2018 Draft Analysis, Part 1: Special Teams
February 8, 2018
by Adam Taraschke
[EDITOR’S NOTE: This is the first installment of our 2018 draft preview series, which will be written by Adam. We will publish a new installment featuring a different position group each week leading up to the draft, which begins on April 26. Since there’s a long way to go, we decided to start with an easy one and feature special teams this week.]
Draft season is upon us. With the combine in less than a few weeks I thought it would be a good time to start putting together some player rankings and draft profiles. Since it’s early I thought I’d take a look at the special teams players I think have a shot at the next level. Let me be clear: there will be more specialists joining the NFL this year than I have listed. The names listed are the players for whom I have draftable grades in this April’s draft. I also must clear up that I am of the mindset that no specialist should ever be drafted before the 7th round. They are valuable assets, but the juice is never worth the squeeze when you draft a specialist too high. With that being said here are my rankings for this year’s draftable punters and kickers.
Punters:
- Michael Dickson, Texas.
The reigning Ray Guy award winner for best punter in college football is Dickson. With his 6’3 frame comes great power and to compliment the power he has pinpoint accuracy. Averaging over 48 yards a punt Dickson has the size and natural ability to succeed in the NFL.
- JK Scott, Alabama.
Scott is another Ray Guy finalist. At 6’5 he can absolutely mash the football. He has a tendency to down the ball inside his opponents 20 yard line. With pro power and accuracy, it’s not out of the question to see Scott get drafted in April.
- Johnny Townsend, Florida.
Averaging just over 47 yards a punt, Townsend showed that his shorter stature does not limit his power in any way. He has great mechanics and kicks a consistently clean looking ball. He has NFL accuracy and lift on his kicks.
Kickers:
- Eddie Pineiro, Florida.
Florida had a ton of talent on their special teams this year. Pineiro is the clear cut #1 kicker in the country. He missed only 1 FG this season, going 17-18 on the year. Making multiple kicks past 50 yards in his tenure with the Gators Pineiro showed excellent power to go along with his elite accuracy.
- Emmit Carpenter, Minnesota.
Carpenter had a stellar 2016 campaign going a perfect 10-10 from beyond 40 yards. He slipped a bit in 2017, but the potential he showed in 2016 will be what carries him into the NFL. He has a massive leg with solid accuracy and repeatable mechanics. A strong build helps him create torque and consistently gets great lift on the football.
I actually don’t think the issue is over-paying at the QB position. Primarily the problem is, when you win you generally have to over-pay a lot of the key players on your roster. The 1-2% of the cap that goes toward over-paying the QB isn’t going to change that. The DL, WRs and other players who want to go from 4-7 mil to 10-12 mil matter much more because usually 1) they don’t have the impact on the game a QB does and 2) there are more of them (which additionally complicates matters… is the DE or the DT that’s the lynchpin?) So, in that sense, I disagree with Zack Moore’s premise. I agree in that you don’t want to overpay a poor QB, or egregiously overpay a QB (like paying Cousins 35 million) but the difference between 24 and 27 or 28 isn’t breaking a team. It’s the 3-4 guys who want 4-5 million pay increases, and the half dozen who want 2-4 mil more who do. A QB on a rookie deal is something else. But if you believe you can draft a QB who is elite in your system every 4-5 years, while consistently reloading your Def front 7 and OL, go for it.
Move along – new post: http://www.thehogsty.com/2018/02/09/bandwagon-revisited-another-trip-to-the-memory-museum/
So we have only two primary hot well water pumps to support casting. Pump two has been pulling high amps and for all intents and purposes, is down. This has been a reality for the past 3 days, yet….here we are. Pump #1 is struggling today, which means we’re struggling. Very Redskins like.
Culligan man!
I don’t think you grasp what I’m talking about, but that’s ok.
Seems like all vets aren’t down with this parade idea. From the former Navy SEAL who killed bin Laden:
https://twitter.com/mchooyah/status/961644132119859200
https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-military/2018/02/08/89-of-readers-say-no-parade/
But Mr. Bone Spurs wants a parade!
trump is planning a parade to glorify trump.
A parade is a good thing as it honors military service. What wouldn’t be good is moving significant real-world assets into DC to do a parade. A few fly-bys, a few units march, a few trucks, maybe? Fine. That’s what he’s talking about.
just seems a bit phoney, un-necessary, and not really our (American) style
No mobile ICBM platforms!? Well shit……
gosh… how much are the top qbs getting paid this offseason? oh, that’s right: we’ve got our qb, so i don’t care. it’s liberating.
The soap opera is over…
…at least for a while
Sorry to repost… but here it is. Last 7 SB Qbs and their salary rank. Couldn’t find data before 2011 season.
Year – SB Winning QB – Cap Rank (Highest paid QB that year)
2009 – Ben Rothlisberger ( ***)
2010 – Drew Brees (***)
2011 – Aaron Rodgers (***)
2012 – Eli Manning – 4th (M. Sanchez)
2013 – Joe Flacco – 16th (P. Manning)
2014 – Russell Wilson – 51st (E. Manning)
2015 – Tom Brady – 11th (E. Manning)
2016 – Peyton Manning – 6th (D. Brees)
2017 – Tom Brady – 18th (E. Manning)
2018 – Nick Foles – 47th (J. Flacco)
(***) Can’t find the data…. I am only human dammit!
Repost from last night:
The first Cap Hit column ranks the player’s cap hit on his own team.
https://twitter.com/ZackMooreNFL/status/961711229231394816
With mutant Spidey powers, not buyin’ it.
Does everything a spider can….
Excellent with geometry…
The advantages of eight frign eyeballs.
Phidippus regius is my personal favorite.
As deadly, to their prey, as they are cute
http://i.imgur.com/JFUjw2e.gifv
I love them, great pets. I’ve raised quite a few. Fearless.
You can grow them pretty big, too.
Fearless as fuck. Cracks me right the hell up how, when you approach one and they stop in their tracks, measure you…and put their dukes up.
Ready to throw down!
Yup. A regal can kill a wolf Spider 5X it’s size. Frogs, a mantis (if he hits them right), wasps, whatever. They attack prey/predators specifically by the skill set of that they present. Strategy from a spider.
Sorry, my data might look a bit off. The years represent the date the Super Bowl was played, not the NFL season. So 2018 is 2017 season, etc…
There was only one player in the SB that is the top paid at his position.
Gostkowski….the pat’s kicker.
3 doinks, or 2?
Think it was 2.
But I was drinking, so.
Lol, but they were compounded because, well….. Superbowl.
PFF released their 101 best players of 2017. The only Redskin on the list was … DOH! … Kendall Fuller at No. 74.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-top-101-players-from-the-2017-nfl-season?utm_content=buffer29fe7&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=college
Well, he’s TECHNICALLY still a Redskin…..
Is Kelly on the road?
The road less traveled, yes.
Painted desert
I was wondering that. Thought he would have announced he and the family were hitting the road.
But, there was some sort of confrontational exchange the other day. Didn’t see it myself. Wouldn’t be the first time Kelly went off to parts unknown for a while after getting into it with somebody.
He got into it with me on twitter… it was really innoccuous. I’m still not sure why he got so angry.
I miss the road sometimes….then I look at my kids, all that fades away.
Looking forward to a 2 week road trip sometime this summer myself.
Yeah, someday I’ll try to see if I can take two whole weeks to cross the country, lol, it’ll be nice.
To go slow……
Not tagging ARobinson by JVille would work out well for us
I don’t want Landry
He’d be too expensive
Landry is also a slot receiver; we have Crowder.
all the same, I’d find a place for him if you know… not 9-10 mil per. I mean, Pryor money spent on a productive WR would be like free money.
D_C said that Kirk’s salary was something like 13.1% of the cap. I’m assuming he got this from some source… but would like to verify…
Kirk got, what, $24M last year? What was the cap? 168M?
167
I challenge all of you to come up with what that percentage of cap is then…
[Inserts unfunny DC math joke, because, well, because of that one time.]
One time? You must have missed 2 nights ago…
True, but to be fair, I was actually RIGHT the first time. Espousing the controversial theory that we calculate time based on minutes AND seconds….
Make like “Frozen” and let it go…
Me?
Trying to explain yourself… just laugh and move on
well…. i get 14.4%. DC was underestimating.
Again, I’m assuming he got that from a source and not his own math…
Took that from an ESPN article:
“If the Redskins place the franchise tag on Cousins again, he’d count $23.95 million. That would take up 13.1 percent of their adjusted salary cap. Six quarterbacks carried a higher percentage this past season.”
http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/231360/percentage-of-cap-space-crucial-to-any-kirk-cousins-deal
Adjusted salary cap…… devil’s in the details.
