Bandwagon Revisited: Another Trip to the Memory Museum

February 9, 2018

by Chris Lawrence

As we surf off the exhaust fumes of Super Bowl LLII and admit to ourselves that the last NFC East team has entered the big game’s Valhalla, its time to close out our look at the last Washington Redskins team to win the Lombardi Trophy. Nostalgia is a fickle mistress (the word comes from the Greek word meaning “pain for home”) and it can keep us warm at night and crush our hearts in the morning, but let’s take a tour of the Bandwagon.

Like this year, the 1992 Super Bowl was also in Minneapolis, Minnesota but at the old Metrodome. The city was mystical for Skins fan that year because Washington Post columnist Tony Kornheiser had invited everyone to join him in planning trips to Minneapolis after the season’s opener 45-0 whupping of the Detroit Lions (you can see more about that in part 1) and officially revved up the Bandwagon. In what turned out to be both one of the great sports columnist called shots of all time and a completely safe bet, Kornheiser’s Bandwagon took on a momentum of its own and the series of columns covering the team became part of their legend. You can read all the Bandwagon columns here.

As Tony so astutely diagnosed, this team was a machine and the steam roller approach did extend all the way through the big game.

I know its hard for the young-uns to understand but the Buffalo Bills were once a very successful and respected franchise. They had a cerebral and respected coach in Marv Levy (Fun Fact: He was a George Allen era Skins special teams coach), and they had the most famous QB/RB/WR triple threat in the game of Jim Kelly, Thurman Thomas and Andre Reed. Their defense was young, fast and nasty and lead by Bruce Smith and Cornelius Bennett. This was their second of their four Super Bowl run (of which they won: zippy) and had just come off the previous year’s brutal missed field goal loss the the Jeff Hostetler lead Giants. A loss that so twisted the fan psyche of upstate New York that native son and filmmaker Vincent Gallo made Buffalo 66, an arthouse classic about killing the Scott Norwood character. They joined the Minnesota Vikings in Super Bowl futility.

But in 1991 they were still young and cocky. They were sexy stars with loud mouths and flashy stats. They had the league MVP in Thomas. The Bills K-Gun, no huddle approach was a stark contrast to the Washington team that was so methodical in their dominance they bored non-fans. Even though the Redskins were dominant that year and a 7 point favorite in the game, the popular pick was actually the Bills.

Well look at what the Department of Defense did to the league MVP in the game – Thomas had 10 Carries for 13 yards, 4 catches for 27 yards and a garbage time touchdown. The most memorable thing about Thomas’ game was how he lost his helmet during the Bills’ opening possession and was comically searching for it. It was on the bench.

Jim Kelly’s day? 4 pics and a fumble. And speaking of helmet follies, Andre Reed (who ended his career with Washington) at one point smashed his in frustration sending facemask and ear pads flying. He grabbed 5 balls for 34 yards.

Buffalo beat writer, Sal Malorana said about the game:

“The Bills were outplayed, outhit, and pretty much out-everythinged. It may be a cliché, but the game wasn’t nearly as close as the final score indicated.”

The game definitely started with some rocky moments for our boys. On the Skins second possession they marched down the field behind 4 grabs by HOFer Art Monk. But a 3rd down TD to Monk was called back by a little toe out of bounds and then they botched the subsequent field goal. But the Bills took no advantage and the Bandwagon rolled to a 17 point lead by the second quarter after a Gerald Riggs short yardage rumble.

Wanna see dominance? Look at what the Redskins Defense did to Jim Kelly in their first half shut-out.

 

While preparing for this piece I was deep in the annals of Skins lore and I rediscovered my love for middle linebacker Kurt Gouveia. Kurt was the next man up after the Rich Milot/Mel Kaufman eras of middle linebackers. He was a lunch pail type, but he had quite a post-season that year with three interceptions. One of those was the punch to the Bills’ kidney with the first play of the second half where he slid in front of route across the middle on a floater from Kelly and took the ball down to the 2 yard line. From there Riggs banged in his second touchdown bringing the score to 24-0 . And with that all drama was gone from SB XXVI and the Washington Redskins’ (last?) party could commence.

When you rewatch this game two things jump right at you like Wilbur Marshall into the Bills’ backfield. One, the Redskins were just bigger. They look like hulks compared to the Bills. Two, this was the most talented version of The Hogs. They were so good that year that should be Hall of Famer Joe Jacoby had switched to right tackle to make room for Jim Lachey. The unit only gave up 9 regular season sacks and bulldozed a path to 2000 plus rushing yards for the team. They are easily one of the best offensive lines of all time.

If you haven’t watched the game in awhile, do yourself a favor, fire up this YouTube version of the game, pour yourself a beverage of your choosing and revel in this all time team.

 

  • AustinSkin

    Bullock, Bullock….

    Good morning, time to move on

  • kon, for now

    Cream cheese frosting, from scratch. My gosh….the stuff is positively decadent. I’ve never seen that much butter, cream cheese and sugar (sifted confectioners) in one bowl.

    As delicious as it was, it’s not the sort of thing I’d want to indulge on all that often. But still, it’s a damn sight better alternative than all the syrups and oils in can frosting.

  • kon, for now

    Tuning out the political bullshit is a lot damn easier when there’s football to focus on.

  • HTTRsince65

    Happy Monday

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Happy Happy

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    Bring on the secret special guest podcast.

  • kon, for now
  • the_amazing_spiderman

    Don’t be a douche by ordering a bun less burger with that Adam Archulettuce wrap crap.

  • SCamp

    Reuben Foster was arrested for domestic violence… uh oh

    • kon, for now

      Two arrests inside 30 days

      Wonder what language is in his contract that might cost him money

      • SCamp

        I’d bet there will be some suspensions coming

        • kon, for now

          League rules on personal conduct, that’s good for however many games Goodell decides to suspend him on. Domestic violence though…not on is he up against the league, but the 9ers too.

          Unlike a certain team in Dallas, the 9ers will cut a player that’s been arrested for domestic violence.

          • kon, for now

            Shit. That means Foster will end up in Dallas.

          • SCamp

            …or Cincinatti

        • Different_Cat

          Some guys just can’t get out of their own way. Too bad because he’s incredibly talented.

  • kon, for now

    Mark Rip’n baked beans

    • No Punt Intended

      You end up Chris Smelly or Adam Gase.

  • SCamp

    Just saw a girl from San Clemente in the olympics.

    • SCamp

      Amazing that this little town is putting out such big name athletes

  • kon, for now

    Baby back Gibbs

    • No Punt Intended

      Slathered with KC Masterpiece!

  • kon, for now

    Sammy Baughbecue

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      He’s beer

  • No Punt Intended

    If a customer feels dissatisfied…..we won’t refund 100% of their check….

    We’ll Triplett.

  • kon, for now

    Twice Big Jaked Potato

  • No Punt Intended

    If you walk out on your tab you might hear someone shout, “Stop that Haynesworth!”

    If you spill your drink you might get hit with a cap-penalty.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Damn, I was just gonna give him the deep fried butter stick, lol

      • SCamp

        I guarantee you deep fried oreos will be on the dessert menu

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Haynesworth challenge

          • SCamp

            They don’t make enough oreos

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Double stuffed…….. wait, that’s Suzy and Mia!

          • SCamp

            Mega stuffed

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Loggerhead challenge!

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    Ryan Grant bologna and cheese

  • kon, for now
  • SCamp

    So… anyone think we’ll get into the Andrew Norwell sweepstakes?

  • No Punt Intended

    And you don’t sell the steak…..you sell the T-Sizzle!

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    London broil

  • No Punt Intended

    Richie Pet-T-Bone

  • No Punt Intended

    Eli Flan-ning

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    Monte Coleslaw

    • No Punt Intended

      D’Brickaslaw Ferguson

  • No Punt Intended

    Cooper Kuppcakes

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    Gary Clark double barrel, neat

  • No Punt Intended

    Peanut Brittle Tillman

  • No Punt Intended

    Steve Groganzola Salad

  • SCamp

    Todd Acai Bowles

  • SCamp

    Ryan Boschetti Spaghetti

  • No Punt Intended

    Jeff Bosco
    Mint Didier
    Rocky MacIntoish Apple Pie

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    Jason Buck backstraps ‘n bacon

  • SCamp

    Didn’t we have a guy named Bacon at one point… Coy Bacon?

    • Different_Cat

      Too easy. Kouandjio, now….

      • SCamp

        That’s easy… Arie Kouandjio’s alphabet soup

  • Different_Cat

    Kapri Bibbs lettuce salad

  • SCamp

    All you can eat Dunbar

  • SCamp

    Samaje Perrier

  • Different_Cat

    Larry Brownies

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    Reggie Brooks trout and eggs Mac Brown trout (when available)

  • SCamp

    Kool aid for the kids

  • AustinSkin

    Chris Hamburger

    • No Punt Intended

      npi’d

  • Different_Cat

    Martrell Spaighetti

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    Lol, Homer Brewer draft (for college night, 50¢)

  • SCamp

    Art Monkfish

  • Different_Cat

    Scherff & Turf

  • No Punt Intended

    Duke Ihenachos

  • Different_Cat

    Kyle Kalis salad

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    Will Blackmon’d grouper sandwich.

    • No Punt Intended

      lol

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    John Beck Lager

    • No Punt Intended

      Niles St. Paul-ey Girl
      Silas Redd’s Apple Ale
      DeSean Jackson Daniels
      Bacarri Rambo and Coke
      Teddy Bruschii

  • SCamp

    This menu is waaaaay too big

    • No Punt Intended

      Who are you? Chef Patrick Ramsay?

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    Slingin’ Sammy Baugh’s Pale Ale, on tap.

  • Different_Cat

    New England Clam Crowder

  • No Punt Intended

    Fish Smithson Cutlet
    Clinton Porterhouse
    PB and Jay
    Dexter Manwich

  • Different_Cat

    Matt Jones (dropped egg) soup

  • SCamp

    Lawrence Taylor rock candy for the kids

    • No Punt Intended

      Pop Rocks Cartwright?

  • SCamp

    Randy White pancakes

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Not

      • SCamp

        Dude… Jacoby flattened him

        • No Punt Intended

          The Jacoby Club

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Ok, you saved it.

  • SCamp

    If this was to happen in DC or Virginia I would have to do this

  • Different_Cat

    Rigginstoni with Alfredo Morris sauce.

    • No Punt Intended

      Dude you are days late and many dollars short. Pay attention. I’m now embarrassed for you.

      • Different_Cat

        Jealous!

        • No Punt Intended

          Of you mentioning what’s already been mentioned?

          Don’t be a moron.

          • Different_Cat

            Liah

          • SCamp

            No Punt Intended • 33 minutes ago
            Riggo-toni soup

          • Different_Cat

            Alfredo Morris Sauce? NOT!!! BWHAHAHAHA

          • No Punt Intended

            You really are an idiot aren’t you.

          • Different_Cat

            Loooooooserrrr!!!!

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    Dave Butz steak fajitas

    • SCamp

      Butz would have to be ham

      • SCamp

        …a HUGE ham sandwich

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Nah, it’s tenderloin

  • No Punt Intended

    ….

  • SCamp

    Looks like we may have to have some guest “chefs”

    • No Punt Intended

      Jack Kent Cooke
      Ndamukong Suh Chef
      Cecil Shorts order cook

  • Different_Cat

    Darrell Green Salad

    • SCamp

      RumpledSkinsFan No Punt Intended • an hour ago
      The Darrell Green Salad

      • No Punt Intended

        What a dolt.

  • SCamp

    Bill Shepard’s pie

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    Otis Day and the Knights

  • SCamp

    Hey HTTR… is there a dessert place in Myrtle?

    Used to LOVE going to this little dessert bar in Buckhead back in the day… haven’t seen anything like it since.

    • No Punt Intended

      Tiramisuh
      Charlie Brownie
      Eli Appel Pie
      Deron Cherry Pie
      Jerry Rice Pudding
      Darrell Tapp-ioca
      Cooper Fruit Kupp

    • HTTRsince65

      Not that i know of

      • SCamp

        Might be an interesting idea

  • SCamp

    Here’s one most won’t know:

    Pug Rentner hot dogs

  • No Punt Intended

    Riggo-toni soup
    Charley Casserole

  • SCamp

    This is getting out of hand…

    • No Punt Intended

      Deli Deli

      • SCamp

        Gus Frerrote Turkey necks

        • No Punt Intended

          Theismann Drumsticks…pre-cracked

          • SCamp

            Theismann Marrow soup

        • Different_Cat

          Pat Filet O’ Fisher Sandwich
          Mike Bass Fritters

  • HTTRsince65

    Dave Butz barbecue

    • No Punt Intended

      Norman’s Ribs

  • HTTRsince65

    Dagwoods has amazing sandwiches and do a great lunch business on one side of the restaurant, and then there’s a bar on the other side that does good bar business in the evenings and the owner is a big Redskins fan!

