Let’s Talk About Alex Smith

February 5, 2018

by Steve Thomas

Welcome to Washington, D.C., Alex.  Or rather, welcome to the Ashburn, Virginia area during the week and then suburban Maryland on Sundays.  I’m not sure how the District of Columbia really fits into things anymore.  I hope you’re aware that you’re about to step into the lion’s den of fan apathy, resentment, and anger.  It isn’t you; it’s just frustration born watching 25 years of mostly losing.  Regardless, enjoy your time here – winning is the best medicine, so the more wins you get, the more the city will love you. Simple.

I don’t particularly want to talk about the way this (pending) trade went down, at least not right now.  The intent of this column is to take a hard look at what the Redskins are getting in their new starting quarterback.  What has Alex Smith produced in his career thusfar, and what does it say about what he could potentially accomplish during his time in Washington?

Alex Smith, who is 6’4” and is listed at 217 pounds, was a 2 star recruit out of Helix Charter High School in La Mesa, California.  He attended the University of Utah from 2002 – 2004, which was his only division I scholarship offer.  While at Utah, he played in 25 games, leading the Utes to a 21 – 1 record in games that he started.  Smith posted 389 completions in 587 attempts, for a 66.3 completion percentage, 47 touchdowns and just 8 interceptions for his career[1].  He steadily improved over the course of three seasons, with his final year, 2004, being his best: 214 completions on 317 attempts, 67.5 completion percentage, 9.3 yards per attempt, and 32 touchdowns to just 4 interceptions.  For those of you who are college football fans, this was the Utah team that won, and won, and won, but was continually snubbed by the BCS because of the conference in which they played.

Smith was drafted by the San Francisco 49ers as the #1 overall pick in the 2005 draft.  He only played 7 games in his first NFL season on a talent-free 49ers team that won just 4 games all year.  He did not post good numbers as a rookie, completing just 50.3% of his passes, with 1 touchdown and 11 interceptions, 5.3 yards per attempt and a quarterback rating of 40.8[2].  In fairness, the 2005 49ers’ leading receiver was Redskins fan favorite Brandon Lloyd, who caught just 48 passes in 109 targets for 733 yards.  They did have Frank Gore, but he was also a rookie that year and had clearly not become Frank Gore, borderline hall of famer, that he is today.  Smith was one of three bad quarterbacks on a bad team that season.

Smith steadily improved during his time with the 49ers, and by 2012, which was his last year in San Francisco, he was putting up numbers that were Pro Bowl-worthy if extrapolated over a full 16 games: 70.2 completion percentage, 8.0 yards per attempt, 13 touchdowns, 5 interceptions, and a 104.1 quarterback rating.  That 2012 49ers team, of course, had Collin Kaepernick as their quarterback of the future who started 7 games.  They also had much better talent by that time, including a Frank Gore who was running on all cylinders and a 1,000 receiver in Michael Crabtree.  All in all, Smith progressed in his efficiency and production, but did not do enough to force the 49ers to keep him.  These are his San Francisco-era combined statistics from 2005 – 2012:

  • 80 games played, 75 games started
  • 2177 pass attempts, 1290 completions, 14,280 yards, 59.3 completion percentage
  • 81 touchdowns, 63 interceptions
  • 6.6 yards per attempt
  • 79.1 quarterback rating

Smith’s trade to Kansas City  for the 2013 season and pairing with head coach Andy Reid proved to be a godsend for his career.  In the past four seasons, he averaged over 65% completions, had a quarterback rating of at least 93, averaged at least 7.0 yards per attempt.  Reid, of course, runs a west coast offense that requires quick, accurate releases, Smith has excelled in that environment.  In five years under Smith’s leadership, the team’s worst record was 9 – 7 (2014).  He was selected for 3 Pro Bowls and played in 5 playoff games over five years, losing 4.  His Chiefs-era combined stats were as follows:

  • 76 games played, 75 games started
  • 2436 passes attempted, 1587 completions, 17,608 yards 65.1 completion percentage
  • 102 touchdowns, 33 interceptions
  • 7.2 yards per attempt
  • 94.8 quarterback rating

In fact, over that time period – 2013 through 2017 – Smith put up many top 10 or better numbers in comparison to his peers.  He was extremely efficient.  He was 8th in the NFL in passer rating for quarterbacks with 50 or more starts (1.3 points ahead of former Redskins quarterback Kirk Cousins), behind only, in order, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Russell Wilson, Ben Roethlisberger, Matt Ryan, and Philip Rivers.  Completion percentage under those same limitations?  5th, just .16 behind Cousins.  Smith was second only to Captain America himself, Brady, in interception percentage.  By most measures, he was a roughly top 10 quarterback between 2013 – 2017.

However, in that same period, Smith was just 13th in the NFL in passing yards per attempt, at 7.23 Y/A, behind, among others, Andy Dalton (10th, 7.35), Rodgers (8th, 7.55), Cousins (5th, 7.69), and Wilson (1st, 7.81), and 18th in average passing yards per game.  One corresponding criticism about him is that he plays a checkdown game, similar to what Cousins did at times while he was here.  This is a valid criticism – according to https://nextgenstats.nfl.com (which is owned by the NFL), in 2017 Smith threw into “tight windows”, defined as a pass thrown when a defender was within 1 yard or less of a receiver at the time the pass was completed or incomplete[3], on just 12.7% of his attempts, which was ranked 40th in the NFL.  According to www.sportingcharts.com, in 2016 Smith’s passes went an average of 3.23 yards in the air, which was ranked 50th[4].   Furthermore, the always fun but frequently inaccurate eye test showed me that the 2017 version of Alex Smith was actually throwing into tighter spaces a bit more than he had in years past.  It does not mean that Smith won’t go deep; he has a strong, accurate arm.  It just means that more often than not if the deep or mid-range receiver isn’t open, he’s going to most likely dump the ball off a bit more than some other quarterbacks.

This isn’t necessarily a terrible thing; Aaron Rodgers was ranked 36th and the Redskins’ Cousins was tied for 24th in this statistic.  In fact, in some ways, it’s a staple of the west coast offense, which may be one of the reasons why Smith was so successful under Andy Reid.  It means that Smith is a careful, efficient, cerebral passer who most likely won’t take too many chances, similar to Cousins.  Jay Gruden will have to either scheme receivers open or rely on the natural ability of the receivers to separate in order for Smith to be successful.  All Pro tight end Jordan Reed, when he’s healthy and playing, is a master at this, and Smith had a tremendously successful connection with Chiefs’ tight end Travis Kelce, who is one of one two tight ends in the NFL (Rob Gronkowksi being the other) who is in Reed’s league from a talent perspective[5]. Vernon Davis is still deceptively fast despite his age and can get open given the right circumstances.  While Jamison Crowder is a talented receiver who can create some separation, 2016 first round pick Josh Doctson has a long way to go before this can be considered one of his better skills.  In fact, the Redskins receivers in general, at least those who are still on the roster right now (Docston, Crowder, Maurice Harris, Robert Davis), all have talent and some speed, but still need development in this area.  Translation: the Redskins need to acquire a wide receiver, probably a veteran, who knows how to create separation and get open in order to help Smith out.

One underrated and often overlooked aspects of Smith’s game is his ability to scramble.  He’s an athletic, mobile guy considering that he stands 6’4”.  In fact, during the period he was with the Chiefs, 2013 to 2017, Smith was in 4th place for total rushing yards for quarterbacks with 50 or more starts, behind only Cam Newton, Russell Wilson, and Collin Kaepernick (Cousins was 15th).  He had 317 carries for 1672 yards during that time, and his 5.3 yards per attempt was 6th in the NFL under those same criteria.  His 317 carries was 3rd-most behind only Cam Newton and Russell Wilson.  He averaged 5.9 yards per carry on 60 attempts in 2017.  In other words, this is one of the best rushing quarterbacks in the NFL, and he can still do it despite his age.

So what does all of this mean for the 2018 – 2022 Redskins?  They are getting a smart quarterback with a big arm who won’t make many mistakes, but will need to rely on Jay Gruden’s west coast scheme to maximize his effectiveness.  He’s shown absolutely no signs of slowing down, at least from a production standpoint, despite the fact that he’s about to be 34 years old.  Washington is also gaining a weapon on the ground, the likes of which they haven’t seen since Robert Griffin III’s 2012 season.  It’s certainly true that his Chiefs teams ultimately failed to get it done in the playoffs, but blaming all of that on the quarterback is for the foolish.  Over Smith’s 7 total playoff appearances over his career, he posted ratings of over 100 three times, over 97 twice, 77 once, and 69.7 once, for an average rating of 97.4.  He’s thrown 14 touchdowns to just 2 interceptions in those 7 games.  So, while he didn’t take the Chiefs to the Super Bowl, he also played fairly well in those games, with the 2016 division round game against Pittsburgh being the sole exception.

I’m excited about the possibilities that Alex Smith brings to the Redskins, and I think he’ll do as well or better than Kirk Cousins did here, for less money.  It really can work as long as Washington’s front office gets him some weapons.

What do you think?  Leave me a comment below.

 

 

 

[1] All college stats courtesy of https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/.

[2] All pro stats courtesy of https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ except as otherwise noted.

[3] NextGen calls this number “Agg %”, short for Aggressiveness percentage.

[4] This site did not have 2017 air yards stats available.

[5] To read my breakdown of Jordon Reed from last year, click here.

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  • Steve Thomas
    • Josh RosenSquinns

      Copetition to see who get there first!

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Is that like competitive fucking?

  • alex35332
    • Zig-Zag_BC

      “Unless you’ve got the physique of Andre the Giant, dropping by a pub and carrying a keg of your favorite beer home is nothing more than a fantasy.”

      Turn in your man card.

      • alex35332

        Yes, that line is really dumb.

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          They lose business with it, IMO.

          • alex35332

            If it were me I’d right “here is a cool growler, It’s got a beer tap handle and is made of copper, so it looks nice. Drink beer from it, and don’t be a douche”

      • kon, for now
        • Josh RosenSquinns

          Anklepants!

          -Alex

          • No Punt Intended

            🙂

        • No Punt Intended

          That’s a 20lb. empty keg.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            You’re just mad cause she threw your ass outta Clyde’s, lol

          • No Punt Intended

            I an’t mad. Besides, she isn’t ugly and women are are not ugly typically like me a lot.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            She looks like a biker friend of mines ole’ lady.

    • walter_in_fallschurch

      do you have to have a beard to buy one of those?

      • alex35332

        You don’t have to, but you should anyway.

        • HTTRsince65

          beards were so like 3 to 5 years ago East Coast is always behind the trends

    • No Punt Intended

      Had a growler once….in college. She was the anti-Christ.

  • Josh RosenSquinns

    Is tennis a sport? If Walter can play it, is it really a sport or just a silly little nuisance that occasionally flitters across your tv as you’re changing channels?

    • No Punt Intended

      NOOOOOO!

      – Lawn Darts

      • Lbsand

        Best. Game. Ever. Well, lawn game anyway. Certainly not for kids or drunk rednecks though.

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Right, drunk rednecks shoot skeet.

          • Lbsand

            And trap. And each other.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            So, Cheney? Birds count, right? I think they do.

          • Lbsand

            O yeah. Birds.Cats. Fords. But never ever dogs, that’s not cricket.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            You’ve never met a redneck, huh?

          • Lbsand

            Hundreds of fantastic folks with upstanding country values, yes.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Did you get curious as to the model of your ’94? 16″ barrel, or 20″?

          • Lbsand

            It’s a 20″ with the short carbine tube mag. Made in 1926 via the serial #.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Very nice.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Trolling Walter is a sport.

      • Josh RosenSquinns

        Only a competition if others are doing it, too.

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Indeed

  • alex35332

    So over lunch I got bored and calculated every teams passing yards to WR’s:

    Team WR Yards & Ranking WR TD & Ranking
    Pit 3272 1st, 21 2nd
    DET 3024 2nd, 18 7th
    TB 2960 3rd, 11 23d
    ATL 2848 4th, 13 16th
    LAC 2787 5th, 14 13th
    MIA 2776 6th, 18 8th
    LAR 2671 7th, 19 6th
    NO 2604 8th, 13 17th
    Min 2601 9th, 14 14th
    AZ 2537 10th, 15 10th
    SF 2530 11th, 7 28th
    Oak 2477 12th, 20 3rd
    SEA 2433 13th, 16 9th
    JAX 2426 14th, 12 20th
    HOU 2409 15th, 23 1st
    NE 2397 16th, 14 15th
    GB 2396 17th, 20 4th
    DEN 2312 18th, 12 21st
    KC 2285 19th, 12 22nd
    PHI 2269 20th, 20 5th
    WAS 2242 21st, 15 11th
    NYJ 2165 22nd, 13 18th
    NYG 2115 23d, 11 24th
    DAL 2111 24th, 13 19th
    CIN 2094 25th, 15 12th
    TEN 1977 26th, 6 31st
    Car 1922 27th, 11 25th
    IND 1814 28th, 7 29th
    CLE 1801 29th, 7 30th
    BAL 1734 30th, 11 26th
    BUF 1474 31st, 9 27th
    CHI 1391 32nd, 4 32nd

    • mike5790

      might need some formatting

      • alex35332

        Yeah this place is still not great for posting tables.

    • No Punt Intended

      Gee…..thanks.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      I have vertigo, thanks

    • HTTRsince65

      What does one make of these stats

      • alex35332

        Skins somehow didn’t have the worst WR core in the NFL like I’d have thought.

        • HTTRsince65

          I think they did have poor wr’s, however quarterback is pretty good. He’s within a handful of yards of our new quarterback.

      • Lbsand

        Balance matters. And what Alex said below.

    • Lbsand

      The 4 teams in the Conference Championships were roughly middle of the pack. Using TE’s and RB’s in the pass game, running the ball. ‘Balance and unpredictability’.

  • alex35332

    For all the Patrick Stewart’s we have up here. A cure for baldness seems to be McDonalds Frys
    http://www.businessinsider.com/dimethylpolysiloxane-in-mcdonalds-fries-could-cure-baldness-2018-2

    • Josh RosenSquinns

      Greg?

      • No Punt Intended

        And D_C.

        Resident chrome-domes.

        • the_amazing_spiderman

          And me…

  • noonefromtampa

    there are sports and there are competitions

    sports = football, baseball, hockey, basketball, skiing, bobsledding, speed skating, curling
    competitions = ice skating, gymnastics, snow boarding

    sports are head-to-head, competitions are judged

    • kon, for now

      Marriage is a sport

      Divorce is a competition

      • alex35332

        Marriage is the sport you go play after you retire from the sex Olympics. Kinda like Golf for ex-baseball players.

      • No Punt Intended

        I know some HOF cheaters.

    • alex35332

      And everyone should keep in context, as I’ve mentioned before, the line of what is/isn’t a sport evolves over time too. That 100+ years ago, there was a popular opinion that any game that required a referee to enforce the rules, heavily like Baseball or Football were not considered real sports like track and field. As weird as it sounds now.

    • mike5790

      if the Other doesn’t have a mechanism for what loosely can be described as “defense” then I don’t consider it a sport. it is a possible recreational competition. you don’t need a team, so tennis is a sport as you can manipulate the other, but golf is not.

      reality of it is, is that it’s all recreational entertainment

      • Josh RosenSquinns

        Get off my lawn!

        -Walter (not a real Redskins fan)

      • walter_in_fallschurch

        mike,
        that’s nuts. so a track race, javelin throw, long jump, is not a sport?

        • mike5790

          it would be pretty awesome if it was

          I mean, NASCAR is a sport. you can block and use various strategies (like drafting) that affect the Other

          it COULD be sport

    • walter_in_fallschurch

      noone,
      “head to head” is not the determining factor. i mean, a “battle of the bands”, or gymnastics competition is as head to head as a ski race. the difference is a sport should have an objective means of determining a winner. stopwatch, tape measure, # of goals, pounds lifted, barrels jumped etc……

    • Back to the good ol daysBruce

      you’re speaking in the context of the spectator and its entertainment significance. I agree there. But from the “athlete’s” perspective gymnastics for example is a sport.

      • walter_in_fallschurch

        is ballet a sport? do ballerinas consider it a sport?

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          I consider ballerinas sport, yes.

    • HTTRsince65

      So checkers is a sport?
      Jk

      • No Punt Intended

        SURE IS!!!!!!

        – GEICO Caveman

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        You Goshdarn right it is! – Beep

  • noonefromtampa

    Former NFL players Shane Matthews and Monty Grow are facing prison time for participating in a conspiracy that fraudulently took $20 million from a program providing health care for military members, veterans and their families.

    Grow was the ringleader of the operation and faces up to 20 years in prison for the conspiracy. Matthews pleaded guilty one count of causing a drug to be misbranded and was sentenced to three months in prison.

    Matthews played quarterback for the in Chicago, Carolina, Washington, Cincinnati, Buffalo and Miami. He started 22 games in his NFL career. Grow played briefly for the Chiefs and Jaguars.

    Matthews and Grow were teammates at Florida in the early 1990s.

    • alex35332

      Sounds like Shane flipped on his teammate.

    • smokey

      Hopfully the authorities recoup some of that money and return it to its intended recipients.

  • alex35332

    Interesting that Czaben put this out. The chart down in there of how often Jacoby went head to head with HOF DE’s is insane.

    http://czabe.com/the-post/the-case-for-joe-jacoby/

  • Josh RosenSquinns

    I’m one of those rare people that love the Winter Olympics more than the summer. Love the skiing (downhill and jumps), the snowboarding, the bobsled, the short track ice skating, biathalon, curling, etc.

    • walter_in_fallschurch

      that short-track skating is a trip. i love that snowboarding race where they have 4 or 5 racers on the track together. however, the snowboarding with the half-pipe and tricks and stuff (shawn white, etc…) are not sports, but performances.