So they are including carryover. I knew something didn’t add up
it was just under 13% the year before, but that’s the year, had they offered 22 (little over 14%) per avg with defacto 3 year deal, probably would have gotten it done. but, they wanted to see more before they paid him that.
Regardless of what you come up with (to be clear the answer is not 13.1%) his point was valid… that’s a higher percent of cap for a QB then any Superbowl winning QB in the last umpteen years.
I will be interested what Alex Smith gets… but it shouldn’t be 14% of the cap.
My point is…sure, Garappolo got the “market rate” for quarterbacks, but that doesn’t guarantee it’s the right move. They have a LOT of cap space this year so most of his salary will be in the first year, but what then after that.
I see the Redskins being in good cap shape. That also doesn’t guarantee they will be good. But we have money to re-sign some our own and get an impact player or two.
Well, I’m gonna go try and debate with the head of the AFL players union on twitter about their negotiations.
Give ‘um hell.
Why would I give him hell? I agree with what they want.
Basically want the teams to cover health care for players, which the teams don’t want to do, and want to increase the salaries to a living wage.
” ‘um” is open to interpretation, fwiw. If you agree, how is it a debate?
It’s more a dialogue, I’m gonna keep pushing Steve to get this guy on IJB (why not). I made a joke about never getting into fights with football players, he replied don’t forget about women athletes.
Sounds good.
Show me where the highest paid QB in the NFL has won a Super Bowl in the last 10 years.
This would require a lot of research to actually do.
I would guess… J Flacco, E Manning, R Wilson, and A Rodgers were highest paid for a moment… AFTER winning the Superbowl. that’s where the leverage usually is.
*R W got a big deal, but not sure he was highest paid?
Was looking at Manning.
His contracts were crazy team friendly for the most part: http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/eli-manning-4348/cash-earnings/
He would have 1 big payday when he’ed resign, 1 big hit, then it looks like he’ed be very team friendly for 3-4 seasons.
Plus, Brady ruins this statistic with his hometown deal and mega-star model wife.
He can be omitted, we won’t complain.
Last 10 SB Winning QBs
2008, 2012 – Eli Manning
2009 – Ben Rothlisberger
2010 – Drew Brees
2011 – Aaron Rodgers
2013 – Joe Flacco
2014 – Russell Wilson
2015, 2017 – Tom Brady
2016 – Peyton Manning
2018 – Nick Foles
Right but you now need to look up each’s salary that season + the salary of all 32 starting QB.s
Working on it…
https://twitter.com/_youhadonejob1/status/961970698150432768
Maybe they’re like the Dead, where the music never stops….
Radiohead is no jam band. Amazing live shows, some of the best I’ve ever been too, they go all in when they are playing.
Even when they break a string.
sounds about right
We’re all wasted!
I liked Radiohead from Pablo to Amnesiac.
I went with friends to see them tour for Hail to the Thief. They were pretty tight, as long as they had 30 sequenced tracks backing them like Karaoke night.
When they played “The Bends” and some other early stuff raw (just as a trio, no backing tracks) they were TERRIBLE. Couldn’t even keep time well. I lost major respect for them. Maybe it was just a bad night.
Or….they can’t jam.
I was into Radiohead for about 2 months, and yeah, it was for a girl.
it’s kinda the inverse/obverse of clapping before the song’s over.
They were just trying to be technical and spontaneous at the same time….the next step from just being technical. You know, like Jerry, or Hetfield.
speaking of technical, i went to see robert fripp (and the league of gentlemen) at “the bayou” years ago. such an awesome guitar player, but also such a dick. he would not start the next song until everyone in the audience was quiet. he admonished us several times….world class guitar player and world-class dick.
I would have had fun with that, lol
i saw king crimson at the bayou, too. omg, what a great show that was. it was the fripp/belew/levin/bruford line-up. wow… just wow.
Sure, but if they pull a Billy Joe Armstrong on the audience, I’ma act accordingly.
However, this has to be fake news. Major rock bands don’t tune their own strings like dudes at the coffee shop.
A tech hands them a new one and they keep playing.
And with electronic tuners it takes about 2 seconds to tune, not 3 minutes.
It’s Radiohead… it all sounds like crap.
la la la la ding ding ding laaaaaaa, ding ding la la la la……then suicide
Gunshot to the face
rawr-rawr-rawr-rawr-rawr die-die-die, bash-bash-bash blood blood blood death-death-die
what’s the problem?
Now THAT sounds like some good music. Who knew Radiohead got down like that
And if you think kill ’em all isn’t complex, well…………
Good transcendental melodies
Put on your headphones and leave your body behind
Not a fan… but to each his own
If you’re going to San Francisco, you’ll be sure to eat some gentle people there?
Has anyone seen how the Jimmy G. contract compares to A. Smith’s?
I mean, 5 years $138 vs. 4 years $91… sure, sure. But how do the real numbers compare?
Won’t know until the details of Smith’s extension are released.
Best answer yet.
Well we don’t know the exact numbers of Smiths.
But my understanding is that Jimmy’s is front loaded big hit this season, and Smith’s if anything is back loaded, and only getting 17-20 this year.
I haven’t seen anything confirming Garoppolo’s structure, it wasn’t on Spotrac this morning.
Alex Smith’s first year is known, his cap is $17 mil + whatever the signing bonus breakout will be for 2018. If he got a $20 mil signing bonus, I think then his cap hit would be $22 million, even-though he gets his bonus now, it only gets spread over 4 years (I think) because that is how long the extension would be. So, here again, that 5th year is totally fake with no dead money on it, though I suspect there are some roster g’s and (injury g’s– we know there are injury g’s) that make up the g’d money. We don’t know yet.
Yes that’s what I kinda expect, 17 M. + bonus, but no one’s 100% sure if its over 4 years or 5, and they could spread it out so it’s heavy next year or year 3. But odds are this year will be 20-22, something like that, you are right there.
I thought I saw someone say that Garoppolo’s deal was front loaded because of how much room SF had this season, so it just makes sense to do that.
if you were ready what I wrote, that was me speculating on what Garoppolo’s deal would be both for 2018 cap reasons, and for limiting dead cap in years 3-5 of the deal. modest signing bonus, nice g’d money year 1 and 2, then…????
Short answer….. blah blah blah.
You could go back and listen to our recent show where we talked to former NFL agent and contract expert J. Corry, where he points out that Smith’s is 91, but probably most of the gtd money is “injury” stuff. He speculated that it’s probably in the 40’s what the skins guaranteed for smith. http://www.thehogsty.com/2018/02/07/talking-qbs-with-joel-corry/
Oh, I thought his take was irrelevant?
I missed that.
Yeah, when the show first came up. Nobody liked what he said, well, some of us did.
Funny, it got a great reaction on twitters.
His take kinda blew some big theories on the blog, straight out the mofugging water.
it was reported that the $71 million figure is the injury g’d amount
the 40’s number sounds about right as that would then be maybe bonus plus 2nd year salary
Flounder knows all the deets.
The Jets prob could trade for Foles, they’d prob have to give up their #6 pick and maybe do a 2nd round swap or something. Heck, if you are the Eagles, swapping 1st and second round picks with the Jets and maybe adding a contingent 2019 pick would be a nice gain. they are not going to be able to keep everyone over the next couple of years so they’ll “need” the picks.
While it’s true that Jimmy G has only played 7 games, there are reasons to think he’s worth the contract he got:
* He’s 7-0 in his 7 games;
* He’s already show that he can elevate a pretty bad team. SF was 1-11 before JimmyG took the helm, with their only win coming against the lowly Giants. JimmyG took over and went 5-0, including wins against the Titans, Jags, and Rams.
* He learned from the best in TB12 and BB, and by all accounts he has all the intangibles.
Ikr?
– Cassell
Peeps making moves that the Redskins FO never even qualify to have an opportunity to pull off……. fingernails on a chalkboard up in here.
If it wasn’t a team with 110 mil in cap space and they had not the psychological burden of spending a 2nd round pick for him, he doesn’t get that deal
It looks to be about 0.5% (cap wise) higher than Derek Carr. And HE had 3 YEARS of tape, and led them to the playoffs.
But let’s remember, his deal could be like a 2 year deal, with 3 years of roster g’s at the back end. Look for a modest signing bonus + solid 1st year completely g’d salary because they can take a big hit and not sweat it in 2018.
I think he got the contract because SF would look like a stupid douche for trading away a 2nd round pick in order to win 5 useless games.
He’s a great fit in the offense and the Niners believe in him. What a concept.