    • SCamp

      So that’s the local Redskins bar?

      • HTTRsince65

        One of
        the restaurant business is really tough here there are so many choices so many places to go you have to find a niche

  • No Punt Intended

    Scamp’s new, Redskins-themed, “New Deli” will offer subs made with Julius Peppers, Jack Ham, Jerrod Mayo, Chad Mustard, Tyrone Wheatly bread, Danny White bread, DeJon Gomes and lots of always fresh ingredients!

    Sandwiches to include….

    The Gary Hoagie Boom
    The Dexter Deluxe
    The 5 o’clock Club
    The Reuben Foster
    The Gibbs Grinder
    The Big Tuna Melt
    Eddie Royal with Cheese
    The Jay Cutlet
    The Monte Coleman Christo

    Try a full rack of LeRibs!

    Thirsty? Have a Sam Adams, a Chris Draft or a Teddy Bruschii.

    Got your chick with ya? Order her a Caesar Rayford.

    And every Sunday starting at 10:00 a.m………The Fun Brunch

    For dessert? Try a Mack Brownie or a chocolate Chip Lohmiller cookie.

    And never worry about making a mess as we have lots of Kapri Bibbs!

    • SCamp

      Nice… I like it!!!

      The original owner would probably role over… straight from New York!

      • HTTRsince65

        Lmao, yes he would

        • SCamp

          Not trying to kill folks

        • SCamp

          Why’d they sell it? Retirement?

          • HTTRsince65

            Yes

          • SCamp

            Good for them. Gotta love building a small business for 18 years and make enough to retire on. Rewarding

          • SCamp

            American dream right there…

    • RumpledSkinsFan

      The Darrell Green Salad

      • No Punt Intended

        The Chris Hanburger

        • SCamp

          Clothesline folks once they get their sandwich

          • HTTRsince65

            Did somebody call for me?
            -Kenny Houston

    • RumpledSkinsFan

      The Real McCoy Bacon Burger

      • No Punt Intended

        On Adam Archuletta Toast

        • SCamp

          AHAHAHAAAA!!!

        • SCamp

          With smoked Breeland cheese

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    Yeah baby! Coooooooooooooooooooooon!

    • SCamp

      That was beastly

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Thanks for the heads-up, I haven’t seen a match in idk how long.

        • SCamp

          No problem… I was looking forward to it all day… rushed home from our San Diego tournament to catch the end of it

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    Coon can fucking move for a big boy.

    • SCamp

      Well… his name is Coon

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Just threw the gold medalist Snyder for 2

        • SCamp

          Damn sure did

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Maybe we can get Callahan to kick the tires, lol

          • SCamp

            Great D linemen

          • SCamp

            More football players need to wrestle again

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Yeah

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Just fucking mashed Snyder on that single, hipped out and fucking mashed him.

          • SCamp

            Puttin all that weight on him

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Damn, blood TO, giving Snyder a break.

      • No Punt Intended

        He’s my cousin.

        – Timmy N.

  • HTTRsince65

    SCamp HTTRsince65
    22 minutes ago
    So… what do you think of those CBB guys.

    I said before that I know Kenny Wells and there is a lady named Sheena. I don’t know if you’re working with either of those. But it’s a good group of people, and they’ve been around a long time.

    • SCamp

      Working with Kenny. He has a couple different busineses I’m looking at… but always wanted a simple restaurant… nothing too fancy, just a hole in the wall type place where I can make the stuff most normal people love and experiment. Nothing gourmet… just paper plate dive food… and a deli sounds like a good way to do that.

      • HTTRsince65

        that Deli is a little bit more than a paper plate dive place. It’s a little nicer than that.

        • SCamp

          Looks like a stand alone building, too? Wonder what the lease is on that store?

          • HTTRsince65

            I don’t know that but it is a nice building and relatively new I’m sure it’s not going to be inexpensive

          • SCamp

            They must have moved the business at one point then… says it’s been in business 18 years.

          • HTTRsince65

            Yes they did

          • SCamp

            Makes sense.

          • HTTRsince65

            what other businesses are you looking at maybe I can help with those as well

          • SCamp

            I don’t have all the info yet… we’re at like 50,000 feet right now

          • SCamp

            We’ll have to talk offline. I’m not looking to make a fortune mind you. Retirement is pretty much locked up… just want to do something I enjoy and maintain for the next 20 years.

          • SCamp

            How’s that mall in the area? Most malls are dying.

        • SCamp

          Not really meaning an actual dive… just experimenting with that type of food on the side. I also like to dry age my own beef. Could do something with that, too.

  • SCamp

    This heavyweight match should be good.

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    Beazley is gassed c’mon Moore, pin his ass!

    • SCamp

      Gonna get teched if he’s not careful

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Yeah, that was a beating

  • SCamp

    So… Reuben Foster was arrested

    • RumpledSkinsFan

      Perfect hire for you if you buy that deli!

      • SCamp

        Not sure a linebacker is what I’m looking for though…

        Maybe the Skins can get him at a cut rate… but probably not

        • RumpledSkinsFan

          A deli’s got to have a reuben.

          • SCamp

            It does… supposedly a VERY good one

      • No Punt Intended

        Add in a little DeJon Gomes.

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    Power

    • SCamp

      He’s been pretty dominant this year

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Looks it.

  • SCamp

    So the Colts finally talked someone into being their stoog… er… head coach

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      He’s a Nazi

      • RumpledSkinsFan

        Frank Reich III?

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Unless he wins, then he’ll be the first.

      • SCamp

        Apparently most white non liberals are nazi’s these days

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Ikr

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    Martin is a gambler.

    • SCamp

      Missed that take down right at the end… should have been a tie

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        He’s way faster than the Michigan guy, banks on it. That could burn him.

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    Loch blows rec, leader fails to finish last run clean, doesn’t even medal.

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    Chris Mazdzer medals, silver

    • SCamp

      Does he wrestle for Ohio State or Michigan?

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Luge

        • SCamp

          Oh… Ohio State is wrestling Michigan on ESPN 2 right now

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Cool

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Amine at the end, lol

          • SCamp

            That was a fun match to watch

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Just caught the last 40 seconds.

  • Big Buck64

    Eric Clapton documentary on Showtime

  • Different_Cat

    Guess there were good reasons this guy slipped to the end of the 1st round….

    https://twitter.com/Eric_Branch/status/962839247832035328

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      You don’t know me!

  • SCamp

    You around HTTR?

    • HTTRsince65

      Yes sir.

      • SCamp

        Have you been to that Kaminsky’s deli?

        • HTTRsince65

          Lol, yes! But that was when it was owned by the previous owners. I have not been since.
          what are you looking for exactly

          • SCamp

            When did it change owners? I’m thinking of buying it… I thought it was still the original owners… one of them has cancer and they are selling

          • HTTRsince65

            the original owners are friends of mine and they sold to the current owners. I have no idea what the business is like or if you should purchase it or not. There are lots and lots and lots of places to eat here in Myrtle Beach

          • SCamp

            I’d love to talk to the original owners… I’d love to take it back to the way it was. To me, family businesses should be built and respected… minor changes or additions maybe. I hear it was a great deli. Even a runner up for top deli in Myrtle Beach

          • SCamp

            I’m burnt out on construction work… want less job/work chasing

          • SCamp

            Put myself through high school and college cooking in restaurants. Still love it

          • No Punt Intended

            Call it the…

            New Deli
            What’s the Deli?
            Long Term Deli
            DELI DELI !

          • HTTRsince65

            Deli-shush

          • SCamp

            I’d like to add a little southern flavor. Add maybe some BBQ and Chili to the menu

          • Different_Cat

            Or in this case, just shush.

          • HTTRsince65

            NOILRMOT DC!

          • SCamp

            So… what do you think of those CBB guys?

          • No Punt Intended

            Deli-shuss

          • HTTRsince65

            I can ask them if they’d be willing to speak with you.

          • SCamp

            When did they sell it?

          • HTTRsince65

            I’m not sure but I think about a year ago How did you hear about it?
            Coastal business brokers?

          • SCamp

            Yep… you know those guys too?

          • HTTRsince65

            Yes. Lol I have been here a long time

          • SCamp

            What do you think about them?

          • SCamp

            No comment… uh oh.

          • HTTRsince65

            Doing Landry my friend
            they are good people. Kenny Wells and a lady named Sheena. Who are you working with? those are two that I know there. As far as the deli goes, it was a husband and wife team that ran it before. they were there every single day he was in the kitchen. She would take orders and wait tables or whatever needed to be done

          • SCamp

            Are you going to that soccer tournament next Sunday?

            Maybe we should meet if not

          • HTTRsince65

            I haven’t decided yet but I will let you know

  • Different_Cat

    If you’re gonna pull a prank, you might as well go all in I guess.

    https://twitter.com/AmazingGlFS/status/962822811428548608

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Damn, Hollywood bound.

  • noonefromtampa

    Your score is: 19327 (GRADE: B)

    Your Picks:
    Round 1 Pick 22 (BUF): DaRon Payne, DT, Alabama (B+)
    Round 2 Pick 7 (CHI): Isaiah Wynn, OG, Georgia (A)
    Round 2 Pick 15 (ARI): Ronald Jones II, RB, Southern California (A-)
    Round 2 Pick 21 (BUF): D.J. Chark, WR, LSU (A-)
    Round 4 Pick 13: J.C. Jackson, CB, Maryland (A+)
    Round 5 Pick 12: Kyzir White, SS, West Virginia (A)
    Round 6 Pick 14: Micah Kiser, ILB, Virginia (A+)
    Round 7 Pick 13: Deadrin Senat, DT, South Florida (A+)
    Round 7 Pick 23: David Moa, DE, Boise State (A+)

    • Different_Cat

      Good one.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Senat is a good get, 7th round…great googly moogly

  • Zig-Zag_BC
    • HTTRsince65

      Cool looking. I have only been rainbow trout fishing in Montana.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        The water is up about 4/5 feet.
        Thing about trout, I love eating them as much as I love catching them.
        We have; Natives (Brook), Rainbow, and Brown trout here.

        • HTTRsince65

          We ate them too. Very mild

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            For me, just gut them, rinse, throw that bad boy in the skillet, fry some eggs, lookout!

          • HTTRsince65

            My wife’s grandmother actually prepared them exactly like that for us!

  • HTTRsince65

    I was stationed in Fulda Germany from 1986 to 1988. Anyone else?

  • Different_Cat

    Cross country skiing is the winter equivalent of speed walking.

    • RumpledSkinsFan

      No. X-C skiing is a brutal endurance race!

  • AustinSkin
    • HTTRsince65

      I don’t mind American citizens voting for who they like to be president. But I definitely do not Advocate non-citizens voting. California and others are attempting to make that possible. Doesn’t matter anyway the Electoral College will decide who the president is. Not the popular vote. Some peeps just fail to understand that

  • Different_Cat

    Colts agree to terms with new HC Frank Reich.

  • Different_Cat
    • AustinSkin

      Hurricane bait.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Sitting next to a deplorable, gross!

      • Different_Cat

        Got his Canes hat on – he’s aight.

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Hmm?

          • Different_Cat

            Thought you were referring to the dude lower right.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Yeah, just joking with you anyway.

    • DC-Dan

      Yea…well…you’re gonna get skin cancer before me so HA!!

  • noonefromtampa

    Total Wins since 2000 (out of 288 games)
    Patriots – 241
    Steelers – 203
    Colts – 192
    Packers – 190
    Eagles – 185
    Ravens – 181
    Seahawks – 175
    Broncos – 174
    Saints – 165
    Giants – 159
    Falcons – 156
    Cowboys – 151
    Vikings – 151
    Panthers – 150
    Titans – 144
    Chargers – 143
    Chiefs – 141
    Bears – 140
    Jets – 140
    Dolphins – 137
    Bengals – 136
    Cardinals – 132
    Buccaneers – 128
    49ers – 127
    Rams – 125
    Redskins – 122
    Bills – 120
    Jaguars – 119
    Raiders – 113
    Texans – 112
    Lions – 104
    Browns – 86

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Second best in the bottom quarter, yeah baby! – your hero

    • kon, for now

      Being that far behind division rivals….smh

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Nothing to see here, everything is great, we got this under control.

    • DC-Dan

      Yea…the scary thing is if you split Snyder’s ownership into 2 halves, the 1st half actually has a slightly better record, so it doesn’t appear that Dan is going to get any better at this.

    • HTTRsince65

      Our front office is fine! They’re average!
      -Flounder

    • Different_Cat

      Sad thing is, if you look at the bottom 10 teams, most of them have either turned it around or are closer to turning it around than we are.

  • Back to the good ol daysBruce

    Heavy rain but 50 degrees in New England. Fitting to continue binge watching The Crown on Netflix. Heard it’s a good one…

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    USP, Tuscon 32.0847° N, 110.8653° W
    Lewd Larry’s new home. I think he’s in a SHU.
    DC #21504-040, Nasser, Larry
    AKA Lewd Larry

    • mike5790

      Seton Hall University?

