Bruce Allen just might be a better drafter than Scot McCloughan

January 10, 2018

by Steve Thomas

Was Bruce Allen more successful at the draft than Scot McCloughan? Maybe. Photo credit: Thomas Lawrence

The existence of team president Bruce Allen as an employee of the Washington Redskins franchise is a continuing source of consternation amongst the fanbase, most of whom are fed up, frustrated, and ready to blame the roughly 25 years of mostly mediocre on anyone who presents himself as a viable metaphorical punching bag.  Allen is currently the most obvious punching bag.  I can’t say I blame the fans one bit for the current poisonous atmosphere; it’s been an unpleasant ride, to say the least.  The principal narrative is that Mr. Allen is a bumbledorf at best when it comes to making football decisions, at a worst a career and franchise saboteur, and that he fired/ran off/slandered/smeared the best talent evaluator this franchise has had since the glory days of Bobby Beathard and Joe Gibbs.  Well, around here at The Hog Sty, we like to try and make some objective sense of such a story before we fall head over heels for it (yes, I realize that we’ve preached this very thing on The Hog Sty Podcast many times; don’t burst my bubble – I’m on a roll here).

In that spirit, the principal question presented in this column is this: between Mike Shanahan, Bruce Allen, and Scot McCloughan, who had the most success in the annual college draft?  To approach this with some sense of organization, I have assigned the credit (or the blame) for each draft class as follows:

  • Mike Shanahan: 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013
  • Bruce Allen: 2014, 2017
  • Scot McCloughan: 2015, 2016

One problem that immediately jumps to mind with this setup is that it may or may not be entirely fair and/or accurate to give each man credit for these drafts as I’ve set out.  After all, we all know that the Redskins themselves have told the public that the drafts are a collaborative effort, and we are also aware that the Redskins have previously subscribed to McCloughan’s draft scouting service.  Despite that, the Redskins have definitively gone through the “Shanahan era” with Shanahan as the public face of football operations, the “McCloughan era”, with Scot billed as the principal “football expert”, and then two separate years of Allen flying solo as draft commander, with 2018 right around the corner.  I therefore think it’s fair to evaluate these draft classes in this manner.  You may like it, not like it, or think this entire exercise is a waste of time for the reasons I cited above.  Take it for what you will.

Trust me when I say that I racked my brain trying to come up with a way to mathematically quantify draft success, with the idea that by the end of this exercise, we could have three final numbers that would objectively reveal once and for all who was the best drafter.  Unfortunately, it just wasn’t possible, at least in a way that made sense, was accurate, and didn’t come across like one of PFF’s bogus rankings.  Therefore, I ended up having to approach this in a more of a qualitative methodology rather than a quantitative methodology.  Nevertheless, we can still see some interesting trends in the results.

To get started, I created a spreadsheet[1] with every Redskins draft pick from 2010 through 2017, and listed the following categories: (1) whether the player ever made the active roster, (2) whether the player was cut by the Redskins at any time, (3) whether he was traded, (4) number of games started for the Redskins, (5) number of games played for the Redskins, (6) number of Pro Bowls, (7) number of All-Pro selections (don’t laugh), (8) whether the player was given a second contract by the Redskins after their initial rookie contract period expired (meaning, a player who was on the practice squad but later offered a new active roster contract doesn’t count for these purposes), and (9) whether the player was signed by a new team after he left the Redskins and actually played in games for that team.  I won’t drown you in data by publishing this chart here, so you’ll have to trust me.

Without further ado, where’s what I found:

Mike Shanahan Era

Mike Shanahan drafted a total of 33 players for the Redskins in the 2010, 2011, 2012, and 2013 drafts.  Of those 33 players, nine will have long and productive careers in the NFL: Trent Williams, (2010), Ryan Kerrigan (2011), Jarvis Jenkins (2011), Niles Paul (2011), Kirk Cousins (2012), Keenan Robinson (2012)[2], Alfred Morris (2012), Jordan Reed (2013), and Chris Thompson (2013).  Among that group of 9, Williams, Kerrigan, Paul, Reed, and Thompson all received second contracts from the Redskins and have been long-time contributors, and in the case of Williams and Kerrigan, perennial Pro Bowl-level players.  This group has thusfar produced a total of 12 Pro Bowl appearances and 2 All-Pro selections (both being Trent Williams).

In contrast, six draft picks played 5 or fewer games for Washington and are by any measure considered draft misses:  Dennis Morris (2010), Selvish Capers (2010), Markus White (2011), Jordan Bernstine (2012), Brandon Jenkins (2013), and Jawan Jamison (2013).  I’ll toss Robert Griffin III into this group despite his magical 2012 season and Rookie of the Year award since his time in DC ended in spectacular disaster at a cost of 3 first round picks and 1 second round pick

The remaining 17 players drafted in the Shanahan era ended up somewhere in the middle – productive for a time, to one extent or the other, but were ultimately either cut or not offered a second contract.  I view this group as the “middle” group in terms of draft choices – not terrible, somewhat productive for a time, might have gone either way, but ultimately didn’t work out.  Neither strong hits nor strong misses.

In total, the Shanahan era draft picks started a total of 632 games for the Redskins, or an average of 158 games per draft class.  His clear “hit rate” – meaning, the players who will end up playing long and productive NFL careers divided by the total number of draft picks – was 9 out of 33, or 27%.  His “miss rate” – the clear misses identified above divided by the total number of draft picks – was 7 out of 33, or 21%.

Scot McCloughan Era

Scot McCloughan drafted a total of 17 players for the Redskins in the 2015 and 2016 drafts.  Of those 17 players, 2 from the 2015 draft (Brandon Scherff and Jamison Crowder) are on track to have long and productive NFL careers and are definitive draft hits.  Although the 2016 draft is still fairly recent, Kendall Fuller and Matt Ioannidis appear to be “hits”, with the jury still out on 2016 first round selection Josh Doctson.  This group has produced 2 Pro Bowls, both from Brandon Scherff, and no All Pro selections.

Six players drafted by McCloughan in 2015 and 2016 failed to make the Redskins’ active roster at any point, and are thus clear “misses”: Tevin Mitchell, Evan Spencer, Austin Reiter, Nate Sudfeld, Steven Daniels, and Keith Marshall.  Sudfeld, of course, seems to be fairly well liked in Philadelphia now, and Marshall has been on IR for the better part of his two year NFL career; nonetheless, in terms of NFL productivity, neither player has worked out thusfar for the Redskins.  Kyshoen Jarrett, who showed potential but unfortunately had his career ended by injuries, is also a miss, albeit an unfortunate one.  I will subjectively add Matt Jones to the clear “miss” category, despite him earning a number of starts, since he was cut for performance reasons and was a third round pick who generally failed in his shot to become the Redskins’ franchise back.  Finally, Su’a Cravens, who somewhat infamously left the team for undisclosed and confusing personal reasons in August, 2017, is currently a miss, although his status could change if he eventually returns to the Redskins and becomes productive (which seems unlikely at this juncture).

The remaining 4 players, Preston Smith, Arie Kouandijo, Martrell Spaight, and Josh Doctson, remain open questions in terms of their future with the team.

Neither of McCloughan’s draft classes have reached the end of their rookie contract period yet, and thus have not yet received offers of a second contract.

McCloughan’s draft picks have started a total of 166 games for the Redskins, or an average of 83 games per draft class.  McCloughan’s clear “hit rate” on his draft picks was 4 of 17, or 23.5%.  His clear “miss rate” was 9 of 17, or 53%.

Bruce Allen Era

Bruce Allen, while in charge without Shanahan or McCloughan on staff, drafted a total of 18 players for the Redskins in 2014 and 2017.  Of those 18, Morgan Moses, Spencer Long, Bashaud Breeland, and Ryan Grant from the 2014 draft class have established themselves as draft “hits’ who should have long and productive NFL careers ahead of them. In addition, although the 2017 class obviously has just 1 season under their belts, at a minimum Jonathan Allen and Chase Roullier appear to already have shown that they are on track to have solid NFL futures.  I’ll call those 6 players Allen’s clear draft “hits”.

Morgan Moses has already received a large, multi-year contract extension.  No other player has yet to receive a new contract, although to be fair, the 2014 group just reached the end of their rookie contracts this season.  By all accounts, head coach Jay Gruden wants to offer Grant a new contract.

Allen had three clear draft “misses” in 2014 in Lache Seastrunk, Ted Bolser, and Zach Hocker, none of whom ever made the active roster and were all cut in 2014.  Most unusually, all 10 of the 2017 draft picks saw time on the active roster at some point this season, primarily due to Washington’s catastrophic injury situation, and none have been cut; therefore, none of these picks can be categorized as “draft misses” yet.  Certainly some of these players will end up not working out, but it is too early yet to conclude anything about their futures.

Trent Murphy, a second round pick drafted in 2014, is (generously) in the grey area, although given his drug suspension, things do not look promising for his ultimate success.  The jury is still out on the rest of the 2017 class beyond Allen and Roullier, 8 players in all.

In total, Allen’s 2014 and 2017 draft classes have produced 206 starts for the Redskins, for an average of 103 per class.  His clear “hit rate” on his 2014 and 2017 draft classes was 6 of 17, or 35%.  Allen’s clear “miss rate” was 3 of 17, or 17.6%.  As stated, I expect the “miss rate” to rise over time given the lack of experience in the 2017 class.

Conclusion

I’ll say up front that neither Allen nor McCloughan have drafted even 20 players for Washington and have therefore not produced a large enough sample size of draft picks for a comparison of the three (including Shanahan) to have any sort of formal scientific or statistical reliability.  However, I’m not trying to prove anything to any degree of reliability.  All we can do for these purposes is look at the data presented and reach the best possible objective conclusion.  Furthermore, as stated above, it might not be completely fair or accurate to simplistically assign the credit and/or blame for draft classes to these three men in the manner I have done.  I do, though, stand by the concept of the Shanahan Era, the McCloughan Era, and the Allen Era as a valid comparative construct.  In addition, all draft picks can’t be weighted equally; a hit or miss on a top 5 pick isn’t the same as a hit or miss on a 6th round pick.  What I’ve done here is to take as simple a look as possible at the draft history for these eight years.

That having been said, by the simplest measures, clear draft “hits” and clear draft “misses”, Allen comes out ahead in both:

  • Allen: Clear hit rate: 35%; Clear miss rate: 17.6%
  • McCloughan: Clear hit rate: 23.5%; Clear miss rate: 53%
  • Shanahan: Clear hit rate: 27%; Clear miss rate: 21%

In a general sense, Shanahan found three players with elite, Pro Bowl-level talent in Trent Williams, Ryan Kerrigan, and Jordan Reed. McCloughan found one who appears to be on that track in Brandon Scherff.  Allen’s two classes, while producing the most “hits”, generally, has failed to find an elite-level prospect as did both Shanahan and McCloughan, although it seems likely that 2017 first rounder Jonathan Allen will find himself in a Pro Bowl or two at some point.

The most undeniable fact out of all of this information is that McCloughan’s picks ended up being misses at a much higher rate than either Shanahan or Allen.

So what does this mean for Redskins fans in terms of the draft?  At a bare minimum, it seems apparent that Scot McCloughan was not as successful as some fans believe, and that Bruce Allen was not the disaster that his reputation bears, at least in terms of draft success.  In fact, a valid argument can be made that Allen produced better draft results than did McCloughan.

The other part to this discussion needs to be free agency success (or lack thereof), which is a whole other topic that is beyond the scope of this column.  If enough of you show interest via comments, I might tackle that project as a separate column during this offseason.

What do you think? Let us know in the comment section below.

 

 

[1] Data courtesy of www.pro-football-reference.com and www.wikipedia.com.

[2] Robinson might be a bit of a shaky inclusion, but I’ll go ahead and give it to him. If the Giants cut him and he’s out of the NFL, his status could change.

  • Dave

    Finally coming to the party on the hogsty site. Excellent article Steve as I’ve mentioned before in the offseason on Twitter and I believe to you guys as well that Allen certainly has been much better here than his Oak/TB tenures. He gets a bad rap for his “Tampa ties” hir s rightfully so but it’s appeared to me he’s learned to surround himself with much better evaluators. This may also be what stemmed to the Bruce/Scot mess too as Scot may have wanted to alter the scouting department more than Bruse wanted him to do.

  • Kelly
  • kon, for now

    The Fritz Pollard Alliance sure is one useless alliance.

  • alex35332

    http://www.thehogsty.com/2018/01/11/the-deuce/
    This weeks podcast is up Sueeeeeey

    • Flounder

      So are we posting on that or staying here?

      • alex35332

        I’m not gonna tell people what to do.

        • Kelly

          If it’s got a comment section, beep us over 😛

          • alex35332

            Then Beep

  • Kelly

    Kirk’s gonna be 30 by the time next season starts. Let that sink in a bit.

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    So I’m trying to upload an image but keep getting a message that says “you must be logged in to upload an image”. I totally feel like I’m logged in right now.