Torrey Smith is prob going to be a free agent. Doubt they pick up his club option, given (as Flounder point out) that they’re over the cap (-4.7 mil based on rule of 51, -10.6 based on all contracts)
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/philadelphia-eagles/cap/
And if you didn’t know better, just looking at the number, you’d see a quick cut (based solely on contract)… some guy named Brandon Graham
Smith has always been one that I thought would be a good Vet presence, and can still kinda do the deep ball separation work that we need. Probably wouldn’t be a 1,000 yard WR but I bet he could produce for us better than Pryor last year.
You trade him ASAP, possible involves Wentz’s ETA, but the guy is a Superbowl MVP, Wentz and Foles on the same roster won’t end well.
Nick Foles has a cap hit of less than 8 million, and I don’t know what that auto void is about, if that ONLY applies to the Eagles roster, then it is an amazing contract to trade anytime before 23 days before the 2019 League year starts. If it applies to all rosters, then his contract is a one year deal, for 2018 only
If you are the Eagles, how long do you wait to trade Foles?
Better not wait to long, you can’t afford to keep him as your already over the cap.
ASAP, unless Wentz’s medical is iffy.
Isn’t Wentz projected to start on PUP? Maybe they don’t trade him
His value will never be higher then it is now.
I would suspect the trade happens once Wentz comes back off injury and plays a couple games. Week 5
Everyone will be set at QB by then his value will have decreased.
Someone will get hurt.
Someone always gets hurt.
Can’t argue with that. It’s up to Philly to determine what is more valuable. I am just banking on QB security being the only thing that keeps Foles off the market.
Agree. That’s a good team. Tough decision. But QB?
If Eagles are offered a 1st you don’t blink. Anything less i would hold off until Wentz prognosis is clear. Not worth losing games with Sudfield under center
Let’s put it this way: the Eagles cap hit for the QB position, including Foles, is about $12 million.
Maybe the fallout from THIS Superbowl loss will be more significant than that of previous years.
It’s been a rough morning for Boston Herald columnist Ron Borges.
Borges believed he had a major scoop in today’s paper: A column citing unnamed “sources” close to Tom Brady saying that Brady was ready to hold out of offseason work if the Patriots didn’t give him a significant pay raise, comparable to the contract the 49ers just gave Brady’s former backup Jimmy Garoppolo. But then WEEI revealed that one of its listeners had hoaxed Borges with a text purporting to be from Brady’s agent, and that the whole premise of Borges’ column was bogus.
The power of social media
spread like wildfire before anyone could figure out it was bogus
and reporters “hurrying” to be first without following journalistic practices
Wtf happened to double confirmation by 2 independent sources? Oh right that’s old journalism/rules. 1st 1st 1st
Agree…
BOTOH
If he gets beat to the story by some Joe Bob, then he doesn’t get credit, shouldn’t cited, and in his story SHOULD BE, “as first reported by Joe Bob”
they haven’t figure this social media stuff out yet, but the fact is, we’re all media now. and that is something that people haven’t figured out how to deal with yet. by what metric does the White House or some football club keep any of us out of a press conference? everyone knows that the metrics used to judge how much influence or impact a media entity or person has are completely bogus. “How many people listen to you?” “Well, our signal reaches 14 million people.” OR “we get 1 million page hits a day, *whispers* of which 95% are bots” “what was that last part?” “I have a cold.”
https://media.giphy.com/media/aMBang3Obq6Y/giphy.gif
and if you believe the metric hype, the most influential man in the world is not the POTUS
it’s Joe Rogan
That’s just embarrassing.
All he can do is wear that egg on his face in style.
I can do better
– Mike Wise
We don’t speak that name here
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/DeliriousSaltyEthiopianwolf-size_restricted.gif
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a37f6d417cc843ddce9c5f2190b29faf0e7e7aa88a9e4d938f9f1b6abb11b232.jpg
I can’t tell the two apart!
More BS and proof reportes are pathetic nowadays.
i DO enjoy the knowing who our qb is going to be next year and even 2-3 years from now. makes all that qb/salary/trades/blah blah blah fade into the background.
fro day…
Paul Richardson has played in 19 of a possible 64 games
WOW
Tom Brady will skip OTAs unless he gets paid like Jimmy G
– NBC Sports
The original author of the piece, Ron Borges, was punked by someone claiming to be Don Yee, Brady’s agent.
Story has been taken down by the Herald
There is no truth to this
Ah thanks! Didn’t know.
I edited my post to correct the error.
Somehow his phone number got into the wrong hands
He got the call and ran with it as legit
Ikr?
– Jenny
Didn’t get that 4 mil SB win bonus. NE will be in the QB market too…regardless
the problem with the Garopollo deal is kind of like that rube couple buys into a neighborhood too high of a price. people think it sets the market, and they get a rude awakening when they find out nobody else values homes at that rate, and the rube couple only did it because they came into some free money (lottery/inheritance, etc) and they weren’t that slick on the deal.
San Fran liked what they saw, did NOT want Garoppolo to take the Kirk Cousins route, and they have $111 million in cap room ($117 to 51). That does not mean that Aaron Rodgers and Matt Ryan get 20% of the salary cap for their extensions. I actually think it makes negotiations more difficult for everyone else not named Cleveland or the Jets (who are also loaded with cap space)
Whoa whoa. I’ve already used the goofy buyer overpriced house analogy.
Get your own!
my fault
It’s spot on though
Buyers gotta stop being swayed by comps and not allow sellers to get crazy with the market
Likewise, owners and FOs have got to reel these out of control QB contracts in or otherwise, more and more franchises will QB broke.
I’ve yet to watch any Jimmy G play outside of NE. Will have to take a look today…
frost!
no, really, frost. there was frost on my car this morning.
Haha!
Frost was with my girlfriend!
-Lawrence Phillips
There’s a 7 year frost warning for the entire State of Nebraska, it was issued last November.
Meteorologists have warned that the entire Big Ten footprint should be under alert, just in case.
I mean just google image Frost Warning, I could do this all day.
https://petroleyumdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/img_3121-2-e1485642657505.jpg?w=900&h=600
fap-fap-fap-fap-fap-fap-fap-fap-fap-faaaaaaaaaapppppppppppppppp………____.
– WIF
Probably bothers you that it melts away as the car warms up
eh…. not a big frost fan. not even a fan of cold, except as a prerequisite for snow.
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Xh_PzJAQjRc/WEsQCBbZCqI/AAAAAAAAM_k/F6PlUjsqxDk4waeqgspFul30b5ziTcB_gCEw/s1600/Schneelandschaft-SNOW.gif
That’s porn to WIF.
it is pretty damned hot! (err… cold) get a load of those icicles! and the snow drifts: hubba, hubba….
Yep
He’s jack’n it
Walt just nutted
Another morning of seeing and hearing what is going to be a mad scramble for QB’s in free agency as well as the draft and another morning now of liking the deal to bring us Alex Smith even more.
QB Cupboard is full. Only QB hungry club that will have given up 2 players for one when dust settles… But you know the saying. ‘You like that ” !
San Fran gave up a 2nd round pick and then paid the guy elite franchise money after 7 games
SEVEN! SEVEN miles per HOUR!
SEVEN! SEVEN! What the fuck you know about SEVEN!
– Grits-n-Gravy
Well they have excess draft picks and excess cash….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCmyZcBnC2M
Digging deep down in that pocketbook, got little slivers of weed and tobacco under your fingernails, just touched that nasty half melted lifesaver, again. The crinkling of old receipts, that clump of napkins you took from Starbucks….
Morning folks. Lotta Jimmy G hoopla yesterday. With jack like he is getting …obviuosly they think he is a ‘carry the team ‘ QB and closer when the chips are down. Looks like he is capable even w a short win streak. Furthermore w these escalating QB contracts…QBs will be expected to ‘carry the team’ and close out W’s w 28 mil /yr plus salaries I would think. Or expect QB trades or even cuts down the road when they can’t. Certainly would be my take. Get paid = Get W’s. Get paid + L’s (Osweilers/Kirks of the world) = Later gator = Hello Bakers of the world.
Good morning
Attaboy
Lol
some people talking on the radio this morning
and I think they’re right
if the Skins had made that deal for Garopollo, they’d be getting murdered for it
it would basically be like ripping up Kirk’s rookie deal and giving him a 15% (maybe not 16% because J G’s rating has been better in San Fran) deal at the end of 2014 (9 starts, 5 under Gruden)
A deal like that in 2014?
5 years, 99.8 million, $54mil g’d
But would YOU have given Kirk a 5 year deal in March 2015?