      • Josh RosenSquinns

        If you don’t think that takes all sorts of athleticism, then I don’t know what to tell you. Just like the skiing arials.

        • walter_in_fallschurch

          is ballet dancing a sport?

          • the_amazing_spiderman

            this logic also requires that figure skating is not a sport… most certainly just a performance.

          • walter_in_fallschurch

            agree on figure skating, diving, toilet paper dancing (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5XsybhNOPs ), etc…

          • alex35332

            All the games that require a judge should be moved to their own Olympic season in Fall

          • walter_in_fallschurch

            alex,
            that would be fine, and they could show it on the lifetime channel or oprah network.

          • alex35332

            I got no issue even if its on ABC or a big network, just think it should be its own thing. I’d also bring back the music and arts segments of the Olympics in that season.

        • Back to the good ol daysBruce

          Agree. There is a special skill set, competitive nature and legit athleticism required to putt those off.

          • walter_in_fallschurch

            bruce,
            same with ballet. those guys/gals are incredibly athletic and coordinated.

        • kon, for now

          Team bobsled…one guy steers, everyone else keeps their head down till the ride is over.

          • alex35332

            Well they push at the beginning

      • the_amazing_spiderman

        Those damn whipper snappers and their saggy pants!!!
        https://media.giphy.com/media/BzwBs4sqBGdFu/giphy.gif

        • Josh RosenSquinns

          Get off my lawn!

          • walter_in_fallschurch

            it has absolutely nothing to do with its being a relatively new “sport”. like i said, i like the snowboard race.

          • Josh RosenSquinns

            You’re not a real fan!

          • SCamp

            We are now, officially as real as TI.

          • HTTRsince65

            I thought so too

  • SCamp

    ANTHONY M‏
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    Replying to @BurgundyBlog

    Isn’t it a little weird how the players were outraged about trading Fuller but the news that Cuz was replaced was met with silence. There is something very strange about that.

    • alex35332

      From what I heard on the radio after it happened most the team knew Kirk wasn’t coming back.

      • SCamp

        …and didn’t seem upset about it at all.

        • alex35332

          Maybe that, maybe it’s also that vibe of resigned to ones fate.

          • HTTRsince65

            More same old same old

      • mike5790

        I think it was Santana Moss who hinted at that. “had to bite his tongue” during the year, but everyone knew he wasn’t coming back.

        how much of that is hyperbole and/or informed, I don’t know

  • alex35332

    So Winter Olympics, what sports are folks ready 2 watch? I see that the 1st Mens Hockey game is at 7 AM on the 14th.

    • the_amazing_spiderman

      Curling! Yay! Sweep that damn ice!

    • smokey

      Bobsleding–Jamaica style

    • SCamp

      Wait… that’s starting?

      • alex35332

        Yep on the 8th.

    • walter_in_fallschurch

      skii racing (timed by a stopwatch), speed skating, luge, bobsled, skeleton, ski jumping, biathalon and yes, curling.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Downhill

        • walter_in_fallschurch

          yes. awesome. included in “ski racing”.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Ik

          • walter_in_fallschurch

            those downhill guys (and gals) are crazy, crazy, crazy.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Aye, you can literally DIE. Luge also.

          • walter_in_fallschurch

            in “skeleton”, you go down head first. nuts.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            I had a boss that goes skiing all over the world, poster boy for “wrong impression”, he is a farmer from Appomattox, Va. Anyway, he told me about watching them practice over in Austria somewhere. You better be brave, all I’m sayin’.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            First time I was in his office, he’s jabbering on about a hydraulic unit while eating cold soup out of a can, I look at his wall, “are these lift tickets?” Walter, they were from everywhere, including South America.

    • btg

      Downhill skiing

      • alex35332

        I mean downhill skiing is more fun to watch, but uphill, that’s the hard skiing where they seperate the wheat from the chaff

    • mike5790

      Grand Tour skiied with Jaguars. so I’m kinda got a full tank for winter sports, and ready to move on to spring ball

  • btg

    BScherffs twitter is like the back pages of field and stream

    • alex35332

      Yes, He sure does like to get outdoors.

      • walter_in_fallschurch

        does he drink craft beers?

        do all philosophers have an “s” in their name?

        • alex35332

          Techically even the most famous philosopher with an S in his name doesn’t REALLY have an S in his name because his real name is Σωκράτης.

  • noonefromtampa

    A routine National Weather Service test on Tuesday resulted in a false push notification to mobile phones about a tsunami warning, giving jolt to many residents on the East Coast.

    so if you’re evacuating from the tsunami, stop

    • alex35332

      Maybe we should have the tests re-phrase it to a Godzilla attack.

    • walter_in_fallschurch

      it was an (in)accuweather screw up, not an NWS screw up.

    • skinswest

      False nuke warnings in Hawaii, false tsunami warnings on the east coast. What the hell is going on with our warning systems. Sheesh.

      • alex35332

        They are running all on windows 10.

        • skinswest

          lol

  • alex35332

    So did this latest name change topic have anything to do with this story about the re-naming of the rebel yell at KD?:
    http://www.richmond.com/business/local/kings-dominion-renaming-iconic-rebel-yell-roller-coaster/article_5c754b18-61de-51ec-8590-a0a118b5378a.html

    • the_amazing_spiderman

      The coaster has been renamed to racist 75.

      … I mean… racer 75

      • alex35332

        I mean it’s a fun roller coaster. But it’s no Grizzly

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Mosby’s racer?

    • SCamp

      That thing is still around? I remember that from when I was a kid

      • alex35332

        Yep. It’s still going. And some folks are really upset about them changing the name.

  • Josh RosenSquinns

    alex35332 Team Captain SCamp • a minute ago
    Oh easily the Millenials are softer than previous. So are Gen X, Boomers, the silent generation. Do you know what the grandparents of the greatest generation thought about their grand kids. Called them soft for not fighting in trenches and using toilet paper.

    As society improves everyone gets softer.
    Heck the post millennial walk around with bubble wrap around their heads.
    ___________________

    Good.

    1) They are then easily identifiable.
    2) I don’t have to see their ugly mugs.
    3) I can hit them in the face and not hurt my hand.

    • alex35332

      Yep. In another 6 generations, we won’t even let kids use a butter knife. Mostly becasue all food will be sliced for us by robots.

      • mike5790

        unless they don’t. empire falls. and we’re back to the 19th century.

        • alex35332

          The only way we go back that far is if we fail via nuclear war. If we do it smart like the British did in the 40’s and 50’s we will be fin.

          • mike5790

            no, it would just take financial collapse

            and the whole world could financial collapse. servers get turned off. libraries of information in the digital age greatly curtailed

            if you don’t pay people, they don’t work, absent re-institution of a kind of slavery

  • noonefromtampa

    what’s the over/under on Falcon Heavy blowing up on the pad?

    • alex35332

      on the pad, low, does that count if it goes up and falls down missing the pad?

      • noonefromtampa

        if it clears the tower it’s off the pad

  • noonefromtampa

    volume on the Dow already over 350M so far

    • SCamp

      Crazy

  • alex35332
  • AustinSkin
    • btg

      I saw that earlier today
      I’m all for bringing back Jovias G

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Lookie lookie, well how ’bout that.

  • alex35332

    walter_in_fallschurch • 39 minutes ago
    my wife has a really funny, and seemingly accurate, theory that people who like craft beers have beards.

    It’s a coinciding of 2 things. Beards are common for men of the millennial age groups and younger, I’ve got and heard many theories as to why. They are also heavy craft beer drinkers when compared to the Gen-X, Boomers, who drink most the chick beer.

    • Josh RosenSquinns

      They look like idiots.

      • alex35332

        Old men drinking light beer, sure do.

      • Josh RosenSquinns

        Young peeps with beards, sipping lattes. Many of whom are hipsters.

        • alex35332

          well the latte thing started with Gen X.

          • SCamp

            The women of Gen X… the Millenial men appropriated it from women.

          • alex35332

            Whatever ya’ll need to keep telling yourselves.

          • SCamp

            I think that might be your issue. Trying to justify the pussification of America in the Millenial generation. Whatever makes you feel better dude.

          • alex35332

            Oh easily the Millenials are softer than previous. So are Gen X, Boomers, the silent generation. Do you know what the grandparents of the greatest generation thought about their grand kids. Called them soft for not fighting in trenches and using toilet paper.

            As society improves everyone gets softer.
            Heck the post millennial walk around with bubble wrap around their heads.

          • SCamp

            “Society improves”

            Not sure I agree with that characterization… but I agree with the rest of that statement.

          • alex35332

            Okay, technology may be a better term than society.

          • SCamp

            There ya go. I buy that

    • the_amazing_spiderman

      I’ll take Man Buns and Millennials for $800, Alex.

      • alex35332

        Man buns I cannot explain

        • Coach JS

          My guess is that since dad’s don’t get ticked off about long hair on boys anymore, young guys had to step up to the man bun to piss off pops. I bet it works too.

          • alex35332

            Look, guys in the 90’s had friggan pony tails. So I will say the man bun looks better than that.

          • Coach JS

            Lol. I’m not saying anything about it other than the fact that I bet it torques off dads who would otherwise not be offended by long hair.

            Heck, those same dad’s were probably guys who, like me, did have long hair at some point in the 90s. And did, sometimes, pull it back.

          • alex35332

            I mean I had longish hair my first year of college, but it was more that I didn’t want to waste beer money on a hair cut.

          • SCamp

            The man bun looks better than a pony tail?
            Okay…

          • alex35332

            Just saying, every era has it’s terrible hair styles.

          • SCamp

            Sure… but the man bun or douche knot is the worst… ever.

          • walter_in_fallschurch

            my wife has told me unequivocally, and i 100% agree, that i cannot wear a man-bun or capri pants.

          • alex35332
          • alex35332
          • alex35332
          • Coach JS

            ^ This guy would NEVER drink a craft beer. He’s from Pittsburgh, too, in case it wasn’t obvious.

          • alex35332

            He may grab a PBR but he won’t drink it ironically.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Drives an IROC

          • the_amazing_spiderman
          • Zig-Zag_BC

            NPI gets a small royalty on that.

          • Josh RosenSquinns

            LOL

          • SCamp

            I’m guessing Baltimore

          • SCamp

            I can’t, for the life of me, figure out why a certain segment of men always want to have hair that look like women.

            But to be fair… you just posted a picture of a gay mans hair… in the music business. Not exactly and accurate depiction of the country as a whole.

          • alex35332

            True. But you know that style of wavy perms was popular for a good decade regardless of who they were trying to sleep with.

          • SCamp

            I grew up in the 80’s and NEVER saw ANYONE with that hairstyle walking around in public. NEVER…

            Now the mullet on the other hand (facepalm)

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      A beard protects you from biting wind, briars, sparks, burning sun.

      • alex35332

        I just like having one because it frames the face, hides the double chin.

        • Coach JS

          Plus, it grows there. I mean, I maintain mine so I don’t look all mangy. But shaving it all the way down to nothing seems extreme to me.

          • alex35332

            Yeah, What’s the fun in that.

    • Lbsand

      I have a fairly close-trimmed beard because I hate to shave, and I pretty much had to for my 33 year career. Drag a beard trimmer through it twice a week and I’m good to go.

      • alex35332

        Same here, I go back and forth from a goatee in the summer to a full beard in the winter. Have since I was 17.

  • mike5790

    sorry if I missed it, but McDaniels does go to the Colts

    • SCamp

      Sounds like he’s playing on again off again…

      • mike5790

        ESPN reporting it as official

  • Coach JS

    It occurs to me (amid yet another name change article over at Wapo) that IF someone DID name their sports team The Cleveland Caucasians, or even the Potomac Pale Skins or Wherever White Skins or some such, and the reason that they named it that was explained, in something like this manner: “We wanted a name that represents fierceness, resilience, toughness, and all around general bad ass-ness.” I would not be offended.

    Now, if the logo was a pair of white hands holding out blankets with little green cartoon small pox germs on them, I might be.

    But if it was just a dignified profile of some white dude (or dudette, for that matter) I would think it was just fine, even kind of flattering.

    • SCamp

      I can’t bring myself to be offended by anything race related…

    • Steve Thomas

      The big picture issue is whether we, as a society, are okay or not okay with using references to a group of people as sports team names. Personally, as long as it is respectful and not intended to be an insult, I’m okay with it, but I’m not easily offended.

      The past history of treatment of Native Americans and the current status of that group on these reservations is a legit issue, and there’s no doubt that they’ve suffered quite a bit at the hands of the U.S. government. I just think that neither the name “Redskins” or the drawing of the chief’s head are insults.

      • walter_in_fallschurch

        steve,
        interesting question as to whether something is offensive because people are offended by it. there is a lot there to ponder.

        • Steve Thomas

          This is the very same issue as the NFL player flag protests, which, as I stated on both The Hog Sty and It’s Just Business, caused me to boycott the NFL for the first half of this season except for the Redskins games. Those players say that they were doing their protest in the name of social justice and not as a protest of the flag and the military, but if offensive conduct and speech is in the eye of the beholder for things like the use of racial terms and sports team names, why was it not okay for me to be offended by those national anthem protests?

          • Coach JS

            But if 9 out of 10 say it isn’t offensive, do we take the interpretation of the offended or the majority?

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Chief Offended is doing quite well with his casino. He’s got SJW friends and money for a megaphone.

          • walter_in_fallschurch

            JS,
            those poll numbers vary wildly depending on which native americans you ask and how the question is phrased. then there’s the aspect of “appropriation”. for example, i can’t say ni**er, but black people can.

          • Steve Thomas

            They do vary wildly, but I can’t recall a poll showing that a majority were offended by “Redskins”.

          • walter_in_fallschurch

            steve, here’s one:
            indian counrty today survey:
            81% offended (no distinction btwn on/off reservations).
            http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/ictarchives/2001/08/07/american-indian-opinion-leaders-american-indian-mascots-84807

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Touts Democrats in headline, yet
            “In February of 2017, Rep. Rob Wittman, R-1st, introduced H.R. 984, the Thomasina E. Jordan Indian Tribes of Virginia Federal Recognition Act of 2017. The House of Representatives passed the bill by a voice vote in May, and the Senate approved it with unanimous consent on Jan. 11 with the strong support of Senators’ Mark Warner and Tim Kaine, both former Virginia governors.”
            Ole’ Vinny is suspect.

          • Josh RosenSquinns

            Poll was conducted by the Washington Post. I’m sure they likely asked the most likely to be offended Native Americans.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            If an African American person called you the N word in general conversation, would you be offended?

          • Steve Thomas

            To me, you take the majority.

          • walter_in_fallschurch

            steve,
            so 49% is the number you are willing to offend?

          • Steve Thomas

            Well, first, the “you” is Dan Snyder. All we can do is talk about it. But there’s a difference between use of a word in speech and the use of trademarked names and symbols. The question becomes whether Dan Snyder should relinquish his multi-million dollar trademarks because a minority of people don’t like them. I say no.

          • walter_in_fallschurch

            well… you said, ” to ME, you take the majority.” i took that to mean you were talking about yourself…

            if not 49%, what percent do you think it’s ok to offend?

          • Steve Thomas

            I can’t possibly put a number on it. If I was using a term that many people told me was offensive, I’d stop using it. But that’s a world apart from an 80 year old trademarked name of an organization.

      • mike5790

        they were surprisingly treated like a conquered people

        • Steve Thomas

          Yeah, but if you want to go back, things like the Trail of Tears were unnecessarily brutal.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        If I’m Dan Snyder, I’m buying double-wides and building schools in Fort Apache, Pine Ridge, and Standing Rock. F the BIA and the train they rode in on.

        • SCamp

          It’s my understanding that Dan Snyder has made quite an impact in the Native American community… and has done so quietly

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            I specifically named those reservations for a reason.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Southside Saltines, yuge fan.

  • walter_in_fallschurch

    my wife has a really funny, and seemingly accurate, theory that people who like craft beers have beards.

    • SCamp

      …yet can’t field dress a deer or run a trotline

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Or plow a field all day long,
        catch catfish from dusk till dawn.
        Make their own whiskey and grow smoke too.
        Ain’t too many things them ole’ boys can’t do,
        And we say grace, and we say ma’am
        And if you ain’t into that, we don’t give a damn.

        • SCamp

          See… someone gets it

        • SCamp

          They CAN, however, order one HECK of a latte

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Half-caff decaf pumpkin spice mocha and caramel…..with a splash of cream?

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            That’s not even a thing, is it?
            Coffee, black.

      • mike5790

        I am not going to try to get a deer into a dress. that *sounds* kinda… really… weird

        • SCamp

          You have an ironic beard don’t you

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Mike knows what’s up, even if it was many moons ago.

          • mike5790

            kind of like Frank Beard?

  • SCamp

    Crazy volatility in the market this morning

    • HTTRsince65

      The markets have been so overdue a correction yet some in the medis think this is the end of the world. The secular Bull market has quite a few more years left due in part to solid global growth, accelerating domestic activity, capital spending improvement, and incomes that are jumping.

      • mike5790

        and technically I think they say it needs to fall another 1.5% to be formally considered a “correction”

    • alex35332

      Probably because Superbowl viewership was down.

      • mike5790

        well, generally speaking that ads stunk and the halftime show… I’m still waiting for them to work out their audio problems

        • walter_in_fallschurch

          we had a little party at our house. someone said “JT” is doing something at halftime. i was excited to see what joe theismann was going to do. instead….. we got what we got. (and the timberlake fans were happy about it.)

          the super bowl is watched by 2 entirely separate crowds: those watching the game, and those watching everything else.

      • alex35332

        Most folks bet on the Pats, have to pay their bookies, so they are selling the stocks to pay off gambling debts.