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      “USP Tucson is the nation’s only federal facility that is classified as high security and also has a sex offender management program, according to Ralph Miller, a retired Bureau of Prisons employee who specialized in sex offender designations in the Designation and Sentence Computation Center.

      Nassar will be surrounded by 70-80 percent of inmates who are sex offenders in the Tuscon population of 1,500, Miller said.”
      http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/02/09/larry-nassar-milan/110251634/
      ____________________
      Hate to say I told you so, but…..they protect high profile baby-rapers

      • noonefromtampa

        Jard Fogle is serving his sentence at Federal Correctional Institution, Englewood near Littleton, Colorado; it has a program for sex offenders and is a low-security facility

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          15 years? Some shit like that?

          • noonefromtampa

            Fogle serving a 15-year sentence; scheduled for release in 2029

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            And he’s not in controlled management. Maybe someday Nassar will get his custody lowered and be reclassified to a lower security….where peeps can get at him.

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Hello? Read much?

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Lol

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            ” that is classified as high security and also has a sex offender management program”

  • noonefromtampa

    build the wall or just invade Mexico and take it over?

    I’m thinking invade

    • noonefromtampa

      seize the tequila

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Aye

  • noonefromtampa

    87 degrees and partly cloudy

  • AustinSkin

    Thunder and sleet storm. WTF?

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Enjoy!

    • Different_Cat

      Mmm? Just heading out to have lunch looking out on Biscayne Bay.

    • kon, for now

      Was quick here. Sun’s out now. Still cold.

      This day a year ago was 88°

  • Different_Cat
  • kon, for now

    You poor suckers in Florida. You don’t get to enjoy the exquisite sensation that is heated seats and a heated steering wheel.

  • AustinSkin

    The Trump Border Wall. Good or bad idea?

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Terrible name.

    • kon, for now

      Ineffective boondoggle

    • AustinSkin

      I see it as an expensive prop. And landowners in South Texas are dead set against it.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Then you’d like the name

        • AustinSkin

          ehhhh…no

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            la gran fachada

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            ehhhhhhh……..yes

    • Different_Cat

      Terrible idea for multiple reasons:

      1. We’ve been experiencing negative migration migration from Mexico for a while now;
      2. It won’t work even if built;
      3. It sends a terrible message;
      4. It’s bad for the environment (interferes with animal migration);
      5. It’s expensive; and
      6. It’s never going to happen because landowners will fight eminent domain and tie it up in court and increase the cost exponentially.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Makes more sense to build a wall on the Florida/Georgia line.

        • Different_Cat

          They’ll just come in through Alabama!

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Nah, that’s a short clip to the coast. Bottlenecks are a good thing.

      • AustinSkin

        Yep to all. Rich landowners will tie it up. Poor landowners get steamrolled.

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          la gran fachada tiene su precio, vacía tus bolsillos

          You act as if you’re the only person that understands this

          mi libro está lleno contigo
          ya no tienes uso del Scriptorium
          los Monjes te ejecutarán a la vista

      • mike5790

        1. “Rich” Americans retiring in Mexico
        2. Key into bedrock, difficult angles, topped with massive solar arrays, and frickin lasers
        3. The US Census Bureau declared the West effectively closed in 1890. We’re pretty full. We should not tolerate population war. That is any war where children are used against legal citizens and weapons.
        4. Prob generates enough energy for many hundreds of thousands if not a million homes.
        5. Got to spend money to make money
        6. If they use National Security as the focus, there will be no court time. And if there is, Trump will declare himself Emperor, and execute the insubordinate Judges, since we will be at full civil war anyway. If they do it correctly with the right materials there will be neglibile land “taken” since as you prob no most western States have fence siting laws, which in theory then, should mean that the government could require them to pay for the fence, in part. Now, how this works is, the fence is defined in law, so anything over and above a divider fence would be “on” the Other to pay for, so it wouldn’t be much relatively speaking, but nonetheless… prob have to define some border imaginary nearly infinitely small line of US Gov Territory that would kick that siting law into effect.

        -Trump’s Great Wall Staff

    • AustinSkin

      I could sign on to a Sea Wall and port improvements in Houston. But Texas doesn’t need a stinking Border Wall.

  • noonefromtampa

    no major changes on the mocks this weekend still waiting on Kiper and couple of nfl.com guys to come out with their 2.0 versions, those are they guys still having us picking QBs

    31 mocks tracked, pick count so far

    Da’Ron Payne, DT, Alabama 7
    Roquan Smith, ILB, Georgia 5
    Calvin Ridley, WR, Alabama 5
    Vita Vea, DT, Washington 4
    Derwin James, S, Florida State 4
    Baker Mayfield, QB, Oklahoma 2
    Tremaine Edmunds, OLB, Virginia Tech 1
    Quenton Nelson, G, Notre Dame 1
    Josh Allen, QB, Wyoming 1
    James Washington, WR, Oklahoma State 1

    • AustinSkin

      So, it’s settled. Bring on the Payne.

      • Different_Cat

        No, we gotta take our Vita, Man!

        • AustinSkin

          He’ll be there in the 7th, well behind Poona

  • Different_Cat

    Teenager Red Gerard bags Team USA’s first Olympic gold medal in slopestyle
    ————-
    I get the whole, “when in Rome,” thing, but this seems a bit racist?

  • noonefromtampa

    So NBC evidently did nothing to prep their commentators about geography and history in Asia

    and of course commentators are way too smart to know anything about those topics before opening their mouths and stiff their foots in there

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      I love a stiff one – Russini

  • Steve Thomas

    Hi peeps. We recorded a great show with our guest, __________. Did an hour talking Xs and Os about Alex Smith and possible free agent RBs.

    • AustinSkin

      Brian Mitchell

    • Different_Cat

      Bullock.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      For Monday morning?

      • Steve Thomas

        Monday morning, yes.

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Awesome

  • noonefromtampa

    80 degrees in Tampa today so far

    • AustinSkin

      F You

      • noonefromtampa

        Thank you too

    • Different_Cat

      81 in Miami. BOOM!

  • AustinSkin

    Took my dog out this morning wearing shorts and a T-shirt. Cold front brought in 31 degree temps and a 21 degree wind chill. Had to re-think the outfit. Damn it’s cold.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Dog left wanting…..

      • AustinSkin

        Nah, he took care of business, and lollygagged while doing it. He’s spiteful that way.

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          So much to smell, dad doesn’t have fur….sigh

        • kon, for now

          Ours will sometimes just stand there. Won’t budge. So I’m like, fine, see you when I see you.

          I’ll come back several minutes later, she still hasn’t moved. I have to say the t-r-e-a-t word. Then she comes’a run’n.

    • kon, for now

      Sleet coming down here

  • HTTRQGC

    Mock fodder… For fun.
    Not drafting a RB. Waiting for 2 guys next draft. Much better than this crew imo. Guice the best of the bunch and will be gone. I’m thinking future this draft and next = SB ready.

    Rd1 Pk 13 S Derwin James FSU Impact player.
    Rd2 Pk 12. QB. Kyle Lauletta UR
    (This pick is for the future. Under Smith tutelage for 2 or 3 years is huge. May be a trade chip down the road if things get tricky. Smart pick if potential is truly there. No guarantees on QBs down the road. QB settled. All my NFLer mocks have this guy gone Rd 3. I’m combining rd 2/3 pick and again picking for the future)
    Rd 3: No One.
    Rd 4 Pk 13. LB Micah Kizer. UVa ( Zak Brown play style similarities) Frank Ragnow C Arkansas was a choice here. Was tempted to draft him to convert to G…?
    Rd 5 PK 12. WR Allen Lazard Iowa State (this guy is 6’5″ and made clutch catches in their win over Oklahoma. Highly productive year. NFLer. Watch the combine if he is there. May climb the charts…)
    Rd6 PK14. G. Wyatt Teller. VT. (Potential)
    Rd7 PK 13. DL. Justin Jones. NC State. (Potential ? )
    Rd 7 PK 23. WR. Braxton Berrios. Another gift to Alex.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      The Spider in round 2?
      Noone is too old to play football
      Fuck the Cavs
      I like #13 in 1st

      • HTTRQGC

        F the Hokies. Lol ! But I respect em. So I pick em. I dont** play favs when it comes to picks. Objective thought..

        **If we trade all our picks for Mayfield is fine however. Lol

        Retake : I do favor ACC and OU. Plenty talent there to build SB contender.

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Ok

      • noonefromtampa

        I wouldn’t waste a 7th rounder on Noone, strictly UDFA material at best

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          🙂 possibly scouting or contracts, aka desk job?

    • Steve Thomas

      Have no desire to draft a safety in rd 1. Not a big enough need. I’m all onboard the “draft a RB” train. Also strongly feel like a QB in rd 2 is a waste. Draft a 6-7 rd QB this year and get the next potential starter in either 2019 or 2020.

      • HTTRQGC

        Thats just it. Unless you pick high..QB class wont be this rich next year or year after perhaps. Not a waste. Securing future now instead of when back against the wall. I’m not drafting a S per se. Great thats what he plays. I’m drafting a versatile impact player. Dont see high stepper RBs worth drafting or being dynamic NFL runners… Maybe R Jones but I’d wait til next year rd 1 or 2… Guice will be gone. Chubb keeps falling…Rodney Anderson would top my list next year early. Or Zak Moss if he declares

    • Different_Cat

      Lauletta in Rd 2? LOL

      • noonefromtampa

        He’s a late round pick, major concerns about arm strength

        he’s has the smarts and footwork, but arm…

        • noonefromtampa

          watch the nfl.com film on him at the Senior Bowl

          he puts a lot of air on his deeper throws

          NFL safeties will love those throws

          • HTTRQGC

            I did watch. Had good practices and game overall. Any pick # 2 will have concerns in some way.

      • HTTRQGC

        For fun I stated. However..did people laugh when Belichek picked Garrapolo outta East Illinois w 2nd pick ???

  • kon, for now

    How the hell did I misplace cake pans? Fuck sake.

  • kon, for now

    The great thing about Peet’s, besides being good coffee…they stamp the roast date on the bag.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/480535e2b93525fb72c7c65c40c9ca7a227de460f44c8fe1149f5fc09e0005a9.jpg

    • AustinSkin

      When I lived in DC in the 1990s, Quartermaine Coffee Roasters was down the street from me. Pure rocket fuel, and very tasty.

    • AustinSkin

      I would prefer my coffee with Amanda Peet

  • SCamp

    Too early

    Off to wrestling… road to state begins for little ones today. SC!

  • HTTRsince65

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/12646/liberals-dont-want-trump-normalized-they-frank-camp

    Now, they’re normalizing Kim Jong un’s sister! What the f*** is wrong with these people?

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Smoke some Bruce Banner and chill, brother

      • HTTRsince65

        Maybe you’re right, this new coffees got me geeked

    • Different_Cat
      • Zig-Zag_BC

        For fucks sake, at least make it stainless or brass.

    • Lbsand

      I don’t see the problem. The ‘talks’ probably won’t lead to anything yuge, but meeting and talking are good. Threats ain’t gonna work.

      • HTTRsince65

        If you can’t see the hypocrisy then you’re unable to be objective.

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Did you catch my response to Rick, below?

        • Lbsand

          LOL. O-Tay.

        • John Worrall

          If you’re looking for hypocrisy, friend, you’ll probably find some at My Lai and Abu Grahib.

    • kon, for now

      Right wing media is brain rot.

      Also, there’s nothing in that link about Kim Yo. That’s about Obama. Doing the same shit republicans did.

      Again….right wing media is brain rot.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        So is anime porn, but that never stopped you 🙂

      • HTTRsince65

        they are attempting to normalize her but she is part of a brutal regime guilty of all sorts of murder and torture against both their own people and others including the young American who came home to die. Equating her to Ivanka Trump? Give me a break

        • kon, for now

          “Kim is “the Ivanka Trump of North Korea” because of her family connections and her ability to be a compelling saleswoman, said Sue Mi Terry, a former Korean analyst at the CIA who is now with the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington”


          South Korean television drew that exact parallel, noting that Kim Jong Un had sent his sister to the Opening Ceremonies of the Olympic Games, while President Trump was sending his daughter to the closing.

          It’s a quote man. Come down from the ledge mmmk.

  • Lbsand

    Go Norway! I fly the Norwegian flag out front during the winter games. Smaller and less prominent than my USA flag of course.

  • HTTRsince65
  • kon, for now

    1 part big bang

    1 part major dickinson

    1 part southern pecan

    Set the grinder to fine, brew and get…..

    https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/414h3GkiM%2BL._SX300_QL70_.jpg

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      pee-can

      • Lbsand

        LOL, the southern pronunciation. Yanks: pah-cahn.

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Ik, which is the correct pronunciation, we just like sayin’ peecan.

          • Lbsand

            I say peecan too. Drives my wife nuts…which is the point.