Even if they did…he would have 1 more year to play on that contract and it would all start over again after the ’18 season w contract extensions or renegotiations. Past catches the future here. So the Skins are a year early letting Kirk walk….Skins only flub was trading pick and player in panic mode when not necessary…
Dude had 25 Ints and ended the Skins season 2nd week of October in ’14 and finally benched .Doubt anyone woulda high priced or even mid priced KC back then.
Grant Paulsen and crew maybe…
if there was fault, it might have been that the Skins offered him a 1 year old deal in 2015. I dunno. because the reported 19 mil deal they offered in 2015 would have been a solid deal had it just been 1 year earlier (assuming his performance was 2015 esque in that year earlier)
Too much however much offered…
I’m expecting the Garopollo deal to be partially front loaded and partially fake on the backload
Where’s the fun in that?
Everyone is burning money, wtf…..
thermal oxidizers would seem to be overkill?
There is no overkill, we’re operating with infinite surplus, right?
Your score is: 18673 (GRADE: B)
Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 13: Quenton Nelson, OG, Notre Dame (A)
Round 2 Pick 26 (ATL): Harrison Phillips, DT, Stanford (B+)
Round 2 Pick 31 (N.E.): Sony Michel, RB, Georgia (A)
Round 4 Pick 13: Dalton Schultz, TE, Stanford (A+)
Round 5 Pick 12: Michael Gallup, WR, Colorado State (A+)
Round 6 Pick 14: B.J. Hill, DT, North Carolina State (A+)
Round 7 Pick 23: Greg Stroman, CB, Virginia Tech (A+)
Round 7 Pick 30 (SEA): Secdrick Cooper, FS, Louisiana Tech (C)
Round 7 Pick 32 (SEA): Kyle Lauletta, QB, Richmond (B-)
NBC’s being a jerk about the Olympics.
they burned money like there was no tomorrow running ads for it during the Superbowl instead of banking commercials they get paid for. they need to make the money.
Hehehe
Your score is: 18312 (GRADE: B-)
Your Picks:
Round 2 Pick 1 (CLE): Harold Landry, OLB/DE, Boston College (A-)
Round 2 Pick 3 (CLE): DaRon Payne, DT, Alabama (A)
Round 2 Pick 12: Will Hernandez, OG, Texas-El Paso (B+)
Round 4 Pick 13: Michael Gallup, WR, Colorado State (A+)
Round 5 Pick 12: J.C. Jackson, CB, Maryland (A+)
Damn. I missed mixed doubles curling
Ahwell
Shani Davis is a whiny brat.
I need cake pans
Cake pans and coffee
Coffee first
Garrapolo’s deal is stupid. It reeks of overpaying to keep him in town.
Which is good, right?
Only in the sense of a conference opponent going broke for a QB and having little left for the rest of the roster.
Which is good.
That, compounded with Kirky poo going to another conference team for a similar amount…
they had money to burn
and that’s why they could do it, I wouldn’t be surprised if it is front loaded
And so it begins. Garapolo got 90ish mill guaranteed on a 5 year contract, compared to 71 mill we guaranteed to Alex Smith on a 5 year contract (details pending). Garapolo has 7 starts to his name, so start imagining what Kirk Cousins is going to get. The savings that the Redskins are tucking away with this deal will be massive by comparison.
Jaws were dropping at the announcement of the Smith numbers, and I said “wait and see” because once other deals get done, people won’t even be batting an eyelash at what we gave Smith.
Blah blah blah, get in line with Noone for a complimentary back-slap and attaboy.
Smith will be 34 and has been around for a while. He’s made a boat load of money. One could argue paying for future success in Jimmy G. at such a young age. Time will tell.
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For reference, KC consumed 13.1% of our cap last year.
https://twitter.com/ZackMooreNFL/status/961711229231394816
Glad that’s over… what’s Alex Smith’s? What is the cap # next year?
Wait… 13.1? Was he paid $24 million? What was the cap $168 Million?
His cap number should be in the 15-17mil range.
his current 2018 is 17 mil, but that’s notwithstanding the signing bonus
his deal included an extension, so he’ll play under his 2018 contract (last year), but he will receive his signing bonus this year. what that means (I think) is that year 5 is totally fake. No dead money year 5.
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Sadly he was tackled for a loss by his loony neighbor, deflating his nuts in the process.
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She’s not dead? Who knew…
Sure, Jr., go play in the fountain!
https://twitter.com/HoldThisBeer/status/961625477839540224
aquí, espera mi cerveza!
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I still can’t believe the majority of Republicans have agreed to such a huge increase in deficit spending… scumbag liars
One (Paul) is holding the whole thing up.
I know… good for him. But it’s just for show
What did you expect, after they rammed through tax cuts that will increase the debt by trillions of dollars?
That I agree with. Spend less of our money… I want to keep more of my money. I want government to spend less. You and I will never agree on that. I accept the fact that you believe all money somehow belongs to the government. You will just have to accept the fact that I believe all money belongs to those that earn it.
Oh right. Winter Olympics
Ehh
Booooo
Started watching Amazon’s Britannia tonight
Roman Legionaries and Druids with English accents and slang…kinda funny
Good Valentine’s Day gag gift. For her of course.
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For those unfamiliar…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKLnhuzh9uY&list=PLnm7H327yQfyDKuUfd-3DwGkDTGPB9EkO
This is just hilarious
Not a gag gift, the stuff works!
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Some scaling required
That Sarsour woman…could use with a good vibrator.
Why waste a perfectly good vibrator?
They’re made in China. So, no great loss. Also, it would go a long way in preventing that harpy from polluting young minds and radicalizing them to her cause.
Consider it neutralizing a potential threat before it actually becomes something damaging.
So you jam it down her throat?
Just give it to her. Maybe link an instructional video.
I like my idea better
I don’t have the sadist gene.
But I do believe in comeuppance.
I’ve gotta say… I said Kirk was going to be unaffordable. Garrapolo’s contract pretty much guarantees that someone is going to overpay this guy. I’m glad it’s not us. Smith’s contract is starting to look pretty reasonable.
7 damn starts and he got that contract.
Cousins’ deal, with 57 starts, should be in the $200 million dollar range.
As long as nobody fucks up and our off-season is reasonably good, guy should get a fair shake. This includes Jay.
Maybe he plays alittle loose with Jay. I’d like to see him put his money where his mouth is as far as that whole “take more chances” thing.
Where everyone at?..hopefully not taking Wall Street as a sign to jump off a cliff or building. It’s a correction, inevitable.
We’re at the Bud Light Free Beer Party, where are you?
I’m in the wrong place obviously.
Ahhh… pee water
Smart people are buying during this correction
Indeed
One update today from SB Star-Tribune, so the counts looks like
Da’Ron Payne, DT, Alabama 7
Calvin Ridley, WR, Alabama 5
Roquan Smith, ILB, Georgia 5
Derwin James, S, Florida State 4
Vita Vea, DT, Washington 2
Baker Mayfield, QB, Oklahoma 2
James Washington, WR, Oklahoma State 1
Josh Allen, QB, Wyoming 1
Tremaine Edmunds, OLB, Virginia Tech 1
Who does Scot McGlue’s scouting service have us picking?
Matt Jones
Glen Fiddich
Glen livet
Macallan
Johnnie Walker
Glenmorangie
No one from Scotland drinks that Johnnie Walker crap… not even the blue
Want a real Scotch? look up Glen Scotia and try a couple different ones. If you are a scotch drinker… you’ll thank me.
Of those you listed, though, Macallan makes a superb spirit
Glenmorangie Signet Single Malt
Crickets…..
Virginia senator Warner look out! didn’t want a paper trail when reaching out to a Russian oligarch. you can’t make this s*** up
What the f*** am I missing? On Tucker Carlson just now there was some Democratic candidate that said that illegal immigrants deserve the right to vote! I thought you had to be a citizen.
Illegals vote Democratic so of course DEMS think they should vote
as much as people ridicule the president of the United States and his low approval rating which is around 40%, congress’s is about half that
Nancy Pelosi has the worst approval rate of any politician
…and according to Rasmussen it’s 49%
http://time.com/5132016/donald-trump-approval-rating-rasmussen/
…although most polls have it between 40 and 42%
He said they deserve a voice. Voting, never came up. Also, he was speaking on non-citizens who work, pay taxes, contribute and otherwise have assimilated to the US.