        • mike5790

          there were a handful of very large bets (7 figure) on the Eagles, maybe it’s the casinos cashing out

    • AustinSkin

      It’s kind of fun, if you’re into scalping

      • SCamp

        It’s a wild ride for sure

        • AustinSkin

          If you’re not careful, it’s easy to get whipsawed.

          • SCamp

            Emotional reactionaries have no place in the market

          • AustinSkin

            You are correct. S&P 500 Volatility Index at 43.76, up from 10. That’s crazy territory.

          • SCamp

            Almost unprecedented really. I bought a bunch of S&P yesterday… lettin’ it ride now

  • HTTRsince65

    So I asked yesterday, but then had to spend hours actually working and I missed the answer.
    Newest posts and oldest posts are self evident filters. Who determines, and how are ‘best’ posts determined.

    • kon, for now

      Upvotes

      • HTTRsince65

        i’ve seen many ‘best’ posts with 1 upvote

        • kon, for now

          That’s the average around here

        • SCamp

          Because there aren’t many upvotes here

    • alex35332

      It’s a mathematical formula, similar to how they give out supplemental draft picks.

      • HTTRsince65

        lol

  • Steve Thomas

    Finally, for today, we’ll have a new post around lunch time.

    • the_amazing_spiderman

      slackers….pfffft

      • Steve Thomas

        It’s more that I just like my Alex Smith column at the top for another few hours.

    • SCamp

      Lunchtime post?

      What’s for lunch?

      • mike5790

        Beer and Ketchup

        that’d be a good name for a podcast

        • alex35332

          I mean, there are more beer podcasts out there than skins podcasts.

          • SCamp

            More people like beer

          • alex35332

            can’t disagree with that!

          • mike5790

            wouldn’t have to be about beer or ketchup

            like say… if someone were to name a podcast Cake and Cookies

          • alex35332

            #RobbSpewakcanbeadickonFacebook

          • mike5790

            zero surprise there; because that’s who he is on the “radio”

    • HTTRsince65

      Thanks Mr. Steve

  • kon, for now

    In terms of terms

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      3 more years?

  • alex35332

    in terms of yards only: Offense 16th overall/12th passing/28th rushing | Defense 21st overall/9th passing (wait really?) / 31st rushing I am not saying they don’t need to improve the defense, it’s a need, and we were decimated with injuries last year in the front 7 more than anywhere else on the roster. But I am saying that the biggest weakness on this roster last year was that they had no premier offensive weapons outside a 3rd down back.

    Our number 1 WR finished 34th in the league didn’t even have 800 yards. Vernon Davis was 2nd on the team all the way down at 54, Grant 67th, Crowder 83rd, Doctson 85th.

  • Steve Thomas

    In terms of draft strategy, I think it’s pretty dumb to just indiscriminately draft the “best player” all the time without any regard for how that player fits into your team strategy and needs in the current year and going forward. Doing that all the time is how you end up with a roster full of holes.

    Unless you’re convinced the next Lawrence Taylor is right there waiting for you, I think the best thing to do is to develop a draft board that takes both team needs and player ratings into account to one extent or the other. I’m convinced that that’s how most teams operate. Again, don’t pass on Lawrence Taylor even if you already have, say, Preston Smith, but generally speaking, I think that’s the way to go in order to be most successful.

    • Lbsand

      Yes, ‘best’ player can be subjective. Character, injury history, interview, ‘football’ intelligence. The Full Monty.

    • mike5790

      Also, you typically roll in DL, maybe other parts of the front 7

      but you don’t do that for every position, so like we were discussing, FS, if you like who you have starting at S, it’s a real difficult decision to use a high pick on another one. it’s less of an issue for a DL.

  • Steve Thomas

    I posted this here yesterday evening, but for the benefit of the morning crowd; sorry to make a few of you read it twice:

    We put this out on Twitter, but I’ll say it here, too. Now that the season is over, we’d like to thank everyone who listened to us, read our material, or otherwise supported The Hog Sty – it was a great year for us, and that includes you guys here in the comment section. “Clickbait” aside, having these posts with all of these comments helps us, too.

    That having been said, some of you guys, generally, please try harder to limit the personal insults. Like we said before, this is a free forum where cursing is welcome, and discussion of any topic at all is welcome, but please try to limit the insults. Not just for touchy-feely reasons, but also because we want outsiders who read this stuff not to think that this is the wild, wild west here. So help us out, please.

  • noonefromtampa

    wow I just realized that 2029 isn’t far away
    =======================================
    my expiration date is some where in the 2029-2033 range given family history

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Shatter the record, reset the bar.

    • kon, for now

      Add years by, eating bacon, smoking cigars and chasing skirt.

      • noonefromtampa

        throw in excessive drinking and you have Cousin Ronnie, he lived to 40

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Free range bacon.

    • walter_in_fallschurch

      well…. hopefully you had your “mid-life crisis” 30 years ago or so.

      (that expression always cracks me up because it implies people think they will live to 100 or more…)

    • kon, for now
    • Lbsand

      August 9th, 2030: The day the music and this blog dies.

  • kon, for now

    1st round DT > 1st round WR

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    So if the best player available at 13 is a wide receiver, you take him? Even though there is a DT, a ILB, and a FS there that you absolutely need, who is deserving of a early teens pick but technically not the BPA? Nah, pass.

    • alex35332

      Depends on if we’ve grabbed a WR in free agency.

      But right with how the roster looks, I’d argue that a good WR is a bigger need than that 3rd good DT (we have 2).

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Or the best OT or OG in the draft. Or Barkley.

        • alex35332

          Barkley won’t be there.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            I’m personally for a Derwin James or Minkah Fitzpatrick type All Galaxy guy if he’s there. If Sean Taylor were on the roster I’d be singing a different tune, but he’s not.

          • Lbsand

            ^ Either of those two plus Smith would likely be the BPA at 13 for sure. Sprint to the podium. It’s about the long-term building and development of the roster, not one draft.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            While operating in overlapping 4year rookie deals, critical path, IMO.

          • Lbsand

            ^ Boom. Draft/develop/retain.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Which makes your draft BPA@PON, by default.

          • Lbsand

            ALL positions are a ‘need’. Stockpile young talent, trade excess for picks if you ever get to that point.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            🙂

          • mike5790

            I think they really like Nicholson.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            And he likes smashing his head on shit.

        • noonefromtampa

          Giants take Barkley

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Just superstar needs.

          • Lbsand

            ^ Yup, if they’re smart and Gettleman is no dummy.

      • Josh RosenSquinns

        No. If we lose any of those DT, like we did with Allen last year, our whole defense goes to shit. Take the DT and own that fucking line. Made a tremendous difference last year.

        • alex35332

          And our roster at WR last year when 100% healthy was a big flaming pile of shit coated in more shit then doused with rubbing alcohol and a few corpses to make it just the most massive pile of burning shit covered bodies.

          • Josh RosenSquinns

            We scored enough last year to win. This offense distributes the ball.

            We couldn’t stop anyone last year, run or pass. Until you stop that, you ain’t winning shit.

          • alex35332

            Once Chris Thompson went down, we didn’t score much at all. Kirk’s passing numbers went off a cliff.

          • HTTRsince65

            look at the shit for wide receivers he had, and, again, Jordan Reed? he’s always hurt it seems.

          • Josh RosenSquinns

            What was our passing offense ranked last year?

            What was our D ranked last year?

          • Lbsand

            LOL! That’s an analogy that will stick with me all week.

    • noonefromtampa

      what if Calvin Ridley is the next Julio Jones or even AJ Green

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        So now peeps that condemn first round wide receivers are calling for one……. snowball headed for hell.

        • noonefromtampa

          the argument is for BPA not specifically WR

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            BPA could be a quarterback? What then?

          • alex35332

            I mentioned that yesterday, if one of those 2 top QB’s fall to 13, Rosen or Darnold, I’d be very tempted to draft them anyway, let them sit behind Smith for a season or two to develop, then trade Smith for whatever picks we can get, go forward.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            That’s on Jay, IMO. It would be tempting.

          • alex35332

            Is it ideal for next season, no, clearly not.
            But is it ideal for the team to maybe have a QB that can be the guy from 2019-2029, yes… and wow I just realized that 2029 isn’t far away.

          • mike5790

            4 QBs are prob going in the first 6 or 7 picks

          • alex35332

            I was thinking that, but I’m starting to wonder now. 5 or 6 teams probably need QB’s but there will be at least 3 good starting QB options now in free agency.

    • HTTRsince65

      Build the fucking lines please! Damn, it’s not that hard. Look at the teams that make the playoffs..smgdh

      • the_amazing_spiderman

        ^ this! Teams that own the line of scrimmage win. This is the foundation of a championship team. First rounds are great for picking up lineman

        • HTTRsince65

          It’s not that hard a concept to grasp, yet…..

    • kon, for now

      Strictly BPA leaves a roster subject to being riddled with holes. That philosophy is a bust.

      • Lbsand

        Many ways to skin a cat. Again, BPA is subjective and has nothing to do with McShay or Kiper. A teams vision, how it wants to develop its roster. At any pick after the top 6 or so, the grades are slow close. Character counts, injury history, etc. etc. etc.

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          The definition of BPA@PON.

          • Lbsand

            LOL!

    • kon, for now

      And by the time you’re in the 5th and 6th rounds….who the hell is the BPA anyway?

      • alex35332

        I think even Scot said that after the 4th round he was usually looking to fill holes on the roster rather than go BPA.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Stroman
        The Spider
        Senat
        Dudes like that.

    • Steve Thomas

      Pass

    • skinswest

      I’d like to see them take a defender but WR looks like a pretty big need if they don’t get one in FA. You have Doctson on the outside on one side but who takes Pryor’s spot if/when he’s gone.

  • noonefromtampa

    The thing Belichick does better than most, trades later career players for a pick next year and trades back for more picks this year

    • alex35332

      Yes, picks are like gold, unless a stud falls to us at 13, I’m all for trading back.

    • noonefromtampa

      it’s called Hyperbolic discounting

      yes it is a real thing

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Yeah, we read the link you posted the other day.

        • noonefromtampa

          some of you are good learners then

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            You’re my data analysis guru.

    • Lbsand

      Never ever trade up unless you really are that one player at a glaring PON away from making a run. Plus, banking on rookies is fools gold. You won’t know what you have with a draft class until after its 2nd full season and the 2 camps.

    • btg

      He traded for Kony Ealy and cut him
      He traded for Cassius Marsh and cut him
      He traded for Dwayne Allen and he caught ten passes
      He traded for Phillip Dorsett and he caught 12 passes

      He’s doing more harm than good lately

      • noonefromtampa

        probably why the lost the Super Bowl

        Bill has lost it, fire him now!

        • btg

          Just stating facts

        • MJ45

          Traded away Garapalo and benched Butler, maybe he is losing it.

  • alex35332

    Lbsand • a few seconds ago

    Certainly not me. I’m a BPA every round/every year guy and never – ever – trade up. I just find it interesting a lot of fans say ‘grab a guy to develop in the mid rounds’ like GM’s are selecting a candy bar at 7-11.
    ———
    I think if you pressed most the people like that, myself included I could tell you exactly the guy I’d want to grab and why. None of us are scouting experts, but we all watch enough highlight film on these guys on youtube, and watch them at the Senior Bowl, ect. I suspect, at least among those up here, that they have a reason behind who they want to see drafted.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      BPA@PON

      • No Punt Intended

        BEEPY – AYE

      • alex35332

        Yes, that’s part of it.
        Backup QB/ QB of the future is a PON, Colt’s in his final year, Every QB we have is in the backend of their carrers.

        • No Punt Intended

          A backup QB might be the 2nd most important player on a roster.

          – Nick

      • kon, for now

        The new Tampax BPA@PON…for even your heaviest of days.

      • Lbsand

        Every position is a need in the draft. A perennial 7-9/8-8 team is in no position to pass on superior talent. That said, ‘BPA’ is subjective. Depends on a teams vision and how they want to build a roster.

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          That applies to your BPA@regardless as well.

    • Lbsand

      Yup, that’s half the fun! And easy for us to say. Franchise stability and vision is such a key. I’m beyond happy the Skins have moved in that direction, although I would have liked Scot to get 5 drafts and FA periods.

      • Flounder

        Scot didn’t do well with the 3 he had.

        • Lbsand

          Lots of GM’s don’t. It’s the steady ship that get’s it done over the long haul.

        • Lbsand

          3? He had ’15 and ’16, plus maybe ’17 if the Skins more-or-less used his draft board.

  • Flounder

    Kirk has never been the Prom Queen and that is what he desperately wants. He wants to be flown into each city and have the red carpet laid out for him. He wants multiple teams bidding on him and he wants to choose where he plays.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      So why would he pick Jersey? Joe was a sinner, SHAME! SHAME!

      • Flounder

        Not sure that he would but if they have they most money he might.

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Which would make everything that fucker ever said, a lie. I don’t care if he does, just don’t see it based on what has been.

    • No Punt Intended

      Kirk went to the prom but ended up in the side parlor sitting next to Mohammet, Jugdish, Sidney and Clayton.

      • Flounder

        LOL

        • No Punt Intended

          Figured you’d catch that.

    • alex35332

      Well hope he has fun when they roll out the red carpet in Cleveland.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT6Q6XRqu5I

  • kon, for now

    Must be a day that ends in y

    I know this because, peeps are talking about that guy who’s not our starting QB

  • noonefromtampa

    They only way a Cousins trade works at this point is if the other team can convince him to sign a tag and trade deal, so they can avoid him being on the open market

    who can throw enough money his way to do that? J-E-T-S

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Don’t see Kirk wanting to be a JET.

      • No Punt Intended

        Why not? Isn’t the OC there someone who runs a lot of what Shanny did? Actually called plays for Shanny in Denver.

        • noonefromtampa

          Yes Jets offense would be a good fit for him

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Just don’t see it.

        • Flounder

          Yes

    • Josh RosenSquinns

      And KC would have to know that that’s the best he would get in FA. That’s the problem, he wants to set his value in FA. Signing early could reduce the number of competing offers.

      • Josh RosenSquinns

        I just don’t see any incentive for KC to agree to a sign and trade.

        • Flounder

          Me either and I doubt the Redskins are doing anymore then keeping it as an option. The media has blown this way out of whack but what else is new.

    • Flounder

      It could help one of the teams get Kirk but it’s not FA’s and that is what Kirk wants.

      • noonefromtampa

        There is a risk to Kirk that if some team tries to sign him before FA and they make a fair market value offer and he turns them down, GMs could see that as a negative sign and cause them to back off and he ends up shooting himself in the foot

        • Flounder

          True

          • noonefromtampa

            unless the team is the Browns and then Kirk get rewarded for smart thinking

            LOL

    • the_amazing_spiderman
  • Lbsand

    It really doesn’t matter when or where you obtain the young QB to groom or even be the day 1 starter. All that counts is you get the RIGHT guy. Grabbing a JAG in the 4th is grabbing a JAG in the 4th. If the value is there, fine.

    • Flounder

      The two guys that just played in the SB were 3rd and 6th round picks.

      • Lbsand

        Yup. And I can name you 40 jags. Plus I believe 90% of the peeps up here were calling Foles garbage. The point is, don’t just take a QB to take a QB. It rarely works out.

        • Flounder

          Agreed but there are plenty of Jags in the 1st round also,.

          • Lbsand

            Indeed, it’s such a hard position to forecast.

    • alex35332

      Yes it has to be the right guy but the value in grabbing a rookie in the draft to groom is in the contracts. That kid you draft in the 6th, 5th wherever is gonna make 1/2 a million a year while being groomed to be a backup, where a free agent you may bring in will be asking for more.

      • alex35332

        BTW who would advocate drafting someone the team doesn’t believe in? Regardless of position. You have to have scouted the person.

        • Lbsand

          Certainly not me. I’m a BPA every round/every year guy and never – ever – trade up. I just find it interesting a lot of fans say ‘grab a guy to develop in the mid rounds’ like GM’s are selecting a candy bar at 7-11.

  • Zig-Zag_BC
    • btg

      Ha
      Bunch of Pat’s fans would shart themselves after seeing that

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Spread it around

        • No Punt Intended

          The shart?

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            No, if one wishes to spread that, it would preferably be a dry one.

  • MJ45

    Redskins could try to trade Kirk Cousins, but here’s how he can fight back

    https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/redskins-could-try-to-trade-kirk-cousins-but-heres-how-he-can-fight-back/

    • Flounder

      I doubt it happens just filling media space since they have nothing else to talk about.

  • the_amazing_spiderman

    Gronks house got robbed. ESPN is reporting…
    http://es.pn/2E6mrk8

    • MJ45

      I would assume it was easy to determine he wouldn’t be home this past Sunday evening.

      • the_amazing_spiderman

        Maybe it was for not catching the Hail Mary.

        • MJ45

          From what I read about pats fans being pissed at BB for not playing Butler he should have his house robbed.

          • walter_in_fallschurch

            i DO enjoy the idea of pats* fan being mad at possibly the best coach ever.

    • alex35332

      Remember way back when, Cooley was out in Wyoming and someone kept trying to case his house to see if they could rob him, Cooley’s uncle was living there and took a photo of the car and the plate, posted it on their website.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        That was you!??? No shit!

        • alex35332

          I mean, I was a big Cooley Fan Boy at the time… but I didn’t own a car.

  • walter_in_fallschurch

    how long do we expect alex smith to play? injury history? can we get 3 years out of him? do we draft his replacement this year or next? or after that?

    • No Punt Intended

      My belief is that his 5 year deal is in all reality a 3 year deal. I would still take a QB this season beyond round 2 and keep Colt in the stable.

      • Back to the good ol daysBruce

        ^this

      • Different_Cat

        So you’re boldly assuming it’s like every other NFL contract ever?