    • Kelly

      Have you tried logging in? Then try uploading an image. If it tells you to log in, then try logging in. Then uploading.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Yeah, I logged out, logged in again, same same.

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          I may have to check all my account settings. Photo bucket is plan B.

          • Kelly

            Imgur has been good for me.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Ok

  • Zig-Zag_BC
    • Kelly

      LOL

  • kon, for now

    lol. The bog has a piece about how Vernon Davis thinks NFL players would love the game curling if they knew more about it. Also, the Redskins page has something up about Darrell Green.

    Meanwhile, over at TI……

  • kon, for now

    How is it not Friday?

    I demand a recount. In the meantime…..coffee!

    • Kelly

      Mornin’ bud

  • Kelly

    Newborns do not give one fuck about sleep schedules. Morning peeps.

    • Flounder

      Nope they sure don’t, teenagers don’t either.

      • Kelly

        Word

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Morning

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    Try again tomorrow, later taters.

    • Lbsand

      Copy that. I’m out too.

  • SCamp

    Good night folks.

  • Lbsand

    Wife and I enjoyed Last Jedi tonight, better the second time round.

  • Lbsand

    The thing that really bugs me about the demise of TI was not a peep of it from WaPo. Last I heard, not even a response to the tweets noone sent.

  • Lbsand

    A neat post would be an update on all the injured Skins. Although I recognize that info might be hard to mine.

    • SCamp

      All of them

      • Lbsand

        Be a loooong post.

        • SCamp

          No… it was a very short post. All of them are injured

          • Lbsand

            *waving hand over head* Imma a little slow tonight.

          • SCamp

            It’s late

          • SCamp

            Theres a little picture icon at the bottom of your comment box… there it is

  • Lbsand

    Zig-Zag_BC • an hour ago
    Yo Sand, you up?
    ____________________
    Just logged back on. Did the dinner-n-a-movie thing with Mrs. Sand.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Hope y’all had fun.
      I can’t find the SD card with the camera picks of him feeding but I do have this one I took on my phone out of my window. This is a couple hours after he fed.

      • Lbsand

        No sweat, look forward to the phone pic sometime. I have some cool pics to share later too.

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          I’m trying to upload it. It won’t work.

          • Lbsand

            Yeah, figured so. I might need a tutorial to post a few, but will try a couple tomorrow.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            It gets ¾ of the way and just sits.

          • SCamp

            Theres a little picture icon at the bottom of your comment box… there it is!

          • Lbsand

            Ah! Thanks scamp.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            I know, it’s not uploading.

  • Zig-Zag_BC
    • Zig-Zag_BC

      WaPo communication workers picket.

      • Lbsand

        Glad were not the only ones protesting. Now we’re celebrating.

      • SCamp

        That’s from last year

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          November 15, 2017 is less than two months ago…..
          The article states that they picketed on the 14th, which is the day before, I assume.

  • Wahoo

    This is a test.

    • SCamp

      test good

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Affirmative Wahoo, you are transmitting…over

  • Steve Thomas

    Test comment

    • Big Buck64

      Looking right at you

  • Sean

    Testing, nothing to see here.

  • Sean

    Testing, nothing to see here.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Radio Colorado………you are transmitting, over.

      • Sean

        Thanks! Very glad to have you here!

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Fantastic blog y’all have created!

          • Sean

            That means a ton. Let us know what kinds of content you’d like to see and we’ll do our best.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            I have no complaints.

        • SCamp

          Yep… diggin’ it. Good work

  • noonefromtampa

    The Washington Post suspended star reporter Joel Achenbach for 90 days without pay on Wednesday for “inappropriate workplace conduct” involving current and former female colleagues.

    Achenbach’s suspension begins immediately and is the most severe punishment handed out to a member of the newsroom “in recent years for violations of its workplace or journalistic standards,” the paper announced.
    ==============================================================
    maybe the whole staff is in sexual harassment training

    • SCamp

      They all look strictly asexual to me

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Did you post that on the dead zone formally known as TI? Probably goes without saying, right?

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    Yo Sand, you up?

  • Big Buck64

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eh2PjkzW20w

    Rodney Carrington , i love this guy

    • Big Buck64

      unstrap your bra and set them puppies free

  • HTTRsince65

    Jesus was brown skin by the way! Not the super white skin blue eyed blonde haired man I’ve seen in churches growing up LOL

    • SCamp

      Wait… you mean to tell me he was born in the middle East? NO WAY!!!

      • HTTRsince65

        you are hysterical! So funny my friend.

        • SCamp

          …but looks aren’t everything right?

  • HTTRsince65

    I don’t have a problem discussing race. we will all be some variation of brown at some point

    • SCamp

      I live in SoCal… I’m certainly some shade of brown now…

      • HTTRsince65

        I know what you mean my friend. Summertime I get real dark.

  • HTTRsince65

    HTTR

  • SCamp

    I just checked out that Kimberley Martin lady from WaPo and I’m glad we left that place. Prepare for some agenda driven garbage articles…

    • Rick Deez

      SCamp…why are you afraid of articles and dialogue about race?

      • SCamp

        Yea… I NEVER get involved in those. I prefer them not mixed with my football

        (can you see me rolling my eyes at you… because I am… bigly)

        • Rick Deez

          Ahhh…ok, gotcha.

          • SCamp

            If you want to have a discussion on race I’d be happy to engage you over on The Rag… I have pledged to stay strictly un political, un attack mode, and un trolling here. That means no politics, no religion, and no race talk.

          • HTTRsince65

            can we talk about boobs? 🙂

          • SCamp

            Boobs are fun… and you can talk about whatever you like. My self imposed restrictions in no way limit your topics of discussions.

            (as long as you don’t show us your boobs)

          • Big Buck64

            See above

          • Rick Deez

            Fair enough. That’s cool

          • SCamp

            I like this place too much to drag it into The Rag level.

      • noonefromtampa

        she’s got time to complain about racism but not time enough to post an article about the team she allegedly covers

    • HTTRsince65

      Good riddance!

  • Rick Deez
    • Big Buck64

      classic

  • SCamp
  • kon, for now
    • SCamp

      I DVR’d this a while ago… waiting for the offseason when I’m jonesing for foozball to watch it

  • etrod

    Panthers hired Norv to call plays

    • Big Buck64

      He was not good in his last gig with the Vikings .

      • etrod

        Nope. The game may have passed him by

        • Big Buck64

          I would have hunted down Bevell like a dog

          • WHY3

            Yeah, me too. That guy seemed to get how to make the best of questionable talent (except at QB).

          • SCamp

            Wanted him interviewed when Jay was hired.

          • WHY3

            I know this is going to sound like 20/20 hindsight, but I really wanted Mike Zimmer for the job. It would have been nice to have a defensive-minded HC.

          • SCamp

            Yep.

          • Big Buck64

            They need that now .

  • WHY3

    Seahawks fire OC Darrell Bevell, oline coach Tom Cable, and possibly DC Kris Richardson. After one season of barely missing out of the playoffs.

    I mean there’s accountability and there’s going overboard. They could be headed for disaster next year as their defense ages and their oline continues to suck.

    • Big Buck64

      Those are some big names with proven track records

      • WHY3

        Agreed. Could be a genius move. But just as likely, I think, disaster.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Hey hey!

      • WHY3

        This place is happenin’!

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Yes Sir, El Capitan (Alex) fixed us up.

    • etrod

      Lots of roster turnover coming too

  • noonefromtampa

    reached out to Cindy Boren and Keith McMillian about what is going on (or not going on) no response yet from either of them
    must be some sort of major shake-up going on

    • Big Buck64

      1st of the year , if it was going to happen , i guess now is the time

  • noonefromtampa

    Kimberley Martin outraged that Raiders did not comply with Rooney rule
    but can’t write a new Redskins article

    • SCamp

      I don’t even know who that is.

      • frediefritz

        WaPo writer from Buffalo, who supposedly took over TI

        • SCamp

          Like I said… and at this point no one gives a shit

          • Big Buck64

            Think Master T .

          • SCamp

            Master Turd

    • Big Buck64

      Seen her twitter feed before . Everything’s about race . I’ll say no more . Raiders have a black GM by the way .

      • Rick Deez

        She’s fine tho!

        • SCamp

          Well that makes it okay!!!

          • Rick Deez

            absolutely

        • Big Buck64

          She is good looking as hell , i agree

    • etrod

      The black GM didn’t comply with the Rooney rule.

      Nice.

  • Rick Deez

    Darrell Young has a new gig working with the NFL in the league office

    • alex35332

      Good for DY!

  • Big Buck64

    Majority of fans are starting to get sick of it ,I would bet . I think they would rather move on , then have another 1 year deal . I like the hell out of the guy , but not that much . There would be life after KC .

    • Big Buck64

      The show will go on .

      • HTTRsince65

        of course the show will go on. Barnum and Bailey!

        • SCamp

          Whoops… bad example.

      • etrod

        My makeup may be flaking, my smile still stays on

    • SCamp

      I know I’m sick of it

    • Flounder

      More importantly Jay said he is done with this he wants this finished one way or the other.

      • Big Buck64

        I saw that .

      • SCamp

        Unfortunately for Jay he doesn’t call those shots

        • Big Buck64

          Got to be mind boggling aggravation for a coach . Any coach . I don’t know how he’s dealt with it this long without losing it .

        • Flounder

          True but I’m glad he spoke up.

          • SCamp

            He’s never really seemed to have a problem doing that

    • frediefritz

      It’s just not a good way to run an organization. Make him an offer, see if he will counteroffer. If not, let him be a free agent. Move on, use the cap space, strengthen the D, get a dynamic wr and another good rb.

      • Big Buck64

        I agree . This shit can’t go on . I respect what he has done but it ain’t the end of the world .Like you said , build a defense for once .

        • frediefritz

          People are saying we have to pay him, that we can’t compete without KC. I say BS! There are other ways to compete. Look what Jags did with BB! My gawd, BB is terrible!

          • Big Buck64

            Look at the Vikings . Keenum wasn’t even considered average before

          • SCamp

            Anomoly

  • etrod

    Avatar
    Rick Deez
    32 minutes ago
    I was an organ donor for years…not anymore.

    ———–

    Switched to pianos?

  • Rick Deez

    Cooley tries to keep his opinion and analysis on Cousins even….Sheehan’s view is we haven’t had a QB in 25 years so we should pay him what he wants.

    • Flounder

      Yeah easy to say when you don;t have to worry about the rest of the team or the future of the team. Also what Kirk wants is a bidding war.

      • Big Buck64

        I think he wants the opportunity to possibly go to a better situation team wise . Which means he really doesn’t want to be in DC . I don’t think its completely about the highest dollar amount . I’m taking him at his word until he proves otherwise .He could be lying his ass off about the money , but up until now he seems like a fairly honest person .

        • Flounder

          Yeah not many teams with a better situation are looking for a QB.

          • Big Buck64

            Not many . Two maybe .

  • Flounder

    Kirk wants to be the show pony and have everyone loving him and bidding on him and he is going to hit FA’s to make sure that happens.

    • etrod

      I can relate

      • SCamp

        Wait… you’re a prostitute?

        • etrod

          A man’s gotta eat, you know

        • SCamp

          Sure, sure

  • Rick Deez

    I’ve never seen two radio hosts shill for one player like Sheehan and Paulson do for Kirk.

    • etrod

      It makes you question whether they’re wearing pants whole taking about him.

    • Flounder

      Sheehan beats off to a poster of kirk every night.

      • etrod

        Don’t we all

        • SCamp

          Yep

          -Hope

    • SCamp

      I’m sure glad I can’t listen to DC area radio…

  • Flounder

    I mean if your the FO’s and Jay says I want to keep all my coaches what do you do?

  • Rick Deez

    The telling comment was from Kirk’s own father. He said Kirk wasn’t gonna sign a deal for ANY amount of money the Redskins put in front of him. That’s telling.

    • Flounder

      Right because no matter what they offer he can get more in FA’s.

    • walter_in_fallschurch

      given lots of wagons, why would you want to hitch your wagon to this one?

      • Flounder

        He is going to hitch his wagon to the highest bidder and that wagon might be a team far worse than us.

      • SCamp

        I’m sure there are a few reasons… the least of which is that anyone hurting for a high dollar QB is likely to be in worse shape than us. Unless it’s Jacksonville

        • Flounder

          Yeah not to mention he knows this offense inside and out and it is perfect for his game.

        • SCamp

          Snyder is going to throw money at him… you watch.

      • walter_in_fallschurch

        i totally, completely hope he hitches his wagon here.

  • Rick Deez

    Only tag Kirk if you have a trade partner….if not let him walk and fire Bruce Allen.

  • Rick Deez

    If the Browns want Kirk…they can have him…but kindly deposit that #4 overall pick please.

    • Scamp

      Trade for a FA? Sure… they’re the Browns, I’m sure they can be talked into it.

      • Rick Deez

        Tag and trade

        • SCamp

          Sure… they’ll pay a #4 pick for a 1 year deal.

