2018 Draft Analysis, Part 1: Special Teams

February 8, 2018

by Adam Taraschke

[EDITOR’S NOTE: This is the first installment of our 2018 draft preview series, which will be written by Adam.  We will publish a new installment featuring a different position group each week leading up to the draft, which begins on April 26.  Since there’s a long way to go, we decided to start with an easy one and feature special teams this week.]

Draft season is upon us.  With the combine in less than a few weeks I thought it would be a good time to start putting together some player rankings and draft profiles.  Since it’s early I thought I’d take a look at the special teams players I think have a shot at the next level.  Let me be clear: there will be more specialists joining the NFL this year than I have listed.  The names listed are the players for whom I have draftable grades in this April’s draft.  I also must clear up that I am of the mindset that no specialist should ever be drafted before the 7th round.  They are valuable assets, but the juice is never worth the squeeze when you draft a specialist too high.  With that being said here are my rankings for this year’s draftable punters and kickers.

Punters:

  1. Michael Dickson, Texas.

The reigning Ray Guy award winner for best punter in college football is Dickson. With his 6’3 frame comes great power and to compliment the power he has pinpoint accuracy. Averaging over 48 yards a punt Dickson has the size and natural ability to succeed in the NFL.

  1. JK Scott, Alabama.

Scott is another Ray Guy finalist. At 6’5 he can absolutely mash the football. He has a tendency to down the ball inside his opponents 20 yard line. With pro power and accuracy, it’s not out of the question to see Scott get drafted in April.

  1. Johnny Townsend, Florida.

Averaging just over 47 yards a punt, Townsend showed that his shorter stature does not limit his power in any way. He has great mechanics and kicks a consistently clean looking ball. He has NFL accuracy and lift on his kicks.

Kickers:

  1. Eddie Pineiro, Florida.

Florida had a ton of talent on their special teams this year. Pineiro is the clear cut #1 kicker in the country. He missed only 1 FG this season, going 17-18 on the year. Making multiple kicks past 50 yards in his tenure with the Gators Pineiro showed excellent power to go along with his elite accuracy.

  1. Emmit Carpenter, Minnesota.

Carpenter had a stellar 2016 campaign going a perfect 10-10 from beyond 40 yards. He slipped a bit in 2017, but the potential he showed in 2016 will be what carries him into the NFL. He has a massive leg with solid accuracy and repeatable mechanics. A strong build helps him create torque and consistently gets great lift on the football.

  • mike5790

    I actually don’t think the issue is over-paying at the QB position. Primarily the problem is, when you win you generally have to over-pay a lot of the key players on your roster. The 1-2% of the cap that goes toward over-paying the QB isn’t going to change that. The DL, WRs and other players who want to go from 4-7 mil to 10-12 mil matter much more because usually 1) they don’t have the impact on the game a QB does and 2) there are more of them (which additionally complicates matters… is the DE or the DT that’s the lynchpin?) So, in that sense, I disagree with Zack Moore’s premise. I agree in that you don’t want to overpay a poor QB, or egregiously overpay a QB (like paying Cousins 35 million) but the difference between 24 and 27 or 28 isn’t breaking a team. It’s the 3-4 guys who want 4-5 million pay increases, and the half dozen who want 2-4 mil more who do. A QB on a rookie deal is something else. But if you believe you can draft a QB who is elite in your system every 4-5 years, while consistently reloading your Def front 7 and OL, go for it.

  • Steve Thomas
  • Zig-Zag_BC

    So we have only two primary hot well water pumps to support casting. Pump two has been pulling high amps and for all intents and purposes, is down. This has been a reality for the past 3 days, yet….here we are. Pump #1 is struggling today, which means we’re struggling. Very Redskins like.

    • mike5790

      Culligan man!

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        I don’t think you grasp what I’m talking about, but that’s ok.

  • Different_Cat

    Seems like all vets aren’t down with this parade idea. From the former Navy SEAL who killed bin Laden:

    https://twitter.com/mchooyah/status/961644132119859200

    • kon, for now
      • Different_Cat

        But Mr. Bone Spurs wants a parade!

    • walter_in_fallschurch

      trump is planning a parade to glorify trump.

    • Steve Thomas

      A parade is a good thing as it honors military service. What wouldn’t be good is moving significant real-world assets into DC to do a parade. A few fly-bys, a few units march, a few trucks, maybe? Fine. That’s what he’s talking about.

      • mike5790

        just seems a bit phoney, un-necessary, and not really our (American) style

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        No mobile ICBM platforms!? Well shit……

  • walter_in_fallschurch

    gosh… how much are the top qbs getting paid this offseason? oh, that’s right: we’ve got our qb, so i don’t care. it’s liberating.