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          It’s what intergalactic pussy slayers do…..

      • HTTRQGC

        Beyond round 2 would be rd 4 and up. Gave up tbe 3rd. I can see them passing on a Wilson or Rothlesberger again tho …

        • HTTRQGC

          Lauletta looks like Garrapolo. If they all gone draft him w 2nd pick….security.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Who cares who he looks like, he moves like Drew Brees.

          • HTTRQGC

            Looks like potential. Moxy.

          • HTTRQGC

            Screw stats.

          • HTTRQGC

            No matter the D…Gotta close out. Never get to SB otherwise.

          • walter_in_fallschurch

            i think “screw stats” are rather personal and may not be indicative of QB potential.

          • Josh RosenSquinns

            Winners go home and screw the Prom Queen. Completely relevant. Has the QB got game?

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            I believe he does, even though he’s a Richmond Spider.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Granted all I’ve seen of him is the senior bowl.

    • HTTRQGC

      Trade up for Mayfield and throw Kirk and Smith in…3 team deal !!

      • walter_in_fallschurch

        regardless of whether we want him, would we really need to trade up for mayfield?

        • HTTRQGC

          Yea cuz McC entered the picture… we got 2 QBs ‘wanted’ !

    • btg

      He’s 33
      Given how qbs have been going lately three years is easy

    • mike5790

      the issue with taking a QB this year is that he would have a 4 year rookie deal, so if Smith plays 2 years and then rides shotgun year 3, you only have the guy under contract 1 year before he (OR SHE) is looking for an extension, 2 before they need to be Franchise Tagged. I mean, it worked for A Rodgers. So it is possible, but I think they wait a year. Might take a QB late as a developmental prospect but not a presumptive starter type draft pick.

      • walter_in_fallschurch

        that’s kinda my point. you can’t draft the replacement too early. but, how long does smith play? there’s a sweet spot somewhere.

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          k0n broke the 8-ball, short answer, we have no idea.

          • mike5790

            let’s get an 8-ball, it’ll last us all weekend
            *smash cut, few hours later*
            rrreer wwwwerrrrreee LET’S GET ANOTHER 8-ball!!! rrrrrrr wwwwwwww

            -D Leary

      • Different_Cat

        Yep, I agree. Might take a late round QB anyway, looking for a long-term back up. And if he turns out to be starter caliber, that’s a lucky break.

    • Josh RosenSquinns

      We used our third rounder on a QB this year. Let’s wait til next year, unless its a late rounder.

      • alex35332

        I think you have to have someone in the pipeline that you draft this season. The economics of the NFL, if you don’t have 1 QB on a rookie deal that you’re coaching up, then you are doing things wrong.

    • alex35332

      If he’s healthy he could go all 4 years. But then he could get a bad hit and be done after 1 snap.

  • btg

    Wif, there’s a dunks every 300 yards
    In my town alone there are probably ten of them

    NPI, there is nothing to substantiate the rumors about still tagging KC
    Zero worries on that

  • No Punt Intended

    It strikes me as utterly hilarious that the Washington Redskins, relative to the notion they might try to pull off some sort of sign-and-trade with/for Kirk Cousins, are efforting to show how strategic they are now, when they have been shitting the bed for the last 2 years (some say 3) when dealing with Kirk.

    It’s so “Redskins Front Office” for this team to think they can still manage to pull off some incredible deal for a 1st or a 2nd round pick and maybe a 3rd (we gave a 3rd and a starter for ASmith).

    S T U P I D

    Redskins need to move on, take their medicine and do NOT tag Kirk in any form or fashion because if Kirk does not sign his tag, we cannot do a cot damn thing in free agency because at least 28 million would be tied up.

    If this team dicks around trying shit like this and we lose Zack Brown………..I’m buying a fucking pitchfork and I’ll be at Ashburn HQ and I won’t be wearing a mask (Want BA to see a man with better hair). Book that shit.

    • walter_in_fallschurch

      any talk of getting anything for kirk is just pipe dreams and ass-covering. what a total mishandling of the situation by the skins.

      • HTTRQGC

        Panicked

    • DC-Dan

      I’ll be right there with you. This franchise is like that family member who just won’t get their shit together. At some point you gotta slap em around

    • mike5790

      that’s not how it would work. it would all be worked out before Free Agency or he doesn’t get tagged, or they revoke the tag

      • mike5790

        1. Kirk gets to negotiate (with permission) early, before more dominoes start to fall
        2. The Redskins get some minor compensation, but prob not much more than a hypothetical compensatory pick they’d get if they did almost nothing in FA but lose Kirk. The value that some club would find in getting this done before FA in the same way the Skins did with KC for Smith.

        • the_amazing_spiderman

          Just when I thought the Front Office couldn’t get any dumber, they go and do something like this… AND totally redeem themselves!

        • Josh RosenSquinns

          Again, there is absolutely no incentive for KC to do this. If he gets tagged, he signs it and completely fucks the Redskins.

          Deal would have to be worked out BEFORE he is tagged, and no way that’s going to happen; KC wants to hit FA and this could limit his potential offers.

  • HTTRsince65

    I like dunkin donuts coffee better than starbucks

    • walter_in_fallschurch

      i like krispy kreme doughnuts better than dunkin donuts doughnuts.

    • walter_in_fallschurch

      i have family up in the boston area. there is a dunkin donuts store every 500 yards, it seems.

    • mike5790

      coffee good for you
      donuts: worse than Hitler smoking 3 packs a day while injecting methamphetamine

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      They put pancake syrup in it.

    • No Punt Intended

      Wawa
      Dunkin
      7/11
      Exxon
      Office coffee maker
      Starbucks

      • the_amazing_spiderman

        You forgot poison. Poison before Starbucks

  • walter_in_fallschurch

    what a disappointing winter, so far.

  • HTTRQGC

    Brian@skinsgo46. On twitter..
    This dude was the biggest Kirk fan I know of (non media). He is ripping Kirk and NBCredskins etc last nite and this am. Funny.

    Replies to Kirk… Why not hometown discount ?? Lol
    Says Kirk is ‘all lies’…lol this dude is a trip.
    “Alex isnt going to do jack in 4 years”. Lol

    Dude is on a tear….Lol

    • HTTRQGC

      Gotta get Mayfield for this fan…!

      • mike5790

        7th round: Tanner Lee

        • HTTRQGC

          Kirk wasnt LTD’d for a reason…lol

          • HTTRQGC

            Big trades still to come too ! Lol

    • walter_in_fallschurch

      who is “kirk”?

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        An intergalactic pussy slayer

      • HTTRQGC

        The guy Mayfield replacing….

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    So GIFs don’t work as avatars

  • HTTRsince65
  • HTTRsince65

    Happy Tuesday!

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Hpy Hpy

      • AustinSkin

        Heyooo

  • kon, for now

    Here’s to a better day than whatever that nonsense was yesterday

    And now….coffee

  • SCamp

    Night kids

  • SCamp
    • Different_Cat

      She’s a trip. Must have 200 of those whack cowboy hats.

      • SCamp

        Looks like someone baked a cake on her face she wears so much makeup

  • SCamp

    Non partisan question…

    what is wrong with Schiff’s eyes? He always looks like he’s about go on a psychopathic rampage

  • AustinSkin

    Asian stocks down sharply. Not like that’s any surprise.

    Dow futures currently at 23352, and continuing to fall

  • SCamp

    Here you go D_C:

    Tranny (or trannie) is a derogatory and offensive slang term for a transgender, transsexual, transvestite, or cross-dressing person.[1][2] During the early 2010s, there was confusion and debate over whether the term was a pejorative, or was still considered acceptable, or even a reappropriated term of unity and pride. By 2017, the word was banned by several major media stylebooks and considered hate speech by Facebook.

    ___________________________________

    I have a few friends that live this…er… for lack of a better term… lifestyle… mostly they think this is akin to calling a gay persona F%$ or a Black person the N word. Black people can call each other the N word… others can’t. Apparently it’s the same in the trans-world

  • noonefromtampa

    RIP
    John Mahoney, beloved dad Martin Crane on ‘Frasier,’ dies at 77

  • Zig-Zag_BC
  • Zig-Zag_BC
  • Zig-Zag_BC
  • Zig-Zag_BC
  • SCamp

    Slow night

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    Higson (Wolfpack) yellow card for “swinging arm”, punching a ball carrier in the face with your forearm.

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    They figh’n they figh’n!

  • Big Buck64

    WTF

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      WTF

      • No Punt Intended

        FTW

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          AYE

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Hey Buck….hey..hey..hey Buck

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    Leigh Centurions vs. Toronto Wolfpack
    I don’t know shit about these two teams but they evidently hate each other. Very chippy. Should be a good match.
    Centurions up early with two tries and kicks 12 – nil

  • SCamp

    Different_Cat No Punt Intended • an hour ago
    She looks like a Tranny, which is why NPI is attracted to her.

    ____________________

    Tranny…

    Just remember, minority groups, this is how liberals ACTUALLY see you until voting season.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Ooooooo

      • SCamp

        Aaaaaaaah

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Ooooooo

          • No Punt Intended

            Ahhhhh!

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Ooooooo

          • No Punt Intended

            ….let-me-clear-my-throat!

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOMMMMMMMM

    • No Punt Intended

      When I say ooo, you say ahhhhh…..

    • Different_Cat

      Slang for transvestite. So?

      • SCamp

        Tranny (or trannie) is a derogatory and offensive slang term for a transgender, transsexual, transvestite, or cross-dressing person.[1][2] During the early 2010s, there was confusion and debate over whether the term was a pejorative, or was still considered acceptable, or even a reappropriated term of unity and pride. By 2017, the word was banned by several major media stylebooks and considered hate speech by Facebook.

  • Rick Deez

    Ann Coulter looks like Nick Foles.

    • SCamp

      She is part human part giraffe

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    Blubblubbblubblubbloogahblubblahblahblahblah

    • the_amazing_spiderman

      yes, I agree

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        I ordered a yoga ball and it’s all your fault!

    • SCamp

      DILLY DILLY!

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Dilly Dilly

        • No Punt Intended

          Philly Philly!

  • Different_Cat
  • Different_Cat

    Just read that VTech’s Tremaine Edmunds is only 19 years old. Likely top 10 pick.

    • alex35332

      19? And already eligible? Cool

  • SCamp

    Ian Rapoport‏Verified account @RapSheet · 9m9 minutes ago

     More

    The #Raiders have released CB David Amerson, who signed a 4-year, $38M extension before the 2016 season. He earned almost $13M of it.

  • Different_Cat
    • HTTRsince65

      Watson is so much better and so different than Griffin it’s night and day.

      • Different_Cat

        He hasn’t even played half a season so far.

        • HTTRsince65

          Wait and see, you might want to tear that Bobby Griffin poster down off the wall to make room for Watson

          • Different_Cat

            I like him a lot. But … 7 games.

          • HTTRsince65

            You are correct about that but Watson can actually read a defense

  • noonefromtampa

    Payne getting popular for us

    Site #13
    ESPN – Kiper Baker Mayfield, QB, Oklahoma
    nfl.com – Jeremiah Baker Mayfield, QB, Oklahoma
    B/R – Roling Calvin Ridley, WR, Alabama
    Justin Rogers Calvin Ridley, WR, Alabama
    Landof10.com Calvin Ridley, WR, Alabama
    B/R – Miller Da’Ron Payne, DT, Alabama
    Sports Day Da’Ron Payne, DT, Alabama
    nfldraftscout.com – Brugler Da’Ron Payne, DT, Alabama
    SB Nation – Clintclearwater Da’Ron Payne, DT, Alabama
    SBNation – Kadar Da’Ron Payne, DT, Alabama
    Walter Football Da’Ron Payne, DT, Alabama
    B/R – Sobleski Derwin James, S, Florida State
    Draft Wire Derwin James, S, Florida State
    Pro Football Focus James Washington, WR, Oklahoma State
    nfl.com – Brooks Josh Allen, QB, Wyoming
    Hogs Haven – Tyler Roquan Smith, ILB, Georgia
    Sporting News Roquan Smith, ILB, Georgia
    CBS Sports Tremaine Edmunds, OLB, Virginia Tech
    San Diego Union-Tribune Tremaine Edmunds, OLB, Virginia Tech
    B/R – McCrystal Vita Vea, DT, Washington
    nfl.com – Zierlein Vita Vea, DT, Washington

    • Lbsand

      Ridley?!? Not in a thousand years at 13. Now, if James is there, that would be interesting.

    • alex35332

      Like the concept, need to date when they made these calls

  • Different_Cat
  • Big Buck64

    It’s a long wait between here and the last of August .

  • Flounder

    HTTRsince65 • an hour ago
    So I’m looking forward to seeing how Alex Smith is going to get us where we need to be And again I said earlier I don’t care if it was flounder at quarterback as long as he wins. Build the lines build the lines build the lines at a stud running back maybe in free agency if we can’t draft one of the top ones. HTTR!
    _________________________________________________________________________________________
    I like the sound of that.

    • Big Buck64

      Can you hit the fade route ?

    • Lbsand

      Flounder!!! ELECTRIFYING!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Flounder

    Raiders Cut David Amerson

    • WHY3

      Hey, we happen to have a spot open at CB…

    • SCamp

      Scamped

  • SCamp

    Pete Thamel‏Verified account
    @PeteThamel

    Follow Follow @PeteThamel

     More

    Source: Defensive line coach Paul Pasqualoni is leaving Boston College for the Lions.

  • Big Buck64

    Where at Twitter is all the dust up taking place ?

    • SCamp

      What dust up?

      • Big Buck64

        IDK , read some bits and pieces about an earlier twitter feud. You were front and center .

        • SCamp

          You won’t find it… Kelly deleted it and blocked me. It really wasn’t even much of a dust up.

    • Lbsand

      What’s ‘Twitter’?

      • Big Buck64

        I think it has something to do with the interweb

        • Lbsand

          From what I can tell, it’s a social media tool used by tools to prove they’re a tool.

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          I know a the twitters, okay

  • SCamp

    Nick Fairley cut

    • Different_Cat

      Missed the year with injury, didn’t he?

      • SCamp

        Yea… heart condition

        • Different_Cat

          Oooo, that doesn’t sound very tempting.

          • SCamp

            Sure doesn’t… it’s actually why they cut him

  • SCamp

    Oooohhhh… David Amerson was just cut

    • Lbsand

      Cue d_c and his stats…

      • No Punt Intended

        He’s better than Norman.

        – D_C

      • Different_Cat

        Ha! I was the first one to say he wasn’t very good when he was still with the Redskins. Y’all were like, “dude, you crazy!” lol

        • SCamp

          Who is this “y’all” you speak of? He’s one of the guys I always said was junk… him, Laron Landry, and Rambo

          • Different_Cat

            Not y’all I guess. I remember bickering with Kelly about him and I don’t recall anyone else saying he was trash.

          • SCamp

            Junk… pure garbage… and a whiner

    • Big Buck64

      Not surprising . New sheriff in town.

      • SCamp

        That and he’s junk

  • HTTRsince65

    So I’m looking forward to seeing how Alex Smith is going to get us where we need to be And again I said earlier I don’t care if it was flounder at quarterback as long as he wins. Build the lines build the lines build the lines at a stud running back maybe in free agency if we can’t draft one of the top ones. HTTR!

    • noonefromtampa

      outside of Le’Veon Bell, who I don’t think the Steelers let go, do you consider to a stud RB available in FA?

      • noonefromtampa

        IMHO you stand a better chance or getting a stud OL or WR than a RB in FA

        • Lbsand

          And most NFL UFA RB’s that are/were any good will be high mileage. I’d much prefer drafting RB’s.

          • SCamp

            We’ve done a great job of that

          • Lbsand

            LOL.

        • Steve Thomas

          I think they need to spend a high draft pick on a RB. I agree that they probably won’t find one good enough in free agency.

        • HTTRsince65

          Probably

      • SCamp

        Isn’t Adrian Peterson available…

        click…click… click…

  • noonefromtampa

    Ha ha! You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders – the most famous of which is “never get involved in a land war in Asia” – but only slightly less well-known is this: “Never go in against Different_Cat when math is on the line”! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

    • No Punt Intended

      I can vividly envision what that twerp D_C is like in person when he is getting owned and can’t scramble to google a hand-picked link or blurb that serves only to perpetuate his own narrative and simply stares at you for a full 3 seconds before saying, “NUH UHHHHHHHHHHHH!”

      Book that shit.

  • noonefromtampa

    wow today’s volume was 714,449,396 almost double the normal daily volume, everything is running a little late today

    but hey we made $14m+ today

    • SCamp

      Who’s this “we” you speak of

      • noonefromtampa

        company where I work

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    Mr. Steve! D_C isn’t listening!

  • Different_Cat

    SCamp Different_Cat • 7 minutes ago
    111.11111111% Isn’t 150%

    It’s significantly less

    Here, try this…

    https://percentagecalculato
    ——————————————–
    Let’s at least get the facts straight, here.

    The Dow hit a low of about 6,600 in March of 2009. On Obama’s last day in office it was at 19,800. So it increased 19,800 – 6600 = 13,200 points. That is an increase of exactly 200%. If you start from Obama’s first day, instead of the market low, then it’s about 150%.

    • SCamp

      The discussion was, and always has been, since the day Trump was elected. When you move the goalpost to benefit your guy… you lose credibility in your argument.

      Having said that… I’ve lost interest

      • Different_Cat

        You seem to have been having a separate discussion from everyone else, because the rest of us were comparing Trump’s economic performance to Obama’s.

        • SCamp

          *Yawn*

          Is it dinner time yet?

          • Different_Cat

            Translation: I made a fool of myself and it’s so boring.