          Come on Rick… you gotta do better than that

          Also, I thought they picked #5

          • etrod

            There has to be an agreement in place where Kirk will sign a LTD. Basically a lot of tampering has to take place before anything happens

          • SCamp

            Why wouldn’t Kirk just sign the LTD with said team? Then he’d KNOW they were getting 2 top 5ers along with him.

          • etrod

            If the skins franchise him then he can’t.

          • Big Buck64

            I think that’s what happened with Jimmy G , i could be wrong , but i believe it is.

          • SCamp

            Don’t think Jimmy was tagged

          • Big Buck64

            No , but he is a FA next year . I don’t think they would give a 2nd for him , if he wasnt gonna sign a deal with them . Right ?

          • SCamp

            I would hope not…

  • noonefromtampa

    good news, bad news situation

    Drug overdoses contribute to record number of organ donations

    • Scamp

      Who wants a drug ravaged colon?

      • etrod

        *timidly raises hand*

    • Rick Deez

      I was an organ donor for years…not anymore.

      • Scamp

        Scared they were going to come for them before you actually died?

        • Rick Deez

          Yup

          • etrod

            If you ain’t waking up in a tub of ice then you ain’t trying.

            Or something

          • SCamp

            I hear Tijuana is nice this time of year

  • Flounder

    Some of the meat heads on 980 were saying that because we’re not firing coaches were not doing anything to get better. I still think there is time to fire a coach or two if needed.

    • Rick Deez

      Other than Kotwica, who would you fire?

      • Scamp

        Wide Receiver coach… believe it’s Ike Hilliard

        • Rick Deez

          Allen took 2, 1000 yard WR’s from him.

        • SCamp

          Sure he did… but first round pick didn’t seem to improve and Crowder regressed. Granted Grant seemed to improve

      • Scamp

        …maybe RB coach as well.

    • Steve Thomas

      It’s funny you guys bring that up, because it’s an agenda item for the next show, which will be released tomorrow.

      • Flounder

        I mean I’m not saying they shouldn’t but I still think there is time.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Yeah, Mr. Pee cup needs to ……..
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs_OacEq2Sk

  • Flounder

    Looks like Seattle is clearing house on their offensive coaches.

    • smokey

      I think their little Legion of Doom, or Boom–or whatever, run is done. Hey, gotta give them credit though…they were good for a spell.

      • Flounder

        Yeah

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    Oops. Note to self: don’t do that again.

  • Flounder
    • Flounder

      The Stunner

  • Rick Deez

    Kyle Kelly‏
    @KyleKellyCLE
    Follow Follow @KyleKellyCLE
    More
    .@AlbertBreer said on @923TheFan: “Kirk Cousins would seriously consider the #Browns” if the opportunity presented itself.

    • Scamp

      Sure he would. He’d “consider” anything.

    • Flounder

      I think he would consider any team that wants to bid the highest for him in FA’s.

  • noonefromtampa

    The only good Eagles involved Glenn Frey and Don Henley

  • HTTRsince65

    Nacho hippo is so overrated imo

  • Flounder
  • Scamp

    711 comments in one day. Nice work hamsters!

  • noonefromtampa

    and you don’t have to eat cookies a lot to play here

  • etrod

    This is kinda like a cyber version of Cheers . For the record I am Sam Malone
    ————

    I call Eddie LeBec!

    • Scamp

      Funny, I kinda thought of you as Carla

      • etrod

        I’m sure that’s a compliment

        • SCamp

          Why would you take it any other way?

  • smokey

    Gun be some good football this weekend. I would truly love to see PHI and NE go down.

    • Lbsand

      Not sure which would make me happier. So let’s try both.

      • Scamp

        Easily the Eagles… no contest. Fuck the Eagles

        • Squinns

          Yeah, Fugg ’em in the pigeon hole!

        • etrod

          With a sideways pineapple

    • Big Buck64

      Yeah and they are coming to and end . I hate that .

    • walter_in_fallschurch

      this weekend and last weekend are my favorite 2 football weeks of the year. 4 great games with consequences.

  • Lbsand

    Almost time to head out and see ‘last jedi’ for the second time. Hoping I like it a bit better this time round, which is often the case. Expectations were too high the first go…but it’s to loooooooooooong either way. Could take 20 minutes out of the middle and no one would notice.

    • btg

      It’s based on a true story
      No?

      • Lbsand

        As far as we know.

      • Squinns

        Prove that it isn’t.

        • Big Buck64

          what’s up dooshbag ?

          • Squinns

            Good evening, assmunch. Having a tasty snack?

          • Squinns

            And why I went out of his way to help your sorry ash been setting up an account for you to take over, I’ll never know!

          • Big Buck64

            you might regret that .

    • Lbsand

      They shoulda call it ‘Second to the Last of the Jedi’.

      • noonefromtampa

        well technically Rey did not receive any training from a Jedi Master so she is not really a Jedi, just a strong Force sensitive warrior

  • smokey

    Big Buck64 • 9 minutes ago

    This is kinda like a cyber version of Cheers . For the record I am Sam Malone
    ———————————–
    Nah Buck…I see you more as Alfalfa from Little Rascals.

    • Big Buck64

      If I’m Alfalfa then your ass is Spanky

      • smokey

        ILol

    • AustinSkin

      True story: Buckwheat converted to Islam
      His new name became Kareem O’Wheat

      • Big Buck64

        If you don’t laugh at that , you have no sense of humor .

    • Scamp

      I have been calling NPI Mayday Malone for years…

  • AustinSkin

    Talk about a buzzkill. The huge CES conference in Las Vegas went dark with a power outage.

    • mike5790

      they all got together and decided that mining bitcoins was a better use of their time than innovation

  • Big Buck64

    This is kinda like a cyber version of Cheers . For the record I am Sam Malone . I’ll leave it to ya’ll to determine who Cliff is .

  • noonefromtampa

    next up, figuring out how get badges added

    LOL

    • Lbsand

      Badges?! Badges? yadayadayada, you know the rest.

    • mike5790

      I actually had two of them before I started quoting Fletch without proper attribution. Ban hammer!!! (twice)

      Obviously neither were for sports (or weather).

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        fire building, corn shucking?

    • Lbsand

      Helmet stickers.

      • Lbsand

        That would be HS unique.

      • frediefritz

        Most of us don’t have helmuts

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      You get an old radio antenna badge.
      upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a6/Dipole_xmting_antenna_animation_4_408x318x150ms.gif

  • HTTRsince65

    How is everyone’s Wednesday going?

    • Lbsand

      Fine as frog hair. X-mas lights and decorations down and stored. Go down faster than up, that’s for sure.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Mine are unplugged and 50% down, lol

    • Big Buck64

      about like Tuesday, slow and uneventful.

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    Tanner Lee…………. Makes me think of Stagger Lee, lol

    • mike5790

      well, he isn’t very mobile

  • AustinSkin

    Texas D vs. TCU. Poona is #95. You will see what I’m talking about.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElLyl4tFmLI

  • Steve Thomas

    Okay, I’ve gotten a few comments on Twitter about wanting to see the free agency version of this column, plus a couple here, so I’ll tackle it in the next few weeks.

    • Scamp

      You gotta love a blog handler that listens…

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Thanks!

  • smokey

    “It would not surprise me,” Arians said when asked by Cowherd if Saban might be considering one of the NFL head coaching vacancies. “There’s a job he covets and it just happens to be open… The Giants.”

    • MJ45

      That door closed

      • MJ45

        Disregard

    • walter_in_fallschurch

      i have a hard time imagining why he would want a different job, like i do with jon gruden. nfl head coach is among the hardest jobs out there. i guess if you think you can do it….

      • alex35332

        I totally understand, you’ve already shown you’re unmatched at 1 level, go to another level to prove it there.

        So many say that what makes a great NCAA coach is different from a great NFL coach which is why so few can succeed at both.

        • walter_in_fallschurch

          didn’t he “fail” at nfl head coaching years ago? i guess that’s why. he is never, ever going to have thw talent advantage he has at alabama in the nfl.

          • Scamp

            He did… but so did The Long Face in Seattle so…

      • mike5790

        NFL head coach is not the hustle that NCAA is. You basically do everything an NFL HC does, but you’ve got a second full time job as recruiter. And you’re not recruiting this year, you’re recruiting now and a few years (at least 1) ahead

    • Flounder

      Not happening

      • Flounder

        He is a God at Bama will never leave.

        • smokey

          Probly right Flounder. Take into consideration how much he’s being paid at Bama…this piece is from May 2017:
          ———————————————
          Alabama football coach Nick Saban will be paid $11.125 million this season under a three-year contract extension that includes a $4 million signing bonus approved Tuesday by the university board of trustees’ compensation committee.

          Altogether, the eight-year deal running through Jan. 31, 2025, is scheduled to pay Saban $65 million, not including incentive bonuses that could total $700,000 each year.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Aaaaaannd, now it will

        • Flounder

          Not

    • Big Buck64

      He’s made so much money , if he did go to the NFL , it would be a just to prove he can do it thing , in my opinion . I don’t see it as a money issue . I don’t think he’s going anyplace . He’s the king of the world in Alabama.

  • noonefromtampa

    so over 2000 comments in under 3 days

  • smokey

    I went to TI and cut the cheese and ran.

    • alex35332

      crop
      dust
      er

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Lol

    • AustinSkin

      Huevos Rancheros farts are the worst.

      • alex35332

        But the process of making them is good.

      • smokey

        Especially if you had beer the night before.

  • AustinSkin

    Round 1 Pick 13: DaRon Payne, DT, Alabama (A+)
    Round 2 Pick 12: Mason Rudolph, QB, Oklahoma State (B+)
    Round 3 Pick 14: Ross Pierschbacher, OG, Alabama (A)
    Round 4 Pick 13: Troy Fumagalli, TE, Wisconsin (B+)
    Round 5 Pick 12: Poona Ford, DT, Texas (A)
    Round 6 Pick 14: Bo Scarbrough, RB, Alabama (A)
    Round 7 Pick 13: Bryce Bobo, WR, Colorado (A+)

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    I love this blog…….
    It’s my kinda place…….
    Just typin’ in my password, puts a big smile on my face…
    No cover charge, come as you are, hmm hmm hmm…….I love this blog……

  • AustinSkin

    Posted this on TI a while back, but I am really intrigued to see where Poona Ford lands in the NFL draft.

    IMO, he is the most underrated DT in the draft, despite being named Big 12 DL of the year. At 6’0″ even, 309lbs. he gets criticized for not being tall enough. But with a wide thick base, he gets leverage and is hard to budge.

    But he has an 80″ wingspan. That’s 4″ less than Calvin Johnson (Megatron). He uses his long arms to fight off Offensive linemen, and has mean swim/rip moves that enables him to knife into the backfield. Some comparisons have been drawn to another ex-Longhorn, Casey Hampton.

    I think his combine will be average at best. With arms that long, I don’t expect him to do massive reps on the bench press. I’m not even sure what his straight line speed will be.

    The only way he can really be evaluated is by looking at his tape, and it’s an impressive body of work. He just doesn’t give up or take plays off. In his final bowl game vs. Missouri, he blew up the OL all game long.

    I’m thinking he will fall somewhere between rounds 3-5.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      I’m down with Poona.

    • mike5790

      Round 4: Tanner Lee
      Round 5: P Ford

  • Big Buck64

    This blog is the bomb .

  • noonefromtampa

    Top-rated WR Calvin Ridley declares for NFL draft

    • frediefritz

      No surprise there. He’ll go in first round. Hard to pass up those numbers

  • frediefritz

    Mike Pettine is the Packers’ defensive coordinator. Philbin, 56, was the Packers’ offensive coordinator under coach Mike McCarthy from 2007-2011, has been rehired by Pack as OC

  • AustinSkin
    • Zig-Zag_BC

      God, I love this blog.

      • walter_in_fallschurch

        love me some who, stones, yes, traffic, but please… the dead was jerry. i credit bob with being the most awesome ever “canvas provider” for jerry.

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Yes, I agree. It’s just the word play that worked.

          Also, I’m not looking for a fight with you, Walter. We do have common ground. Peeps like me are stuck between environmental activists and dipshit shoot anything that moves guys, plus big timber. It makes us a little edgy. Peace

          • walter_in_fallschurch

            that’s my point about common ground. we may have other political differences, but we agree, at least philosophically, (damn regulations aside….) about preserving the environment.

          • walter_in_fallschurch

            peace

        • walter_in_fallschurch

          they worked so well together, and bob was great at being background. there were always a few songs every concert where we had to hear the “bob song”. bless his heart.

  • frediefritz

    Good article about building team by Keim. He looks at how NO and MN have structured their teams.

    http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/35354/vikings-saints-provide-different-blueprints-for-redskins-to-follow-with-kirk-cousins

    • Big Buck64

      That’s actually encouraging

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Either/or strategies, thanks.

    • frediefritz

      The Saints had by far the highest “approximate value” rating of any draft class in the NFL this year — a measurement devised by Pro Football Reference to compare players of all positions. According to ESPN Stats and Information, the Saints’ total AV of 43 was 15 points higher than the second-place San Francisco 49ers. And it was the second-highest AV of the past five years, behind only the 2016 Dallas Cowboys’ 45, led by Dak Prescott and Ezekiel Elliott.