          • HTTRsince65

            It is peecan

    • HTTRsince65

      What label coffee are those? I’d like to try it but I’ve never heard of any of those

  • HTTRQGC

    My Hoos threw a game ending INT ( missed foul shots w 10 seconds left smh) last nite…when the Skins and Hoos start closing and clutching… watch out

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Orgasm?

      • HTTRQGC

        UVa has a major choke factor going on 4 years… Coach gotta tell em this fact and tell em to change the narrative. Geez

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Send the coach to Maryland……..kinda worked for the football team.

          • HTTRQGC

            Maryland leaving ACC was their demise. Hope far off up there

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            London

          • HTTRQGC

            Richmond or England …?

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            London, says I.

  • HTTRsince65

    Kim Jong Un’s sister. What did she do to earn the glowing press reports from the liberal media outlets?

    • AustinSkin

      She’s still alive?

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      WAG, reached out to the South?

      • HTTRsince65

        she is part of a brutal regime guilty of horrible atrocities against their own people as well as foreigners. Including the young American who came home to die. Yet the liberal media Outlets are presenting her as some champion. Normalizing her if you will. This after saying they don’t want to normalize Trump.

    • Different_Cat

      Didn’t launch a missile?

    • kon, for now

      CNN

      It was CNN

      • HTTRsince65

        WaPo too

        • kon, for now

          There’s nothing glowing in the wapo piece.

          They’re reporting on the South Korean’s reception and impression of Kim Yo.

          • Different_Cat

            Really? Show me where they said, “she devil.” You can’t!

  • HTTRQGC

    Football fodder : I have stated often about QBs are strongly correlated to W’s. I see some columns and opinions and comments disagreeing w this take and some agreeing.
    Fact is QBs are the 1 player closest to be associated w Ws. Cant ignore it.

    In the Super Bowl era…23 of the top 24 QBs in CAREER wins played in the Super Bowl. Only 6 QBs out of the top 35 in CAREER wins did not / have not made the SB. So folks who say QBs dont equal Ws…they absolutely do.

    Alex Smith is #34 in CAREER wins. I LIKE his chances and his recent comments and mindset on his incomplete career and no SB… Prime candidate ( outside the young bucks) based on QB W history to get to the Super Bowl. I like that.

    • HTTRQGC

      …and Kirk is NOT better than Alex. For the record.

      • Different_Cat
        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Kid’s got that same “deer in the headlights look” his daddy gets….

          • Different_Cat

            Thought balloon: “don’t make me go to Cleveland, Daddy!”

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            “what do you think about Cleveland, pookie poo?”
            *starts crying and fills diaper with his opinion of that idea

          • HTTRQGC

            Lol

        • HTTRQGC

          NYC here we come!

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Future President of the homeowner’s association – Kirk’s ole lady

          • Different_Cat

            Voted “most likely to make killer chocolate chip cookies.”

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            And enforce HA by-laws………with wrathful intensity, and a smile.

          • HTTRQGC

            Future sports agent.

        • No Punt Intended

          That kid is staring down his receiver already!

          Definitely a Cousins.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Lol

  • Different_Cat
    • Zig-Zag_BC

      I wish him the best. I’d like to see him as a #12 man, or a #15 man.

  • Different_Cat
    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Meh… Coach was ok with it. There are many variables to this in which you can’t help but to make an assumption, as DJax ain’t yo homie.

  • No Punt Intended

    I had forgotten Pot Roast started in the Super Bowl for the Broncos when they got shitstomped by the Seahags. He was getting blown back all game.

  • HTTRQGC

    Funny : Brian @skinsgo46 (Kirkhive VP) reply to Kirks Cousins :
    You sold out us diehards….time to move on.

    LOL

  • HTTRsince65

    Happy Sunday!

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Hpy Hpy

      • No Punt Intended

        Happah Happah

    • HTTRQGC

      Morning folks. Rain rain come today…go away another day.

      • No Punt Intended

        “If a kid asks where rain comes from, I think a cute thing to tell him is “God is crying.” And if he asks why God is crying, another cute thing to tell him is “Probably because of something you did.”

        – Jack Handy

  • Zig-Zag_BC
  • AustinSkin

    Watching a Clapton Documentary. Best music DVD in my collection is the 2007 Crossroads festival. 4 Hours of great music. And this is one of the signature songs.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VT-SFgkVlno

  • Zig-Zag_BC
  • Zig-Zag_BC

    Pence should have stood.

    • Rick Deez

      He’s one of those “sons of bitches”

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Yup

  • kon, for now

    Shouldn’t be any trouble at all to find a proper, US made coffee mug. Probably less hassle to buy a damn kiln.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      You can get a used one pretty cheap, build one if you had to. Not sure what your cups would look like.

    • AustinSkin
      • kon, for now

        Someone mentions kiln, you think, Animal House.

        lol

        • AustinSkin

          Yup, it’s a classic scene.

  • SCamp

    North Korea says it is unable to pay U.N. dues, blames sanctions

    ____________________

    Can’t pay their $184,000 tab but have plenty of money for repeated missile testing

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Priorities

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Pence still should have stood for the SK/NK athletes.

      • kon, for now

        Can’t expect respect when you don’t offer respect.

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          If you’re speaking to the VP, I agree.

  • kon, for now

    Which does the US spend more on annually…

    illegal immigrants? Or, invasive species?

    Hint, no one is shitting their pants over invasive species.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      You’d be shitting your pants if you stepped on a 10′ python.

      • kon, for now

        Nah

        • SCamp

          Good answer!

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Yeah you would.

          • kon, for now

            Nah

    • AustinSkin

      What’s the difference?

      – Right-wingers everywhere

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Bet I got more illegal immigrant friends than you do, and you live in Texas….

        • AustinSkin

          I never ask them about their immigration status, so I wouldn’t know.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            If you know them on a personal level, you know.

          • kon, for now

            Texas man. It’s different here.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            I’ve been there, I’ve also worked with the bozos from there, everywhere else.

    • SCamp

      Come here to Cali… plenty of people going ape shit over invasive species…

  • SCamp

    Hey HTTR… do you know a place called Kaminsky’s Deli?

  • AustinSkin

    DACA. Thoughts?

    • SCamp

      Should be dealt with as a law not a directive from the President.

      I think… it’s a weird situation… you certainly can’t fault the kids for what their parents did. I still think they should have applied for citizenship when they were old enough to make their own decisions. Of course that could have put them at risk. But, at this point, you gotta give the ones that have proven to be productive members of society a fair shake. After all, what are you gonna do, send them to a country they’ve hardly ever been to?

      • SCamp

        …but you absolutely HAVE to secure the borders and the VISA program to keep the problem from continuing ad infinitum

        • HTTRsince65

          Bill Clinton and President Obama both were for stronger borders at least rhetorically, now the Dems want to vilify Trump for wanting to have strong borders.

          • SCamp

            Bill Clinton especially

          • kon, for now

            Don’t expect hardline partisans to be consistent on issues.

            No sense anymore in even pointing out the hypocrisy. Neither side will hear it.

          • SCamp

            I would say that about most any politician.

        • AustinSkin

          Most illegals arrive by air and stay here. And it seems like ICE is disproportionately targeting Mexicans, Central Americans and Muslims instead of Europeans, Asian Indians and Asians who have also overstayed their visas.

          • SCamp

            Well… it seems that way because that’s what the media shows. And while it still may be true, without actual research data to show it… it’s hard to say. Perhaps it is true and they target them more because they are less likely to hold high tech jobs. More poorist than racist

          • AustinSkin

            Agree, but in the meantime, crops are rotting in fields. I just personally believe that our entire country benefits when all available jobs are filled.

          • SCamp

            No argument… just vet ’em and give ’em labor passes. If they join a gang or commit a violent crime execute them.

          • AustinSkin

            Criminal justice or deportation. I don’t have a problem dealing with people who are recruited for organized crime, human trafficking, etc. harshly.

            But I know way too many people who are fine people who may have questionable immigration status. i would welcome them as fellow citizens.

          • SCamp

            I can’t get with the citizenship part… unless, of course, they go through the whole process legit. If they’re already here illegally then no dice.

          • AustinSkin

            Our nation has a long history of immigrants who came here with nothing but a skill. Legal immigration costs money, and that can be an issue. Some folks have no choice.

          • SCamp

            Everyone has a choice. That’s a cop out. Now if you want to talk about streamlining the legalization process… then we can have that talk. But, as a person that broke the law plenty, there’s still no justification for breaking the law.

          • AustinSkin

            We have a declining birth rate in this country. More people are dying than are being born. That means we have another baby boom, or we consider embracing immigration. Someone needs to pay for our bloated federal government and $20 trillion national debt.

          • SCamp

            I’m actually all for the declining birth rate… now stop spending so damn much.

            I’m great with immigration… as long as it’s done smart. I don’t even think legal immigrants need to be high skilled… but they need to commit to being part of the American dream… not self segregating and refuses to learn the language. Be an American… that’s the only requirement in my book.

          • AustinSkin

            I’m okay with that.

          • SCamp

            Problem solved… I’ll call Trump you call Chuck and Nancy

          • AustinSkin

            Deal

          • kon, for now

            No one bothers with all those Canadians that cross over and never go back.

      • AustinSkin

        Taking that a step further, when a kid goes through public school, and perhaps further, then the taxpayers in that community have made an investment in their potential success. If they become taxpaying citizens, they provide returns on that investment.

        Undocumented immigrants contribute to state and local taxes to the tune of an estimated $11.6 billion a year, collectively, according to a 2016 study by the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy. The institute noted that undocumented immigrants pay state and local taxes, and sales and excise taxes for goods and services such as utilities, clothing, and gasoline. That alone makes them part of the group of “taxpayers” Trump is referring to.

  • SCamp

    So, my old church in Ohio was part of Tim Tebow’s Night To Shine last night. Pretty frickin’ awesome! My mother helped out and said it was a tear jerker

    • AustinSkin

      Interesting. Congressman Beto O’Rourke has a sister who is mentally handicapped and lives in a group home in Carlsbad, NM. She attended a “Night to Shine” event this past weekend.

      What pisses me off about Texas is that there is a 15-year waiting list for developmentally disabled residents in Texas to get into group homes. That’s just plain fucked up.

      • SCamp

        Group homes have always been too packed and too in demand. My family has been involved in foster care since I was 13. My Mom has been a volunteer CASA since I was 16. We always had mentally underdeveloped foster kids in the house. It’s a tough thing to get funding for.

        • AustinSkin

          Solve the problem. They do a great service in most cases. I have a sister-in-law who is a high-functioning developmentally disabled adult in group care in New Mexico. It provides structure, she has a job, and she has a sense of community.

          • SCamp

            We do our part to solve the problem… we had 50+ foster kids over the years… even adopted a few. Your turn…

          • AustinSkin

            That’s awesome. Never considered fostering, but I’m never afraid to donate, and I do.

          • SCamp

            It’s hard. My advice? If you have kids of your own think twice. Often children don’t understand why they aren’t good enough and you had to go out and get new kids.

          • SCamp

            …also, Asbergers kids can get very violent… so get small ones.

          • AustinSkin

            Doesn’t work with my current situation, but i have no problems donating.

          • SCamp

            Doesn’t work with most people’s situations… that’s why it’s hard.

          • SCamp

            Some do it anyway

  • HTTRsince65

    This place is dead lately maybe everyone’s watching the Olympics.

    • SCamp

      …or they’re asleep…

      …which is much the same thing

  • Different_Cat
    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Last visit with his PO, it’s a wrap.

      • SCamp

        Trip to the belt store

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          They’ll give him the bitch! Natural Life.

  • SCamp

    I broke down and am watching curling… doesn’t really rivet you to the screen.

  • HTTRsince65

    Happy Saturday!

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Hpy Hpy

      • HTTRsince65

        I apologize for being so late

        • SCamp

          You are forgiven

  • AustinSkin

    NFC East 24/7 Report
    3 hrs ·
    Pretty interesting, so NFL.com did a breakdown of the top 10 “Tight-Window” QB’s in the NFL. I’ll link the article in the comments.

    Essentially it was based upon rankings within 3 categories

    — Completion rate on tight-window throws.
    — Passer rating on tight-window throws.
    — Adjusted yards per attempt on tight-window throws.

    The list was as follows.

    1. Dak Prescott
    2. Matthew Stafford
    3. Case Keenum
    4. Alex Smith
    5. Ben Roethlisberger
    6. Deshaun Watson
    7. Russell Wilson
    8. Carson Wentz
    9. Carson Palmer
    10. Tyrod Taylor

    • Different_Cat

      The other side of the coin is that, per NFL stats, Smith threw into tight windows very infrequently. I think he was second to last in that category.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Dak, my ass, where’s his Cousin?

  • Different_Cat
    • kon, for now

      Way more than we ever got from that other guy.

      A lot more.

      • Different_Cat

        So true.