          • SCamp

            Since you insist on persisting… here is your comment that started it. Clearly you were referring to the stock market… I mean, when your words are right there it’s not hard to keep your story straight

            Different_Cat • an hour ago

            1,175 points, for a one-day drop of 4.6%. Seeing as how often Trump has taken credit for market highs, I’m sure he’ll be apologizing for this massive drop.

          • Different_Cat

            Yep, that’s how it started. And then it went on from there, with NPI claiming that Trump was responsible for this remarkable turnaround, and me pointing out that the turnaround started 9 years ago.

          • SCamp

            Nice try… every discussion was about points and percentages of the stock market…

            You can try to change the narrative… but it’s right there in black and white

            Or in this case Burgundy and White

          • Different_Cat

            Yes, still is. But not just under Trump. I don’t even know how you could pretend it was.

          • SCamp

            I never made the argument that there was no growth under Obama… that was NPI. I gave Obama credit for 111.111% Stock market growth from the time he was inaugurated until Trump was. That’s growth. I’m not a denyer

    • No Punt Intended

      Talk about how the economy grew at such a slow rate during those 8 years that we were literally just outside the threshold of a recession.

      Can you?

    • Josh RosenSquinns

      You do not start with a base of 6,600. When he took office, the DOW was at 8,000. So the marked goes down drastically in his first couple months and you just ignore that?

      • Different_Cat

        I mentioned both landmarks, although I think it would be extremely unfair to credit Obama with the tail end of the market crash that he inherited. Just like it’s unfair to credit Trump with the bull market that HE inherited.

      • SCamp

        Just let it go… it’s a typical D_C attempt to make his guy look as good as possible, however transparently, while making anyone backed by the right look as bad as possible.

        • SCamp

          See… told you. All bad things right, all good things left.

        • Different_Cat

          Nope, I actually started out with the bigger number, when I said that the markets were up 150% from Obama’s inauguration. Then I added that it’s 200% from the market low. And you seemingly pulling numbers out of thin air for no apparent reason.

          • SCamp

            AHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!

          • Different_Cat

            My reaction too! 111.111111% BWHAHAHAHA!!!

          • SCamp

            I know… you think 9000-19000 is 250%. Pretty funny indeed.

          • Different_Cat

            Ah, now you’re picking on the equivalent of a typo, so you know it’s not going well.

          • SCamp

            Yea… sure thing D_C.

          • No Punt Intended

            Typo?

            HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

            – Math

  • Steve Thomas

    We just put this out on Twitter, but I’ll say it here, too. Now that the season is over, we’d like to thank everyone who listened to us, read our material, or otherwise supported The Hog Sty – it was a great year for us, and that includes you guys here in the comment section. “Clickbait” aside, having these posts with all of these comments helps us, too.

    • Steve Thomas

      That having been said, some of you guys, generally, please try harder to limit the personal insults. Like we said before, this is a free forum where cursing is welcome, and discussion of any topic at all is welcome, but please try to limit the insults. Not just for touchy-feely reasons, but also because we want outsiders who read this stuff not to think that this is the wild, wild west here. So help us out, please.

      • SCamp

        Mea Culpa mi hermano

      • No Punt Intended

        Why don’t you just tell people to quit with the political whining?

        Every.
        Single.
        Fucking.
        Day.

        Especially the delusional crap; which is most of it anyway.

        • Steve Thomas

          If it continues to be bad, we’ll do something about it. We made a decision not to censor ideas, but if we get tired of it, we’ll re-evaluate. I don’t monitor this thing all the time, obviously, and neither does Alex, Sean, or Jamual, but I personally do get tired of heating political talk on a football site. Some boards like ours prohibit political talk for that reason.

          So let it go for awhile and we’ll see.

          • SCamp

            (Alex does… and Twitter)

          • Steve Thomas

            It’s mostly me on Twitter during the week. Not exclusively, but primarily.

          • SCamp

            Secretly I think you enjoy hearing the Trump whiners. I think it makes you grin to yourself…

            …and that’s okay

      • the_amazing_spiderman

        No problem, we will keep this place rocking!
        https://media.giphy.com/media/11y73dl7ixVR3G/giphy.gif

        • Steve Thomas

          Lovely image.

          • AustinSkin

            When Spiderman swallows bubble gum?

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Roger that.
        I think the only person I’ve personally insulted on here is Greg, and FWIW, the deal had just broke and I was having a high flow day.
        Anybody else that feels I have insulted them is obviously a bandwagoneer and is not trustworthy.

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          PS, Greg…. I’m so sorry for calling you that terrible name. Please find it in your heart to forgive me.
          Your friend, BC

        • SCamp

          They make pads for those high flow days

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            I was in a bind, ok!!!!!

          • SCamp

            That’ll do it

      • Big Buck64

        I’ll keep that in mind the next time somebody attempts to belittle me over a basic FB post . Not making any promises .

  • noonefromtampa

    Draft order as known so far

    1 Browns 0-16
    2 Giants 3-13
    3 Colts 4-12
    4 Browns (from Texans) 4-12
    5 Broncos 5-11
    6 Jets 5-11
    7 Buccaneers 5-11
    8 Bears 5-11
    9 or 10 49ers 6-10 (coin flip)
    9 or 10 Raiders 6-10 (coin flip)
    11 Dolphins 6-10
    12 Bengals 7-9
    13 Washington 7-9
    14 Packers 7-9
    15 Cardinals 8-8
    16 Ravens 9-7
    17 Chargers 9-7
    18 Seahawks 9-7
    19 Cowboys 9-7
    20 Lions 9-7
    21 Bills 9-7
    22 Bills (from Chiefs) 9-7
    23 Rams 11-5
    24 Panthers 11-5
    25 Titans 9-7
    26 Falcons 10-6
    27 Saints 11-5
    28 Steelers 13-3
    29 Jaguars 10-6
    30 Vikings 13-3
    31 Patriots 13-3
    32 Eagles 13-3

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    Who is Math and is he worth taking at 13?

    • SCamp

      For someone he’s worth taking first overall.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Is he 111% better than the next guy?

        • SCamp

          Nope… 250% better

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Damn, I say we get him

          • No Punt Intended

            Don’t forget the compound interest.

  • noonefromtampa

    Bengals, Bills, Browns, Cardinals, Chargers, Falcons, Jags, Lions, Panthers, Texans, Titans and Vikings

    still have not won a Super Bowl

    now known as the Unlucky Dozen

    • the_amazing_spiderman

      Yup, and the NFC East is the first division to have each team with at least one Lombardi Trophy

      • SCamp

        Unless you count Arizona who was part of the NFC East for years…

        • the_amazing_spiderman

          yea, not counting the original 3 divisions. but that is true

  • SCamp

    I so hope the Pats fire Bill Bellichick… and Dan Snyder swoops in

    • No Punt Intended

      Or they make a run at Cousins.

    • the_amazing_spiderman

      this was last time Brady/NE goes to the Super Bowl. Gronk might retire, both D/O Coordinators are leaving, traded away Jimmy G., Malcom Butler is gone. Sure they have survived these kinds of things before, but I believe their ju-ju has finally run out.

      • Josh RosenSquinns

        McDaniels renegged on Indy. Staying in NE.

        • SCamp

          SHOCKING!!!!

          • Josh RosenSquinns

            Probably been promised the the HC gig when it becomes available (some short timeframe – I would think 2 years at the most).

        • the_amazing_spiderman

          So maybe then Belichick will get fired and McDaniels will take over?

          • Josh RosenSquinns

            Not sure its this year. My guess is that within two years.

      • skinswest

        That Butler story is strange. The Patriot way I guess but to wait until just before game time is pretty cold. Especially weird as they practiced with him on defense leading up to the game.

  • Different_Cat

    AustinSkin • an hour ago
    Trump is rambling about the economy, and the Dow has dropped as much as 800 points
    ——————
    1,175 points, for a one-day drop of 4.6%. Seeing as how often Trump has taken credit for market highs, I’m sure he’ll be apologizing for this massive drop.

    • SCamp

      The real question is…

      does he take credit for Alex Smith coming to DC?

      • alex35332

        He will trade the Redskins for Alex Smith when he is the owner of the XFL’s expansion Washington America-F-Ya’s in 2020.

        • SCamp

          You sure that’s the name?

          I’m pretty sure it’s the DC Mexican Walls

    • No Punt Intended

      Apologize for all of the reaping of profits?

      How do the last 12 months look compared to when Obama had us hovering just outside the threshold of a recession for 8 years?

      • Different_Cat

        Apologize for the huge one-day drop. You know, since he claims to be responsible for the markets.

        How does Trump’s one year look compared to Obama’s 8, economically? It looks very much like a natural extension of a sustained stock market and employment recovery that started in 2009. Markets accelerated a wee bit above the linear regression line, probably in anticipation of the tax cuts, but that’s a blip relatively speaking.

        • No Punt Intended

          And the Rams’ success this season was because of Jeff Fisher.

          God you’re dumb.

          • Different_Cat

            You really are an idiot if you buy into any of this. Coaches obviously have a very tight relationship to wins and losses while they are in control. Presidents have very little impact on stock markets in general, and almost no impact over the short term. Economics 1 (that much earlier than Economics 101).

          • No Punt Intended

            This one did when he was elected based on what he promised to do and then it took off like a rocket when he slashed the corporate tax rate and started killing off business choking regulations.

            You actually know this, you just don’t want to believe it.

          • Different_Cat

            Again, the reality is that markets have been rising sharply since March of 2009. I’ll credit Trump with a slight uptick due to the tax giveaway, but the continued rise is essentially a result of global economic expansion. How do we know this? Foreign markets are rising at about the same rate as ours.

          • No Punt Intended

            You are laughably insane.

            I mean, how do you make it through a day without killing yourself?

          • AustinSkin

            Actually, foreign markets have been performing better than the US markets.

          • Different_Cat

            I know, but I didn’t want to cause someone’s tiny mind to short circuit.

        • SCamp

          Well… it’s more than a 1 day huge drop…

          …but the market is still up substantially since he took office.

          Also, market was up about 10,000 from the time Obama got elected until Trump did…

          It’s up half that in just over one year since Trump was elected.

          • Different_Cat

            The total point increase is meaningless. It’s the percentage increase that matters. Markets were up about 250% under Obama. So far under Trump it’s about 25%.

          • No Punt Intended

            D_C and math and shit.

            Freaking dunce.

          • SCamp

            I’ve always said anyone can cherry pick a stat to fit their narrative.

            Thanks for proving that

          • Josh RosenSquinns

            To be fair, just picking whole numbers without a percentage relationship is just cherry picking another stat.

          • SCamp

            Indeed it is

          • SCamp

            Here’s a question for you… what percentage increase would you assign going from 9000-19000?

          • Josh RosenSquinns

            Slightly over 100%….

          • SCamp

            Oh… so not 250% as D_C claimed?

            Forgive me if I don’t buy his narrative

          • Different_Cat

            My bad, it was actually at 150% increase — not 250% — between the 2009 market low and the high in January 2017 when Obama left office. Which is still 6X the increase that we’ve experienced under Trump.

          • No Punt Intended

            You and math and shit.

          • Different_Cat

            Can’t deny it.

          • SCamp

            …In 8 x the amount of time

          • Different_Cat

            Yes, absolutely. And if markets keep rising like they have been for the next 3 years — let alone 7 years if Trump is reelected … it will be quite astonishing.

          • SCamp

            God help us…

          • Josh RosenSquinns

            You do not start at the market low in 2009 IF that low came AFTER he took office. You start on the day he was inaugurated (which does work out to 150%).

          • AustinSkin

            Obama was inaugurated in January 2009 and the market was tanking. It hit its low in March 2009 at around 6450.

          • Josh RosenSquinns

            Dude, so the market tanked while he was in office and he gets credit for that percentage rise?

            No. Markets closed at about 8,000 on his inauguration date. That’s your starting base.

          • SCamp

            The start for this argument was “when The Donald got elected.” You stated it yourself the day he was elected. You screamed “GET OUT OF THE MARKET NOW. DONALD IS GONNA TANK IT.”

            Can’t change the start point for your guy as the “low point” if they can’t change the end point for their guy.

          • AustinSkin

            Fair enough. For the sake of everyone, I’m glad we have seen the economy chug in the right direction for the past 9 years. And this little blip doesn’t concern me.

          • No Punt Intended

            Just outside a recession for the last 8 years.

            I mean, you understand that right?

          • SCamp

            It shouldn’t concern anyone… corrections are a normal course of business. Largest single day drop point wise.. barely top 10 percentage wise… if even that

          • AustinSkin

            It will be interesting to see how the Asian markets react tonight. Usually, when Wall Street sneezes, Asia catches a cold. There could be continued selling pressure until the cycle is exhausted.

          • Different_Cat

            It’s completely meaningless to cite raw increases without considering rate of increase. Literally no one who knows anything about markets would do that if they weren’t trying to be deceptive.

          • SCamp

            It’s 250% right?

            Or are you retarded?

          • No Punt Intended

            He’s retarded but he can’t count to potato.

            So even the retards own him.

          • Josh RosenSquinns

            Even using the most generous numbers, started at about 8,000; rose to about 19,800. Almost a $150% increase.

          • SCamp

            That’s close to 250% right?

            Also, an average person with a 401 K is looking at his account and is going… huh, I made $10000 in 8 years… that’s pretty nice.

            Then I made $5000 in one year… that’s REALLY nice.

            Use whatever stat you want… just get it right.

          • Different_Cat

            Okay, let’s look at it the way it is, instead of you just pulling numbers out of your butt.

            If you had 10k in the market in March 2009 then it was worth about $25K when Obama left office.

            If you started with the same $10K when Trump took over, it’s worth about $12.5K now.

          • SCamp

            So, let’s do it your way… but use actual real numbers. If you had $10,000 in the market when Obama was elected… after 8 years you would have $21,111. If you had $10,000 when Trump was elected, after 8 years you would have $30,000

          • Different_Cat

            No, it’s 150%, but according to some retards percentage gain doesn’t actually matter.

          • SCamp

            So it’s not 250%?

            Okay… cause you said it’s 250%

            (and it’s not %150 either… it’s less)

          • No Punt Intended

            math

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Who?

          • No Punt Intended

            ^ Superb Owl?

          • Different_Cat

            Yes, I corrected myself. And it was 150%, mas o menos a few percent.

          • SCamp

            111.11111111% Isn’t 150%

            It’s significantly less

            Here, try this…

            https://percentagecalculator.net/

          • Different_Cat

            You proved it yourself, SCamp. I put it in proper context. Or maybe you just don’t understand how markets work, I don’t know.

      • Different_Cat
  • No Punt Intended

    Last 2 Super Bowls have been pretty damn good.

    • HTTRsince65

      Super even!

    • Josh RosenSquinns

      Almost as good as a Superb Owl.

  • HTTRsince65

    The newest and oldest are self explanatory. How and under what criteria are the “Best” determined?

    • SCamp

      Probably most “likes”

      • HTTRsince65

        That’s what I thought until I looked and saw a number of “best” with 1 ‘like’

        • SCamp

          Likes are harder to come by here than at WaPo.. no drive by’s… no self likers

  • Josh RosenSquinns

    There are several posters up here that could really use a blow job.

    • SCamp

      You mean there aren’t posters that could use a blowjob?

      • Josh RosenSquinns

        Maybe some could use one more than others is a better way to phrase (of course we could all use them, but for some, I think it may be a medical necessity).

        • SCamp

          Chuckle

        • AustinSkin

          As long as you’re offering, at least wear a wig or something.

          • Josh RosenSquinns

            I will pay Dez’s Mom her $1.00 fee to service you, Austin.

          • SCamp

            She charges that much? RIP OFF!

          • Josh RosenSquinns

            Its Austin. Wouldn’t you charge more than your regular rate to do Austin? Probably take at least 20 minutes just to find it.

          • SCamp

            Ha!

        • skinswest

          They give Rx for that now?

      • HTTRsince65

        Did someone call for me?

        -Russini

    • mike5790

      Not me. Because… early lunch, kids in pre school.
      TMI if I go further.

      • Josh RosenSquinns

        You jacked one while watching the Grand Tour?

      • SCamp

        You came home and your wife wasn’t expecting you… neither was the mailman?

      • the_amazing_spiderman

        Sneaking up on my wife at home like…
        https://media.giphy.com/media/12AClbOTVSAQ9y/giphy.gif

      • mike5790

        she hears the caaalll of the wild, every once in a while…

  • SCamp

    Good day to think about putting cash into play

  • walter_in_fallschurch

    i think water is wet, and weighs 1 gram per cubic centimeter.

    • mike5790

      somewhere, yes

  • smokey

    Trump called Smith ‘sneaky Smith’ in the fireplace ad. Chuckles

  • walter_in_fallschurch

    was that cousins/”trump” fireplace commercial as awful for you as it was for me?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BiWtH0HywY&feature=youtu.be

    • btg

      No, it was a commercial
      Would you stop

      • walter_in_fallschurch

        so, you thought it was well-done?

        • MJ45

          Would it have made a difference if it was an Obama look alike?

          • walter_in_fallschurch

            not a bit. love me some kirk cousins, but man, the guy has no charisma.

        • btg

          It’s a commercial

          Sorry that you are just so dainty about both KC and Trump

          Try and be a man at some point in your life and not be so sensitive and easily bruised

          My gosh

          • Big Buck64

            Golly jeepers .

          • walter_in_fallschurch

            it is plainly a horrible commercial. sorry you can’t see that. were you mesmerized by those old joe jacoby big screen tv commercials?

    • SCamp

      WHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

      • walter_in_fallschurch

        what’s the matter?

        • Josh RosenSquinns

          He saw the commercial, too!