Wow, very slow day here.
too many hamsters flushed down toilets
enjoy the ride…
Jason Kelce doing his best Jessie Ventura imitation.
https://twitter.com/nflnetwork/status/961690122772254720
Your score is: 21599 (GRADE: A-)
Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 20 (DET): Roquan Smith, ILB/OLB, Georgia (A)
Round 2 Pick 12: James Washington, WR, Oklahoma State (A)
Round 2 Pick 16 (LAC): Derrick Nnadi, DT, Florida State (B)
Round 2 Pick 19 (DET): Will Hernandez, OG, Texas-El Paso (A-)
Round 4 Pick 13: Luke Falk, QB, Washington State (A+)
Round 4 Pick 19 (LAC): Holton Hill, CB, Texas (A+)
Round 5 Pick 12: Jaylen Samuels, RB/WR, North Carolina State (A+)
Round 6 Pick 16 (BALT): Terrell Edmunds, SS, Virginia Tech (A+)
Round 7 Pick 13: Richie James, WR, Middle Tennessee (A+)
Round 7 Pick 20 (BALT): Adam Breneman, TE, Massachusetts (A+)
Round 7 Pick 23: David Moa, DE, Boise State (A+)
Who’s gf or wife is from Phithy? This is insane
https://twitter.com/barstoolbigcat/status/961628138299150336
Dumb chicks. Shaking my god damn head.
This is really fucking stupid
https://i.imgflip.com/2484gv.jpg
Those are somebody’s daughters! Shudder…..
The parents will deny it
Gross
Must be shift change time
First Europeans were not white, but dark brown with blue eyes
Ok?
Cheddar Man news
Spirit Airlines employee told student to flush emotional support hamster down the toilet, student alleges
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Don’t fly Spirit they kill peeps
https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/961695483638026240
Gotta buy the dips man… stock market will rebound.
Jimmy G got a Whole Lotta Lovin’
$137.5M 5 years, $90M g’money
Gimme Some Lovin’
— Kirk Cousins
This is Randolph Duke. Advise our clients interested in bellies to buy at sixty-four. Mr. Valentine has set the price.
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White House just completed background on Rob Porter, said good he resigned because we would have fired him if he was around today
F-ing idiots.
Slow day today
yeppers
Obviously, we don’t seem to have an answer.
Some of us don’t even have a question.
they count on all of us not questioning, just follow like lemmings
Tbf, they named themselves hamsters…
Who are we talking about you not forced to follow anyone.
If we’re STILL not in “win-now” mode, when will we be?
Stay the course! 50 year rebuild!
I’m sick of that fuggin nonsense.
it’s beyond pathetic
Ideally never.
the last few decades have been ok with you? smh
No. But a great team keeps building, never panics, reloads and drafts well each off season. So they never panic and think their window is only a year or two
So, I get ya, a GREAT team, not ours… Too bad we can’t seem to get there. what’s our team philosophy? Direction? How and When are changes made to meet this philosophy? Idk if we have any of that. smdh
Yes. I wish we could. Some of the building blocks were there IMO a year ago.
I don’t think the evidence shows we have that Alex.
You gotta get to the mountain top to stay on the mountain top.
Alex Smith…championship
I would rather us build a team that is contending every season than “win-now” and return to perennial losers.
I would love to see us hoist the Lombardi trophy once again… but if it means shitty football for 20+ more years forget it.
My question is more of what is our Team philosophy? How and When would changes be made to stay true to a stated philosophy? If we have one, it should be adjusted since we’ve been horrid for decades.
They haven’t read that far yet.
is that win-now or win, now?
Just get this shitshow fixed and start winning. Be legit every year
It’s faster horses
younger women
older whiskey
and more money
Regarding JG: “Ian Rapoport was reporting earlier this week that a deal could get done in the coming days, and it turns out he was spot on.”
Never thought I’d see that written anywhere, ever.
smash cut
He isn’t signed at all, goes to the Jets in FA
49ers could still be in play for KC- Rapport
Well, they COULD trade JG. But won’t.
74 million dollar cap hit??
Good for Jimmy G., and he looks like a great fit for the Niners in ‘Lil Shanny’s offense.
time will tell fa sure. Either way they have their QB for the next several years.
And they have a pick in every round coming up, plus an extra 3rd and 7th. Not needing to take a QB is large.
Another crazy volatile day in the markets. Dow Down as far as 600 points. Wall Street has erased all gains since November.
Every pundit has a different theory, which cracks me up. Either way, some great deals can be had, if you have a longer-term investment horizon. Ford (F) for example, is trading at 3-year lows at $10.56 per share. Pretty sure Ford isn’t going away any time soon.
Good call out there
Back to the good ol daysBruce alex35332 • 7 minutes ago
he’s going off on Bruce and skins FO in reference to Garrapolo deal and skins not figuring out Kirk situation. Something about never franchising your QB…idiotitc. How many games has JImmy G. played?
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The difference is Jimmy actually wanted to sign with the 49ers and was willing to negotiate with them, Kirk never negotiated with the Redskins and never had any intention of signing here before becoming a FA.
Also Jimmy got about the same deal as Stafford, Kirk appeared to want more than that.
Although we wont know until we see his actual deal.
then why even tag him? What’s the point?
even noting the cap increase, the fact that Garopollo got about what Stafford did says that they really didn’t want him to go franchise tag; but it’s a Matt Cassel type gamble
If you think that the 49ers offered Jimmy exactly what he wanted on the first offer than your stupid. I would bet that they went back and forth several times before agreeing to a deal.
Despite the lip services, KC didn’t want to be here. He’s a phony.
KSFTSOBAL
(Kirk Schmirk, F that SOB A-Hole Loser)
AL-?
Your score is: 18296 (GRADE: B-)
Your Picks:
Round 2 Pick 5 (NYJ): Vita Vea, DT, Washington (A)
Round 2 Pick 12: Sony Michel, RB, Georgia (B+)
Round 2 Pick 17 (NYJ): Harrison Phillips, DT, Stanford (B-)
Round 4 Pick 13: Dalton Schultz, TE, Stanford (A+)
Round 5 Pick 12: Michael Gallup, WR, Colorado State (A+)
Round 6 Pick 14: Skyler Phillips, OG, Idaho State (A+)
Round 7 Pick 13: Greg Stroman, CB, Virginia Tech (A+)
Round 7 Pick 23: Secdrick Cooper, FS, Louisiana Tech (C)
Lack of ol concerns
But very good overall
Seriously? – Skyler
I’m holding out hope for one of the top names
You know it’s probably gonna be one, or the other. Top DT – Mid OG, or the opposite.
Agreed
Depends on what has more depth between the two positions
That was giving up 13 to the Jets, anyway. They said no to Kirk, drafted Mayfield.
Gallup’s gotta be fast.
He is, runs down the rabbits I sell to Alex.
I thought you sold sheep to Alex.
We go back to colonial days, me and mine are gonna be just fine, beyond that, it doesn’t matter.
I have a sheep guy already. Well technically it’s a old lesbian couple
40 Low: 4.42 40 Time: 4.52 40 High: 4.62
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=1017595&draftyear=2018&genpos=WR
Remember how bummed out most people were when we learned that the Quick boys just had average speed last pre-season.
But none of them had anything on old Mac Speedie who played for the Browns in the late 40’s and early 50’s. Who, in his rookie season averaged 23.5 ypc.
I just don’t know that Michel is an NFL back, and if he is, is he different enough than CT?
He’s bigger I think. Probably could be more durable.
Nice ‘lil trade down there, bc.
Thanks Sand. You know we’ll gain a bunch more hunting range when all that shit breaks down, lol.
Chris Russell is a tool but I think most already knew that
Is this just a general reminder, or we got a reason today for it?
he’s going off on Bruce and skins FO in reference to Garrapolo deal and skins not figuring out Kirk situation. Something about never franchising your QB…idiotitc. How many games has JImmy G. played?
As a general rule I simply ignore that guy. Now will be no different
and furthermore, it was Garopollo that blinked. he could have forced them to franchise him, ostensibly
but he didn’t because they probably “overpaid” for him. I mean, a GREAT deal for him should have been D Carr
Skins aren’t the only team that loves them some certainty.
JG played in 7. And agree with SCamp, better to ignore the guy.
Water is wet.
Rick is a liberal.
Scamp is contentious.
Beep is a curmudgeon.
Walter is a ballerina.
Contentious? Fuck you… I am NOT!!!
lol @ Walter
alex35332 Team Captain Zig-Zag_BC • 43 minutes ago
So would 99% of the people here.
1st, the mortality rate was ridiculous, people died of everything from a simple cold to beaver attacks.