    • Zig-Zag_BC
    • HTTRsince65

      What else would he say? He’s going to a team with the worse defense and definitely worse rushing attack and I would argue not as good receivers. I’m sure he’s thrilled sarcasm font

      • Flounder

        Man Kirk leaving just has you so whiny, you can;t believe someone might actually want to play here.

        • HTTRsince65

          I don’t give a fuck if cousins is here or not But I put out the facts. You can disagree with the facts all you want but those are the facts.

          • Different_Cat

            He’s also going to a team with a very QB-friendly HC, to the extent that the guy he’s replacing will probably soon be the highest paid player in the NFL.

      • Rick Deez

        Just can’t wait can you?

  • Rick Deez

    With the QB position stabilized, I’m all for BPA, except a QB, at 13.

    • kon, for now

      A 2-3 year fix, ain’t all that stable

      The replacement has to be drafted sooner than later

      • Rick Deez

        True….but you don’t wanna draft too soon, then you have a Kirk Cousins situation all over again.

        • HTTRsince65

          thank God we drafted cousins right away as Griffin proved to be too fragile. Every time he was sacked his legs flew up in the air the way a gazelles legs splay all over the place after being taken down on the Savannah.

    • HTTRsince65

      Given the crap shoot that the NFL draft is, we don’t really know who the best player available is do we? We know the projected best player but our projections are at best 50% accurate maybe 60 in the first round.

  • noonefromtampa

    Your score is: 20479 (GRADE: B+)

    Your Picks:
    Round 1 Pick 20 (DET): Vita Vea, DT, Washington (B+)
    Round 2 Pick 12: Ronnie Harrison, SS, Alabama (A)
    Round 2 Pick 19 (DET): Will Hernandez, OG, Texas-El Paso (A-)
    Round 3 Pick 18 (DET): Josey Jewell, ILB, Iowa (A)
    Round 4 Pick 13: J.C. Jackson, CB, Maryland (A+)
    Round 5 Pick 12: Deontay Burnett, WR, Southern California (A+)
    Round 6 Pick 14: Riley Ferguson, QB, Memphis (A+)
    Round 7 Pick 13: Du’Vonta Lampkin, DT, Oklahoma (A+)
    Round 7 Pick 23: Tre’Quan Smith, WR, Central Florida (A+)

    couldn’t resist the 3 for 1 deal from DET

    • frediefritz

      I guess not! I’ve been happy with 1/20 and 2/19 for 1/13

  • noonefromtampa

    So the consensus from the “experts” is that we will most likely take a defensive player with our first pick

  • noonefromtampa

    added another new mock

    Da’Ron Payne, DT, Alabama 7
    Roquan Smith, ILB, Georgia 5
    Calvin Ridley, WR, Alabama 5
    Vita Vea, DT, Washington 4
    Derwin James, S, Florida State 4
    Baker Mayfield, QB, Oklahoma 2
    Tremaine Edmunds, OLB, Virginia Tech 1
    Quenton Nelson, G, Notre Dame 1
    Josh Allen, QB, Wyoming 1
    James Washington, WR, Oklahoma State 1

    • Different_Cat

      Man, if we get all those guys we’ll be ROLLIN’!

    • noonefromtampa

      Guy from CBS Sports has us trading up for Nelson

      • kon, for now

        Dumb prediction

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      What happened to the Mick draft, deported?

    • kon, for now

      Bring back the mick

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Longrod McHugendong, S, Morehead State 1 (exchange student)

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Mac “The Truck” O’Neill, FB, Kenworth Tech, 1

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Ben O’Drill, QB, Idaho, 1

    • kon, for now

      But which ones do you give an extension to and which ones do you wait out till their rookie deal is done?

  • noonefromtampa

    Cousins Top Landing Spots

    1. Browns
    2. Jets
    3. Broncos
    4. Bills
    5. 49ers
    6. Cardinals

    I guess 49ers are out of the equation

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Why no Vikings?

      • noonefromtampa

        I guess Jasno doesn’t like the Vikings

    • Different_Cat

      My money’s on NYJ.

      • kon, for now

        Same. That’s some sweet sweet schadenfreude if he goes there.

  • SCamp

    North Korea’s first competitor at the 2018 Pyeongchang Olympic got a big cheer at short-track speed skating Saturday but failed to qualify for a shot at the gold medal.
    Cheerleaders from North Korea let rip in support for Choe Un Song but he was eliminated in the 1,500m heats and the 25-year-old failed to qualify for the semi-finals.

    __________________________________________

    How would you feel knowing you’re probably going to be executed if you go home?

  • Hope-18

    Raiders named as a favorite to sign WR Terrelle Pryor

    Good for them…

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Raiders fans disagree.

      • Hope-18

        I meant that as in… “whoopee” sarcastically

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Yeah, I had the idea you were being sarcastic. A few Raiders fans at work are irate about the idea of Pryor coming back. They want no part of that, which makes it fun.

  • Rick Deez

    https://247sports.com/nfl/washington-redskins/Bolt/Alex-Smith-jacked-at-opportunity-to-join-Redskins-114918441

    First words from Alex Smith on being traded to the Redskins. Finally…a QB that WANTS to be here. Welcome “Smitty”!

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      “I want to make them want me” – Smith

    • Hope-18

      Heard he hates being called “Smitty” so he doesn’t like you already.

  • Different_Cat

    AP Sports‏Verified account
    The Latest: Vice President Mike Pence and his wife did not stand for the combined Korean team’s entrance. #OpeningCeremony

    https://twitter.com/AsteadWesley/status/961999922789789701

    • SCamp

      What’s political about not respecting a tyrant?

      That’s simple humanity.

      • Different_Cat

        Sort of like protesting police brutality?

        • SCamp

          Yea… totally the same thing. Police brutality totally equals a tyrannical regime that murders thousands and basically imprisons and starves a whole nation.

          You see why people don’t take you seriously?

          • Different_Cat

            Wow, what was I thinking? Individuals employed to protect and serve instead blowing away unarmed AMERICAN citizens is such a petty thing to protest! Thanks for setting me straight.

          • SCamp

            Typical nonsense.

          • SCamp

            …anyone that compares the North Korean dictatorship to our police deserves to be mocked.

          • Different_Cat

            Your argument is idiotic. It’s like saying we shouldn’t protest NK, because it’s nothing compared to Nazi Germany or Cambodia under Pol Pot.

            Either it’s okay to protest at an athletic event over a legitimate wrong or it isn’t. To say otherwise is hypocritical.

  • kon, for now

    A much better, woman vs car race…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzxS-3vO6Gw

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Mini Cooper vs. fine ass bird.

  • kon, for now
  • Different_Cat
    • kon, for now

      I hope he’s enjoying his retirement. Wherever he is.

  • Zig-Zag_BC
  • Zig-Zag_BC
    • C. Dub.

      I shouldn’t laugh, but that shit got me laughin’ . TY.

  • Different_Cat
    • kon, for now

      More structure please

  • Zig-Zag_BC
  • Different_Cat
  • Zig-Zag_BC
  • noonefromtampa

    added a new mick tonight

    Da’Ron Payne, DT, Alabama 7
    Roquan Smith, ILB, Georgia 5
    Calvin Ridley, WR, Alabama 5
    Derwin James, S, Florida State 4
    Vita Vea, DT, Washington 3
    Baker Mayfield, QB, Oklahoma 2
    Tremaine Edmunds, OLB, Virginia Tech 1
    Josh Allen, QB, Wyoming 1
    James Washington, WR, Oklahoma State 1

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Longrod McHugendong, S, Morehead State 1 (exchange student)

  • noonefromtampa

    RIP Actor Reg E. Cathey, who played Freddy on “House of Cards” and appeared in “The Wire,” has died. He was 59.

  • Different_Cat
    • frediefritz

      I just ran these selections on first pick. I could not find Lowell Lotulelei, but I do not believe he had already been picked. First pick gave me an F grade for it.
      Your score is: 13438 (GRADE: F)

      Your Picks:

      Round 1 Pick 13: Vita Vea, DT, Washington (B)

      Round 2 Pick 12: Sony Michel, RB, Georgia (B+)

      Round 4 Pick 13: Cedrick Wilson, WR, Boise State (B+)

      Round 5 Pick 12: Tegray Scales, ILB, Indiana (C-)

      Round 6 Pick 14: Mike White, QB, Western Kentucky (C-)

      Round 7 Pick 13: Michael Hill, DT, Ohio State (A+)

      Round 7 Pick 23: Steven Parker, SS, Oklahoma (B+)

  • kon, for now
  • SCamp

    It turns out Ford is going to make a Raptor version of the Ranger.

    • mike5790

      for those with more means than a Jeep owner?

      • kon, for now

        Have you watched today’s Grand Tour yet?

        So disappointed that they didn’t get a Jeep in the lineup.

        • mike5790

          Just finished it, and was kind of surprised they didn’t do maybe Grand Cherokee with the 6.2L supercharged V8. though part of the problem with those SUVs vs the Raptor (or horse) is the tire/wheel package; but I don’t think even that Jeep is going to go where that Raptor did, again, mostly because of the tire-wheel package and ground clearance.

          but then again that show tends to lean Euro

          • kon, for now

            Hard to believe Clarkson didn’t find his way to a Jeep GC SRT or Trackhawk. All his power this power that. Either would have kept with the M3 and for sure the Trackhawk would have taken it.

            And did you see Paris Hilton? She could not stop the hair toss and come bang me shoulder shrugs.

          • mike5790

            I tried not to stare. She’s um… either had some work done, or she’s nursing.
            I think she used to make 5-6 figures an event to DJ. Not that she needed the money.
            And though I’ve always thought she was attractive, the pink Bentley is a show stopper. What an ugly rig.

          • kon, for now

            I flat didn’t recognize her. Only when she started talking did I figure it was Hilton.

          • mike5790

            I pretended not to (my wife was there), but I recognized her immediately. And I waited for my wife to speak up re: work she’d had done. “Oh really? I hadn’t noticed”

          • kon, for now

            She watches along eh

            Mine is in the room, but barely pays any attention at all when GT is on

            We’re headed to the DFW autoshow next week

        • mike5790

          Also, could have done a fully loaded Subaru Outback. The first test would have been a fail, but it would have prob done better than all but the Raptor in the other tests; towing a small boat like that is well within spec for the 6-cylinder Outback. well, prob most cars that you can actually get a tow bar on.

    • kon, for now

      And not sold in the US any time soon.

      Though, that odd Edge ST will be available.

  • kon, for now

    Is there anyone in the stands at PyeongChang?

    It looks empty. All I see is monitor screens and athletes waving at the things.

    • SCamp

      I’m surprised anyone watches the Olympics anymore

      • kon, for now

        I try

        I have spotted some people in the lower levels. But only a few.

        • SCamp

          I may watch an event or two… we’ll see.

    • MJ45

      Stands are empty waiting for athletes to fill them.

  • HTTRsince65

    Is anyone here?

    • SCamp

      Maybe

  • HTTRsince65

    Crickets

  • HTTRsince65

    These articles about our Glory Days or years and years in the past remind me of a Sopranos episode.

    https://youtu.be/XhTuYKR-ejo

  • HTTRsince65

    Toying With Cousins Could Cost Redskins Alex Smith

    https://search.app.goo.gl/f7RC

    Shared from my Google feed

    • Flounder

      The Redskins aren’t toying with Cousins.

  • noonefromtampa

    RIP John Gavin, 86, actor and former ambassador to Mexico

  • Flounder

    I doubt Jimmy G. sees half of that 137mil he will either be cut or restructured long before those 5 years are up.

  • Flounder

    It’s about time these reporters were held accountable for their actions.

    “A column by Ron Borges in today’s Herald regarding Patriot Tom Brady’s salary discussions was based on information which proved to be false,” the paper said in a statement. “The Herald apologizes to Brady, his agent Don Yee and the Patriots, and to our readers for this erroneous report. Borges’ column has been suspended pending further review.”

    Borges was previously suspended by his prior employer, the Boston Globe, for plagiarism. It won’t be surprising if today’s suspension is the end of Borges’ newspaper career.

    • Back to the good ol daysBruce

      What happened?

      • Flounder

        Looks like he will be suspended or fired.

        • Back to the good ol daysBruce

          Good

  • Steve Thomas

    Smith isn’t HOF-worthy but he is as good or better than Cousins, for less money, and should remain good for at least 3 years. I’ll give up a CB who had 1 awful year and 1 very good year for that.

    • Big Buck64

      KC wasn’t going to sign any LTD for reasons we can debate forever . They did what they had to do , I don’t fault them for that part . Smith has played a lot of really good FB ,

      • Back to the good ol daysBruce

        Yup. Probably best available option at the time.

        • Big Buck64

          I think he will do well . I think Gruden is gonna have to cater to his strengths , which gives me pause for concern

    • kon, for now

      He’ll be as good as the running game he can lean on and the TE that stays on the field without missing weeks at a time.

