steve Thomas

        I’m tired of this team over-valuing an average receiver like Grant.

        They need a highly productive vet like ARob, if possible, or Lee, to me. They need somebody who’s going to scare a defense at least a little bit. The Redskins had just about the least-frightening group of WRs in NFL history last year.

        • alex35332

          I’m not over-valuing him, I seeing him as a 4th WR option.

          • Steve Thomas

            The team shouldn’t count on anything but blah from Grant.

          • SCamp

            Yea, the only receiver we could actually count on to catch the ball and get a first down last year. He’s no world beater for sure… but you need guys like him on the roster.Is he better than a 3rd or 4th receiver? Probably not… is he necessary (or guys like him?) Absolutely.

          • Steve Thomas

            There are a million guys who could do what Grant does. He isn’t special. I have no idea why Jay loves him so much.

          • SCamp

            There are no where near a million guys that could do what he does. While you may be tired of people over valuing certain players… it’s clear you undervalue them.

          • Steve Thomas

            Grant is in no way a special WR. He’s average. He has decent but not amazing hands. He runs good routes. He lacks the natural athleticism to separate. He’s a back of the position group possession guy. He is easily replaceable.

            If they want to re-sign him, that’s fine, there’s a role for him here. I just hope they don’t count on him to be a key player.

          • SCamp

            Well, considering he was the ONLY guy you didn’t shake your head at 2-3 times every game last year I’d say you better count on guys like him. Doctson and his first round pedigree had some wow moments but just as many head shakers. Crowder turned into a drop and fumble machine… Pryor was a disaster. Grant was the only guy that we were consistently complimenting game in and out for doing his job. Again… he won;t wow anybody… but he’ll be consistent and do his job.

          • Steve Thomas

            He can come or go, and it will neither upset me or excite me, or make a huge impact on this team.

        • VKM93

          Grant is still a good depth receiver. Doesn’t have to be a starter. I would like ARob but he’s going to be too expensive and we have a bunch of holes we need to address. I would rather take Lee at a cheaper price.

  • Different_Cat

    The only guy that might make sense, IMO, is Gabriel, who would stretch defenses more than anyone on the roster. The draft is also thin when it comes to speedy receivers. OTOH, it’s pretty deep as far as “good” receivers who should be available in the middle rounds. I’d grab one of those guys and re-sign Grant.

    • Steve Thomas

      They can sign Gabriel, sure, but I have come to strongly believe that this team needs a proven vet to take over the WR1 role. Drafting another guy most likely isn’t going to pan out this year, and Doctson might get there but he has a long way to go.

      This is why I’m an advocate for either ARob or Marqise Lee.

      Grant is average – he can stay or go.

      • Different_Cat

        I could see ARob but I’m not sure we’ll be able to afford him after we re-sign our guys. Lee I don’t see as a true No. 1.

        • Steve Thomas

          Lee is a quality player, though.

          • Different_Cat

            Solid No. 2, IMO.

            Spotrac lists Robinson’s value at $13.6M and Lee at $7.5, which is a lot more palatable.

          • Steve Thomas

            Lee at $7.5M….sounds like what the author of this column said without checking Spotrac.

            ***pats self on back***

        • mike5790

          hopefully Doctson becomes a 1

    • VKM93

      I agree. My top 3 choices are:
      Paul Richardson, Taylor Gabriel, and Allen Robinson. We need somebody who stretch the defenses. It will create more opportunities for Josh Doctson and Crowder. Gabriel or Paul Richardson have the speed to do it. Both would come cheap too

      • Steve Thomas

        I put Richardson in the “everyone else is gone” category.

        • VKM93

          I disagree. Richardson would benefit well in Gruden’s pass happy system. He showed a lot upside in Seattle

          • VKM93

            Also he was surprisingly a redzone threat for the seahwaks last year

  • kon, for now

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhYMh6JV0Mc

    The report is that Sweeney walked away with minor injuries.

    • mike5790

      looked good, wonder why she decided to put her feet down

      • alex35332

        must have slipped up.

    • alex35332

      Amazing that she only had a minor injury. all the weaving she was doing on the turn, can’t picture what goes through your head when that happens.

      • Different_Cat

        Can’t see it but it looks like her head must have slammed into the wall. Very lucky lady.

        • mike5790

          yes, she is, quite attractive young lady. oh, you mean…

      • mike5790

        humans don’t think. they react. thinking is for when it’s over.

        • alex35332

          Not saying it’s a life flashing moment.

          But I mean, the reaction, does someone going 80 MPH or whatever, how do you not grab for anything you can at that moment?

          • mike5790

            how many times do you think she’s crashed over the years of training? they probably practice the reaction so it becomes “instinct”

          • alex35332

            “how many times do you think she’s crashed over the years of training?”
            I mean the only knowledge I have on how often one crashes in training is the film montage from Cool Runnings.