    • SCamp

      The soap opera is over…

      …at least for a while

  • the_amazing_spiderman

    Sorry to repost… but here it is. Last 7 SB Qbs and their salary rank. Couldn’t find data before 2011 season.

    Year – SB Winning QB – Cap Rank (Highest paid QB that year)

    2009 – Ben Rothlisberger ( ***)
    2010 – Drew Brees (***)
    2011 – Aaron Rodgers (***)
    2012 – Eli Manning – 4th (M. Sanchez)
    2013 – Joe Flacco – 16th (P. Manning)
    2014 – Russell Wilson – 51st (E. Manning)
    2015 – Tom Brady – 11th (E. Manning)
    2016 – Peyton Manning – 6th (D. Brees)
    2017 – Tom Brady – 18th (E. Manning)
    2018 – Nick Foles – 47th (J. Flacco)

    (***) Can’t find the data…. I am only human dammit!

    • Different_Cat

      Repost from last night:

      The first Cap Hit column ranks the player’s cap hit on his own team.

      https://twitter.com/ZackMooreNFL/status/961711229231394816

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      With mutant Spidey powers, not buyin’ it.

      • kon, for now

        Does everything a spider can….

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Excellent with geometry…

          • kon, for now

            The advantages of eight frign eyeballs.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Phidippus regius is my personal favorite.

          • kon, for now

            As deadly, to their prey, as they are cute

            http://i.imgur.com/JFUjw2e.gifv

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            I love them, great pets. I’ve raised quite a few. Fearless.
            You can grow them pretty big, too.

          • kon, for now

            Fearless as fuck. Cracks me right the hell up how, when you approach one and they stop in their tracks, measure you…and put their dukes up.

            Ready to throw down!

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Yup. A regal can kill a wolf Spider 5X it’s size. Frogs, a mantis (if he hits them right), wasps, whatever. They attack prey/predators specifically by the skill set of that they present. Strategy from a spider.

    • the_amazing_spiderman

      Sorry, my data might look a bit off. The years represent the date the Super Bowl was played, not the NFL season. So 2018 is 2017 season, etc…

  • kon, for now

    There was only one player in the SB that is the top paid at his position.

    Gostkowski….the pat’s kicker.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      3 doinks, or 2?

      • alex35332

        Think it was 2.

        But I was drinking, so.

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Lol, but they were compounded because, well….. Superbowl.

  • Different_Cat

    PFF released their 101 best players of 2017. The only Redskin on the list was … DOH! … Kendall Fuller at No. 74.

    https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-top-101-players-from-the-2017-nfl-season?utm_content=buffer29fe7&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=college

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Well, he’s TECHNICALLY still a Redskin…..

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    Is Kelly on the road?

    • Different_Cat

      The road less traveled, yes.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Painted desert

    • kon, for now

      I was wondering that. Thought he would have announced he and the family were hitting the road.

      But, there was some sort of confrontational exchange the other day. Didn’t see it myself. Wouldn’t be the first time Kelly went off to parts unknown for a while after getting into it with somebody.

      • SCamp

        He got into it with me on twitter… it was really innoccuous. I’m still not sure why he got so angry.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        I miss the road sometimes….then I look at my kids, all that fades away.

        • SCamp

          Looking forward to a 2 week road trip sometime this summer myself.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Yeah, someday I’ll try to see if I can take two whole weeks to cross the country, lol, it’ll be nice.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            To go slow……

  • btg

    Not tagging ARobinson by JVille would work out well for us
    I don’t want Landry
    He’d be too expensive

    • Josh RosenSquinns

      Landry is also a slot receiver; we have Crowder.

      • mike5790

        all the same, I’d find a place for him if you know… not 9-10 mil per. I mean, Pryor money spent on a productive WR would be like free money.

  • SCamp

    D_C said that Kirk’s salary was something like 13.1% of the cap. I’m assuming he got this from some source… but would like to verify…

    Kirk got, what, $24M last year? What was the cap? 168M?

    • mike5790

      167

      • SCamp

        I challenge all of you to come up with what that percentage of cap is then…

        • Coach JS

          [Inserts unfunny DC math joke, because, well, because of that one time.]

          • SCamp

            One time? You must have missed 2 nights ago…

          • Different_Cat

            True, but to be fair, I was actually RIGHT the first time. Espousing the controversial theory that we calculate time based on minutes AND seconds….

          • SCamp

            Make like “Frozen” and let it go…

          • Different_Cat

            Me?

          • SCamp

            Trying to explain yourself… just laugh and move on

        • walter_in_fallschurch

          well…. i get 14.4%. DC was underestimating.