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    k0n, did you copy/paste a comment from here to beat the WaPo bot?

    • kon, for now

      Mayyy-be

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Fucking wizard…..smh

        • Big Buck64

          I schooled him .

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            And a fine teacher you are!

  • noonefromtampa

    some people want to sign Bad Bad Leroy Brown
    others want to sign Slim

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Looking down the road……Slim.

  • Different_Cat

    Bama RB Damien Harris returning for senior season.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Dammit

    • Lbsand

      Good move for him. Will improve his draft position I’d think.

      • alex35332

        Only reason to not do it is he probably sees this draft is deep on offense so he could drop into the 2nd round.

        • Lbsand

          Yeah, a lot of RB’s too.

  • Squinns

    When are we re-signing Pryor? Next year is his year, I swear!

  • Rick Deez

    The Chesapeake is still not “there” but has seen positive results of conservation. Striped Bass populations are up, oyster beds are coming back, and crab populations are rising.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      It was on the brink

      • alex35332

        Some species are still having serious issues as I understand it.

        • Lbsand

          Definitely. There have been some wins, so much work left to do.

    • Lbsand

      Took significant harvest restrictions and moratoriums that were not exactly popular with the waterman. Which was a little puzzling, extirpating the species you rely on.

      • Lbsand

        And water quality is still a real problem. The Bay has been getting “D” and “D-” grades based exclusively on water quality. Farm run-off the biggest culprit.

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    Alex, “I mean, there’s a lot of logic to it, think about the old naturalists who pioneered environmentalism in the 1800’s and 1900’s. They were all avid outdoorsmen, and understood the harmony of protecting nature and natural spaces goes with those sports.”

    A lot of that was due to the wide fucking open deforestation during that time period. Most country folks respect and understand critters better than the college types that come out to study them. Our biggest problem (besides loggers) are the “trailer park” hunters that flock to the national forest during firearm season, retarded, littering, destroying fools.

    • walter_in_fallschurch

      this is a thing.

      it is an easy way to unite crazy liberal tree-hugging environmentalists (me) with hunters and so forth. you need a healthy ecosystem to support fishing, hunting etc…

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        This is the thing, you’re not respecting the people who’s family has been there for generations (and could put you on the bird you seek in 5 minutes, if they were so inclined) with that attitude.

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          “hunters and so forth…….” LMFAO

        • walter_in_fallschurch

          wtf?!?! i’m trying to find common ground. i will never, ever go hunting. but i have friends who do. and the simple fact, insults or not, is that you need an healthy ecosystem to support hunting. damn, dude. looking for a fight?

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            No shit, Walter. These people are actually part of the ecosystem.

          • Lbsand

            ^ Bingo, bc. An integral part. Not someone who lives 300 miles away and has a Sierra Club sticker on his SUV.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            And we turn in poachers and assholes to the game warden. Come call me a snitch, HA! I dare you! I have 30 quarts of canned venison in my ice box (wood heat will break the seal). All legally harvested, substance.

          • Lbsand

            The only thing I’d call you is a responsible sportsman who takes that responsibility seriously. Kudos!

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Back at you, Sand.

    • alex35332

      Oh I get it, I’ve got my families cabin in the Adirondack Mountains which were destroyed by the deforestation of the logging companies at that time. It took making these places national parks and state parks to save them. I want to see those places protected as much as anyone.

  • AustinSkin

    Redskins sign Kenny Ladler, DB to reserve/futures contract:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqFlx85O0Eg

    • alex35332

      Austin, we talked about it yesterday 🙂

      • AustinSkin

        These comments are rolling by too fast. That’s on you 😉

  • Back to the good ol daysBruce

    With the elder Gruden going back to coaching what former returning coaches had a successful return to the NFL? By successful I mean serious success in playoffs. Gruden will have almost a ready made team. For $100M is it super bowl or bust for him right out of the gate?

    • mike5790

      Dang, got fired after 1 season.
      *Folds up $100 million bill in wallet, walks out*

  • Lbsand

    Pretty cool: I counted 47 Bald eagles today around Occoquan Bay, a good number. Very little open water anywhere, and the two small areas were packed with coot and ducks. The eagles taking advantage of the concentrated prey.

    • alex35332

      There was a time not all that long ago where 47 bald eagles in 1 place would have been a significant % of the Bald Eagles left in the USA.

      • Lbsand

        Indeed…excepting Florida and Alaska where they were never even listed. The recovery nationwide has been remarkable.

    • walter_in_fallschurch

      lb,
      i see one or two of them over lake barcroft every time i go there. they’re spectacular.

      • Lbsand

        Yes, Burke Lake too. In fact, the island in that lake has had an active nest for a couple of years now.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        We have one on the ridge behind my house, I leave gut piles out for him/her.

        • Lbsand

          Put a trail cam on a deer carcass in the winter and prepare to be amazed!

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            I’ll dig up the pictures of the Thanksgiving feast I gave him last year and post it on this here fancy blog

          • Lbsand

            Love to see it.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Will do

          • Big Buck64

            That’s cool .

  • Rick Deez

    Grant Paulsen

    Verified account

    @granthpaulsen
    12m12 minutes ago
    More
    My plan at WR: I’m signing Marqise Lee and Paul Richardson. Re-upping with Ryan Grant on cheap. That’d be a terrific group and wouldn’t break bank.

    • Bad Reputation

      Good plan. I like Grant’s ideas.

    • alex35332

      Not too different from my plan.
      Agree on re-signing Grant, he can be had for the minimum.
      But the 2 free agents I’d go after are Watkins and Mike Wallace, an older vet to provide leadership & stability and a young up and coming player.

      • Rick Deez

        I’d go after John Brown.

  • Rick Deez
  • Zig-Zag_BC

    Big Buck64 alex35332 • 13 minutes ago
    and the numbers are dwindling in traditional rural counties , where hunting is big . Va Game and Fish put new restrictions on the harvest this year . People complaining they arent seeing any deer . Weird . I guess the deer prefer more modern conveniences
    _________________________________________
    Not a problem out here. We can get damage stamps, urban archery, still have six on the big game. I passed, at the very least, 10 deer on the way to work today. One SS Doe tried to make a play, I swerved at her and she wiffed.

    • Lbsand

      Numbers are stable up around my camp. The biggest change in the last 10 years has been the antler restrictions. Average rack and body mass of the bucks has gone up dramatically. This is ‘mountain deer’ country, very little Ag.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        I’m also in that type of geography. Peeps cannot run dogs for deer, only bear (which I don’t think is fair for the bear). Rockbridge had a earn a buck thing a few years back, that’s over now. Only thing around here that’s rare is the fox squirrel.

    • Big Buck64

      been down around here . went back to the old “doe days ” method . I don’t go like i once did but i hear all the scuttlebutt. Then again your bigger clubs had been killing four and five hundred deer a year until the last few seasons .Dog hunting is king in these parts though . makes a huge difference .

      • Big Buck64

        Now with the GPS collars , they were killing huge numbers . Probably there own fault .

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Yes

          • Big Buck64

            They’re gonna keep pushing the ethical boundaries, and the state is going to outlaw dog hunting . Watch and see.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            I know you grew up with it, I’m totally fine with it if they do. Too many reckless motherfuckers.

          • Big Buck64

            always

          • Big Buck64

            Va has a situation where rural land is slowly being sold off to a more wealthy class of people from up north . They don’t give a shit about heritage or dog hunting . They don’t want that going across their land . They have big money , so you know how that will eventually go down.

          • Big Buck64

            Va dog hunting alliance . google that , it tells the story.

        • Lbsand

          Yup.

  • King Kerry

    compare the commenters here to the ones on the Bog or the sports homepage ‘Skins articles. the comments over there are pathetic, no one knows a damn thing about football, just a hundred variations on “Bruce sucks” and “sell the team, Snyder.” well, we all hate Snyder, sure, but if we’re still going to root for the ‘Skins, talk about what can they do to make what they’ve got work. schemes, players, shit like that. night and day difference in the quality of the comments on Insider (no more, obviously) and HogSty.

    • alex35332

      Why do you think we poached you guys…

  • Big Buck64

    I did hear a scientist say one time , as a deer’s natural environment shrinks from development , they have an internal sense to have more babies . They feel threatened so nature somehow causes them to reproduce at a greater rate . Some type of a survival instinct . Might explain why suburbia has deer all over the place , IDK .

    • alex35332

      Interesting.
      So Deer are Catholic

      • Big Buck64

        LOL , evidently so .

    • Lbsand

      As my Dad the wildlife biologist once said, correctly, ‘all habitat, good and bad, has a carrying capacity.’

      • Big Buck64

        Great profession I am sure . Would have loved to have done that in another life .

        • Lbsand

          Folks like you, or should I say us, know an awful lot by being in the woods and astream. Hunting, fishing, observing, interacting. One of the absolute finest ecologist I know has zero college.

          • alex35332

            I mean, there’s a lot of logic to it, think about the old naturalists who pioneered environmentalism in the 1800’s and 1900’s. They were all avid outdoorsmen, and understood the harmony of protecting nature and natural spaces goes with those sports.

  • alex35332

    I got’s me a road trip this weekend to Lancaster PA to hang out with my old college roommate who’s up there. Gonna be a bit awkward watching Eagles get blown out with a diehard Eagles fan. And then if the Steelers lose the next day, even worse.

    • Rick Deez

      Amish Mafia

      • alex35332

        The dumbest of all reality TV shows.

        • Big Buck64

          Mob boss Levi .

          • alex35332

            The closest thing he’s ever done to laundering money is eat a fuggy the whale cake for breakfast.

          • Big Buck64

            Yeah , it was the king of dumb “reality” shows

    • walter_in_fallschurch

      that sounds heavenly!

  • King Kerry

    nicely done article. would have to take into account the rate at which draft slots work out or not league-wide and compare that to ours. i know that i could find that info with some google-fu, but i broke my damn arm Sunday so don’t want to do the extra typing. still, like i said, this was really good. i appreciate y’all, Hogsty.

  • [-Ozzie-]

    Damn Steve, nice column!

  • alex35332

    Random thing from yesterday, I almost tripped over a buck walking home from Metro yesterday. Probably got about 15 feet from the sucker, even though I live close to Ft Dupont Park, you don’t really see deer walking near the rows of town homes like that.

    • mike5790

      not unless they got a taste for human blood, anyway

      • alex35332

        I assume they are just out foraging more for food since its winter.

        • Lbsand

          Yep. The fat the bucks put on last fall was used up some during the rut, and of course as endotherms they need to eat to stay warm. And pickin’s are getting slim. Most does are carrying developing fawns, same dwindling browse issue in the dead of winter. Once leaf-out comes, they’re good to go.

          • Big Buck64

            In other words , they fucked themselves to death.

          • alex35332

            Seen it 1,000 times.

          • Lbsand

            Not a bad way to go. Now, GETTING f’d to death would be a bummer.

          • Big Buck64

            Helluva lot better than going out under a wall of surging mud .

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Finally! A scientific answer.

    • Big Buck64

      and the numbers are dwindling in traditional rural counties , where hunting is big . Va Game and Fish put new restrictions on the harvest this year . People complaining they arent seeing any deer . Weird . I guess the deer prefer more modern conveniences

      • alex35332

        Damn deer with their ironic antlers and their smoking pipes.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Wear some doe piss on your shoes. You can have a “interaction”

    • kon, for now

      That wasn’t random. It was the cosmos giving you a message. A deliberate act, and you missed it for some pocket pool. smh

  • Scamp

    Later born again hamsters…

  • Big Buck64

    Tandlers piece on our current QB situation is downright depressing , even though buried down in deep places we don’t want to talk about , we already knew it.

    • Rick Deez

      another apocalyptic rambling looking to get clicks.

      • Big Buck64

        It is a little dramatic . Draft a guy and move on . Build a defense . Case closed .

  • walter_in_fallschurch

    it bothers me a bit that jon gruden is going back to coaching. it can only hurt the skins. so, this offseason, we will send our qbs to the jon gruden camp, and jon will send his to the jay gruden camp?

    • alex35332

      Well if he’s a NFL head coach he can’t have a camp anymore, it probably would violate union rules.

      • walter_in_fallschurch

        hhhmmmm…. another reason not to like jon gruden being a coach again.

    • Flounder

      Don’t be a tool. LOL

    • kon, for now

      But maybe, just maybe…with all that Vegas loot coming in, Jon can convince Davis to fly the Raiders out to Richmond for some scrimmage games.

    • Lbsand

      Nothing I have zero control over bothers me one bit. Except uncooperative trout.

  • kon, for now

    Oprah polling 10 points ahead of Trump

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      She’s a mushroom cloud layin’ motherfucker, reality.

      • kon, for now

        Super-Fly TNT. Guns of the Navarone!

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Yeah, don’t matter which side you’re on, just the facts.