        • SCamp

          You always crying about something

      • walter_in_fallschurch

        how in the hell does me making fun of a terrible commercial turn into a chance to insult me.?

        you really have an obsession, dare i say “fixation”, with me. it’s kinda funny and yet, sad.

        • SCamp

          WWHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!

    • Josh RosenSquinns

      Its a horrible commercial, but not because its KC/Trump. It just sucks.

      • alex35332

        Low rent is what i call it.

        • Josh RosenSquinns

          You want high production?

          https://youtu.be/HeXHXoNPZj4

          • MJ45

            “Call collect”. Haha

          • HTTRsince65

            The year I graduated HS….ugh….

          • alex35332

            Yes. It’s amazing how the quality of those two adds is very similar.

    • SCamp

      WTF is that? Hilarious

  • Josh RosenSquinns

    So… should we draft BPA or draft based on poistion of need?

    • AustinSkin

      BPA in PON always

  • Big Buck64

    I’d like to know why Pederson can roll with Suds as number two but Gruden didn’t . Just curious .

    • Josh RosenSquinns

      Suds was number three….

      • Big Buck64

        I know . I was referring to post Wentz . They could have brought in a guy with some experience .

        • Big Buck64

          One play away from having a guy with no experience in the playoffs/super bowl . Its an easy thing to understand if you have any common sense .

          • skinswest

            Has Suds even played a meaningful snap in a regular season game yet?

          • SCamp

            No

          • skinswest

            That’s what I thought. Things could’ve gotten real interesting for Philly if Foles got hurt. Pederson seems to know what he’s doing though. I’ll be curious to see how/if Suds develops down the road.

          • Big Buck64

            That was my point. Not hard to grasp.

          • Big Buck64

            unless you’re a know it all douchbag from Massachusetts, then it gets confusing for you .

    • btg

      You do realize that suds was #3 until CWentz got hurt right

      Tell me you understand that

      • Josh RosenSquinns

        NPI, is that you?

      • Big Buck64

        I understand you are a arrogant dickhead .

  • AustinSkin

    Trump is rambling about the economy, and the Dow has dropped as much as 800 points while he is speaking.

    • mike5790

      the Dow isn’t necessarily a great indicator of the economy, but it can be about certain parts of it; the stock market can be wildly successful selling things made in China to entities in China, as one example

  • Lbsand

    The on the field Officials sure let ’em play, which was really nice. Wish they’d call every game similarly. Hopefully the ‘catch/no catch’ rule as it’s currently written will be tossed into the fireplace this off-season.

    • alex35332

      It will be.

    • alex35332

      BTW wish I knew someone with a fireplace… weird that I don’t.
      I’d love to do a short hog sty video creating the scene of Goodell tossing the catch rule into the fire.

      • walter_in_fallschurch

        there are fireplaces out in the sleepy hollow part of falls church. just saying.

  • Big Buck64

    Paid a boatload for Smith . Get him some help . A QB can wait .

    • btg

      Not even close
      We paid a boatload for RG

      • Big Buck64

        70 million guaranteed plus Fuller = boatload .

        • btg

          Agree to disagree

          • Big Buck64

            I guess everything pales in comparison to RG . I agree with you on that

  • noonefromtampa

    a lot sites will be changing their Redskins QB mock pick over the next week or so

    the ones I have seen talking about Redskins are now think defense with #13 pick

    • alex35332

      DL/RB/WR/G are probably our top needs, ILB (depending on brown) S, CB come second.

  • Big Buck64

    Hogan knocked too the ground by Eagles defender 20 plus yards down the middle of the field . Never saw that yesterday . That would have been huge if called .

    • noonefromtampa

      yep illegal contact penalty on last play that was not called

      • Big Buck64

        He knocked him off his feet .

      • noonefromtampa

        I feel so sad that the Pats got the short end of the referee calling yesterday

        boo-hoo boo-hoo

        HA! suck it Bill

        • Big Buck64

          yeah , hard to have any sympathy .

    • No Punt Intended

      Whatcha gonna doooooooooooo……when Hogan comes after youuuuuuuuu BROTHER!

  • alex35332

    So hypothetically, now that we have Smith, what would you do someone like Rosen or Darnold somehow fell to 13? A QB whom most seem to say should be a good NFL talent. Do you draft a long term franchise QB, knowing you can safely bench him for 2 years now?

    • SCamp

      Hard to pass up

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      That would be hard to pass on, depends on Jay.

    • AustinSkin

      Trade back for more picks. Get a stud DT and OG

      • Big Buck64

        That’s what they need before anything else .

    • alex35332

      Only ask because I just did a mock draft and that was exactly what happened. I doubt it could ever happen in the real world. But is it crazy to say I’d take Rosen even with other needs?

      • Steve Thomas

        I wouldn’t do it.

    • Steve Thomas

      This year, I’d pass in favor of the best player who’s available at a position of need other than QB.

      • alex35332

        Tough one, I understand both sides obviously, but I think if someone like that’s there at QB, too hard to pass up. Worst case you trade Smith in 2018.

        • Lbsand

          ^ Good point.

      • AustinSkin

        Round 1 Pick 15 (ARI): Derwin James, SS/FS, Florida State (A+)
        Round 2 Pick 12: Harrison Phillips, DT, Stanford (B)
        Round 2 Pick 15 (ARI): Will Hernandez, OG, Texas-El Paso (A-)
        Round 4 Pick 13: Jaylen Samuels, RB/WR, North Carolina State (A)
        Round 5 Pick 12: Deatrick Nichols, CB, South Florida (A)
        Round 6 Pick 14: B.J. Hill, DT, North Carolina State (A+)
        Round 7 Pick 13: Bryce Bobo, WR, Colorado (A+)
        Round 7 Pick 23: Kyle Lauletta, QB, Richmond (B-)

    • Lbsand

      That would be a nice scenario. A couple of teams would be happy to trade up of either of those guys are at 13, especially Rosen.

    • skinswest

      I’d probably pass on a QB in the first round tempting as that may be. They have enough other holes to fill.

  • Zig-Zag_BC
    • alex35332

      More than a little bit.

      • No Punt Intended

        Brady has a semi.

    • Steve Thomas

      It’s a little much.

    • Josh RosenSquinns

      Uncomfortable….

    • noonefromtampa

      that’s what you get from marrying a European board, everyone ends up all huggy/kissy

      totally Un-American

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Slapshot, the owner scene at the end………..

    • alex35332

      I mean, look I remember when I was a little kid I went to give my dad a kiss on the cheek and accidentally hit his mouth.
      But we are talking 3-4 year old, not 11, and clearly using tongue.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        And his kid wiped his mouth with his shirt afterwards, looking awkward.

    • No Punt Intended

      Creepy indeed.

      – Woody Allen

  • noonefromtampa

    I’m not sure how the District of Columbia really fits into things anymore.
    ================================================
    it’s the large square shaped blight that people avoid driving thru at all costs and it’s been that way since about 1967

    although Alex is trying to fix that

    • alex35332

      I’m not trying to fix the driving aspect. If anything I want to blow up all the bridges crossing the Potomac.

      • noonefromtampa

        you’re trying to unblight DC

        move people in NoVa would agree on blowing up the bridges

        • alex35332

          DC’s more or less unblighted at this point. It’s so unblighted that making 6 figures and still “poor”
          I live in a bad neighborhood, only 5 of my neighbors have Lexus’es.

  • alex35332

    We talk about them moving the SB back to MLK weekend, what about going 2 weeks later and having it on President’s Day Weekend?

    • Josh RosenSquinns

      I’d be good with that. Except its two weekends….

      • alex35332

        I realized that and changed it. yes 2 weekends later.

    • walter_in_fallschurch

      i don’t like the 2 week break. totally disrupts the teams’ rhythm. are you proposing a 3 week break?

      • alex35332

        No moving the schedule so that they always finish on a 3 day weekend.

        • noonefromtampa

          gee if you added 2 games and another bye week…

          • alex35332

            Yeah 18 game schedule and BOOM it fits perfect.

          • Steve Thomas

            It’s perfect for everyone except the NFL, the TV networks, the advertisers, and the players.

          • alex35332

            It will be fine.

          • Steve Thomas

            No it won’t, which is why it isn’t.

    • Steve Thomas

      The NFL also doesn’t want the Super Bowl on a Sunday of a three day weekend. That would affect ratings, too.

  • SCamp

    I don’t know if this was [posted yet but a new version of bad lip reading… with lots of Redskins in it. So damn funny:

    http://www.redskins.com/news/blog/article-1/2018-NFL-Bad-Lip-Reading-Morgan-Moses-Is-Saw-Gerrera/6aa220f8-b417-4fe0-9cc3-1c53e16fe051

    • the_amazing_spiderman

      Thanks for posting this!

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      LMAO

    • No Punt Intended

      fuccing hilarious

  • btg

    Edwin Jackson the Colts lb was hit and killed by a twice deported illegall immigrant who was also drunk at the time of the crash

    SMH

    • alex35332

      Just reading the story. Cop ran over one of the victims too when reporting to the scene. Just a clusterfluck. Drunk drivers, worst people in America.

      • btg

        Illegal immigrant drunk drivers

        • alex35332

          All drunk drivers. Illegal, legal, men, women, black, white. I say citizen or not we should deport em all if they drink n drive.

    • noonefromtampa

      my family in law enforcement says two biggest ethic categories for drunk drivers are
      1. Latino Males
      2. White Females

      • noonefromtampa

        if you pull either over after midnight chances are they are drunk

        • Josh RosenSquinns

          So if you’re looking to get laid….

      • SCamp

        ethnic

  • No Punt Intended

    Funny that Foles left MSU when Cousins took his job and now, last night, it’s Foles taking money from Kirk’s pocket.

  • Rick Deez

    Nah…if I was the Eagles, I would trade Foles while he as maximum value. I hear they really like Sudfeld.

    • SCamp

      Sure… keep the benchwarmer over a guy that just won a Superbowl… makes perfect sense

      • Rick Deez

        But Foles is not going to play once Wentz gets healthy.

        • SCamp

          Sure… but Sudfeld is going to put you behind by losing every game he starts.

      • HTTRsince65

        Buy low, sell high

        • the_amazing_spiderman

          selling high is a mistake. I once sold my favorite disc man for a bag of doritos and oreo cookies.

          • DC-Dan

            What flavor were the doritos?

          • the_amazing_spiderman

            cool ranch

          • DC-Dan

            Even trade

          • alex35332

            If it was a diskman were there even “flavors” back then?

          • the_amazing_spiderman

            just two, regular and cool ranch

          • HTTRsince65

            High price, not high on hippie lettuce

          • SCamp

            By the way… this is very funny

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Yes, it’s most excellent.

  • No Punt Intended

    The Eagles cannot deal Foles because there is no way Wentz is ready for week 1. Wentz might well start 2018 on the PUP list. Foles stays in Philly.

    • alex35332

      I mean RGIII got hurt later came back by week 1.
      It ruined his career, but would that be so bad for the Eagles, who would have another month with Wentz?

      • No Punt Intended

        That’s why they would never do that nor does Wentz feel the need to go all in for week 1 because of his fear of Suds winning in his absence.

        • alex35332

          How do we talk him into it then?

          • No Punt Intended

            He would have to become ultra-self-centered while also being paranoid overnight.

    • the_amazing_spiderman

      but if the price is right..

    • Lbsand

      Prolly so. But the Eagles are ~$9M over now, Foles is ~$7M of it. They need to clear at least $15M.

  • mike5790

    You know, if Bridgewater lingers in FA, why not? I mean, he might be a little on the pricey side for a backup, but maybe …
    nah

    • Lbsand

      Colt, baby!

    • No Punt Intended

      No. He would be good with a Super Bowl caliber defense, a top RB who will be coming back next year, a badass TE and weapons on the outside.

      Sound familiar?

      • SCamp

        Yes

        -Every team ever

        • No Punt Intended

          Except the Patriots then, right?

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Yeah, nah

    • alex35332

      Bridgewater is the big boom or bust candidate from the list. Dude nearly lost his leg. But he was showing to be a very rock solid QB before that.

  • AustinSkin

    February is Black History Month. I wouldn’t be opposed to MLK day being moved to Super Bowl Monday.

    • Josh RosenSquinns

      I’m black history now…. (well, technically, cornball, but black history, nonetheless).

      -RGIII

    • No Punt Intended

      “I HAVE A GLEAM!”

      – Marty

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      He was born January 15, get over it.

      • HTTRsince65

        When was Jesus born again?

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          April……ish

          • HTTRsince65

            So…..lol
            Im comfortable moving mlk day then 😁

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            So, hell. That’s got nothing to do with it. Explain your theory, I’m all ears.

          • HTTRsince65

            Im just poking fun BC

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            I know, but to try and piggyback the Superbowl with MLK’s birthday is disrespectful, IMO. Sounds like a DirecTV bundle for Christ’s sake.

          • SCamp

            HA!

          • HTTRsince65

            Lo siento mi amigo

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            no hay problema, todo es suave

          • alex35332

            But they would be 2 different days. separated by the space time continuum.

            Sunday-Football
            Monday-Freedom

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            The point is, you aren’t gonna move MLK day for the benefit of the NFL, that dog won’t hunt.

          • alex35332

            No you would have to convince the NFL to change it, hard to do.

          • SCamp

            The half the players would cry that the NFL just disrespected MLK… they wouldn’t want to play on that day…

            …and they wouldn’t be far from right.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            They own Sunday, for God’s sake.

          • alex35332

            “The NFL owns a day of the week. The same day the Church used to own. Now it’s theirs.”

          • alex35332

            I thought it was August/September.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            It wasn’t December 25th

    • mike5790

      you could rename it Civil Rights Super Celebration Rainbow Day

  • Coach JS

    Cousins, Keenum, Foles, Bradford, Bridgewater.

    How do you rank ’em?

    • btg

      Probably right like you have it

    • walter_in_fallschurch

      despite his lack of playoff wins… i’d take cousins over any of them.

    • No Punt Intended

      Based on everything (age, cost, ability, situation, etc)

      Foles
      Cousins
      Keenum
      Bradford
      Bridgewater

      • mike5790

        I think so. Also, Foles has the most playoff experience.

      • SCamp

        That’s about right

      • HTTRsince65

        I agree

      • Lbsand

        Yeah, looks good. Variables with each of course. Foles will cost a team a draft pick…Cousins a fortune…Bradford won’t be able to stay on the field.

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          What about Teddy?

          • Josh RosenSquinns

            Still looking for a few pieces of his knee.

          • Lbsand

            ^ I like Teddy better than most peeps, but coming off a major injury so who knows.

  • btg

    Anyhow
    Big chance to make big strides coming up in FA and the draft

    • No Punt Intended

      I can’t wait to get the first pulse of how Smith is working with the offense.

    • HTTRsince65

      https://youtu.be/nauLgZISozs

      Looks like I found our FO theme song.
      Jk, well sorta

      • No Punt Intended

        D_C actually played on of the Lollipop Kids.

        • HTTRsince65

          You are hysterical sometimes

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        “I’d unravel every riddle, of Kirky Kirk-a-diddle….” – Bruce

  • btg

    PFF insider reporting that Butler missed curfew, was caught with weed by the police and then lost it on his coaches

    • SCamp

      That’d do it. Kudos to the Pats for keeping mum

    • walter_in_fallschurch

      what a f-ing idiot.

      • SCamp

        There goes Walter… insulting and making fun of people again…

        • No Punt Intended

          Not very empathetic there Wiffer. Maybe the man is dealing with issues deeper than you’re able to grasp.

          • walter_in_fallschurch

            there are no pot-smoking “issues”. people do it because it’s fun.

          • No Punt Intended

            More fun than playing in a Super Bowl?

            No man, that’s a pretty big freaking issue.

          • walter_in_fallschurch

            well, yeah, that’s why he’s an idiot.

        • SCamp

          Rationalization in 3… 2… 1…

        • Josh RosenSquinns

          Scamp would never do such a thing!

          • SCamp

            Just mimicking his own sentiments to me this morning.

            He has zero problem with hypocrisy

          • walter_in_fallschurch

            grasping at straws.

          • SCamp

            Wrestling with reality

        • walter_in_fallschurch

          are you seriously trying to equate that comment with your daily insults of people posting here?

          • SCamp

            Insulting people is insulting people Walter… you’re either doing it or your not. I’m sure you’re trying to rationalize it to make yourself feel like you’re better than everyone else… after all, that’s what you do.

          • walter_in_fallschurch

            speaking of rationalization….

          • SCamp

            What am I rationalizing Walter? Having trouble with vocabulary?

          • walter_in_fallschurch

            there is a difference between you and me posting comments to one another and having it devolve, as always, into you insulting me or others, and my calling a guy who apparently got caught smoking pot the week of the super bowl an “idiot”. is that distinction really lost on you?

          • SCamp

            Don’t worry Walter… God forgives you… even if I couldn’t care less what you think.

          • walter_in_fallschurch

            hahaha…. well, apparently you are fixated on what i think.

            and, i’m pleased that in your eyes imaginary god forgives me.

          • SCamp

            Fixated?

            Someone needs to get you a dictionary.

          • walter_in_fallschurch

            “fix·ate
            ˈfikˌsāt/Submit
            verb
            past tense: fixated; past participle: fixated
            1.
            cause (someone) to acquire an obsessive attachment to someone or something.
            “she has for some time been fixated on photography”
            synonyms: obsessed with, preoccupied with, obsessive about; ”
            ———————

            yup. pretty much perfect for what scamp feels about walter.

          • SCamp

            If calling you out as a hypocrite certifies as fixating in your world… then I’m sure you have hundreds of people fixated on you… cause you are a HUGE one.

          • walter_in_fallschurch

            you are rationalizing your constant, daily, argumentative, insults of people.

          • SCamp

            I never rationalize anything. I don’t try to make excuses for my actions… that’s all you do.