      • Back to the good ol daysBruce

        Cousins biggest asset was his availability. Never really injured. Similar to Smith so that’s good. I think they both need talent around them to win. Legit talent.

      • HTTRsince65

        You mean like what he had with the Chiefs?

    • Different_Cat

      I don’t think he’s as good as Cousins, period, and at his age not worth giving up our best young defender. But what’s done is done so no point dwelling on it.

    • Flounder

      Agreed

  • Big Buck64

    ended up with flu . its miserable . Hard to swallow , throat is killing me . Head has been pounding non stop for three days . Can’t stop coughing . Coughed so much my ribs are sore . Aches all over .

    • Steve Thomas

      I had sore ribs form coughing so much recently, too, as a result of illness. I barely made it through a few of those shows during that time. But I never, ever get sick, and as a result I psyched myself out about the sore ribs and for awhile had myself convinced that I had an ulcer. Still didn’t go to a doctor, though.

      • Big Buck64

        You better go . Never know .

        • Steve Thomas

          It’s over now. I haven’t been to a doctor for an illness since I was in middle school (I’ve been to an ortho for my knees and ankles and to a dermatologist once).

          • Big Buck64

            You are a lucky man , but that’s good.

          • Steve Thomas

            Incredibly lucky. I think I must’ve set some sort of attendance record, because I’ve actually never missed a day of school, from grade school through law school, or a day of work, for illness with the exception of hernia surgery once. One of my blessings.

          • Big Buck64

            blessings are good .

    • Josh RosenSquinns

      Sorry to hear that. I hope you are on the mends soon so you can go visit you redheaded lady for a haircut soon.

      • Big Buck64

        Man , my girl got lung cancer . Not doing well.

      • kon, for now
        • Big Buck64

          Big boobs . She has nice boobs , but chain smoking has done it’s damage .

          • kon, for now

            Fucking cigs. Those things ain’t worth a slow, agonizing end.

          • Big Buck64

            never smoked in my entire life . Always thought it was nasty .

    • kon, for now

      Starve a cold. Feed a fever.

      Drink lots of water. Take an NSAID, (ibuprofen, aspirin, naproxen) for the aches. If you’re yacking crap up with your cough, take an expectorant to make getting that shit out of you easier (it’s important to drink water, thin that shit out)

      Get rest.

      • Big Buck64

        I got some good cough syrup and some Tami Flu . My neck , shoulders and head are killing me .

        • kon, for now

          That reads like a tension headache. Moist heat is what you want for that. Stand in a shower for a while or hot water bottle/hot compress to the back of your neck.

  • Different_Cat

    Interesting draft piece: if given a choice between a set of high-round, highly rated guys vs cheaper, diamond in the rough guys, which way would you go:

    https://www.ndtscouting.com/solak-pretty-penny-bargain-buy-2/

  • btg

    Slow down time

  • Josh RosenSquinns

    Back to the good ol daysBruce Rick Deez • 12 minutes ago
    He’s [Alex Smith] been in the league for over a decade. Whatever opinion people have is probably not that far off from reality.
    ___________________

    Dude’s the bitch that got benched and then traded in favor of Caperdick.

    • mike5790

      Kansas City in 5 years w/ Smith and Reid: 53-27, 4 playoffs
      Kansas City in previous 5 years: 25-55, 1 playoff

    • Different_Cat

      I think it makes sense to look at Smith’s 5 yrs. in KC, as opposed to just looking at last year, which was by far his best. Based on the 5 year time frame, compared to Kirk Cousins, he’s going to:

      * throw less often and for fewer yards;
      * throw fewer TDs per attempt;
      * throw fewer INTs per attempt;
      * fumble less often;
      * take more sacks;
      * gain more rushing yards.

      So generally I’d expect the offense to be less explosive, but also less mistake prone.

      • the_amazing_spiderman

        Important stat left off…

        * win more games

        (hopefully)

        • Different_Cat

          My guess is that the QB change, on its own, won’t affect wins and losses at all. If you throw in the loss of Fuller and the draft pick I’d say it’s a net negative.

          • Steve Thomas

            You’re over valuing the loss of Kendall Fuller. He’s not Champ Bailey or Darrell Green. They’ll find a replacement – maybe Moreau – and be just fine without him.

          • Big Buck64

            Not yet he isn’t . How could he be in only two seasons

          • Steve Thomas

            Meh. That’s what I think about losing Fuller. I mean, I’d rather have him, but I’d much rather have the QB instead.

          • Back to the good ol daysBruce

            You’re overvaluing Smith. After a decade there shouldn’t be any debate. He’s not a HOF at this time. Fuller just started. Not the same IMO

          • Back to the good ol daysBruce

            You’re overvaluing Smith. After a decade there shouldn’t bge any debate. He’s not a HOF at this time. Fuller just started. Not the same IMO

          • Different_Cat

            I think you’re undervaluing the loss of Fuller, who was arguably our best defensive player last year.

        • Back to the good ol daysBruce

          I wouldn’t assign W-L record solely on smith just like like I wouldn’t for Cousins. But how did Smith do in those important games like division clinching or playoff games. To me that’s where you focus if both guys are similar in stats

      • Steve Thomas

        He has a more accurate deep ball than does Cousins.

        • SCamp

          Hit’s people in stride…

          • Big Buck64

            IDK , their stats are almost equal for the last three years .

          • Steve Thomas

            This is a case where film should control. It’s pretty clear to me upon watching both players that Smith is far more accurate in this regard.

          • Big Buck64

            I don’t buy that .

          • Steve Thomas

            You’re entitled.

          • Big Buck64

            https://nflcomparisons.com/alex-smith-vs-kirk-cousins-comparison/
            This is a comparison chart . You have to plug in the last three seasons only and submit it .

          • Big Buck64

            stats damn near equal , only Cousins threw it a helluva lot more than Smith .

          • Steve Thomas

            I’ve seen all of this back when I wrote my Smith column last weekend. This says nothing about accuracy of deep balls.

          • Big Buck64

            OK , no it doesn’t reveal anything about that , you’re right

          • Steve Thomas

            I’m aware of their respective completion percentages; I’m talking about watching DJax having to repeatedly slow down, or be overthrown, by Cousins, whereas Smith is much better at hitting WRs in stride on deep routes, at least IMO.

          • Big Buck64

            I understand .

  • noonefromtampa

    A police officer was fatally wounded and two deputies were injured in a shooting that also left a suspect dead south of Atlanta, authorities said Friday.

  • noonefromtampa

    awesome day for crime stories in Tampa area

    The Pasco County Sheriff’s Office responded to a shoplifting call at a Walmart in Hudson. By the time they arrived at the scene, two of the culprits stole an RV and started driving down US 19.

    A deputy cruiser was eventually able to block the RV when it tried to drive onto hospital property. In response, the driver proceeded to ram the cruiser. It’s unclear what happened after the crash, but deputies were able to apprehend all of the parties involved.

    The three people are now in custody facing several charges. No deputies were injured in the incident.
    =============================================
    I should be saving all these things and making a cop show pitch to Netflix

    • mike5790

      nothing more nimble for the getaway than an RV

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        The fifty million dollar question.

  • Coach JS

    PFT (I know, I know) says KC is looking for a percentage of cap/year type deal.

    If he is, you can see why the Skins did not want the baggage/bad press that would come with being the first to offer that type of deal.

    • mike5790

      in order to get rid of the fakeness then, it wouldn’t be in the 15 or 16% of the current year cap fake average over 5 years, it would have to be lower to be equivalent over the real 3 years of the contract

    • noonefromtampa

      why/how would the league or the NFLPA approve a variable number contract deal?

      • noonefromtampa

        and what happens is cap goes down? is the player going to take less money or give money back?

        • Coach JS

          That would be the deal. But when has the cap ever gone down?

          It would change the way blockbuster contracts usually become value deals over time, if the players perform, and if not, they get cut and fake years get lopped off.

          • Back to the good ol daysBruce

            its all about contract structure. Many teams backload as they have less flexibility up front. Back loading is only an option because the cap is expected to always increase some percentage.
            I suspect Elway to do that with Kirk if they go that route…

      • Coach JS

        According to what Florio (I know, I know) said, there’s nothing in the language of the CBA that prohibits that, but teams, understandably have not wanted to go there.

        He thinks (I know, I know) that that might be the thing Kirk is after when he (KC) said he wanted to “think about future guys” etc.

        • mike5790

          when I’ve heard him say that, I got the impression it was about not taking less than what the market will bear. So he wasn’t going to take 12.5% current year cap as an average if he could get 14%. (or now, 15-16%)

          • Back to the good ol daysBruce

            words out of his mouth was about not strapping the team of cap flexibility but getting a fair deal as a percentage of the cap.

          • Josh RosenSquinns

            Words out of his mouth: “Ooooooo, Hope, right there….”

      • Steve Thomas

        CBA doesn’t prohibit that.

        • Steve Thomas

          Cap number calculation issues with that, though. Makes it harder on everyone. Best thing to do is just estimate annual cap and do cap hit calculations based on that.

  • Rick Deez

    I don’t think some Redskins fans REALLY appreciate what we could have in Alex Smith. But sadly, many will downplay his abilities, simply because of nothing to base that on.

    • Back to the good ol daysBruce

      He’s been in the league for over a decade. Whatever opinion people have is probably not that far off from reality.

    • Steve Thomas

      He was a top 5 QB last year, but most measures.

  • Rick Deez

    With an upgrade at WR, I think this is a wildcard team.

  • Rick Deez

    Garrapolo’s Year 1 Total is 42.6 million
    At the end of year 3, the 49’ers can cut him and he will have walked away with 86 million.

    • Steve Thomas

      He’s actually cutrable after 2019 based on his cap hit / dead cap numbers.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Cap hit is really all that matters, cash is plentiful.

      • Different_Cat

        Yeah, he’s easily cutable after year two as far as dead cap goes. It’ll jut mean they’d have paid him an exorbitant amount of money for his two years of service ($30 million and change per).

    • mike5790

      by year 3, they’ll know if he’s a dud, so as Steve mentioned, if he’s a bust, might as well cut your losses after 2 years and not have to eat that 32+mil cap hit another year in years 3-5

      but yes, he’s going to get more money that I thought he would even after the deal was announced

      Also:
      Garoppolo: almost $49 mil at signing
      Stafford: $51 million first year alone

  • noonefromtampa

    Snyder is going to own this team until after I’m dead so no point in me complaining about that
    Bruce is Bruce he is meh not horrible not great
    the best thing is, he’s seems to be on the roster building path versus the home run player path
    we can only hope that with a good coaching staff (no it is not great but it’s slightly above average) we can get to the playoffs and win a game
    maybe I’ve adjusted my expectations too low, but a playoff win seems like a huge victory for this franchise right now

    • btg

      If he can duplicate last years draft
      I’m happy

      • Steve Thomas

        Bruce is a pretty good drafter, although many fans wouldn’t admit it. In many ways, better than McCloughan.

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          He’s better than he was in Tampa, guess I gotta give him that.

        • Back to the good ol daysBruce

          I don’t think Bruce and McGlue have the same skillset for level of responsibilities for the GM title. Mcglue was the game tape guy and Bruce the numbers guy. Same title different roles. I bet Bruce has damn near zero to say on draft day. My opinion of course…

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      It would be huge, and open up a whole new level of expectations.

  • mike5790

    Which year is the potential strike year, 2020 or 2021?

    • Steve Thomas

      21

  • noonefromtampa

    Only in Tampa FL
    Armed robber tried to hold up one gas station
    problem was clerk was also armed
    and shot robber in leg
    chased him across street to another gas station where robber collapsed
    held him at gun point until police arrived
    robber complained it was only a damn BB gun why did he shoot me
    Police says not up to clerk to figure that out
    if they think its a gun they can shoot you

    • noonefromtampa

      bet that gas station doesn’t get robbed again for a while

      • mike5790

        though, a smart crook would have watched the guy run to the other station and immediately went in to clean that (unattended) place out.

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Of what, chips and cigarettes? The drawer was probably locked.

          • mike5790

            there can’t possibly be a black market for cigarettes

            -Axel Foley

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            How many cartoons can you carry while running down the street?

          • noonefromtampa

            about 20-25

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            I’d like to see that, lol

          • noonefromtampa

            most of the guys who do that bring a pillow case along
            they are at least that smart

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Your original post hints to one robber. That would make Mike’s guy an impulse robber, not likely outfitted properly for the job.

        • noonefromtampa

          watched Live PD last weekend
          robber broke off the drawer key in the lock try to get POS drawer open
          stole cigars, cigarettes and beer on way out

          • mike5790

            prob a bit inconvenient to carry a 20lb sledge around with you just, you know, never know when you’re going to need it

    • btg

      Should have finished him

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    Which is why Kirk never got a deal. Guaranteed years doesn’t happen.

    Bruce Allen still has a losing record, that part’s got nothing to do with SchMirk.