2nd, almost no one here really possess a real skill that was valued at the time, basically if you weren’t a farmer you were some kind of smithy or skilled labor, most of which are extinct jobs. And all the lawyers an scholarly types here would have been killed by angry mobs (this wasn’t uncommon in those times)
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I can build a home from the ground up, farm, and kill and skin shit.
FINALLY! SOMEWHERE I FIT IN!
Haha, it does sound good
Alex assures me that we would all die.
We’re all gonna die
No, I just said you’re gonna die, from repeated beaver attacks.
SCamp will probably be just fine.
I try to get attacked by beaver on the reg…
It may, indeed, kill me one day. But I’ll die with a smile
Sour little Hobbit, you are.
Just remember, this is your 1700’s drill:
https://img.etsystatic.com/il/37d26a/384109190/il_570xN.384109190_nxpw.jpg
And it’s not far apart from what they use as toilet paper in that time period.
One of my retirement goals is to build a cabin with my bare hands and no power tools. I already have the plot of land picked out in Tennessee
I mean, my grandparents cabin in Lake George was all built in the 50’s with out power tools, though I’m sure they had the wood pre-cut and didn’t make their own 2×4’s or glass windows.
When we went to clear the land for my dads house I was out there at 10 years old with a 2 man saw helping clear the trees out.
One of my parents friends finished hand building an adobe house in Santa Fe about 5 years ago. Hand carved the wood beams and all sorts of shit. Took him more than a decade. It’s amazing… and the view is ridiculous
Was watching a documentary on a still used adobe home (think in AZ) that’s 600 years old, was something like 5 stories tall. Only two change the people who lived there made to it, adding doors on the ground floor homes & they ran some power to some of it. Impressive how well designed those structures were.
Would you like me to build you a sawmill?
A 1700’s sawmill?
Yeah
Sure… better get started. Send it COD
I think you’ll just buy lumber from me.
dynamite is faster
But that would have damaged the tennis court, my great grandfather would have been real upset.
it’s going to have to be ADA accessible
or you’re going to have to grease some palms
“this dwelling requires and elevator…”
*peels off thee crisp $$$*
“wait, this isn’t commercial…”
They may have a hard time finding it…
the tax man ALWAYS finds it
…but he may not make it outta there… and bodies are sometimes hard to find.
I remember when the county administrator came along looked at all of our houses and was outraged that not a single one had a house number. Demanded we fix it right away.
we grabbed some sticks from the woods, and nailed them to the side of the home to make a 40 before he left. Damn Government.
Dude……I play this.
I actually studied “farming” in college for awhile, and I’m heir to some irrigated land, and in theory, with some almost legal labor, prob could build a house. but it would be like totally German. I mean, waaaaay over spec for concrete foundation, screws, bolts, etc. Cat 6 Hurricane roof. lots of lexan
don’t forget “compression waves”…..
thanks for the reminder, have to put dampeners in the foundation
South Platte?
closer to the Republican
Ah, you’re one of those crazy southwestern boys…
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000915489/article/niners-agree-with-jimmy-garoppolo-on-record-5year-deal
The 49ers agreed to terms on a five-year contract with Jimmy Garoppolo worth $137.5 million, NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo reported, per a source informed of the decision. The deal is the largest in NFL history on an average-per-year basis.
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So, Kurt, a 5/$75mm deal is good, right?
-Bruce
Includes free tokens at Harvest Fest
Someone is going to give Cousins $30m a year once the available QBs start to dry up.
**** that!!!!
-Green Bay
Not so sure about that
yeah, I’d put kirk maybe at half a mil more per year, but let’s remember this is the NFL
that contract is as fake as my mock drafts the last couple of years, likely
he has so much less tape than even D Carr, that that is a crazy deal
so the next time you accuse our FO of saving face… this is San Fran front office saving face, getting it done way before FA, and the psychology of the sunk cost of a draft pick
https://twitter.com/bycycle/status/961661300492460033
does kyrie wonder what the underside of the earth looks like, or was that all a joke?
Duh, it looks the same but everything’s in Chinese.
the guy is lucky he can ball like a mofo. he cannot really believe the earth is flat. that’s just a joke, right?
…and upside down
Thanks Jimmy!!! – KC
Kirks will be 4/$115 mil
713, JTatum is twice the player that lonzo is
I’ll take it.
21: R1P21 LB ROQUAN SMITH GEORGIA
22: R1P22 DL VITA VEA WASHINGTON
44: R2P12 G WILL HERNANDEZ UTEP
115: R4P13 WR DANTE PETTIS WASHINGTON
151: R5P12 RB KALEN BALLAGE ARIZONA STATE
191: R6P14 CB HOLTON HILL TEXAS
231: R7P13 DL NATHAN SHEPHERD FORT HAYS STATE
241: R7P23 CB DARIUS PHILLIPS WESTERN MICHIGAN
I’ll take it also
That Bills trade…ain’t gonna happen
You never know! Mayfield drops to 13? Which is exactly what happened in this draft.
that RB better be a baller
No… he just has a giant sack
Rumors are Jimmy G got 5/137
Guaranteed hasn’t been announced
was just about to post. Only a 2nd rounder…..
Pat’s screwed up on that trade
Certainly looks that way.
It would be interesting to see what their angle was.
Can’t make any sense out of an offer like that for a guy whose career numbers are 183 of 272 passes and 12 TDs in just 7 starts
7 – 0.
This is one time where this is the ONLY stat that matters
So does Cousins get a better deal than this???
*smirk
Cavs just traded Jae Crowder and Derek Rose, too. So they now shipped out Thomas, Frye, Crowder, Rose, and a 1st rd draft pick for Jordan Clarkson, Larry Nance, Jr., and Joe Johnson. I guess Lebron knows what he’s doing with all of these trades.
By COB they will have 11 all new players around Lebron.
….and then Lebron will leave in free agency anyway.
No kidding. They will have some youngish guys to go with that Net’s pick at least.
Lue will have his work cut out for him getting all those new faces working together.
Update: Dwayne Wade is now gone, too. Traded back to Miami. Plus traded away Iman Shumpert for Rodney Hood and George Hill. The blood-letting continues.
So now the tally is, Crowder, Rose, Thomas, Frye, Shumpert, Wade, and a 1st rd pick all gone, for Clarkson, Nance, Hill, Hood, and something for Wade. Wow.
Maybe my joke that they are just gonna put 11 new guys on that team wasn’t a joke?
Well, that’s 6 of 14, assuming they had a full roster, minus Lebron, so they’re almost halfway there.
Joe Johnson went to Utah… not the Cavs
Is it possible that the Redskins actually draft a kicker this year? Hopkins contract expired.
And he’ll be a sniper.
I assume he resigns, we cut Rose who was on a 2 year deal, probably wouldn’t have if they didn’t have a plan.
our kicker is fine. kickers are a dime-a-dozen. why draft one
We technically don’t have a kicker, which is why I brought it up. A draft pick would be a cheaper option than Hopkins.
two 7th round picks
do you realize how lucky americans, and he world, are that our founding fathers were such intellectual mofos?
Be thankful for religion too.. because that had a lot to do with their forefathers convictions of coming to America in the first place.
they were revolutionary in trying to separate religion from government. that is the single most revolutionary thing they did. changed the world. before that, every country was beholden to this or that god. not america.
well, they didn’t want a pope, a king, or tyrannical masses; and for many, that has it roots in their religion; but several of them were Unitarian which was more Deist than many of the conservative sects that followed
they did not care what your religious beliefs were. that’s the beauty part.
Well Hamilton wanted a King. Well to be more exact, Hamilton had a plan to eventually make himself King. That’s one reason why Burr killed him.
All of them except for Benjamin Rush
That guy was a psychopath.
don’t know about him. tell me more.
Actually wasn’t terrible, but one of his big contributions to society was that he attempted to classify mental illnesses (which was good) but he tried to fix them through crazy nonsense like blood letting and forms of torture.
By the power of Grey Skull?
You would get manhandled in colonial america.
most likely, yes.
I’d protect you, though, how are you with a horse-drawn single bottom plow?
C’mon Walt, you only have to do ten rows the first day, then I’ll let you draw a springhouse.
So would 99% of the people here.
1st, the mortality rate was ridiculous, people died of everything from a simple cold to beaver attacks.
2nd, almost no one here really possess a real skill that was valued at the time, basically if you weren’t a farmer you were some kind of smithy or skilled labor, most of which are extinct jobs. And all the lawyers an scholarly types here would have been killed by angry mobs (this wasn’t uncommon in those times)
Finally, I’m in the 1%! Winning!
^ Beaver Attack fatality.
You wish, my squaw and I would be sporting beaver pelt underpants! You really have no idea, eh?