      • btg

        He is entering free agency too

        All because he wants to get high

        And then has the nerve to say after the game that the Pat’s gave up on him
        SMDH

        • SCamp

          Let’s keep in mind that this is a PFF story… not exactly verified reporting

      • walter_in_fallschurch

        WTF, scamp?

        i make a comment about butler being an “idiot” for getting caught smoking pot the week before the super bowl and it becomes an opportunity for you to insult me. i’d say “fixated” is the perfect word. and why are you so angry and mean?

        • SCamp

          I made a comment this morning about Kelly being a bitch… had zero to do with you… and you took the time to make a whole post about it. Why are you such a bitch?

          • walter_in_fallschurch

            are you proud about calling kelly a bitch? make you feel big and tough? kelly is a regular poster here. butler is not.

            and i still maintain that a player being caught smoking pot the week of the super bowl is an idiot.

          • SCamp

            Oh… so it’s cool to make fun of people as long as they don’t post here…

            Whatever makes you feel better about yourself.

          • walter_in_fallschurch

            what a shallow and transparent “comeback”. like you don’t insult posters and non-posters every single day. must be awful to be so angry all the time.

          • SCamp

            It’s very clear you aren’t intelligent enough to get the point. You are a dolt. How awful it must be to be such a bitter and jaded bigot.

    • Josh RosenSquinns

      Wait, I thought they wouldn’t keep him off the field as punishment in the SB?

  • AustinSkin

    Markets are hungover today. After a short-lived Opening Bell rally, Dow is down 375 (1.47%)

    • No Punt Intended

      Profit taking. Still over 25k. Smart moves as the market levels out and stays on an upward trajectory, just not the hockey stick we’ve seen for the last year.

      • AustinSkin

        Markets are just pulling back to fair value.

        • No Punt Intended

          Leveling off. Certainly not going down below 25K. No one thought that 12 month spike was going to continue to spike. So yeah. Makes perfect sense to everyone.

          • AustinSkin

            There’s a major level of support around 24775, so yeah.

          • mike5790

            24774.6

          • No Punt Intended

            25,102

          • mike5790

            we’d be digging mass (suicide) graves outside of Wall Street

          • AustinSkin

            8675.309

        • mike5790

          the markets will do well for the next few months as the tax refunds roll in and people pump money into IRAs
          and then
          usually the markets are kinda flat last six months of the year, not always

  • AustinSkin

    Jacksonville will trade for Foles. Booked.

    • alex35332

      I think the team that trades for Foles is gonna be who comes in 4th in the Kirk/TeddyB/Bradford chase.

      • mike5790

        unless the Vikings sign Kirk. then that puts all three Vikings QBs on the market

      • SCamp

        Why would Foles be behind ANY of those guys?

        • mike5790

          only reason I can think of is it’s going to take some fairly high draft picks to get him; I mean SB MVP
          value isn’t enough, then they keep him another year

  • btg

    I’d love for a draft review as a post hint hint

    • alex35332

      Things are in the works.

  • AustinSkin

    Nick Foles’ father, Larry is a homegrown success story. Grew from an assistant manager at Shoney’s into a very successful restaurant developer. One of his concepts, Eddie V’s Prime Seafood Grill, with multiple locations, sold for $59 million.

    He is now an active investor in several other casual/upscale restaurant concepts, including Cover 2 and Cover 3 Sports bars, and Hopdoddy, a burger concept. All of his properties are excellent.

    • btg

      Foles is an easy guy to root for

      • SCamp

        Yea… but the Eagles aren’t an easy team to root for.

    • alex35332

      Hop daddy, sounds like a classic burger and brew type combo. Those always work.

      • AustinSkin

        They make one juicy, delicious burger. Meat is ground on premises. I would go there more often, but there’s always a wait to get in.

        • mike5790

          why wouldn’t you just go to the local butcher and grill out at home, whole six pack of good beer for the price of 1.5 beers out; grass fed organic beef, maybe a slab of havarti. boom

          • AustinSkin

            I do that already. But sometimes I like to go out. No shortage of great eats in Austin.

  • alex35332

    So right now there are still what 6 teams who probably want to upgrade QB this off season? Jags probably debatable because of the run they had this year even with QB issues. But adding them to this list.
    Bills, Jets, Browns, Jags, Broncos, Cardinals
    There will probably be 3 FA QB’s who will get starting jobs, 2 of the guys from the Vikings, and Kirk. Someone could potentially trade for Foles if they are foold into it I guess.

    That could amazingly leave only 1 QB needy teams in the NFL draft, which seems really low.

  • alex35332

    https://twitter.com/Steveospeak/status/960570069926498304
    Already seeing mock up of a Nick Foles Browns jersey.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Browns can’t use him.

    • walter_in_fallschurch

      does the emergence of nick foles diminish kurt cummings’s value?

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Yes

      • alex35332

        Maybe only a little bit, IF a team really thinks “we could trade for Foles and win” But I don’t think other GM’s in the NFL will think it.

      • mike5790

        the draft value for him is much higher because of his contract, so it will cost more in that regard than Kirk

    • the_amazing_spiderman

      I would think Foles would want to be the starter somewhere, this is a big opportunity for him to cash in on a decent contract.

      • mike5790

        the two places where he prob fits the offense best: KC and Philly

        • alex35332

          You mean where he is and where he was?

          Got to be some other Andy Reid coaching tree guys out there.

        • the_amazing_spiderman

          I agree, but any team could insert the RPO into their offense and attempt to make good use of Foles

          • alex35332

            We say that but in 2-3 seasons RPO will be a fad, that just influences playbooks a little. like the zone read.

          • mike5790

            RPO is just another name for zone read (right?), but I think it’s what we were talking about, less that the QB is running, the option is more QB pass or RB run with less QB run. basically it’s just a quicker version of play action passing that gives the QB a better look at the field.

  • alex35332

    How many Philadelphians does it take to screw in a light bulb?

    20. 19 to rip the lamp post down mid riot and 1 drunk girl to puke all over them as she rides around on top of it. Then they don’t actually replace the bulb as they get arrested by the cops.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Don’t forget Mikey, Mikey eats glass……..and batteries.

      • alex35332

        It’s funny because I know a carnie who eats glass.

        • No Punt Intended

          As opposed to the c-level executive who eats glass?

          • alex35332

            He does shows at the Ren Fair. Good dude. Also does the bit where he sticks his hand in a fox trap.

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          ..

  • No Punt Intended

    If I was opening a new pack of smokes, I would pull the cellophane off the box, set it open-end-down on the bar and point and say, “Hey Philly fan……looks like your trophy case!”

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    I’d be prank calling every Pats bar I could find trying to order Philly cheese steak.

    • No Punt Intended

      While talking like Rocky Balboa.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        YES!

  • AustinSkin

    Dammit, I can’t use my Eagles “no ring” cell phone joke any more.

    • alex35332

      Yes, we are gonna have to get all new jokes. It’s a sad day for easy punch lines, almost as sad as when Ted Kennedy died.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        What is a Philly Superbowl casserole made with?

        • SCamp

          Burnt turds?

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            It’s a blend of fermented oats, alfalfa, and 10% sweet feed.

        • No Punt Intended

          Meaty, wet and an fresh out of the chute, dark brown horse turds.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            I’m sure you’ll fine tune that into a good joke.

      • Steve Thomas

        Hell had to make sure a large chair meant for two old fat guys and a young waitress was available when Ted Kennedy died.

        • alex35332

          Growing up in DC wasn’t easy, this town’s streets were full of drunks vagrants. I couldn’t go more than a week with out tripping over Ted Kennedy passed out on the sidewalk.

          • Steve Thomas

            If there really is a hell, then Ted Kennedy is a charter member.

          • alex35332

            Charter Members would have to be around when hell was invented in 300 AD.

          • Steve Thomas

            Oh, he was there. He’s always been there.

  • alex35332

    TheHogSty‏ @TheHogSty
    2m2 minutes ago
    Super Bowl LII pulled a 47.4 overnight rating nationally, which is 3% less than last year & an 8 year low.

    Those 3% missed a great game.

  • btg

    On the way back from the gym this Pat’s fanbase is roiling
    I can’t get enough

    • the_amazing_spiderman

      When Patriots win, they say “Brady is the GOAT!”
      When Patriots lose, they say “It’s a team sport, Brady doesn’t play defense”

      Reality: Brady lost the game. His fumble basically sealed the deal. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f9c9245c52055ab2bb0fa00d9011fe99cf03d3ee54350aa83c0db5940d3fb8ab.jpg

      • alex35332

        You don’t wanna know where he sticks the thumbs

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          If it’s somewheres on or in his wife….

          • alex35332

            No, it’s somewheres on or in his coach.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Oh…… nevermind

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            That’s just wrong

      • btg

        Love it!!!

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Anyone that you particularly dislike? Send them a cheese steak sammich, delivery….

  • AustinSkin

    Hypothetical: Let’s assume Kirk really wanted to iron out a team-friendly LTD (which is far from the case). Do you think he is the franchise QB who would lead this team to a Superb Owl?

    • No Punt Intended

      Here is my highly nuanced and technical response:

      No

      • Josh RosenSquinns

        Kirk’s a pussy.

      • AustinSkin

        Agreed, which is why I get annoyed watching all of the hand-wringing from the KSFTG fan club.

        I’m inclined to believe our chances are better with Alex over the short haul.

        • mike5790

          I don’t think you can really build a team with a time horizon longer than like 5 years
          and Alex Smith looks to be able to fit that for now

          • alex35332

            You build for the next 3 seasons. But at the same time you need to be looking for those as many of those franchise cornerstone guys who will lock down 1 spot for 10+ seasons, as you can find.

    • btg

      He had zero interest in that
      Furthermore no

    • Different_Cat

      Barn owl or screech owl?

      • alex35332

        African or European?

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Both

          • alex35332

            Well then he can just grip it by the husk.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Ha

    • alex35332

      If it’s a team friendly deal, we can build around him at QB and not have a season like this one where he’s got no weapons? I think you are looking at least at a playoff team, I don’t know about SB, but as they say, got to make the dance first.

  • Coach JS

    When you watch his highlight reel, almost all of Smith’s deep shots go to Tyreek Hill. Without Hill, I doubt Smith has 4k yards and he probably checks down a lot more. Hill is waaaay open on most of the shots too.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      The ball being on time had a lot to do with that.

    • alex35332

      I mean Hill was 105/75 T/C, for 1183 yards, clearly the biggest threat they had in ypc, at 15.8. Odds are even if you distributed those passes to the other players on that defense the impact wouldn’t be the same, it would be close to 4,000 still but probably just under, 3,800 ish range, just my guesstimate.

  • alex35332

    For me the jury is still gonna be out on if Smith is really Jay’s QB or no, I think the match will be okay. But I don’t know if Gruden’s the kind of coach who will ever find a perfect fit at QB for himself. Its that whole thing where ex-QB’s turned coach all really just want to be out there tossing it themselves.

    • AustinSkin

      I think that Smith will listen to Jay and let it rip, instead of trying to protect his stats.

    • Josh RosenSquinns

      I’ve always found its generally more fun to have someone else toss it.

    • Coach JS

      Yeah. Smith is a surprising choice in the sense that he is very conservative with the ball and not a risk taker.

      Meanwhile, Gruden was just on about Kirk taking more chances.

      • SCamp

        Smith was MUCH more of a risk taker/playmaker this year than he’s ever been. What I’m interested in seeing if this was an anomaly or if this is the new Smith.

        • alex35332

          I think if we get him some deep threats he will be willing.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            To go deep

          • SCamp

            We need a guy who can take the top off no matter who the QB is.

      • alex35332

        Nothing epitomizes it quite like the back and forth they had in the media where Kirk said, “If I listened to coach then I’d throw 20 interceptions a year”
        And Jay said in the media, “yeah but he would also have about 60 touchdowns”
        But in a sense maybe their contrast in play was what saved them both from failing.

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          We didn’t fail?

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            I feel like we kinda failed…..

          • Coach JS

            Go root for some other team you whiny crybabby!!

            — Koolaid Sippers

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            “oww, Okay…..” *picks ball up, shuffles away

          • No Punt Intended

            ^ Kelly?

        • Josh RosenSquinns

          And mediocre….

    • walter_in_fallschurch

      well…. of course the “jury is still… out”. haven’t played a game together. i imagine jay is happy to have a solid, proven qb for the next few years.

      and, buys us time to find the next guy.

  • Coach JS

    I went to middle school with this dude who LITERALLY got a new starter jacket after every Super Bowl. Whoever won it was “his team” until the next contest was decided. And once he switched, he acted like he’d always been a fan of whatever team. It was crazy. Did the same thing (maybe not a Starter jacket, but hoodie, jersey, some kind of gear) for Men’s hoops and baseball too.

    All the Eagles Bandwagoneers today brought that dude back to mind. He’s like 43 years old now, and almost certainly just dropped his Patriots jacket off at Goodwill.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Some poor bandwagoneer just hit the jackpot, circle of life.

      • Josh RosenSquinns

        Flounder should swoop by and pick it up.

        • No Punt Intended

          Shake some fiberglass dust on the inside lining and an extra helping around the under arm areas.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            FWIW, if you don’t wash clothes you get from a thrift store, well….

          • Josh RosenSquinns

            You’ll begin to smell like Chris Chester?

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            HA!

    • No Punt Intended

      4 chances to get that Buffalo Bills jacket.

      No dice.

    • alex35332

      Where was the father in this picture. Can’t imagine letting a kid get away with that. Not only is it bad sportsmanship, civic pride. But the money we are talking about, those starter jackets are always overpriced.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Also, who wants a kid like that?

        • Coach JS

          The dude was weird and annoying. He had a killer jump shot though (which he shot from the chest, little kid style) that was accurate from all over the court.

          Daddy was convinced the kid was going D1 on scholarship and spoiled the dude no end.

          Kid ended up 5’4″ and still shooting from the chest in high school. Never made varsity—at a hillbilly wrestling school where the bball team sucked. smh

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Lol, first day of practice, guard slaps the ball outta his hands.

      • Josh RosenSquinns

        Probably someone like MAster….

  • No Punt Intended

    Kevin Hart getting the Heismann from the security guard while DG28 was bringing the Lombardi Trophy up to the stage was just terrific.

    https://sports.yahoo.com/kevin-hart-made-fool-celebrating-eagles-super-bowl-win-043823956.html

  • Back to the good ol daysBruce

    Understand the move. Have to get something done ASAP at the QB position assuming there is someone out there you really like. I’m just not enamored with trading for older players regardless of position. And Alex doesn’t jump out as a THE guy at this point in time for us. But i hope I’m wrong.

    • Josh RosenSquinns

      Me is a mediocre QB. Perfect for Jay’s team!

  • walter_in_fallschurch

    man, oh, man. that’s why they play the games and why sports are great. best reality show ever.

  • Back to the good ol daysBruce

    Wasn’t it the concussion that allowed Kapernick to takeover at QB?

    • Josh RosenSquinns

      Can’t recall.

      -Ajax

  • Steve Thomas

    Dear Redskins:

    Just let Kirk Cousins go.

    Sincerely,
    All smart people

  • No Punt Intended

    Different_Cat • 15 minutes ago
    So the “important dates” calendar lists today as, “Waiver system begins for 2018.” Not sure what that means, exactly.
    ——————————————
    http://cjzero.com/gifs/SmithWavesWinky.gif

  • walter_in_fallschurch

    i sure wish they’d speed up the replay process. i, and probably most of us, can tell almost immediately what the right call is. they spend another minute or 2 on it. frustrating.

    • alex35332

      The only one that needed a few looks was possibly the TD where Ertz bobbled the ball after falling.

      Even then I was able to figure it out after the 2nd or 3rd viewing.

      • mike5790

        if’n it would be travelling EVEN IN THE 3-4 step NBA, then he’s a runner, and it’s a TD

        that’s a rule.

        • alex35332

          Yes that is the thing that like I said, needed to re-check. Live I’d not noticed if it was more than 1 step.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      “loves strike zone replay, hates football replay”

      • walter_in_fallschurch

        zig,
        not at all! i always want to get the call right. i love that nfl does replays. but, they just do it so poorly it hurts. note i said “speed up” not “eliminate”.

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          That was just a random file from last year, just messin’ around.

  • alex35332

    Best TV add IMO, Peter Dinklage raping about Doritos.

    • Steve Thomas

      There’s a pretty big difference between “raping” and “rapping”.

      • alex35332

        depends on who you ask.

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          I would totally rape a bag of Doritos – Reid

        • Different_Cat

          Big Ben’s agent is taking notice.

      • mike5790

        you’ve kinda got to have a rapists wit about it

  • Flounder

    I think this sign an trade is more made up media crap though.

    • alex35332

      Well there were rumors that someone heard something from another owner that he thinks this could be some idea that Bruce Allen could possibly have.

      So, cold hard fact.

      • Flounder

        Yeah

    • Flounder

      I mean of course they would look into you would be stupid not to but I don’t think it is guaranteed.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Thin K was highly regarded in the draft.

    • the_amazing_spiderman

      This would send the wrong message to other FAs who would think about coming to D.C. Who would want to join an organization that treats its players that way?

      • alex35332

        100%. Great point.

      • Josh RosenSquinns

        KC would have to be a willing participant in this process for it to work.

        • mike5790

          Yes, that’s how it would work. He has the leverage that he can screw the Skins, Skins have leverage in that if he doesn’t play ball they could revoke the tag well after Free Agency starts and have 2-3 places already find their QB; if he were to not play ball BUT sign the tag before a deal, the Skins could then trade him to Cleveland

          • Josh RosenSquinns

            Game of chicken. Skins aren’t good at these types of things.