  • Steve Thomas

    Of course, both of the contracts I designed for Cousins had more guaranteed money than Jimmy G and the team could still have been rid of him in 2 years. But whatever. I’m on the Alex Smith train now – similar or better production for less money.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      You would have overpaid for Kirk, lucky Bruce stopped you, eh?

      • Steve Thomas

        Somebody needs to go back and re-read part 4 of my contract column. I said in that piece that I personally wouldn’t give Cousins the 5//$159M I proposed because it was too much. The point of it was that the numbers would’ve worked for both parties if they mutually wanted to do it.

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          He’s got this idea that he can change the way teams do business, how do you work with that? The Redskins don’t have time for a martyr. I was just seeing if you’d respond, anyway.

          • Steve Thomas

            He doesn’t have that idea. He just wants the most money he can get. That’s all this is about. He’ll take the best deal someone offers him. But I really don’t care anymore.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Neither do I, honestly. The whole thing has gone sour, for some time now. He did speak to the whole contract thing two years ago, though, that whole “pave the way for the ones that come after me” bullshit.

          • Steve Thomas

            That’s exactly what I think all of that talk is. B.S.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Probably so. The only sting for me was Fuller, that’s it. It’s what it took though, so here we are. Smith will be just fine.

  • Flounder

    The 49ers always do these wierd ass deals they did the same thing with Kaepernick.

    • mike5790

      They have SO MUCH cap space, I don’t know why they didn’t take $10 mil of his bonus and make it 10 mil more g’d 2018 salary, maybe a pinch more, then it almost makes him cut-able after year 2, I mean he still is if he’s awful, I mean, 32.5 mil cap hits last 3 years of the deal. I’m surprised the roster bonuses are not higher at the expense of salary in the last 3 years too. He (his Agent) did well.

      • Steve Thomas

        He’s already cutable after 2019 as it stands now.

        • mike5790

          with $60 million in his pocket

          but yes, if he were a bust, it would be mathematically/financially possible to cut him after 2019

          • Steve Thomas

            So what. He’d be gone.

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    Roll out the crow buffet

    • btg

      Who’s gonna be first to admit and stop saying we did KC dirty

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        No idea. Flounder?……or not flounder……

        Hope left for the coast.

      • Flounder

        Oh please some guys here are so far up Kirks ass it’s pathetic.

        • Josh RosenSquinns

          Nice to see you, too, Flounder! (coming up for air).

          -Hope

  • Flounder
  • Flounder

    Jimmy Gs contract details are out it’s pretty complicated but basically he got less guaranteed money then we offered Kirk last year.

    • mike5790
    • noonefromtampa

      but he signed for a bazillion million cajillion dollars

    • mike5790

      Less money g’d at signing than Stafford got just last year

      • Flounder

        Yep

    • Steve Thomas

      $35M signing bonus, $74.1M guaranteed, out clause in 2021. Cap hit exceeds dead cap in 2020, so he could be cut after the 2019 season.

      • Flounder

        Only 40 some million is guaranteed the rest is guaranteed for injury.

      • Steve Thomas

        $48.7M guaranteed at signing, which includes the signing bonus, 2018 base of $6.2M, + 7.5M of 2019.

        This contract isn’t an onerous as it seemed when the numbers came out the other day.

        • Steve Thomas

          Team can be rid of him in 2 years with a dead cap hit of $11.5M in 2020 and another $11.5M hit in 2021 if they wanted to do a post June 1 cut.

          • mike5790

            however, after those two years, Jimmy would have $60 million cash (gross). And San Fran could hedge their bets further by rolling a little bit of unused cap space forward from their huge glut in 2018, into 2019 and 2020 should he be a bust

      • mike5790

        it’d be psychologically difficult to cut him after 2019, but yes, it’s possible. they’d save 11 million in cap space if he turned out to be a dud

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    This new direction that Tech is going in with recruiting will pay dividends. Hitting kids up early, bring it on.
    ALL IN FOR DEVYN FORD!!!!!! Skin the Tigers.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Dust off those ole’ pom poms Wally from Falls Church.

      • noonefromtampa

        7th Floor Lee Dorm!

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Barring an extreme fuck-up, watch the next few years.

  • kon, for now
  • Flounder

    I see the cry baby fest is happening below.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Blubblubbblubblubbloogahblubblahblahblahblah!

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        And on two different channels……… Blurp!

    • btg

      Here’s the thing about complaining about politics
      99.999 percent of us, our lives have not changed one iota since DT got elected
      Not even close

      • Flounder

        I was talking about the complaining over the FO’s.

        • Steve Thomas

          Here’s a true statement: neither Dan Snyder or Bruce Allen are leaving this organization any time soon.

          Watching people whine about Bruce, in particular, especially being practically assaulted by it via hundreds of mentions on Twitter, has gotten very tiresome to me.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Bruce will do himself in, complaining about Snyder is pointless, but sometimes fun.

        • btg

          Gotcha
          Yeah I’m kinda with you
          It’s not changing

      • mike5790

        my last paycheck was $112 more. and the only thing different on the stub from the paycheck before was the Fed tax. that’s biweekly. might be able to go all blue blood and upgrade the Outback to a Durango. if we wait for an extra paycheck month, maybe even the Hemi. yeee haw!

        • btg

          Other than that any changes?

          • mike5790

            my wife walks around the house 15-20% more pissed off than usual

          • btg

            That’s funny

            And foolish if true

  • btg

    Moon river…

    • Flounder

      I mean good lord it’s like a whiny bitch fest.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        He is a good guy.

  • noonefromtampa

    It’s National Pizza Day

    Enjoy a slice!

    • mike5790

      Free small pizza at zpizza (with purchase or equal or greater value)

  • noonefromtampa

    Trump’s Daily Briefing

    In the Beginning was the plan.
    And then came the assumptions.
    And the assumptions were without form.
    And the plan was completely without substance.
    And the darkness was upon the face of the workers.
    And they spoke among themselves saying: “It is a crock of shit, and it stinketh.”

    And the workers went unto their supervisors, and sayeth: “It is a pail of dung, and none can abide the odor thereof.”

    And the supervisors went unto their managers and sayeth unto them, “It is a container of excrement, and it is very strong, such that none can abide it.”

    And the managers went unto the directors and sayeth, “It is a vessel of fertilizer, and none can abide its strength.”

    And the directors spoke amongst themselves, saying one to another: “It contains that which aids plant growth, and is very strong and will overwhelm some areas.”

    And the directors went unto the vice presidents and sayeth to them, “It promotes growth, and is very powerful for some areas.”

    And the vice presidents went unto the president, and sayeth unto him, “This new plan will actively promote growth and efficiency of this company, and certain areas in particular.”

    And the president looked upon the plan, and saw that it was good.
    And the plan became policy.

    And this is how shit happens.

    • walter_in_fallschurch

      tldr.

    • noonefromtampa

      this also covers the FO and Dan Snyder

      • noonefromtampa

        particularly the RG3 trade

        • HTTRsince65

          Our FO is just fine! They’re average!

          -Flounder

          • Coach JS

            And of course, in no way, can the paying of what can only be called a high price for A. Smith, be yet another mistaken move by our average FO!

            –Kool Aid Sippas

          • walter_in_fallschurch

            we aspire to average.

          • mike5790

            based on last three seasons, they’re there, now need to aspire to slightly above average

          • walter_in_fallschurch

            how pathetic is it that we hold out the last 3 seasons as evidence that everything’s fine?

          • walter_in_fallschurch

            the correct answer is “very”.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            It’s how they roll, high-five party for a tragedy narrowly averted.
            I’ve seen it a hundred times.

          • Flounder

            Are you crying again boy you can’t get over Kirk leaving can you?

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            I’ve worn-out all of my old Radiohead CDs…..

  • btg

    Beating back the progression of age is exhilarating but exhausting

    • mike5790

      Pills help out quite a bit

    • kon, for now

      Eating right and keeping crap out of the body is easy

      • btg

        Agreed
        I am not lifting for the entire month of February but working the bike and doing core work

        I’m doing the stanky leg when I walk

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Lol

  • walter_in_fallschurch

    i imagine trump considers the presidential daily briefing to be “fake news”. why bother with that?!?!

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      He needs an Echo Silver

    • mike5790

      can you imagine having to put together a daily briefing for the POTUS

      it’d be a bullet-point watered down abstract summary of a summary of a summary of a summary of a summary of a summary

      • walter_in_fallschurch

        “i need it to be under 140 characters!”

        • mike5790

          every day there’d be volumes of information produced by the gov’t and yeah, it’d basically be boiled down to a dozen or two 140 character snippets

          anything more than that, then the POTUS might be getting too in the weeds of any one subject; we prob need 2 people to do that job, or just go Holocracy on it (imagine running a military with Holocracy)

  • kon, for now
    • Zig-Zag_BC

      太多的信息,混蛋

    • noonefromtampa

      rectal prolapse, don’t let it happen to you

      • noonefromtampa

        women can also get vaginal prolapse

        • Josh RosenSquinns

          Isn’t that a sex change?

      • mike5790

        The New Nike Track Gear
        Nike ProLapse
        Don’t be left hanging out, put it all out on the line, with Nike ProLapse

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Duluth Trading Company will handle the outdoors version.

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    For all of you “great ones”
    https://youtu.be/YvT_gqs5ETk

  • Coach JS

    mista moe
    8:23 AM EST
    I’m fine with 3-4 backs rushing for 400 yards a piece.

    Neither SB team had a featured 1000 plus yards rushing back.
    —————————————————————
    Our boy Moe has changed his tune. After calling for Dalvin Cook in Rd. 1, and lamenting no top back last season. He posts this, among other similar comments. Says he is fine with Bibbs, Marshal, Perine, CT.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Meh….

    • skinswest

      Cook did look pretty special before the ACL injury.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Meh…meh….

    • Back to the good ol daysBruce

      I didn’t know Crowell was a FA. I would def bring him in for a look see.

  • walter_in_fallschurch

    answers to the olympic speed question:
    1) luge
    2) bobsled
    3) skeleton
    4) downhill skiing.

    those skeleton guys are crazy, crazy. it’s like luge, but you go down head first….

    • Different_Cat

      As far as I’m concerned the first three are like free falling competitions.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        You steer, just like skiing

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Speed of game – hockey

      • walter_in_fallschurch

        the puck moves fast, the people don’t, relatively speaking. there is actually a huge drop-off in speed after downhill skiiing. even those long-track speed skaters are going only half as fast as downhill skiers.

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Umhmm

    • skinswest

      #4 is pretty nuts also. As are the ski jumpers.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Jumpers are cray cray

  • Back to the good ol daysBruce

    I’m sure this is a nice article. Zero interest in revisiting a 20+ yr old super bowl victory. But thanks as i know many enjoyed those times.

  • p1funk

    Most under-rated Redskins QB – Brad Johnson

    • SCamp

      Was not happy when he was let go

      • p1funk

        Especially recalling whom he was let go for…

        Mr. “Leadership is overrated”

    • Different_Cat

      Had one really good year for us, and one incomplete, not so good year.

      • p1funk

        And then won the SB with Tampa Bay, while we shipped him out for Jeff George who we quickly cut in favor of Tony Banks.

        You don’t give up on a guy that quickly, especially coming off a Pro Bowl year

        • Different_Cat

          I didn’t like the decision — especially for George — but to be fair Johnson really only had one VG season (the SB season, as it happens) in his remaining 8 seasons after he left.

        • Back to the good ol daysBruce

          no idea how well he would’ve played for us vs Tampa. Not that simple but Jeff George… now THAT was a joke

    • skinswest

      I had him on my ff team when he was with the vikings. Came out and threw four td’s in his first game to Moss and Carter. Then got hurt…

  • noonefromtampa

    Who has benefited from flu season?

    OJ purveyors after years of declining sales, sales are way up thanks to the strong flu season

    My God. The Dukes are going to corner the entire frozen orange juice market!

    • mike5790

      just take the Vit C pill, works great, no sugar

    • kon, for now

      Damn sight easier to pop an jalepeño than it is to get all that OJ in ya. Packs way more vitamin C too.

      A 100 gram serving of orange has 53 mgs of vitamin C

      A 100 gram serving of jalepeño has 118 mgs of vitamin C

      • mike5790

        keep them dogs away from your poo too!

      • SCamp

        “Gonna get some ecstasy and stick a hot pepper up your ass”

        • SCamp

          No one got this huh…

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            NBK

      • Steve Thomas

        Except that jalepenos are gross.

        • kon, for now

          Armadillo eggs though

      • Different_Cat

        I think I’d rather drink 2 1/2 glasses of OJ than eat 3-4 jalapenos.

        • kon, for now

          Another advantage is, you can clear a room in one pass.

        • Different_Cat

          Didn’t know this:

          All bell peppers—green, yellow, red, and orange—contain more vitamin C than an orange, ranging from 95 mg in a green to a whopping 341 mg in a yellow. They’re also super low-cal, containing just 45 calories per cup, making them the perfect snack to quell a case of the munchies.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Pretty damn easy to grow, also.