          • Lbsand

            I’m on YOUR side. F the politicos.

    • alex35332

      And America’s slow death march as a world power continues.

      I mean, why bother electing people who have experience or knowledge about politics and know how to get things done when we can get someone who made money on TV.

    • Big Buck64

      That’s because they’re all getting free gifts underneath there chairs .

    • mike5790

      free Pontiacs for everyone!

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Free Mazdas!

        • Big Buck64

          I’ve been trying to get tickets for Ellen .

        • alex35332

          I do like my Mazda.

        • mike5790

          They are going to announce the new Mazda/Toyota joint factory is going to be in Alabama.

          So, I guess that means, I’m done with Mazda.

          Maybe Oprah with each voter step up her game and go from Pontiac G6 to Gulfstream GVI

    • Scamp

      Take you politics to WaPo!

      • alex35332

        6551 Comments since Jan 2

        • Scamp

          Same stale article

          • alex35332

            Question is, can we surpass their 6,500+ comments, before they post a new story over there? I’d estimate we are over 2,000 now. Given the count I got from the last 2 days.

          • Lbsand

            With four playoff games this weekend? Piece of pie. Easy as cake. Can of corn.

  • Rick Deez

    Will Sony Michel be there in the 2nd?

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      I doubt it, maybe though, depending on the QB rush and DT tsunami.

    • kon, for now

      He’ll be there at 13 in the 3rd. If you want him.

  • Rick Deez

    I would sign Long to play LG…roll with Roullier at C. We’ve got Nesehke still under contract. I’d probably bring Kuandijo back at least to camp and draft a couple guys, maybe Trent’s replacement to mold.

    • kon, for now

      My colon blocks better than Arie

      -btg

      • alex35332

        You mean the freshman OT Mycolon from the Thonon Black Panthers

        • mike5790

          explosive release off the line at the snap

          -Mayock

  • Rick Deez

    We have depth on the O-line…No team has all-pro players on the bench. When you lose your starting C, LG, backup LT, and LT, you’re not going to have much depth.

    • Different_Cat

      Agree, but we need a better starting LG.

      • kon, for now

        If he’s not gone this year….smh

      • alex35332

        I have hope that Long can move back to G and be that guy.

  • Different_Cat
    • Zig-Zag_BC

      DCat’d

    • kon, for now

      Spam

    • alex35332

      I feel like Gruden’s playbook is just spider 2 y banana repeated from about 20 formations.

  • Big Buck64

    Jon Gruden not wasting anytime putting his QB in the immediate spotlight . Carr will either excel or fail . I don’t think middle ground is an option .

    • Flounder

      Dude is hard on QB’s but he is also good for QB’s if you can handle the criticism.

      • Big Buck64

        Yep. It definitely comes across that way .

    • Different_Cat

      I think Carr’s going to be fine. He had a bad injury in 2016 and thus spent a lot of time in rehab that he otherwise would have spent studying and practicing the QB position.

    • kon, for now

      Carr’s going to be doing a lot of praying for Gruden.

  • Rick Deez

    This team is a RB, Havoc wreaking pass rusher, and WR away from being a legit playoff team.

    • mike5790

      and possibly, a QB

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      I think WR in FA
      Draft the other two.

    • Kelly

      Depth on both lines. Can’t assume no injuries.

    • kon, for now

      Legit playoff team reads like a team that not only makes it to the playoffs, but, wins a playoff game.

      And we all know, well….do I really have to say it?

      • Flounder

        Well we don’t have those things yet so how would we win playoff games until we have it?

        • kon, for now

          He left out a key component of legit playoff team.

          • Flounder

            Well he is talking about the future as in were not there yet.

    • Different_Cat

      We need a NT if we’re going to stay with the base 3-4.

  • kon, for now

    wif, if it’s really bothering you. Go into your browser’s setting and change the font color of the site. fyi…it will effect every site you visit. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5248c6ecb8d3cae984e3349d25d339e7931d2d39b2286a43365873ff612e237b.png

  • Zig-Zag_BC
    • kon, for now

      Was just a wee, wee lad, but…I saw that at the theater.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Radio Texas…..am I transmitting, over?

    • Flounder

      One of Nicholson’s best movies.

  • Kelly

    Steve – great writeup. The one thing I would change, though, is the title. You’ve based your assessment on what these folks have done in Washington, but the article title warrants including data from the drafts these men oversaw on other teams.

    • Steve Thomas

      Quite frankly, the title is clickbait – red meat for the Allen haters.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        And tasty. Even though I want to not credit Allen for 2017, I have no proof.

        • Different_Cat

          Scot’s statements are proof. Whether you think they’re credible is another matter.

  • noonefromtampa

    alex35332 Team Captain frediefritz • 17 minutes ago
    Trick his agent, offer a $2 million bonus if he can go the life of the deal with out a fumble on PR
    ========================================================
    so you want him to call for a fair catch but not catch the ball for the life of the contract?

  • noonefromtampa

    Play makers
    at least 1 on each level of defense – DL, LB, DBs
    on offense QB, WR, TE, LT

    that’s sort of your core 7 guys

    then you need about 7 more above average guys on offense and defense
    next is about 15 solid players
    then you have about 20 role players

    you can take the current roster and parse it out

    assume you get about 4-5 guys from each draft
    and that is how many drafts away you are

    what about FA you ask, nowadays you can get maybe 1 above average player, maybe 2 solid payers and 2-3 role players if you cap is not too bad

    so if you want to swag it with a plus or minus 1 for free agency pickups you can

    • alex35332

      Yes its not that different from the 5 Blue Chips and 35 Red Chips, thing that Scot believed in. Granted we never really found out what the other colors were, I know Purple was a Red Chip who’s aged from starter to roll player/backup.

      • noonefromtampa

        some people use a A-B-C-D or 1-2-3-4 concept
        other use the Blue Chip, Red Chip, Green Chip concept

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          One more color please, before I spin out.

          • alex35332

            chartreuse

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Thanks, I was hyperventilating.

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    Dormancy, Walter’s way of confirming our suspicions.
    “We’re rolling out the new individualism choking blog software on WaPo”

  • walter_in_fallschurch

    it burns! it burns!

    • alex35332

      That’s what happens when you make love to an unclean woman.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Like molten iron

      • mike5790

        I had a college room-mate who worked part time (prev to college) at a metal works, and didn’t wear his equipment properly, and had a wee bit of molten material go right down his boot.

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          It will go “through” your boot, also.

    • kon, for now
      • Zig-Zag_BC

        “do ya want to build a snowman……?”

        • walter_in_fallschurch

          as i was building the pineapple in charleston, for the first couple hours everyone was guessing “snowman?” i was like… “no… anyone can build a snowman. check back in a few hours.”

          that will always be a memorable sculpture. not because it was anywhere near my favorite, but because it was in south carolina. south freakin carolina! and, i gotta say… that’s a pretty easy-to-please crowd, snow sculpture-wise.

  • alex35332

    Bad Reputation • 26 minutes ago
    We seem to be perpetually “2 Drafts Away” When is that gonna end? And don’t say 2 more drafts.

    Every team who’s not in the playoffs needs to think they are 2 drafts away. Every team that doesn’t win the superbowl once they get into the playoffs needs to think they are 1 draft away.

    • Flounder

      Agreed

    • Big Buck64

      True words .

    • alex35332

      I should have also said:
      The Browns need to think they are 12 drafts away.

  • Rick Deez

    I think a VERY fair criticism of Jay is that his teams do not rise to the occasion when it matters most, and they start off slow during the season. But Kirk’s gotta own some of that too.

    • mike5790

      negative synergy?

      • Rick Deez

        I think players take on the personality of their coach and their QB.

  • Rick Deez

    I might do a piece on this but…what’s wrong with the Redskins?
    1. Still need talent, especially on the defensive line, and at skill positions
    2. Too many personnel setbacks…loss of WR’s, RGIII (bust)
    3. Lack of a consistent identity
    4. No vision

    • etrod

      Are you Richard Rodgers?

      • Rick Deez

        yep

        • etrod

          Nice. We have something in common… Our cousin Aaron

          • Rick Deez

            except my last name doesn’t have a “d” in it.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            First name, Roy?

          • Big Buck64

            George

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Well I’ll be

          • Scamp

            Jolly

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Arrrrrrrrr!

          • AustinSkin

            The “D” is silent

            – Django

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            BOOM!

    • Different_Cat

      5. Indian curse

    • AustinSkin

      Stop it with the negative waves

      – My Avatar

    • Big Buck64

      I do so have a vision . Separate myself from all the bad shit , in hopes i can rendered blameless

      BA

  • frediefritz
    • alex35332

      Trick his agent, offer a $2 million bonus if he can go the life of the deal with out a fumble on PR

  • Bad Reputation

    We seem to be perpetually “2 Drafts Away” When is that gonna end? And don’t say 2 more drafts.

    • etrod

      Ok. How about 2019?

  • Rick Deez

    Big Buck64 Different_Cat • 5 minutes ago
    I’m inclined to believe more probable than not , there were alcohol related issues , among others .(KC contract ), we will never know.
    _______________________________________________________
    1. Russin’s BJ’s for scoops (very under reported story)
    2. Leaks to Joel Corey
    3. FA busts with dead cap money
    4. Licka’

    • Big Buck64

      sounds reasonable . It is Redskins park .

  • Rick Deez

    Will Disqus allow me to see the Redskins upcoming draft board?

    • Different_Cat

      Disqus saaaaays….: fuck no

  • Rick Deez

    I like the way the organization is building the team in the last two years. We’ve kept our draft picks and hit on a couple of late picks and UDFA’s. We need two more good ones.

  • etrod

    I do not want Josh Allen. He’s my bet to be the top flop among this year’s QB class

    • Different_Cat

      Not in the first 2 rounds, anyway. Classic low floor/high ceiling dude.

      • etrod

        Right. If he’s there in round 3 then whatever but don’t use a high pick on him.

    • walter_in_fallschurch

      nevermind….

      • etrod

        No sarcasm. Mediocre production against mediocre competition in college. Don’t want him.

  • walter_in_fallschurch

    word of the day:
    “brumation”

    there will be a quiz later.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      First rule of HS: there will be NO quizzes, unless issued by El Capitan.

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    Who picks the QB?
    I’d say Jay Gruden. He picked the Bengals QB, with the GM’s blessing. Fact.
    Not that I want a Dalton up in here.

    • Different_Cat

      He’s disqualified if he picked the Red Rocket.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        But in reality…..they give not a shit about our disqualifying ruling.

        • Different_Cat

          Wait … what are you saying?!

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Rat dogs = cats= footballs

        • Different_Cat

          PHEW! For a minute I thought you were saying that we’re not actually running the Redskins!

  • walter_in_fallschurch

    how do i stop disqus, or whoever, from sending me an email about every comment or every reply?

    • etrod

      Click on the drop down my your picture and go to profile, then settings. You can turn off email notification there

      • walter_in_fallschurch

        thanks. i think i did it. let’s see.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Profile-settings-block

      Any trouble, ask Buck, he’s our IT guy.

    • Big Buck64

      If you want to email me, I’ll walk you through the process. I’m an IT superstar

      • etrod

        Big house, 5 cars. You’re in charge

      • Big Buck64
        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Password : ihaveasmallpenis

          • Big Buck64

            LOL

  • walter_in_fallschurch

    who’s our qb? seems like a very, the most very, basic question.

    • etrod

      No who’s on first

    • Different_Cat

      Colt would be the only QB under contract at the moment.

      • etrod

        3rd base!

        • mike5790

          Pop POP goes the whinnin’ of the weasel the weasel
          pop goes the weasel cuz the weasel goes POP

      • frediefritz

        We signed Steven Morris in the last few days.

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          I feel better, thanks fred

        • Different_Cat

          Oh yeah, good point. Colt’s still our QB, though.

  • Rick Deez

    Lot of talk about the Redskins not being prepared for Cousins’ departure. What were they supposed to do….draft a QB in the first three rounds and listen to the fans and media bitch all year about how we “disrespected” him?

    sheesh

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      It’s gonna be what it is.

    • Different_Cat

      That seems to be Kelly’s working theory.

    • Big Buck64

      Who picks the next QB ? Let’s start there .

      • Big Buck64

        It ain’t BA , we all know that, unless somehow it turns out to be a good decision .

        • Different_Cat

          Doug Williams, according to Flounder.

          • Big Buck64

            I still have questions /issues on whose vision and plan the team is constructed by . SM suposedly wanted a Seahawk type team for example . Not saying that was successful , that isnt the point .

          • Different_Cat

            It always seemed to me that Scot’s blueprint didn’t fit Jay’s vision.

          • frediefritz

            That’s a good point, DC. SM wanted more power, and JG seems to want more speed/finesse.

          • Different_Cat

            Why I think it’s usually best for the GM to hire his own HC.

          • Big Buck64

            I’m inclined to believe more probable than not , there were alcohol related issues , among others .(KC contract ), we will never know.

          • Big Buck64

            One guy wanted a big bruising running game , the other is a pass happy genius .