          • SCamp

            Again, I’m assuming he got that from a source and not his own math…

        • Different_Cat

          Took that from an ESPN article:

          “If the Redskins place the franchise tag on Cousins again, he’d count $23.95 million. That would take up 13.1 percent of their adjusted salary cap. Six quarterbacks carried a higher percentage this past season.”

          http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/231360/percentage-of-cap-space-crucial-to-any-kirk-cousins-deal

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Adjusted salary cap…… devil’s in the details.

          • SCamp

            So they are including carryover. I knew something didn’t add up

      • mike5790

        it was just under 13% the year before, but that’s the year, had they offered 22 (little over 14%) per avg with defacto 3 year deal, probably would have gotten it done. but, they wanted to see more before they paid him that.

        • SCamp

          Regardless of what you come up with (to be clear the answer is not 13.1%) his point was valid… that’s a higher percent of cap for a QB then any Superbowl winning QB in the last umpteen years.

        • SCamp

          I will be interested what Alex Smith gets… but it shouldn’t be 14% of the cap.

  • Rick Deez

    My point is…sure, Garappolo got the “market rate” for quarterbacks, but that doesn’t guarantee it’s the right move. They have a LOT of cap space this year so most of his salary will be in the first year, but what then after that.

    I see the Redskins being in good cap shape. That also doesn’t guarantee they will be good. But we have money to re-sign some our own and get an impact player or two.

  • alex35332

    Well, I’m gonna go try and debate with the head of the AFL players union on twitter about their negotiations.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Give ‘um hell.

      • alex35332

        Why would I give him hell? I agree with what they want.
        Basically want the teams to cover health care for players, which the teams don’t want to do, and want to increase the salaries to a living wage.

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          ” ‘um” is open to interpretation, fwiw. If you agree, how is it a debate?

          • alex35332

            It’s more a dialogue, I’m gonna keep pushing Steve to get this guy on IJB (why not). I made a joke about never getting into fights with football players, he replied don’t forget about women athletes.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Sounds good.

  • Rick Deez

    Show me where the highest paid QB in the NFL has won a Super Bowl in the last 10 years.

    • alex35332

      This would require a lot of research to actually do.

      • mike5790

        I would guess… J Flacco, E Manning, R Wilson, and A Rodgers were highest paid for a moment… AFTER winning the Superbowl. that’s where the leverage usually is.

        *R W got a big deal, but not sure he was highest paid?

        • alex35332

          Was looking at Manning.
          His contracts were crazy team friendly for the most part: http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/eli-manning-4348/cash-earnings/

          He would have 1 big payday when he’ed resign, 1 big hit, then it looks like he’ed be very team friendly for 3-4 seasons.

          • Coach JS

            Plus, Brady ruins this statistic with his hometown deal and mega-star model wife.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            He can be omitted, we won’t complain.

      • the_amazing_spiderman

        Last 10 SB Winning QBs

        2008, 2012 – Eli Manning
        2009 – Ben Rothlisberger
        2010 – Drew Brees
        2011 – Aaron Rodgers
        2013 – Joe Flacco
        2014 – Russell Wilson
        2015, 2017 – Tom Brady
        2016 – Peyton Manning
        2018 – Nick Foles

        • alex35332

          Right but you now need to look up each’s salary that season + the salary of all 32 starting QB.s

          • the_amazing_spiderman

            Working on it…

  • Different_Cat
    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Maybe they’re like the Dead, where the music never stops….

      • alex35332

        Radiohead is no jam band. Amazing live shows, some of the best I’ve ever been too, they go all in when they are playing.

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Even when they break a string.

    • mike5790

      sounds about right

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      We’re all wasted!

    • Coach JS

      I liked Radiohead from Pablo to Amnesiac.

      I went with friends to see them tour for Hail to the Thief. They were pretty tight, as long as they had 30 sequenced tracks backing them like Karaoke night.

      When they played “The Bends” and some other early stuff raw (just as a trio, no backing tracks) they were TERRIBLE. Couldn’t even keep time well. I lost major respect for them. Maybe it was just a bad night.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Or….they can’t jam.

      • mike5790

        I was into Radiohead for about 2 months, and yeah, it was for a girl.

    • walter_in_fallschurch

      it’s kinda the inverse/obverse of clapping before the song’s over.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        They were just trying to be technical and spontaneous at the same time….the next step from just being technical. You know, like Jerry, or Hetfield.

        • walter_in_fallschurch

          speaking of technical, i went to see robert fripp (and the league of gentlemen) at “the bayou” years ago. such an awesome guitar player, but also such a dick. he would not start the next song until everyone in the audience was quiet. he admonished us several times….world class guitar player and world-class dick.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            I would have had fun with that, lol

          • walter_in_fallschurch

            i saw king crimson at the bayou, too. omg, what a great show that was. it was the fripp/belew/levin/bruford line-up. wow… just wow.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Sure, but if they pull a Billy Joe Armstrong on the audience, I’ma act accordingly.