Shows how little you know. That’s a waste of good beaver pelt, and those things were traded like gold. They were what most of the economy was in Canada at the time.
It’s called sarcasm, I read the same history books you did. You don’t know, I can’t fix that.
There are people in this world who blend modern living with old world living, I’ll throw you some corn when times get tough.
Corn was new world.
And that post tells it all.
Upstate NY is a long walk, head West Southwest if you want to live.
450 ish Miles. SW is no harder.
Don’t go Southwest, you must go West Southwest or you’ll undershoot sanctuary.
Round 2 Pick 2 (NYG): Malik Jefferson, ILB, Texas (A-)
Round 2 Pick 12: Isaiah Wynn, OG, Georgia (A)
Round 2 Pick 20 (BALT): Harrison Phillips, DT, Stanford (B+)
Round 2 Pick 23 (CAR): Auden Tate, WR, Florida State (A-)
Round 3 Pick 2 (NYG): Tim Settle, DT, Virginia Tech (A)
Round 4 Pick 13: J.C. Jackson, CB, Maryland (A+)
Round 5 Pick 12: Josh Adams, RB, Notre Dame (A+)
Round 6 Pick 14: Jordan Akins, TE, Central Florida (A+)
Round 7 Pick 13: Joshua Kalu, FS, Nebraska (C)
Round 7 Pick 23: Darren Carrington II, WR, Utah (A+)
Just keep pickin’ #66
well, I might have traded back 1 too many times, but if Settle pans out in this fake fantasy game, then it would be all good
Tech or not, not really a fan.
No POONA? smdh
priority UDFA!
Lol
For Dallas
That’s out of bounds!
LOL someone just called into the fan with my crazy theory that the skins could re-neg on the trade still and resign kirk.
That would be hard since Kirk is not going to sign here.
I mean I wrote it as a joke this morning.
Sarcastic Alex= Serious Radio callers.
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sounds about right, though I’d go under 0.10%
…….if it ever stops, I’ll change it, deal?
mmmm, key lime pie minus 3.
Well…..3 is a stretch.
Sources: Cavs deal Thomas, Frye to Lakers for Clarkson, Nance.The Lakers have traded Jordan Clarkson and Larry Nance to the Cavaliers for Isaiah Thomas, Channing Frye and a 2018 protected first-round pick, league sources tell ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski.
Damn, Larry Nance is like 58 years old!
LOL Jr.
I think I’d still take Sr.
https://twitter.com/dan_labbe/status/961650342638374913
damn…. that is an impressive pic.
Nance Jr. is awesome. Definitely has dad’s talent. He’s in the slam dunk contest this year, finally.
He’s that old dude who spots up and hits the mid-range jumper…every time.
Makes the Cavs younger and lets the Lakers clear cap space top make a run at Lebron next year.
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did someone math-challenged pick a committee with 8 members so that a vote could end in a tie?
odd number people, odd numbers
is there a vacant seat on the committee?
I am just waiting for the day when the NFL has two teams that are tied for the last wild-card spot, and it comes down to a coin-toss. Ooooooohhhh how salty the loser will be…..
So you are saying my idea of expanding the SCOTUS to 20 won’t work?
if Kirk took his $44M and bought an annuity he could probably get about $250K a month for the next 40 years
Bullock thinks the Skins should go after Dion Lewis or Isaiah Crowell in FA. Derp. Not interested in adding another unspectacular-but-serviceable RB to our current stable of unspectacular-but-serviceable RBs.
I’ve been pushing Lewis for a while. Perfect type of back for Jay’s offense. Crowell’s good but not so different from Kelley and Perine.
And what do you do with Chris Thompson?
They both have durability concerns, so you play one when the other is banged up.
But which is the “backup car”?
That’s quite a luxury. Good luck paying them and sorting out the time-share when both are healthy.
…or we could just keep Thompson and have Kapri Bibbs on the backup
Pats seemed to do pretty well alternating White and Lewis.
No thanks
Lewis and CT overlap
Crowell absolutely
Unfortunately that’s like saying we don’t need another TE because he’d overlap with Reed.
Waiting for Ernie to trade a Wizards pick for a big man with knee problems. Oh yeah! Nevermind! He’s already traded away all the trade-able picks.
They need to embrace what they are, with Walls injury, fire sale the season outside of Beal and Porter, and get anything you can for their older players.
for those of you who have lived in FL
The man who founded 1-800-ASK-GARY was arrested in Manatee County and charged with DUI.
The Manatee County Sheriff’s Office said a vehicle driven by Gary Kompothecras, 57, was traveling 100 mph early Thursday on the JD Young Bridge in Bradenton. The vehicle was stopped, and a deputy “could smell the odor of an alcoholic beverage” from the vehicle.
Kompothecras was instructed to do a number of tests that he failed, and he was placed under arrest, according to an arrest report. He also refused to provide a breath sample, authorities said. He was taken to the Manatee County Jail.
The website for 1-800-ASK-GARY refers to the company as “an attorney and medical referral service for people involved in an auto accident or other type of personal injury in Florida.”
they had some of cheesiest commercials on radio and TV
Steve will get excited.
Kevin O’ConnorVerified account @KevinOConnorNBA
3m3 minutes ago
I’m hearing it’s Isaiah Thomas, Channing Frye, and the Cavs first to Lakers for Clarkson and Nance.
I’m not that excited about giving up Clarkson and Nance for Thomas. Isaiah has been terrible. I assume that both of those guys must be on 1 year deals for the Lakers to consider it.
Your getting a pick out of it.
Okay, I see that both of those guys are in the last year of their deals, so this trade is about getting rid of Clarkson’s contract, and the price to do that is Nance. This is a “get Lebron and Paul George” move.
Yeah, that’s what they were saying on the radio is that LA want’s Bron
Just read an ESPN article about Isaiah Thomas saying he’s tired of getting traded…
poor multi-millionaire…
Yeah…like Kirk Cousins. Poor guy got abused and disrespected by the Skins…to the tune of 50ish mill.
Coin toss wasn’t fair… SMH
https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/961630988735524865
For non-twitter folk:
US speed skater Shani Davis says the coin toss that decided luger Erin Hamlin will be flag bearer at the Winter Olympics was “dishonorably” done http://cnn.it/2nM7I3n
Thanks CNN. That really clears it up.
So he’s saying that the idea of a coin toss was dishonorable, not that the actual toss itself was dishonorable. He has a point.
soo… arm wrestling showdown?
Beer pong!
You think they should have arm wrestled for it?
No, I think that the poo-bahs in charge should’ve just made a decision. A coin toss is stupid.
Poo-bahs wouldn’t want to make the decision. Had committee. Committee voted.
So what’s a better solution? Didn’t see him suggest one.
Vote was 4-4. Game of chance to break tie. Seems reasonable to me.
Sour grapes.
Even then… this wouldn’t even be an issue if he had one the coin toss.
^Hello! Yes, Bob, we have a winner!
Nothing says “honor” like whining about a coin toss.
Heads I win, tails you lose.
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it has never even occurred to me to hit, or make unwanted sexual advances on, a woman. what the hell is wrong with these people?!?! it’s become such daily news, we’re getting immune to it.
My opinion: It’s a combination of an abnormal mindset coupled with power and time. You’re normal, so it would never occur to you to pull Weinstein garbage, as is true for most people. But actors and hollywood types are sometimes extreme personalities, which is pretty necessary to do the creative things they do; couple that with money and power, and that’s where the problem arises.
thanks for the thoughts. not buying the “creative/extreme” angle. maybe i can see the “money/power” angle.
I think that those with extreme personality traits are prone to extreme behavior.
Agree. Money and power; not creative types.
Lots of people accused that aren’t the creative types, but they all appear to fall within the money/power box.
More just the power, IMO.
Let the power do the seducing. It gets them that much more hotter when you don’t whip it out.
Except the comedians, who aren’t hitting women, but are sexually assaulting them.
Power/ego.
I don’t think this phenomenon is in any way more prevalent among Hollywood and government types than it is among “normal” folk. It just gets more media attention.
My guess it happens quite a bit in the Ivory Towers.
Or put another way, crazy people do crazy things.
When you’re decent to your core, being a complete and utter dickhead will not occur to you.
Even when your only 1/2 decent you will maybe contemplate being a utter dickhead, but will think it over and not be terrible.
One thing no one asks, is any of that learned behavior, did any of these guys see it from their dads?
There’s learned…and there’s not discouraged and or enabled.
True.
general theory says most learned it from dad. i’m sure the are plenty of exceptions…
mista moe
7:46 AM EST
Ms. Martin’s photo is killing me….brown skin, them eyes, damn
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Moe’s in lust, we may never see him here
I showed that to him the day she started.