  • Bad Reputation

    Jason La Canfora

    Verified account

    @JasonLaCanfora
    4m4 minutes ago
    More
    Eliot Wolf has in fact accepted the Browns offer to join their front office. He’s agreed to a 4-year deal to work with GM John Dorsey

    • Different_Cat

      Flash forward to 2020: Dorsey and Wolf shown the door in Cleveland….

      • frediefritz

        I’m not so sure about that. Cleveland is in a good spot to build a strong team, and they won’t have to compete much longer with Ben. I see them as being much stronger this year and next.

        • Different_Cat

          The owner just doesn’t seem to be able to stick to a plan.

    • etrod

      They’re sending the Wolf

  • Different_Cat

    Just putting together a list of fonts that would be preferable to the font we’re using. Back in a flash….

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    It’s really a great insight into people’s personalities, to be privy to their first reactions in a brave new world, priceless really.

    • mike5790

      Well, if you’re trying to multi-task and maintain the respect of your co-workers, this one burgundy-filled monitor, doesn’t help, FWIW. If it were white/black, maybe had some fake productivity graphics between tasteful ads…

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        My read….. you’re scared, your bush has died, leaving nothing but twigs to hide your naked body. You can’t always get what you want.
        I’m thankful for the work they’ve put in to give us a ‘color coordinated’ Redskins blog.

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    Alex, I really detest Owls, could you please make Walter change his avatar?

  • walter_in_fallschurch

    alex,
    can you do anything about the burgundy background and white text? it hurts my eyes…. not visually pleasing. maybe flip that?

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Stop

    • Flounder

      Stop bitching you just got here.

    • Scamp

      Also, GET OFF MY LAWN!

    • Different_Cat

      The guy you invite over for dinner who starts rearranging your furniture. 😉

      • Scamp

        THAT would be weird

    • mike5790

      it would also be nice to have what looks like an outlook or excel or some other productive document open on the unused right side of the screen. maybe like some kind of technical pdf with a graph and lots of small text… maybe some acronyms and error bars

    • walter_in_fallschurch

      just saying it is not visually pleasing. jeez… man, sorry. trying to maximize the pleasure of the experience. my bad, i guess…. i bet every study about text and so forth would confirm that.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        This is a communal thing, here, no tyrannical government as of yet.

    • MJ45

      I would think flipping it to white background and burgundy text would be a lot worse.

      • Scamp

        I would agree.

    • frediefritz

      Who said something about there not being any trolls here? j/k. wif

  • walter_in_fallschurch

    i’m sceptical about giving bruce credit for the 2014 draft, for which he has said he consulted scot, and the 2017 draft which was all set up by scot. and “jonathan allen”? really? an ignoramus like me could have made that pick.

    • Flounder

      Of course you would say that.

    • Different_Cat

      Him or Reuben Foster. Win-win situation.

    • Big Buck64

      The credit should go to whoever picks the players , because BA doesn’t do that

      • Flounder

        Funny it doesn’t work that way the top guy gets credit or blame because he hires the guys making the decisions.

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          I said that, he won’t fucking listen to me.

      • Flounder

        There is no one guy picking the players.

        • Big Buck64

          I know that guy . Point being , you have shouted down anybody that questions BA’s role in the organization as it pertains to the players, with that very statement . It’s ridiculous as its his job to build this team.

    • mike5790

      Trade BACK!!!

      • Different_Cat

        –BTG

    • Flounder

      Lots of teams consult draft services.

  • Bad Reputation

    NFLTradeRumors.co

    @nfltrade_rumors
    6m6 minutes ago
    More
    Bears Expected To Retain DC Vic Fangio http://bit.ly/2DflMt1 #Bears

    • Flounder

      I think there offense is the bigger problem.

  • walter_in_fallschurch

    hello, my incestuous cousins, half-cousins and in-laws!

    • Different_Cat

      Walter!

    • HTTRsince65

      welcome

    • Scamp

      Yes, engender yourself to the crowd by referring to them as inbreds. That always works.

      • walter_in_fallschurch

        fo

        • Scamp

          I’m not sure you’ve noticed but outside of D_C and NPI we’ve left the animosity over at WaPo…

          but just for old times sake… you can Fuck Off, too.

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Front Office?

    • Flounder

      Nice to see you.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      I left you the appropriate lyrics from ‘black muddy river’ on TI, they would not post it, go figure.

  • Different_Cat

    Flounder MJ45 • 17 minutes ago
    Scot’s board or the scouts and coaches and scots board you think Scot made that board by himself?
    ————
    Like I said, I think Scot takes all the input from the scouting and other departments and uses that to create the board. But we know that Scot’s a film junky, so I’m sure he’s also evaluated a lot of the players himself, and I’m sure that in every case where two candidates were close, he put in a LOT of time looking at that film. And I think he trusts his opinion more than the opinions of the guys below him. I would be shocked if he just took the grades the scouts gave him and put them in order.

    • Flounder

      Yes and as we have seen with all that he has still had bad drafts so I’m not real worried that he is not putting the board together.

    • mike5790

      it’s prob like buying a (used) car.
      you read the online reviews by people who own them
      you read the reviews of places like Consumer Reports
      you read test drive reviews of car mag types
      and then you do your own test drives (interviews) after paring things down
      and then, narrowed it down, you check out what the best values are in the marketplace, and which ones are still available to purchase when you have the time to get one (the draft)

      multiple lines of evidence, and you’re somewhat dependent on what others do

  • noonefromtampa

    I don’t understand this something new everyday concept
    — The Washington Post

    • Flounder

      Yeah and much better content than reading about the Ravens.

      • noonefromtampa

        I like Mike Jones comment last night
        “I don’t work there any more, boss”
        something must be going on for all these people to have left the beat in such short a time

        • Flounder

          Yep

        • Scamp

          The fact that the WaPo is going down in flames might have something to do with it.

  • Different_Cat

    Don’t know if this is real, but it looks legit. What an NFL scouting report looks like:

    http://i.imgur.com/YXk98P8.png

    • Flounder

      Looks like a report for NFL draft scout.

      • noonefromtampa

        a lot of teams are shifting to a cloud based scouting app, so that scouts can make notes on tablets/laptops while watching prospects. Also, the forms vary by position so position specific information can be entered. But this is how a lot of teams do it. A couple still have hand-written reports by scouts.

  • Bad Reputation

    If Skins are smart they will bring in Bevell.

    • Flounder

      You mean if Jay is smart that will be his choice not anyone elses.

  • Flounder

    So if all you need to do is use Scots draft service to have a great draft why do teams have scouts, it would be much cheaper just to pay for Scots service or the other major draft services.

    These services offer scouting information on players so that teams don;t have to do all there own scouting as there are far to many players for that. These services don;t tell you who to pick or what round to pick them in.

  • HTTRsince65

    There is no pain you are receding
    A distant ship, smoke on the horizon
    You are only coming through in waves
    Your lips move but I can’t hear what you’re saying
    When I was a child
    I caught a fleeting glimpse
    Out of the corner of my eye
    I turned to look but it was gone
    I cannot put my finger on it now
    The child is grown
    The dream is gone
    I have become comfortably numb

    • alex35332

      Great, now I’m just gonna want to go back to college and do mushrooms.

      • HTTRsince65

        So, what’s the problem? 🙂

        • alex35332

          I don’t have a good enough time machine.

          • HTTRsince65

            Lmao! Neither do I my friend.

    • Different_Cat

      Oh man, I love Cold Play!

      FU, I’m kidding!

      • HTTRsince65

        lol

      • alex35332

        There’s nothing funny about Cold Play.

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          There’s nothing to love about Cold Play, either.

        • Scamp

          There’s nothing even good about Cold Play

  • Bad Reputation

    JP Finlay

    Verified account

    @JPFinlayNBCS
    2m2 minutes ago
    More JP Finlay Retweeted NFL UK
    Seems a decent chance #Redskins are going back overseas in 2018. This is worth watching this afternoon

    • Flounder

      Yuck

    • alex35332

      Hey last time they did I went to the Queen Vic on H street, got hammered on black & tans at 9 AM while eating fish and chips & kinda flirting with the weekend sports reporter from the local CBS who was doing a story on people getting drunk at 9 AM while watching the skins.

      It was great.

  • Flounder
  • Bad Reputation

    ProFootballTalk

    Verified account

    @ProFootballTalk
    2m2 minutes ago
    More
    Reports: Signs point to Matt Patricia as Giants coach

    • Flounder

      That is a good hire damnit

    • Scamp

      He just looks like a football guy. Would love to have him

      • Flounder

        Yeah

    • Big Buck64

      Smart . In a short amount of time they have a proven GM and a defensive genius for a HC

      • mike5790

        HC is about managing people, commander’s intent, overall strategery, it is less about being an offensive or defensive genius. this is why I said (based on what I heard about him and his personality) that McVay would likely be a better HC than he was coordinator. Not everyone is great at making that transition. Most are not. We’ll see.

        • Big Buck64

          We will. The fact he is also an aeronautical engineer , tells me he is no dummy .

          • mike5790

            being a coordinator-level genius and technically smart has it’s place in being the “head” in that you can better recognize incompetence and poor performance and set out whatnot to correct or discard. I’m not saying you don’t want that, but I’m saying… wait and see. For some guys, a management promotion means they get to do less of what they really love, or they make the mistake of not delegating or how to find the right people to delegate to or how to train their delegates so-to-speak. Anyway, I’m not that moved by the hire at the moment, Belichickian disciples have mixed performance outside of his umbrella.

        • Squinns

          Noca, this is my concern about Jay Gruden. Great OC (great play design, etc.), but not sure he is the natural leader.

  • Different_Cat

    From listening to Jeremiah and Brooks (both former scouts), the way it seems to work is that the FO has meetings where the regional scouts present their scouting reports and make their cases for the players they like best. Then the higher ups take those reports and recommendations, along with scouting reports from other services, and they put together the official draft board, which they probably work on right up to the draft as more info. comes in.

    I think most of those boards aren’t just a list — like 1 to 150 — but are “stacked” boards broken down by round. Some will obviously put more emphasis on position value and others will be slanted more toward BPA. For the most part the board should run the draft, but one individual has to make the call for any trades.

    • Flounder

      Sounds about right.

    • Big Buck64

      and that individual is responsible for how you construct your team. Nobody is suggesting one guy is sitting in a room all by himself on draft day , making the decisions .

  • MJ45

    How much of BA’s draft success is tied to McGlue’s contracted draft service?

    • Different_Cat

      I think he only used the service one year (’14?), but no way of knowing how much he relied on it.

      • MJ45

        He had to have used McGlue’s board in 17 even though he was no longer with the Redskins.

        • Flounder

          Scot’s board or the scouts and coaches and scots board you think Scot made that board by himself?

        • Different_Cat

          Oh yeah, SM claims that every pick except RAnderson came right off his board.

          • Flounder

            Yeah the board the same scouts and coaches and other FO’s personnel who still work for us helped him make.

          • Different_Cat

            Of course, but one guy put the final order together, and that guy was Scot.

    • Flounder

      You could ask that of every team because they all use a draft service, all that does is give you a scouting report on players.

    • alex35332

      Good question. at least some of it. We know Breeland was part of that service

  • Scamp

    Thanks… I’ve been doing some research on my own as well as you could imagine.

  • Flounder

    Alex do you have anyone on staff that can do draft eligible player analysis for guys we might pick?

    • alex35332

      Right now that’s not someone we have. We did have it when Robbie was here, then we had a guy briefly, Adam, who bailed after a few months was dealing with some personal stuff. It’s something we are looking for, Steve and I had a long phone call about it last week. But it’s easy to ask “who want’s to do this”. But finding a person who will do the work, and do a good job is much harder as we’ve learned.
      If anyone knows someone who’s interested in that kind of thing, we would love to talk to them.

      • Flounder

        Maybe one of the Regs would be interested.

        • alex35332

          We asked Moe at one point, he said no.

          • Scamp

            He’s too busy writing his book and alienating potential buyers

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Lordy

      • Scamp

        You’d have to find someone with a LOT of time

        • alex35332

          Well the nice thing was Robbie and Adam were both college players and had a good eye for it. Robbie being a lineman for ODU and Adam was a G/T at Tech for 3 years.

      • AustinSkin

        Sign me up. I would be all for doing research on a candidate, including clips. I would be especially intersted in looking at mid-to-later round candidates. You know, like Nicholson and Roullier.

    • Steve Thomas

      That’s going to happen one way or the other. We’re working on it.

  • Flounder

    Moe still being a little baby over on Wapo.

    • alex35332

      Now now. Don’t be cruel. He want’s to go down with the ship, let him. Then when the ship has sunk we will throw him a door to go float on.

      • Flounder

        LOL

    • etrod

      He’s a spy

  • HTTRsince65

    test

    • alex35332

      What’s up?

      • HTTRsince65

        nothing my friend. I didn’t see the avatar on a recent post. after i sent test, i noticed the two links I tried to post are waiting to be approved. They’re fishing charters in Myrtle Beach

        • alex35332

          Okay, check now, I had to go and approve, they were marked as spam.