          • walter_in_fallschurch

            mmm…. chicken skin…

          • mike5790

            I think these things keep each side in check, they’re boundaries. Both sides know it, and it then becomes just Kirk going out and finding a deal that works for him and the Skins. The place where the Skins could screw this up is thinking they have more leverage than they do. It would be minor compensation. We’re not talking like a 1st and 2nd round pick. If it were Denver, it might be something like a 2nd round pick swap and maybe a conditional 2019 pick.

          • Josh RosenSquinns

            So all this risk, when if you do nothing, you likely get a third round compensatory pick in 2019?

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    New remix coming, “burnin’ down the Ritz”

    • alex35332

      The shocking thing, never would have thought a cloth awning could hold that many people to begin with.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        “never thought”

  • Flounder

    Actually a sign and trade would help a team like Denver who doesn’t have the cap space to get into a bidding war.

    • Josh RosenSquinns

      Yes, but absolutely no incentive for KC. None. Zilch. Nada.

      • mike5790

        he gets free agency early. for this to work he and his Agent have to work out the deal first.

        not unlike the Smith trade between KC and Washington

        • Josh RosenSquinns

          KC was definitely hitting FA; KC had much more control over AS. A sign and trade for KC makes zero sense- eliminates bidding war.

          • mike5790

            no it doesn’t. the bidding war happens NOW, and he presumably is only interested in a few teams that are set up to win

  • Different_Cat

    So the “important dates” calendar lists today as, “Waiver system begins for 2018.” Not sure what that means, exactly.

  • SCamp

    That’s one thing I won’t miss about moving east… late games

  • Coach JS

    When is this country going to get with the program and admit that Super Bowl Monday should be a national holiday?

    We’re due for a new holiday. Or, if they want to be stingy about it, just bump MLK day back.

    • alex35332

      I’ve said move it back to MLK day forever. Start the regular season in late august.

      • alex35332

        Or they could move the game up by 2 hours so it ends at 8/9 PM EST not 10/11 EST

        • Steve Thomas

          The NFL likes stretching the season out to February. They have no incentive to end things early.

          • alex35332

            My argument would be that starting a month early is better because more fans will show up for games in better weather in the regular season than they will in the end of the year when the weather is bad. If you start the season 1 month earlier that means better turnout early.

          • Steve Thomas

            They like starting in September because it coincides with the start of the new TV season, and their big kickoff Thursday thing and the start of Monday Night Football are major advertiser things. The NFL doesn’t care about fan attendance in better weather because the games are going to be sold out no matter what.

    • btg

      Why should they do that?

      Learn how to act accordingly on a work night

      • Coach JS

        Lol.

        Greg being Greg!! Love it, man.

        And PS I did act accordingly (except for staying up till near midnight, which is rare for me).

        • alex35332

          I got a little wild and crazy, even had a 2nd helping of dessert.

    • Steve Thomas

      Chris Larry mentioned this on the last It’s Just Business show. That’s a great idea for workers, but a terrible idea for private businesses, which would lose big bucks with the banks, feds, and local gov’ts shut down, even if private industry wanted to stay open. No thanks.

      • mike5790

        You don’t lose that much if you’re not paying workers. I’d be up for having everything shut down 1 day a week.

        Then you’d know who your friends are. You want to hang out on (whatever day it turns out everything is shut down). No. I’ve got to go to work!

        So your friend would rather spend 2 days in the stocks than hang out with you.

    • mike5790

      Super Civil Rights Day

  • Josh RosenSquinns

    What incentive does KC have at all in cooperating with a sign and trade?

    If he goes to FA, the bidding will begin (in a sign and trade, reduced bidding war, if any) and he can choose among the teams. I don’t see any advantage for KC to cooperate in a sign and trade. It makes absolutely zero sense.

    • Different_Cat

      The ONLY reason would be to avoid spending a year sitting on the bench, but I think he’d do it if BA fucked him around by tagging him.

      • Flounder

        No he wouldn’t.

        • Different_Cat

          No? Collect $34 million to hold a clipboard and start fresh next year? That would totally suck.

  • the_amazing_spiderman

    So the NFC East becomes the first division to have all its teams win at least one Super Bowl.

  • Steve Thomas

    Also, for those of you who didn’t notice, we updated our roster chart, our salary cap projection chart, and added in a free agency signings tracker and a Redskins free agent status tracker. It’s in the “Roster/Cap/FA” tab at the top of the page.

    • Steve Thomas

      Before anyone says it, I can’t do anything about the fact that the later years of the salary cap chart run into the sides. It’s a function of the website.

  • walter_in_fallschurch

    had a little party last night. my wife made philly cheesesteak sliders. bunch of people brought over a bunch of other stuff. as usual…. too much food.

  • btg

    Imagine being a firefighter in Philadelphia today
    Like I have to risk my life because of your inability to control yourself
    I have zero sympathy for any morons who hurt them selves in the name of celebrating

  • No Punt Intended

    Love looking at white people in the streets last night throwing up gang signs whenever the cameras were pointed their way.

    • SCamp

      The Southside Cheesesteak Gang is dan-ger-ous

      • No Punt Intended

        The Van Buren Boys!

        – Costanza

    • Steve Thomas

      It’s Philly living up to its well earned Cro-Magnon reputation.

      • SCamp

        If there was ever a fanbase that deserved to NEVER have a championship that was the one

  • SCamp
  • SCamp

    Lotta discussion on Twitter about how Bruce is gonna tag Kirk for spite.

    Seems ridiculous

    • btg

      I for the life of me cannot see that happening
      The backfire is too risky

      • SCamp

        Bruce may be arrogant and petty… but this would be a career ender

        • btg

          KC would sign here and we’re stuck
          Not happening

      • mike5790

        You give permission to Kirk to talk to other teams
        He gets his free agency early
        He works out a LTD to his liking with Other team
        Other team offers something in return
        Then Redskins Tag Kirk first moment that it is allowed
        The deal is executed briefly after 4 PM ET March 14th

        • SCamp

          Why wouldn’t he just wait for FA then and NOT hamstring his team with the loss of a draft pick?

    • Steve Thomas

      It is ridiculous. Way too much risk and consequences just to maybe get a draft pick.

      • SCamp

        Guess you could try to trade Alex to the Browns?

        HA!!

    • mike5790

      it wouldn’t be spite. it would be business, and there might be good reason for the Other (team) to want it to happen so they could complete the deal (in principle) before free agency

  • btg

    Not gonna lie
    The misery around me is intoxicating

    • SCamp

      Ha!

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Sipping tea?

  • Josh RosenSquinns

    Spoke to a Vikes fan this morning. Saying that Vikes are very much in the KC race. Keenum not under contract, Bridgewater is up in the air and on ones interested in Mr. Glass.

    Interesting. Hadn’t though/heard of that angle before.

    • SCamp

      I mentioned that 2 days ago… the response from someone was it’s only the Viking fans that want Cousins

      • Josh RosenSquinns

        Maybe that’s true. But it certainly makes sense. They’re a contender.

        • SCamp

          To me, I think it would be smart. Keenum is a one year wonder and the other two are one hit away from having their careers ended.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        You mean Noone

        • SCamp

          Sounds right… I couldn’t remember who said it

    • Lbsand

      Certainly possible. A lot of discussion about ‘which UFA QB will the Vikes bring back’ and the answer might be: none of ’em.

    • Steve Thomas

      I’m a bit surprised that they aren’t more in on Keenum.

      • Lbsand

        Things changed a bit with Shurmer moving on.

      • SCamp

        One year wonders…

    • walter_in_fallschurch

      you drop kurt into that vikings team and, oh, man. them or the jags.

  • Josh RosenSquinns

    Spoke to a Pats fan this morning. He said Foles was targeting Butler’s replacement the whole time. Doesn’t know why Butler didn’t play, but says only way that happens is if BB is benching him out of spite for something.

    • alex35332

      You don’t do something out of spite that could cost you a championship….

      • Josh RosenSquinns

        Its Bellicheck.

        • SCamp

          Bellicheck does things on the field to win games not personal spats

          • Josh RosenSquinns

            Sat Welker for the first four drives in another SB. That’s not likely to help win games either.

    • SCamp

      Spite for what?

      • Josh RosenSquinns

        That’s the biq question.

    • walter_in_fallschurch

      articles are saying that butler was sick all week, but are also saying it was for “football reasons” – like he forgot how to play CB. maybe hard to parse, but they appear to be making it out like it was not a disciplinary reason. we will never know, because, you know…. partiots*

  • Lbsand

    Colt under contract for next year for $3.6, then a UFA. Sounds affordable for a quality back-up.

  • Steve Thomas

    I’m confident that Smith will bring a sense of quality and stability to DC, and I think he did open up his game at times last season. There were a couple of games where he looked like a totally different guy. I think bringing in a high-end veteran WR – pick one: Landry, Robinson, somebody – is going to be a must, along with finding a better running game.

    • Lbsand

      The stability at QB for the next 3 years, at least, will be awesome.

    • HTTRsince65

      I like his mobility and if I’m being honest, idc who our qb is as long as we win.

    • DC-Dan

      I’d bring in Paul Richardson as a deep threat. We need someone who can take the top off the defense

    • Josh RosenSquinns

      Landry = slot; Crowder = slot.

      We need an outside receiver opposite Docston.

      • Steve Thomas

        Very true.

    • btg

      Jville doesn’t tag Robinson and he needs to be on Redskins1 immediately

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    65, watch these guys.
    https://www.premiershiprugby.com

    • HTTRsince65

      Thanks BC!

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        No problem

    • alex35332

      BTW the US national team I understand is gonna start playing at the new DC United stadium in the next year or so I think.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Our Sevens team is doing much better than our 15’s. I’d go watch them both.

        • alex35332

          Like 65, I’m still trying to learn the game in some ways, but I like the pacing and the vibe of it becuase it’s very football like.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Some teams are more methodical, slowly working up the pitch to get in good position to get a try. Some are run and gun, dumping the ball down field and using a fast wing to score. There is way more to it than first meets the eye. Enjoy

  • alex35332

    It’s hard to belive that Smith played just as long in KC as SF, feels like the first 1/2 of his career was much longer.

    • Steve Thomas

      He played 8 years in SF, 5 in KC.

      • Flounder

        I happy with him as our QB.

      • alex35332

        But 75 starts in both?

        • Steve Thomas

          That was because he didn’t play much in his first year in SF, and then split a season with Kaepernick in 2012.

  • walter_in_fallschurch

    if the eagles and pats* were to play next weekend, who would you pick to win?

    • alex35332

      I still probably pick the Pats, think they win that game 75% of the time, last night was in the other 25%

      • walter_in_fallschurch

        yeah… i’d pick the pats*, too. but, good on the freakin’ eagles for out-smarting and outplaying the pats*. happens very rarely.

  • SCamp

    Good read Steve.

    • HTTRsince65

      Yes, Mr. Steve. TY

  • Josh RosenSquinns

    Scamp, are you talking about the Hamster Kelly?

    • HTTRsince65

      I thought Kelly was female? Shows how little I know.

      • Flounder

        LOL I did to at first.

        • HTTRsince65

          Not that there’s anything wrong with that at all. Just my dumb assumption I guess.

          • SCamp

            Let’s just say he’s an interesting guy, hence the “Kelly” name… and we’ll leave it at that.

          • Josh RosenSquinns

            Its complicated. Transgender. Started off male; switched (or started the process of switching to) female. Depends on which gender s/he is associating with more that day.

          • HTTRsince65

            I respect that! Live and let live…

      • SCamp

        He’s a good dude generally. One of the few hamsters that’s been to my home

    • alex35332

      They got in some debate about universal healthcare on Twitter, started getting childish. Scamp is now arguing about the fight over here.
      Whole things pathetic really.

      • Josh RosenSquinns

        So fighting with Kelly, the hamster, correct?

        • alex35332

          Yes.

      • SCamp

        The only way it got childish is when he took his ball and went home. If you can;t handle your own words being brought up to you… so much so that you have to block someone… maybe you shouldn’t be on Twitter. I didn’t say one nasty word to him until he got so far into his feelings that he felt the need to take a parting shot and then block me so I couldn’t respond.

        • alex35332

          I’m strictly talking about how you were acting on my website. Which is pathetic and childish. Lot of internet bravado which is unmerited.

          • SCamp

            Just because this is “your” website doesn’t make you God hermano. HE was acting childish on Twitter… you stuck your nose into a conversation that had nothing to do with you and whatever you were blabbering on about. I guess that’s what adults do…

    • SCamp

      Yes… he’s generally a good dude and usually has no problem with a political argument. We’ve had plenty… he must be stressed out over the move.

      • Josh RosenSquinns

        I know you two are generally friends; that’s why I was confused.

        • SCamp

          It’s all good. It wasn’t even really that big of a deal. Alex thought he should interject for some reason… but hey, it is what it is

          • alex35332

            I was just pointing out that you are acting like a child.

          • walter_in_fallschurch

            again.

          • SCamp

            Actually that’s simply not true. You started in about “what about cops and firefighters.” You felt the need to take a side. It’s cool… it’s Twitter, it’s a public forum. But that’s not even what the discussion was about… The ONLY point I was making, and he didn’t like, is that we had a discussion on WaPo right before we left… and he plainly said that healthcare was not a right. He said the exact opposite this morning and I reminded him of that.

          • alex35332

            Technically It does make me god on this website, or more like a co-God with the other guys who drive this thing. We just try to be hands off with censoring.

            And I simply pointed out a illogical inconsistency in your argument, on twitter. Because unlike you guys, I can debate politics for hours on end with out getting upset, because political debate it’s something I enjoy doing.

          • SCamp

            I didn’t get upset… Kelly did. Simple as that. It wasn’t even a debate on politics. It really helps to know what you are talking about before getting involved. But hey… you do you. If you wanna get into an argument that you are clueless about and doesn’t involve you that’s your business.

            …and if you think you’re God of anything… well, I must laugh at you

  • Flounder

    Crap what did I miss?

    • Lbsand

      Literally nothing.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Poo

        • Lbsand

          Yeah, I guess that’s something. Eagles fan eating a horse apple.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            From Tide pods to horseshit.

          • HTTRsince65

            2 girls and a cup….still have nightmares

      • Josh RosenSquinns

        I can’t even figure out what Scamp is even talking about?

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    Mr. Steve be like….WTF!??? Rugby? blog fight? Ummm…….Alex Smith? Nice read, Mr. Steve.

    • HTTRsince65

      lmwao!

  • walter_in_fallschurch

    great! scamp’s up here insulting and name-calling. always such a joy.

    • SCamp

      It’s real easy Walter… if you don’t like it block me instead of whining on like some little girl. You cry more than anyone I’ve ever seen… except maybe Kelly

      • walter_in_fallschurch

        ….or… you could just stop insulting and name-calling and behave like an adult.

        • SCamp

          Or you could just block me and stop crying… thing is… you like to cry in public for some reason

  • Josh RosenSquinns

    Scamp, Kelley who?

  • mike5790

    aka… the Urban Meyer Utah

    • Steve Thomas

      Yes.

  • SCamp

    I don’t always get blocked on Twitter…

    But when I do it’s because Kelly is a bitch boy

    • btg

      What’s his problem this morning

      • SCamp

        He didn’t like being shown his own words… which contradicted whatever rant he was on about this morning

    • alex35332

      You are up here complaining about him disagreeing with you makes you just as much of one dude.
      Act like a man.

      • SCamp

        I didn’t block him fuck boy

        • SCamp

          …and show me where I cared that he was disagreeing. All I did was remind him of what he said a few weeks ago… which directly contradicted what he was crying about this morning… because he can;t stop blubbering over Trump. I swear, you libbies need to stop blowing each other and think for yourselves.

        • alex35332

          No you are just complaining, about a political fight on twitter, on another blog.

          Which you didn’t “win”, no one “win’s” a political fight on twitter. Anyone with brains can see it was a stalemate at best.
          It sad, and frankly beneath you that afterwards you felt like you need to try and do some half assed victory lap on another website.

          • SCamp

            I wasn’t trying to win… I let him have it. I didn’t take some parting shot and then block him. Simple is that. I posted it here because I knew he’d see it.

  • AustinSkin
    • mike5790

      I don’t get the joke. the face lighting doesn’t look correct, so is this one of those different head on body photoshops?

      • Back to the good ol daysBruce

        Crying MJ

  • alex35332

    HTTRsince65 • a minute ago

    saw
    some rugby on Saturday, no idea the rules, but those guys are insane.
    all that hitting, no pads..no sllding to avoid contact etc…

    I love watching me some Rugby, casually. Supposedly a US league is been trying to start up for a while now. https://www.usmlr.com/
    I am gonna try and figure out how to catch a game or two on TV, if one of the teams is close enough next year I may try and catch a game.

    • HTTRsince65

      those guys hit and hit and don’t seen to get concussed, or come out of the game. Insane…but I couldn’t stop watching..

      • walter_in_fallschurch

        no helmets makes a guy much less likely to lead with the head….

        • HTTRsince65

          true

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Plenty of concussions in Rugby, they even have a protocol.

        • HTTRsince65

          i would think so, but obviously I haven’t watched enough to know better. Thx

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Do you have that soccer channel, beIN?

          • SCamp

            There’s a soccer channel?

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Yeah

          • HTTRsince65

            honestly, i do not know. i’ll check though

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            They show all the Pro league games from England, Australia too, but that’s not as good.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      US rugby, years from good, decades maybe. Premiership League is where it’s at.

      • SCamp

        They’re playing a lot of it on SoCal

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          That’s good, it’s what it’ll take to become a serious contender.

  • btg

    Wif
    The Philadelphia fan eating horse dung is legit
    Google if you want

  • AustinSkin

    Foist.

    One thing I like about Alex Smith is that he looks off a lot of plays downfield, and uses the pump fake often.