  • HTTRsince65

    Your score is: 20110 (GRADE: B+)

    Your Picks:
    Round 1 Pick 19 (DAL): Maurice Hurst, DT, Michigan (A-)
    Round 2 Pick 12: Will Hernandez, OG, Texas-El Paso (B+)
    Round 2 Pick 18 (DAL): Nick Chubb, RB, Georgia (B+)
    Round 3 Pick 17 (DAL): Hayden Hurst, TE, South Carolina (A)
    Round 4 Pick 13: Trey Quinn, WR, Southern Methodist (A+)
    Round 5 Pick 12: Tyquan Lewis, DE, Ohio State (A+)
    Round 6 Pick 14: B.J. Hill, DT, North Carolina State (A+)
    Round 7 Pick 13: Heath Harding, CB, Miami (OH) (A+)
    Round 7 Pick 23: Michael Hill, DT, Ohio State (A+)

    without a 3rd round pick, i did accept 1 trade

    • mike5790

      if you’re drafting OSU players that late, they’re probably broken

  • skinswest

    Rumors in Denver are the Broncos having to release DeMarrius Thomas and/or Emmanuel Sanders if they land Cousins. They may release one of them anyway for $$ reasons. Either might be a decent FA option.

    • mike5790

      Talib

    • Steve Thomas

      I heard that; sounds insane to back the Brinks truck up for Cousins and then let his top WR(s) go.

      • Bad Reputation

        right

      • Different_Cat

        Sounds familiar, too.

      • mike5790

        Unless they let one of them go and draft Ridley

      • kon, for now

        And you’d have to go back to http://www.pro-football-reference.com for more stats

      • skinswest

        Which is why I think he signs somewhere else like the Jets who have a lot more cap space and could sign some other offensive players to go with him.

        The Broncos would have to gut a good portion of the team to afford him.

        • Steve Thomas

          Yeah, the Jets are a pretty likely option for him, I think.

          • skinswest

            The Vikings might be a possibility as well if they don’t keep one of their current 3 QBs.

        • mike5790

          I think Noone mentioned the Jets and Vikings having offenses that are most like what he had with Jay and Kyle.

  • Different_Cat

    Rams GM Les Snead confirmed the team wants to re-sign Sammy Watkins.

    “I know this – going from 32nd to first in offense, Sammy was a big part of it down the stretch,” Snead said. “A goal of ours is to keep that [wide receiver] group together because a lot of our weapons are 25 and under.” Watkins caught just 39 passes for 593 yards his first season with the Rams, but he did find the end zone eight times and, perhaps most importantly, stayed healthy. ESPN’s Alden Gonzalez reports the team will tag Watkins if they cannot reach a long-term deal.

    • Steve Thomas

      What I meant by the Rams letting him go to free agency was that they certainly won’t tag him and I doubt they’ll get a deal done before free agency starts. I didn’t necessarily mean that they wouldn’t make any effort to sign him.

  • Steve Thomas

    The truth of the matter is that I’d rather have Josh Gordon than any of these guys, but I don’t know if it’s wise to commit more than a year to a guy whose demons may or may not be behind him. Plus, I doubt the Browns let him go.

    • kon, for now

      Sign Gordon, then, employ a clean pee guy to insure Gordon isn’t suspended.

      • Steve Thomas

        “I can help with that” – Putin

    • skinswest

      If you could get him cheaply. I wouldn’t put all the eggs in that basket either. Sign or draft other options as well.

      • Steve Thomas

        It’s more a question of whether the Browns will let him leave.

  • SCamp

    Ugh… the wide receiver free agent class is turd filled

    • Steve Thomas

      It’s pretty bad this year.

    • mike5790

      FA is usually fraught with over-priced vets (their team can’t or doesn’t want to afford them) and players not many teams want, pretty much at every position

      • SCamp

        But this year, as far as Wr’s go… there’s NOTHING I would be thrilled with… and that sucks cause we need a #1 or a speed merchant pretty bad.

  • mike5790

    Also heard some prog mention Gabriel (ATL) as a (speed) possibility for the Skins.

    • btg

      Too small

      • mike5790

        4.2 speed
        one of the top 10 fastest guys in the NFL
        but yes, he’s not very big… 5’8″ maybe 170 lbs

  • Bad Reputation

    Watkins would be good. Still young…and never had a QB of Alex Smith ability. Always had scrubs throwing him the ball.

  • btg

    Lotta dreck in that list
    What about Paul Richardson from Seattle

    • Steve Thomas

      He’s a free agent. He’s one of those guys who the Redskins would be bringing in based on what they see as potential, not proven production and not to take over as the #1 guy. Has had injuries – ACL, hamstring – and was buried on the depth chart. Doesn’t excite me.

      • btg

        No one on this list other than ARob excites me

        • Steve Thomas

          ARob has the look, for sure, but his injury concerns me.

  • alex35332

    My plan would be to go after Sammy Watkins and just try and get the fastest WR you can in the draft somewhere in the 4th or 5th rounds.

    • mike5790

      pfffb
      Not as long as WE pick in front of you!

      -THAAAA RAIDAAAS

  • mike5790

    Lee sounds like a guy the current Skins FO would go after.

    • alex35332

      Yes, sadly I think Bruce goes after ceiling and not floor.

      • mike5790

        Lee, Crowder, and C Ridley!

        -Bruce

    • Steve Thomas

      I think Lee is the most realistic in terms of who they can actually get and who can help them the most. I’m not as keen on Watkins anymore after going through this exercise.

      Behind these guys, there isn’t much. Poor class.

  • HTTRsince65

    Poor wr FA class this year

    • alex35332

      Better than last years.