          • HTTRsince65

            ty

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Spam is not fish……or, fish is not Spam, as it were.

  • Scamp

    713… I know this is asking a lot but would love to see the same exercise for Free Agents.

    Good job by the way…

    • Flounder

      Yeah that would be a good read. Scamp where are you relocating to or have you not decided yet?

      • Scamp

        Either Charleston or Myrtle Beach. Haven’t made a decision yet. I’ll be visiting a few times over the next few months to look at a number of things. Housing, schools, business environment and fishing environment. I may start some sort of franchise where I can be somewhat of an absentee owner so I can fish everyday for the first year or so then start a guide service.

        • Flounder

          Nice well enjoy both places are great from what I hear.

          • Scamp

            Thanks. Ready for life to slow down a little. California has not made running a couple small businesses easy. But I’ve been lucky…

        • HTTRsince65

          I tried to send links to fishing charters in the area.

  • kon, for now

    We need someone in the war room on draft day. Then we’ll know who’s making the picks.

    • Flounder

      There is a board that is created by all the FO’s people and coaches and most teams draft the BPA on that board.

    • kon, for now
  • HTTRsince65

    Five out of six people agree that Russian Roulette is safe.

    • Flounder

      LOL

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      5 of 6 peeps from rural Pennsylvania?

  • Flounder

    I could be wrong but I doubt any team in the NFL has one guy sitting in a room by Himself on draft day picking players. I would assume all teams get input from a lot of different guys and make a pick as a combined group. Now if there was an issue where they were fighting than yes I would bet there is a guy who would have to break a tie. For the Redskins I would imagine that guy is BA or maybe Doug, but not sure the dynamic there.

    • Lbsand

      O, no doubt. A good Manager will always solicit feedback and input from a variety of sources, and never discount the devil’s advocate in the room. But SOMEONE has to be in charge. And accountable.

      • Flounder

        Yes and that is BA I would assume, but it was him last year also and in 2014 and last I checked those drafts went pretty good.

        • Lbsand

          I will say the jury is out on 2017. Still too early, but we have high hopes. Plenty to be excited about.

      • Big Buck64

        Exactly . Ultimately, under their current system , it’s BA whose responsible for the players we end up with

  • alex35332

    Jan 9th 2018 1,332 comments
    Jan 8th 2018 432 comments

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Winning

      • HTTRsince65

        …in the offseason!

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          He’ll quadruple those earnings this fall, book it.

    • kon, for now

      January 5th 2018…no titties

      January 8th 2018…https://media.giphy.com/media/WUeeGwT8d8KFa/giphy.gif

    • alex35332

      Remember when the post early on had a goal of was it 100K comments in their first season?

  • Big Buck64

    My question would be who is ultimately responsible for the upcoming draft ? BA , Doug Williams, the scouting department or somebody else ?

    • Bad Reputation

      Eric Schaefer, Sanchez, there is a team of guys who all decide as a group. Democratic system.

      • Big Buck64

        Somebody has the final say on whatever player they decide on.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Ultimately? Responsible? Bruce is top.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Not sure why a CEO would not be considered ultimately responsible….

    • Lbsand

      F-bruce if it goes well, NOT f-bruce if it doesn’t.

      • Big Buck64

        Yeah … I know

  • HTTRsince65

    A blonde, a redhead, and a brunette were all lost in the desert. They found a lamp and rubbed it. A genie popped out and granted them each one wish. The redhead wished to be back home. Poof! She was back home. The brunette wished to be at home with her family. Poof! She was back home with her family. The blonde said, “Awwww, I wish my friends were here.”

  • Bad Reputation

    JP Finlay

    Verified account

    @JPFinlayNBCS
    4m4 minutes ago
    More
    Jamison Crowder open to contract extension talks with Redskins, per source https://buff.ly/2miBHyG

    • etrod

      Don’t fumble the pen before you sign

      • Bad Reputation

        haha

  • kon, for now

    Team Captain….nice touch

    • alex35332

      Figured it was a little better than dull ol’ Moderator. Thought “Boss Hog” was too silly.

      • Lbsand

        And you can’t go bustin’ Bugel’s moniker.

        • kon, for now

          Buges!

        • alex35332

          That is also something I thought about.

  • frediefritz

    Good read, Steve. Nice to get a positive spin, after all the negative articles we say on TI, beginning with Jasno.

    I’m wondering if you could do some weighting of draft selections, ie, a first round pick has a higher chance of being a hit than a seventh round pick. Also, remember, those drafts where we didn’t have a first round pick, will factor in to success ratings for those years.

    • mike5790

      there’s definitely data like that on the internet; but it all sort of depends on meshing it with “your” idea of what a bust is… given also that expectations for the continuum of draft picks also drops off, also, positional expectations. Hocker was a 7th round kicker, as example. Well, for a kicker, there’s more expectation of them than their would be a 7th round QB.

    • alex35332

      With out actually looking it all up. Our hit rate on 1st rounders is very high unless you want to count RGIII’s busting as 3 first rounders, which I’d say is something you can debate.

      We really hit a lot on 4th round picks it feels like, more than 2nd and 3rd.

  • alex35332

    http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/bs-md-ci-world-cup-20180108-story.html
    Baltimore wants to host the World Cup. Amazingly they wouldn’t even be in the bottom 10 cities bidding for the event when it comes to drug problems and violence, heck FIFA is letting slaves build the Qutar stadiums.

    • etrod

      Gew on dan ner n scer a gewl, hon.

      • Bad Reputation

        Balti-Bonics

    • mike5790

      generally it’s hosted by a country, not a city

      you’d prob have enough stadiums to host it from Philly to DC, though. the thing is, without a major construction kickback payoff, who’s going to back-slide FIFA? I think that’s the way the Olympics work too. You could host both of those in the U.S. every time and build nothing. but there is no money in building nothing

      • alex35332

        Yes the bid is part of a larger group’s bid and does include several cities. But I just like to make fun of Hon’town.

  • Big Buck64

    One team president since 2010 , but he’s only responsible for 2014 and 2017 . Nothing strange about that .

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Wow! 9:30 AM, unheard of.

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    Too bad there’s no way of knowing the extent of Scot’s draft board usage by the Redskins in 2017.

    • kon, for now

      BA left it on his desk at that beach house of his. All we gotta do is, let ourselves in.

      • mike5790

        Too late. Russini already there.

        • kon, for now

          God damn. She’s everywhere.

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Meh….. collateral damage.

        • Lbsand

          Like good spies, good reporters will do whatever it takes.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        We have a field agent in that county…..

  • Rick Deez

    Kendall Fuller is just 22 years old and already is headed into his 3rd NFL season.

    Damn!

    • Bad Reputation

      His 26 YO brother is an UFA this year. Let Bree go and get the other Fuller.

      • alex35332

        Keep waiting and lets get all 4 Fuller Bros on one roster.

    • Lbsand

      Those Fuller boys are playah’s.

  • Rick Deez

    People look to the Eagles as an example of how fast a rebuild can be. The Eagles drafted well on defense and were aggressive in free agency. The latter is something the Redskins have not been as of late. The Eagles also saw the QB they wanted and believed in and went and got him. The gamble paid off.

    • alex35332

      The Eagles also kept doing that for about 20 years beforehand.

    • kon, for now

      And they weren’t slogged down with being afraid to keep trying different QBs till they got one.

  • Bad Reputation
    • alex35332

      I was always told the 3rd date is the big one… by then she will usually have figured out if she wants to sleep with you or not.

      • mike5790

        she knows that at first sniff

        there’s evidence that women can detect (unconsciously, obviously) genetic flaws in males by their scent; possibly also men and women can through pheromones detect how genetically related one is, adding a layer of attraction toward those who are less flawed and more genetically different. I am sure there are limits, and whatever. the friend zone ain’t always that conscious.

  • HTTRsince65

    Flounder Bad Reputation • 7 minutes ago
    Draft picks are more important unless you are going deep in the playoffs

    * Yes, draft picks are cheaper, but you have to be right and get starters. Too many vet FA’s, although proven, are cap busters!

    • Flounder

      Yeah which we have been doing a pretty good job at the last 4 years

      • HTTRsince65

        We have to measure success with playoff wins don’t we. SB too of course, but let’s crawl before we walk….

        • Flounder

          No we are talking good draft picks if you want to talk SB’s or playoffs the majority of the league is not doing well.

  • etrod

    Ok so my email setting just turned back on and I got like 30 emails from Diquss

    • etrod

      I keep turning it off and it comes back on

    • alex35332

      LOL yes, I had to turn off notifications the first night when I realized I was gonna just keep hearing my cell phone ping every time one of you fools posted something on any thread here. Now I only get a notice if a comment gets flagged to the point of being banned.

    • kon, for now

      Did you save the setting?

      • etrod

        Yes. It reset itself and I had to turn it off again

        • kon, for now

          Try from a different location. If it doesn’t take, tell your email server that disqus is spam.

  • alex35332

    One of the better off air Hog Sty debates was about wings a few years back.
    The debate; Blue Cheese – Me
    vs Ranch – Robbie
    vs No dipping sauce – Steve

    • HTTRsince65

      Kind of depends to me. What flavor wing? I like all three. Buffalo wings with bleu cheese. Spicier sauces, ranch. Smoked dry rub wings, nada!

      • alex35332

        I agree on the dry wing rub stuff, tend to keep the sauce off those.

    • mike5790

      KFC still has box meals with biscuits, mashed taters n gravy, and slaw, right? Like, for $5?

      • alex35332

        Not sure where your going with this? And wouldn’t know, I haven’t been inside a KFC in probably 15 years.

  • alex35332

    etrod • 21 minutes ago

    No but Alex will talk with a Cockney accent if you ask nicely
    —-
    What’s all this then?

  • Bad Reputation

    When does Kirk’s contract officially expire? I guess when the new league year starts. That’s like a week before FA?

    • Flounder

      When the league year starts March 14th I beleive

  • kon, for now

    I still want to know how in the hell the eagles get such sweetheart trades.

    • etrod

      It involves knee pads and chap stick

      • HTTRsince65

        I’m here!

        -Russini

  • etrod

    There was more trade action this year than I’ve ever seen

    • Bad Reputation

      Yeah experts say that’s gonna be a thing now. As these younger GMs are more willing to wheel and deal.

      • etrod

        Good thing or GM is eligible for social security

        • HTTRsince65

          We don’t have a gm, but as Flounder has pointed out, neither do a few successful teams.

          • Flounder

            All true and what would this mythical GM do that Doug and Gruden can’t do? Do you need a GM title to make trades because the Eagles don;t have a GM and they make lots of trades.

          • HTTRsince65

            idk

          • kon, for now

            We’d be better off with a GM. A direction, and a philosophy.

          • Flounder

            Pretty sure we have all those things and GM is a title that doesnt mean very much if someone with a different title is doing the same work.

          • Big Buck64

            Exactly .

    • Different_Cat

      Part of it’s probably the proliferation of 1-year deals.

      • etrod

        Good word

  • Lbsand

    I mean, Jimmy G. for a 2nd? OK. Gotta be more to that.

    • Bad Reputation

      They gotta sign him or tag him, but that’s it.

    • kon, for now

      Practically gave him away

    • Different_Cat

      There was a lot more to that than meets the eye. Was discussed at length last week.

    • mike5790

      “There’s been a trade”
      Redskins get a 4th round pick, a conditional 2019 pick, and Jeanine Garaffolo
      Niners get Kirk Cousins

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    Gameday threads are going to be spectacular on HS

    • kon, for now

      TD! Fuck yea!

  • Bad Reputation

    I don’t think any trade that was made at this years deadline was bad. It helped every team involved. They were all big moves.

    • Flounder

      Draft picks are more important unless you are going deep in the playoffs.

      • Bad Reputation

        Yeah…..I see that for this year…but any chance to get a good player you gotta try and do it.

  • Flounder

    I would rather trade away guys in season for picks.

  • Lbsand

    Per bad reps post below, when was the last time the Skins made a trade for a player? And got a starter? And I’m not talking about some TJ Duckett move.

    • Bad Reputation

      TJ Duckett….LOL

    • etrod

      That’s probably the last time it happened

      • Bad Reputation

        Yeah so now everyone is scared to make moves cause Vinny was so bad at it. Good moves can be made…I see it all the time.

    • Different_Cat

      Portis?

      • Bad Reputation

        BINGO.

        –Sherm

    • kon, for now

      Portis

      • etrod

        For Portis in 04. Traded for duckett and Brandon Lloyd in 06

        • Lbsand

          Well done, good pull.

  • Bad Reputation

    You know…make some moves. Jacksonville traded for Marcel Darius…Seattle traded for the LT and for Richardson, Buffalo traded for Kelvin Benjamin. Now all these moves didn’t necessarily get these teams into the playoffs (Seattle’s case) and KB didn’t do anything in Buffalo. But damn…at least these are top notch guys. You think Kirk would have liked throwing to KB and JD on the outside? Think that would have made him happy for the future? And he was had for a ham sammich!