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/875829063180484611/SdAdxOMM_400x400.jpg
But what she really looks like is…
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPA58NEWsAEzsl-.jpg
new Bullock
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/football-insider/wp/2018/02/08/redskins-should-consider-targeting-these-two-big-name-free-agent-running-backs/?utm_term=.c2cde115e223
Don’t forget to count in that Breeland also comes from a small rural town in SC like Norman and DJ
there may be some pull there to keep him here with his “homies”
grew up in a town of 3,500 people in county of 11,000 people
I went to one of the smaller NoVa high schools and we had 1,300 students
1,3000 all together or in your graduating class.
My pops went to a small school in Queens NY, had over 2,000 people in his grade alone.
1,300 total, 435 in my grad class
the Redskins have really been trying to build since Jay became HC
I think we changed this past year and tried more of a win-now strategy becuase Kirk was going to be gone after this year
I think the FO realized that some time during/after 2016 season, hence the change
the Smith deal allows the team to go back to more of the building strategy by providing stability at QB
I think they will try to address WR, OL in FA
draft will be about Defense, OL and maybe future QB
It’s kinda complex. If last year was “win now” we wouldn’t have dumped 2 star WR’s that were the heart of the offense for 2 years before.
they thought they got a “steal” in Pryor and Doctson would have huge break out year
i was very disappointed in pryor. but, that was my bad. you look at his stats for last year and this year – his completion rate was about the same. they just had no one else to throw to in cleveland.
“Win now” is just about as vague a term as “#1 WR”.
“shut-down corner”
Neither term is vague. You’re just over-lawyering the lexicon
well, remember they thought they were addressing defense against the run in FA last year, and well, there wasn’t room for Garcon or Jackson under the cap in that case. they had 18-19 mil cap hit between them last year
And yet defense still ended up in the bottom vs the run.
I don;t see last year as being win now at all, we let go of two WR’s if they wanted to win now they keep both of them
to me win-now is
team has 1 to 2 season to go all in for a Super Bowl run before age/cap forces major roster overhaul
so you sign high-end (age or $$) veterans to fill roster holes on short time frame deals
every team of course wants to win, now otherwise why play the game
but win-now if different than win, now
Win, how? – Daniel Snyder
Poll is up on our twitter page – pls vote for us.
Steve Thomas Team Captain alex35332 • 20 minutes ago
Somebody really needs to define for me what “win-now” mode is vs “not win-now” mode.
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Win now- 1. You think your Superbowl window is open. 2. You seek to fill holes with big name vets on short deals.
Not win now- 1. You think you are a few years, 2 or 3, away from being a Superbowl contender. 2. You seek to build via drafting and developing young talent to improve your roster.
Every teams a balance of the two, not an A/B thing, more like a pie chart.
not win now: you’re a HC and/or GM in the first 2 years of your contract.
I mean, I argue that everyone is in the rebuilding/reloading struggle now, but if people want there to be a win-now mode that is exclusive to just a handful of teams that maybe are in the top 4 of each conference and gives those teams an excuse to make myopic deals to put them over the top? …for the most part… THOSE types of teams don’t make those deals. maybe for a QB should their franchise guy retire or suffer major injury.
Exactly what I think too. Good teams are never in win now mode, are always building for down the road.
they’re in win always mode?
until they fire everyone
and then they have 1-2 years of not win mode?
Yeah all team retool or add ever year nobody is ever in we don’t want to win mode or you wont be there for long.,
I guess my point is that the terminology could be construed as some teams surrendering before the season even starts – as in, “now we’re really trying to win, whereas we weren’t last year”. It’s a word choice thing.
What’s the deets with Bree
Rap is hard?
Vague language about not burning any long term bridges for short term hunger. Take it as you will.
Would be great if we ccould sign up Bree on a reasonable deal long term deal and sign Zach Brown.
Would be a good start
HTTRsince65 3 minutes ago
like the last 20 years or so?
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In the 26 years since the Redskins last built a SuperBowl winning team…
ancient Egyptians could have built the Great Pyramid.
Not without us – Aliens, Hebrews
how long would it take Vegas?
Answer: 20 months
Luxor was built between March 1992 and October 1993, they’ve since added twin ziggurat towers to the pyramid, so it has well over 4000 guest rooms
92 seconds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3GILMu3rwQ&
Somebody please make Jessica Tarlov quit talking. Her vocal fry is horrible!
Or, you could hit mute. That’s temporary though.
The permanent fix is to, turn off cable news. Forever.
not have cable at all has it’s benefits
I like to watch what my clients are watching. Helps to be relatable if you will.
Why would you want to relate to paranoid conspiracy theorist types?
My “Teams” player (not a kicker): Secdrick Cooper, FS, LA Tech
Mine would be Shaq Griffin, the one-armed bandit.
Need a hard plastic butt-cap for that nub, fuck peeps up.
^Don’t we do phrasing any more?
You have a potty-mind.
Mine is Kicquit Reelfawr.
He’s good, better than that bum Scott, from Bama.
Defeinitely dislike Freekyn Shankette
You don’t have any players, that’s ok….
From WaPo article
Washington
There’s still plenty of time for roster tinkering via free agency and the draft, but Washington altered the market with its stunning trade for Kansas City quarterback Alex Smith during Super Bowl week. The acquisition, which technically isn’t official until the start of the new league year in March, signaled the Redskins are in win-now mode with a veteran quarterback with postseason experience.
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I don’t agree with the win now mode statement
win now says we load up a roster with players on short term deals
if anything last year was a win now try
to me the Smith trade is an attempt to stabilize the QB position with a proven QB
Yeah not sure who wrote that but it’s lazy spin.
New girl Kim Martin
Somebody really needs to define for me what “win-now” mode is vs “not win-now” mode.
Not win-now = rebuilding
like the last 20 years or so?
Well, there’s a difference between *consciously* rebuilding and constantly trying to patch a team together than can win some games this year … although they may have the same result over the short term.
Not win now is a state of building toward win now where a club feels it has assembled enough pieces to, win now.
Depends what you mean by “win now,” I guess. Clearly the move was designed to win games over the next 2-3 yrs., as opposed to longer term.
almost every NFL team does not look beyond 3 years
True.
The move was so we would not take a step backward while still trying to build.
i agree that it’s not “win now”. i think it is stack the roster for our next qb to step into. dreaming, i know.
No #1 WR
No #1 RB
WIN NOW!
Well what do you expect from the Wapo.
Things on twitter are heating up regarding Breeland. Redskins may have made an offer to him.
noonefromtampa • 18 minutes ago
FYI Ziggy Hood played 49% of all DEF snap last season second behind Ioannidis who played 53.5%
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Hoods snaps also went up after Allen and Ioannidis got hurt, because Hood really is a DE/DT, not an NT. McGee was the NT and played about 30% of snaps each week.
Before Allen got hurt Manusky was rotating the whole front when we switched from 3-4 to 4-3. In the 3-4 he was using LDE McGee, NT Hood, RDE McClean. In the 4 man front it was: LDE Kerrigan, LDT Ioannidis, RDT Allen, RDE Smith.
Drew Brown
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He looks like Compton……
his brother was long time NFLer
So Compton is Jody’s kid?
Looks like this guy.
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noonefromtampa • 15 minutes ago
FYI Ziggy Hood played 49% of all DEF snap last season second behind Ioannidis who played 53.5%
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Hood ranked No. 122 out of 122 DTs rated by PFF. I believe he was in the bottom three last year as well.
Terrell McClain was No. 120….
Draft DL
They probably will, just maybe not at 13.
Hood “consistent ball player”
Tbf, no one, not even Noone, was defending ZHood.
In case people are wondering, we started with special teams (1) to give Adam more time to study the more relevant positions, and (2) to get this out of the way early and build up to the good stuff.
Methinks the peeps be tugging your leg, arg
FYI Wednesday September 19, 2018 is International Talk Like a Pirate Day
September 8th, we play for blood.
The fuck?! Can we get some long snapper scouting reports up in here?!
Yeah, who gives a fuck about kickers, I wanna see edge guys, gunners, and maybe top return guys if we’re feeling lazy. 🙂
Lol
I would like to pick up Scott from Bama.
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So this post wasn’t requested by Kelly………………………..
I’m fapping like a fucking madman right now!!!! – flounder
Punters? you start with Punters!
Ugh 😑
Get rid of the chaff quick I guess
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y_x8UbU2h8
The show at the Rose Bowl was pretty bad ass. Great tour this year
people who traverse venician canals cannot be dismissed.