          • kon, for now

            Lot damn easier than a tree.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            My peppers are usually the “last man standing”, each year.

          • kon, for now

            The Orange Cartel has pulled one over on consumers for decades.

            It’s sad really. Really, really sad.

          • mike5790

            sure, chopped and fried bell peppers with some olive oil, onions, 70% lean beef, garlic, and some chili powder, you can really munch away with some chips

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Just eat it like an apple.

        • the_amazing_spiderman
          • SCamp

            Drink up D_C

  • Coach JS

    A Gus Frerrotte Moment:

    So, it was Sunday Night and my college buddy (Stillers fan) was dogging the Skins all night. Every time they’d show Norv on the sidelines with the playsheet over his mouth, Stillers guy is like, “Everybody knows what Turner is saying. He’s saying, ‘Run the shit play! Run the shit play!”

    Dude thought that was the funniest line every. Especially when the Skins (Terry Allen maybe) fumbled right after he said that line.

    So, right before Gus scores his touchdown, Dude is all “Run the ish play, etc.” And… Touchdown!

    I’m like, “That’s a pretty good ish play, etc.” Then, Gus head butts the wall and knocks himself out of the game.

    Yeah. That was not my favorite moment as a Skins fan. (Sad Trombone)

  • alex35332

    Just saw this on the twit.
    Doug Williams will be featured in an upcoming NFL Network Documentary about HBCU’s called “Breaking Ground”. As much as we all have questions about Williams’ roll with the team now, you cannot deny the man’s impact on the sport.

  • walter_in_fallschurch

    so, i posted the answers a couple days ago. what are, in order, the 4 fastest winter olympic sports (measured by average speed during the event)?

    • alex35332

      Speed of the person, or the game itself.
      Person I’d assume skeleton and luge are up there, maybe the ice jumping thing where they go flying through the air.

    • Different_Cat

      My guess:

      Luge
      Skeleton
      Bobsled
      Curling

    • alex35332
  • mike5790

    (Not taking credit for it, but looking back) I said the second it was announced that the Trade was a horrible decision, on principle alone. They did it despite the cap penalty. They did it despite knowing that it was almost certainly not for Andrew Luck, but even keeping the specific players out of it, it was too high of a price to pay for a complete unknown, translating from college to NFL. It was Haynesworth and the Trade that have poisoned the Skins, and maybe after six years, it’ll now be over.

    The secret sauce is in the coaching and development, and there’s no cap on that.

  • Josh RosenSquinns

    Waiting for the article on Gus Ferrote.

    • noonefromtampa

      Head butt enough said

      • p1funk

        I was at that game…in the nose-bleeds wondering why Frerotte never came back out on the field when we seemed to take the game’s initiative

    • Steve Thomas

      You’ll be waiting awhile for that one.

      • Josh RosenSquinns

        Ahhh, man, c’mon!

      • Different_Cat

        Hey, we got a post on punter prospects, so anything can happen. ;-P

        • Steve Thomas

          The punter / kicker post was going to happen at some point. Better to get it out of the way now.

      • Chris Lawrence

        It actually sounds fun

        • Steve Thomas

          Take it on, then.

    • alex35332

      Or we ask our youngest member Jamual to wax poetic about the glorious 2008 season.

      Flashbacks to Horny for Zorny one liners, and a great 1st half (6 & 2?) with folks calling Campbell a league MVP candidate.

      • p1funk

        Zorn Star

      • p1funk

        Stay Medium!

      • p1funk

        “I feel like the worst coach in the world”

    • skinswest

      Well he wasn’t Heath Shuler at least.

    • Chris Lawrence

      i would love to write up a Gus Bus piece, he had like a 17 year career

  • p1funk

    The longer I’ve watched football, the more I became convinced that the 1991 Skins could, objectively, be the best all-around NFL team I’ve ever seen. I then came across one of these super-geek advanced metrics studies on EPSN that came to the same conclusion.

    • Chris Lawrence

      they were insanely good at football

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Been out there for a minute now…

  • noonefromtampa

    @disqus_Q1qhbjISah:disqus Look for evening posts I have a running list of various “professional” mock drafts posted on various sports sites, tracking like 28 of them now

    I usually post an update in the evening

    Payne, Ridley and Smith are the three leaders around now

  • Steve Thomas

    Great job by Chris Larry on this piece. This sort of nostalgia-type stuff is going to be his wheelhouse for us in terms of the writing side of it.

    • Rick Deez

      Very good piece

    • kon, for now

      How about some good old fashioned Redskin QB controversies?

      • mike5790

        Schroeder vs Williams

    • Josh RosenSquinns

      Gonna run out of good nostalgia Only won three Superbowls (been to two more) and haven’t done shit in the last 25 years….

  • Steve Thomas

    btg Steve Thomas • 17 minutes ago
    Did you see my comment yesterday about Jason Tatum
    ______________

    No, I didn’t.

  • Rick Deez

    Feinstein: Cousins would have turned down $137 million from ‘Skins
    After Jimmy Garoppolo signed a five-year, $137 million deal with the 49ers, John Feinstein believes Kirk Cousins would still have looked elsewhere if the Redskins offered him the same deal.
    _______________________________________________________
    The Redskins move for Alex Smith looks smarter and smarter. Kirk can kiss my ass.

    • Steve Thomas

      The team is going to get, at a bare minimum, comparable production for significantly less cost. That’s a win, to me.

      • Different_Cat

        I’d say it’s a bit of reach to assume Smith will be at least as good as Cousins … on this Redskins team. They were comparable last year when Smith was playing on a MUCH better team.

        • Coach JS

          We got to get you a Kool-Aid of the month subscription, DC. Geez.

    • kon, for now

      The Fuller trade puts a hard cap on how smart it can look.

      • Steve Thomas

        I’m honestly not phased one single bit about trading away a CB in order to ourselves set up with a top 10-ish QB for the next three years. The will already has his replacement on the roster and will just draft another CB.

        • kon, for now

          Wrong answer!

          – Joel Corry

          • Steve Thomas

            All Joel said was that he’d rather have given up another draft pick instead of Fuller. I agree with that. But he wasn’t terribly phased about losing Fuller, either.

      • alex35332

        It’s a brutal price for a QB, sure. But if you wanted to do some math, how much is a great QB worth?
        Is a C+ QB worth a B Cornerback? (IMO Smith is more than a C+)

    • mike5790

      I don’t think Kirk has malice

      whether he is conscious of it or not, this ALL gets back to a person who thought he was going to be a successful NFL QB with aspirations… taken in the 4th round, after the Trade and a presumptive starter taken 3 rounds earlier. And then, the team didn’t believe what he believed after 3 years. it is what it is, but yeah, the trade was a smart move, even if it is arguable about what they should have paid for it.

      So if Garoppolo is worth that deal AND a 2nd rounder… What’s Nick Foles worth? (in the NFL, not the pron industry)

      • Rick Deez

        Great point.

    • p1funk

      There are so many factors that need to play out over time to judge whether the Skins move for Alex Smith was a great deal, horrible deal, or something in the middle.

      But given the present situation of the Skins and the known factors they are dealing with real-time in front of them right now; it’s a good deal.

    • skinswest

      If Cousins were offered that deal and turned it down then he’s too stupid to be our QB.

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    Nice pull on Buffalo 66
    My parents were divorced at this point, I was a sophomore in highschool. My Mom was a Buffalo Bills bandwagon traitor “Jim Kelly is like, so hot, or something”, watching this game with my Pop, and seeing the joy he took from Jim Kelly’s beat-down, a beautiful thing, lol.

    • alex35332

      My parents both went to SUNY Buffalo in the 70’s, weren’t Bills fans, but it’s a small city and apparently wasn’t unusual for them to run into players back in the day, Buffalo is the AFC’s Green Bay in that way (but without the trophies).

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        BB(Ginas) outfoxed them, we just plain beat that ass.

    • kon, for now

      Good for Pop!

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        She talked smack with every visit that year, it was beautiful.

  • alex35332

    kon, for now kon, for now • 7 minutes ago

    It’s the whole game. Click, Watch on YouTube
    ——
    For younger guys up here, folks my age, mid 30’s and younger, it’s worth while to go back and watch those games on Youtube. I only remember bits and pieces of the ’91 game, and don’t remember anything of the Doug Williams superbowl or 83. Yes we all have seen highlights, and they are nice, but there’s something worthwhile sitting down and watching those games to finish.

    • walter_in_fallschurch

      those games were freakin’ awesome.

    • SCamp

      The size of the shoulder pads… sheesh

      • alex35332

        One thing that gets me, as an AV person. Just how little graphics were used in broadcasts. It’s almost uncomfortable now to watch and not having the down and distance, scores and stats in a little bar across the bottom of the screen,

        • mike5790

          it really got ramped up when Fox got the NFC contract

          • alex35332

            It wasn’t just that, it was also the technology changes that came along in the early 90’s, the computers made a big jump forward in terms of what you could do graphically, I know because I took my first TV production classes in 1991 (yes I was 8).

        • kon, for now

          Less is more

          Thankfully, recently, broadcasters have made their graphics less intrusive. For years, they took up way too much of the screen.

          Can’t tell you how many times graphics covered up the play on the field.

          And then there’s the damn tickers. Those things are pollution. Especially the god damn fantasy football nonsense.

          • SCamp

            The other thing about those tickers is if you are DVR’ing a game… you just got it spoiled

          • the_amazing_spiderman

            I really hate the large graphics that are made to look like they are really standing on the field. I don’t mind seeing the stats, but I am not impressed by the CGI because I know that damn stat board is not sitting on the field. Even worse… the fake animated players
            https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/58570719/20180204181855_1.0.jpg

    • mike5790

      Elway hits a TD on first play they had from scrimmage. That game was so OVER at 10-0.
      And then, it wasn’t.

      • the_amazing_spiderman

        When Doug Williams went down with what looked like a serious injury… only to come back and put up 35 points in the 2nd qtr. That was just amazing

        • HTTRsince65

          he fumbled on that play too but nobody saw/called it…. everything went right in that 2nd quarter

      • alex35332

        Yep, went and re-watched it in the last year. It’s just as tense

      • kon, for now

        I remember how deflated I was. Then I wasn’t!

    • kon, for now
  • SCamp

    The QB salary cap thing illustrated one point… you don’t win with money/me first guys at the helm… that’s not leadership. You win with team first guys.

  • alex35332

    For the record. Chris and Rich clearly take this way more seriously than Steve, Sean and I do. You can tell by the photo’s they have on the front of the website, Chris’ is a PR photo and Rich is in a suit.

    I took a selfie from the middle of fedex field, and Steve wont even let me use his real face.

  • btg

    Might be time to rework some deals to free up more space
    TW and RKERRIGAN come to mind

    • alex35332

      You can re-work them & Norman and have an extra 10-15 mill easy.

      • btg

        That’s what I’m talking about

    • kon, for now

      Get Norman and Reed in there.

      At least TWill and RK deliver on the field.

  • walter_in_fallschurch

    it’s sad, but i guess “it is what is is”, that we revel in events from 25 years ago.

  • Josh RosenSquinns

    Some NFL writers seem to think you need to pay a QB no matter who he is if he's your QB. This is a false narrative. If you overspend at QB, you can't use that cap space on others who elevate your roster. Here are the QB cap hits for champs prior to 2017 from Caponomics: pic.twitter.com/KdpGz0Nh0S— Zack Moore (@ZackMooreNFL) February 8, 2018

    • Josh RosenSquinns

      This was brought from previous thread. Sorry, emedding isn’t working.

      Cap, Schmap.

    • kon, for now

      Writers or….fan boys?

      There’s no two ways about it, handicapping the team to overpay on the QB position is just flat stupid.

      No telling how much more depth and or talent we might have had these last two seasons if $44m hadn’t been tied up by the QB.

      • mike5790

        if you paid a middling QB his market rate of 18-20 mil instead, you probably would be able to afford Brown at his market rate.

        so, the answer is probably 1 difference making player in FA
        a WR, DL, LB who WAS making 3-4 million on a rookie deal who is looking for 7-10 million.

    • mike5790

      otoh if you plan to win only when you have a QB on a rookie deal, I think that’s a pretty myopic plan that over-estimates one’s ability to pick franchise QBs

  • kon, for now
    • kon, for now

      It’s the whole game. Click, Watch on YouTube

      • kon, for now

        No idea why sharing is enabled when they don’t want it shared.

        It’s not like it matters. It’s still NFL owned and on youtube.

  • btg

    More draft and free agent posts please

    • Steve Thomas

      That’s coming next week. We sometimes like to do something different on Fridays.

      • btg

        Did you see my comment yesterday about Jason Tatum

    • mike5790

      you heard it guys, more mock drafts for greg!

      • btg

        I actually like the mock drafts

        Puts more names out there broadening my knowledge

  • SCamp

    Forst

    • Josh RosenSquinns

      Yu spelt it rong its furst

      -Flounder