    • Flounder

      Hitting FA’s is the only think Kirk cares about.

      • Bad Reputation

        I wish we had somebody who wasn’t afraid to make moves. We could have used Darius or Benjamin. Both make our team better. And for what a 3-4 round pick. These guys are worth that IMO.

        • etrod

          Benjamin is a FA, no?

          • Flounder

            Why trade a pick for a guy that is a FA?

        • Flounder

          Not in mine.

        • Bad Reputation

          maybe before you do it you can get a feel if you can sign him to an extension…kinda like Alshon already has in Philly.

  • btg

    Who ever was responsible for three ones and a two for rg should be the worst of the three

    • Flounder

      Well Shanny had full control when that happened but we will never know for sure.

      • Different_Cat

        Hasn’t Shanny tried to lay it off on BA/Snyder?

        • Flounder

          Yeah he tried but his son said that was on him.

    • etrod

      Leave that shit on the Insider. It’s 2018 dude.

      • btg

        Relevant to the topic

  • kon, for now

    Love me some naked wings too.

  • Bad Reputation

    Best part of waking up….is no trolls in the HogSty Cup…. (to the Folgers gingle)

    • kon, for now

      Make it rhyme man

      • Bad Reputation

        lol

  • Lbsand

    One of the hardest things for teams to do during FA is not panic as the game of musical chairs goes on. Prime targets re-up or sign elsewhere, options for a perceived need dwindle, possibly altering the draft. Patience will win out in the end. There are always a few intriguing camp cuts and a UDFA or two that can help. A young, hungry player can be a better way to go, and they kid just may already be on the roster or PS.

    • Flounder

      We used to panic big time in the Vinny days.

  • Bad Reputation

    We should add Bevell to our staff. That’s a good coordinator right there. Let Jay get back to team management instead of play calling.

    • Flounder

      This I could go for I think Jay stinks at in game management and anything to free him up to do more is fine with me.

    • etrod

      You know he’s not scared to call a damn slant in the red zone

    • HTTRsince65

      Get him fast!!

  • HTTRsince65

    Moe still won’t come over? What in the world is up with that?

    • Flounder

      He is just being a old fart.

      • HTTRsince65

        Hell, I’m 52 and still sorting it out…I think this is so effing cool. Thanks again Alex! I’m assuming the up or down arrow is to “like” or dislike?

        • [-Ozzie-]

          Yes. And it shows you who liked or disliked something.

    • Different_Cat

      He and Walter are WaPo spies, according to SCamp. Not sure why they would employ them to spy on a dead section, but whatever.

  • Flounder

    Now if you sauce first and than bake or fry the sauce into them that’s a different story.

    • etrod

      If you know what I mean

  • Steve Thomas

    I’m already getting killed on Twitter for this by fans who probably didn’t even read what I wrote.

    • Flounder

      LOL

    • etrod

      Walter in Falls Church is leading the charge

      • Flounder

        Well he hates BA and wants to date Scot so he is not very credible.

    • Lbsand

      My advice: stay off twitter, lol…

      • etrod

        Word

  • Bad Reputation

    Just saw this:

    Adam Schefter Retweeted

    Curtis Crabtree

    @Curtis_Crabtree
    5h5 hours ago
    More
    BREAKING: Darrell Bevell fired as offensive coordinator of the Seattle Seahawks after seven seasons, per sources. Story:

    • Flounder

      Wow

    • etrod

      Saw that on PFT this morning.

    • etrod

      Dog Baldwin has alluded that RW is the real problem, rather than Bevel.

      • Flounder

        He was like 90% of there offense. They still don’t have a good RB or O-line.

        • etrod

          Yeah. A lot of players resent him for free lancing too much and getting all.the credit. I don’t care either way. F Seattle

        • Different_Cat

          Yeah, that’s crazy talk. That offense is in the toilet without RWilson.

    • Lbsand

      He won’t be unemployed for long.

  • kon, for now

    I’m not a wet wing guy. Dry and crispy is preferred over those sloppy styled wings. I suppose that’s authentic though.

    Anyway…the secret to crispy wings…put baking powder in your rub. And, put them on a baking rack so heat can circulate around the whole wing. They’ll come out of the oven as if you fried them.

    • Flounder

      Yeah I’m not a fan of wet wings anymore dry rub only for me.

    • Different_Cat

      Grill’em, then fry’em, and dip’em in buffalo sauce while eating. Don’t slather it all over.

    • Lbsand

      Sounds good, I’ll give that a whirl. I wood grill my wings most of the time.

  • Flounder

    This content blows Wapo out of the water is there any chance to get Bullock to do some stuff on here?

    • etrod

      No but Alex will talk with a Cockney accent if you ask nicely

    • Different_Cat

      That would be awesome, but I’m pretty sure Bullock needs to get paid.

      • Flounder

        True

      • Lbsand

        I’ll throw down a couple pints.

    • Steve Thomas

      Maybe. Every once in a blue moon Mark has something that WaPo doesn’t want, but I always get to him too late to get it for us. But Mark does this for a living so he needs to get paid, for the most part.

    • kon, for now

      Bullock is a nerd. All ya gotta do is get him talking.

      The problem, maybe, might be his association with RCC.

      • Steve Thomas

        Nah, we like Mark. He’s always come on the show for us every time we’ve asked.

        • kon, for now

          Everyone likes Mark. Cept maybe npi.

  • Bad Reputation

    Key is to draft well and use your salary cap space to add difference makers in FA. Identify weaknesses on your team and use all available resources to eliminate those weaknesses. Don’t be afraid to spend some cap money on a guy who will make your team better.

    • Flounder

      Yeah you have to use FA’s and you can’t be scared you just have to be smart.

  • HTTRsince65

    Happy Wednesday!

    • Flounder

      What up buddy

      • HTTRsince65

        Just chillin

  • Different_Cat

    Interesting read — good job! If it was me I would credit McGlue with most of the 2017 draft, given that he set the board and they only deviated from it on one player (Ryan Anderson). I also think that BA had some influence on the Shanny drafts but there’s no way to prove that so it’s fair to credit them to Shanny.

    Like I always say, I the difference between drafting by GMs is mostly down to luck of the draw.

    • Flounder

      So he says.

      • Different_Cat

        Not sure why he would say it if it wasn’t true. At the time we didn’t know how the picks would turn out. Still don’t.

    • Flounder

      So does he get the FA failures also then because FA’s was before the draft?

      • Different_Cat

        He gets the early ones. Certainly wouldn’t be fair to credit him with the ones after he was suspended, though.

        • Flounder

          Agreed but will never know for sure.

    • Steve Thomas

      I get it, and made that caveat in the piece. We’ll never know exactly how the Redskins’ process works. I do think it’s fair to compare eras, though – Shanny era, Scot era, Allen era. And all of Scot’s misses are hard to ignore.

  • Lbsand

    The thing with FA is this: many of the good targets, guys coming of rookie deals, good fits, etc., re-up with their teams. 31 other teams are looking to address needs. Pool shrinks. Older guys coming off their 2nd contracts remain, most with an injury history (hey, its the NFL). ALL teams take a flier on some guys. And you will often overpay some to get them to commit. It is what it is.

    • Flounder

      Yeah it’s tough you have to be very selective.

  • Flounder

    Wait are we having a rational discussion about BA, Scot and Shanny? That is a miracle and miracles are the way things alt to be.

    If you get the movie reference I will give you a smoked wing/

    • Lbsand

      Warriors, come out to Plaaaaaayeeeeeeayyyy!

      • Flounder

        You win

        • Lbsand

          And I love your wing recipe.

          • Flounder

            Right I already gave it to you.

    • etrod

      CAN YOU DIG IT!!!!??

  • btg

    TBH I don’t care who is in charge of drafting
    Just continue to draft well

  • Flounder

    I think when talking wings you have to smoke them with a dry rub first and then put a quick fry on them to crisp the skin that is the best way to cook IMO.

    • etrod

      I like food

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Agreed

    • Bad Reputation

      It ain’t nothing but a chicken wang on a strang from Burger Kang.

      –LeRib

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        You beat NPI to a LeRib plug, haha!

  • btg

    Nice article 713
    Well done

  • Bad Reputation

    Let’s call new posts “Boinks”

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    This thing got a reference list and er’rytang.

  • Flounder

    Have you ever worked with someone that just rubbed you the wrong way even though you couldn’t exactly say why? That’s BA

  • Flounder

    I’m curious how we handle FA’s this year we have a shit ton of cap space and if we don’t sign Kirk we will need to spend it elsewhere.

  • kon, for now

    beep + oink = boink

    • etrod

      Racist

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    Fantastic post, Mr. Steve.

    Bruce Allen presents himself as a viable metaphorical douchebag.

    • Flounder

      Some people just come off that way and people don’t like them.

      • etrod

        I can tell you from experience that this is true

      • alex35332

        Some people can come off that way but they just have a weird personality, could be overcompensating for some anti-social tendencies. And some people not only present that way they they indeed are the biggest douche you will ever deal with.

    • Lbsand

      F-bruce just makes my skins crawl. Not sure why and it’s probably not fair.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        His smirk, Langley Oaks, his F.B.I. jacket.

  • Flounder

    One good thing is that we haven’t had huge FA bust in a long time that cost us big money.

    • etrod

      So you’re saying we’re due

  • etrod

    In fairness Bruce was the driving g force behind Norman and DJax

  • Flounder

    We have missed on several FA’s since the beginning of the Shanny era. We have had a few gems though.

  • Steve Thomas

    I will be able to do more of this type of stuff now that we’re in the offseason and I’m not tied down by game prep and previews and recaps. Speak up if you have ideas, because it’s a long offseason.

    • Flounder

      Great work

  • Lbsand

    Nice piece, steve. Fair, balanced. Doctson gets a long lease from me, he basically just finished his first full season and has huge potential. Don’t think one can count Jarrett as a miss, or any player whose career is cut short in similar fashion. Should Scot have seen a possible issue with Cravens? There are accounts that maybe he should have. Too early to say much at all about the 2017 class other than it’s promising. Losing Allen and Nicholson to injury was really a bummer.

    • Flounder

      Yeah I want to see Doctson next year before I make up my mind on him.

      • Lbsand

        Yeah. And fortunately, he’s under contract for ’19 too so he can really develop…if he’s going to.

    • Steve Thomas

      Yes, I think the scouts / Scot blew it on Cravens unless the USC staff just lied to them. Cravens flaked out and left once there, too.

  • etrod

    Bruce seems to be willing to listen to his scouts and go with consensus. That’s as much as you can ask of a GM.

    • Flounder

      Yeah I think he defers to Jay and Doug unless there is an issue.

      • alex35332

        If that’s what happens I can live with that plan. The concern I think many people have is can Bruce keep his ego in check to stick with that plan.

        Lets say hypothetically the skins have a really good draft this season, find a great sleeper QB, a couple of studs to work with and people start praising Doug Williams as the GM genus who’s saving the team.
        Can Bruce live with Doug getting all the credit?

        • Flounder

          Not sure why that would matter BA has worked with several teams and never gotten credit. Scot was fired because he was a drunk just like the other two teams that he worked for.

          • alex35332

            It matters because Doug Williams ain’t no tea tottler, and if Bruce gets mad we know he will fight dirty.

          • Flounder

            I don;t think BA cares who gets credit I think that part of the Scot story was BS.

  • Flounder

    Scot was not very good in FA’s and BA has not been great either.

    • etrod

      Bruce is a bargain hunter in FA. That can be a good thing but it’s also how you end up with Ziggy Hood and Stacy McGee

      • Flounder

        True but Scot was no different.

    • mike5790

      where Scot seemed to be better was maybe in-season? but if the point of this was to say that we may not be all that worse off without Scot as draft guru, that seems to be playing itself out, even without the definitive data. and even if the Skins might be getting contractual consulting services from people like Scot.

      • Flounder

        We were pretty damn good this year in season with all the injuries we had.

    • Lbsand

      Scot always said he didn’t like depending of FA’s. The only good thing is none of his or BA’s moves have produced any crippling mistakes.

    • alex35332

      Scot’s best talent IMO, is that he has a very deep file on guys. That’s how he can go grab someone like Quinton Dunbar who no one thought would be an NFL player, and bring him in the fold.

  • mike5790

    “I’ll say up front that neither Allen nor McCloughan have drafted even 20 players for Washington and have therefore not produced a large enough sample size of draft picks for a comparison of the three (including Shanahan) to have any sort of formal scientific or statistical reliability. However, I’m not trying to prove anything to any degree of reliability.”

    Agreed.

  • etrod

    Good stuff Steve.

  • Flounder

    See you would never get this at the Wapo great job Steve.

  • Flounder

    All teams use a draft service that does not help you draft it just gives you info on the players so you don’t have to do it yourself.

  • Flounder

    LOL I have been saying this for a while now.

    • Steve Thomas

      The service you’re thinking of is called Blesto. He Redskins were one of the last teams in the league to subscribe.