    • Coach JS

      However, this has to be fake news. Major rock bands don’t tune their own strings like dudes at the coffee shop.

      A tech hands them a new one and they keep playing.

      And with electronic tuners it takes about 2 seconds to tune, not 3 minutes.

    • SCamp

      It’s Radiohead… it all sounds like crap.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        la la la la ding ding ding laaaaaaa, ding ding la la la la……then suicide

        • SCamp

          Gunshot to the face

        • kon, for now

          rawr-rawr-rawr-rawr-rawr die-die-die, bash-bash-bash blood blood blood death-death-die

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            what’s the problem?

          • SCamp

            Now THAT sounds like some good music. Who knew Radiohead got down like that

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            And if you think kill ’em all isn’t complex, well…………

      • kon, for now

        Good transcendental melodies

        Put on your headphones and leave your body behind

        • SCamp

          Not a fan… but to each his own

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          If you’re going to San Francisco, you’ll be sure to eat some gentle people there?

  • Coach JS

    Has anyone seen how the Jimmy G. contract compares to A. Smith’s?

    I mean, 5 years $138 vs. 4 years $91… sure, sure. But how do the real numbers compare?

    • Lbsand

      Won’t know until the details of Smith’s extension are released.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Best answer yet.

    • alex35332

      Well we don’t know the exact numbers of Smiths.
      But my understanding is that Jimmy’s is front loaded big hit this season, and Smith’s if anything is back loaded, and only getting 17-20 this year.

      • mike5790

        I haven’t seen anything confirming Garoppolo’s structure, it wasn’t on Spotrac this morning.

        Alex Smith’s first year is known, his cap is $17 mil + whatever the signing bonus breakout will be for 2018. If he got a $20 mil signing bonus, I think then his cap hit would be $22 million, even-though he gets his bonus now, it only gets spread over 4 years (I think) because that is how long the extension would be. So, here again, that 5th year is totally fake with no dead money on it, though I suspect there are some roster g’s and (injury g’s– we know there are injury g’s) that make up the g’d money. We don’t know yet.

        • alex35332

          Yes that’s what I kinda expect, 17 M. + bonus, but no one’s 100% sure if its over 4 years or 5, and they could spread it out so it’s heavy next year or year 3. But odds are this year will be 20-22, something like that, you are right there.

          I thought I saw someone say that Garoppolo’s deal was front loaded because of how much room SF had this season, so it just makes sense to do that.

          • mike5790

            if you were ready what I wrote, that was me speculating on what Garoppolo’s deal would be both for 2018 cap reasons, and for limiting dead cap in years 3-5 of the deal. modest signing bonus, nice g’d money year 1 and 2, then…????

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Short answer….. blah blah blah.

    • alex35332

      You could go back and listen to our recent show where we talked to former NFL agent and contract expert J. Corry, where he points out that Smith’s is 91, but probably most of the gtd money is “injury” stuff. He speculated that it’s probably in the 40’s what the skins guaranteed for smith. http://www.thehogsty.com/2018/02/07/talking-qbs-with-joel-corry/

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Oh, I thought his take was irrelevant?

        • alex35332

          I missed that.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Yeah, when the show first came up. Nobody liked what he said, well, some of us did.

          • alex35332

            Funny, it got a great reaction on twitters.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            His take kinda blew some big theories on the blog, straight out the mofugging water.

      • mike5790

        it was reported that the $71 million figure is the injury g’d amount

        the 40’s number sounds about right as that would then be maybe bonus plus 2nd year salary

    • No Punt Intended

      Flounder knows all the deets.

  • mike5790

    The Jets prob could trade for Foles, they’d prob have to give up their #6 pick and maybe do a 2nd round swap or something. Heck, if you are the Eagles, swapping 1st and second round picks with the Jets and maybe adding a contingent 2019 pick would be a nice gain. they are not going to be able to keep everyone over the next couple of years so they’ll “need” the picks.

  • Different_Cat

    While it’s true that Jimmy G has only played 7 games, there are reasons to think he’s worth the contract he got:

    * He’s 7-0 in his 7 games;

    * He’s already show that he can elevate a pretty bad team. SF was 1-11 before JimmyG took the helm, with their only win coming against the lowly Giants. JimmyG took over and went 5-0, including wins against the Titans, Jags, and Rams.

    * He learned from the best in TB12 and BB, and by all accounts he has all the intangibles.

    • No Punt Intended

      Ikr?

      – Cassell

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Peeps making moves that the Redskins FO never even qualify to have an opportunity to pull off……. fingernails on a chalkboard up in here.

    • mike5790

      If it wasn’t a team with 110 mil in cap space and they had not the psychological burden of spending a 2nd round pick for him, he doesn’t get that deal

      It looks to be about 0.5% (cap wise) higher than Derek Carr. And HE had 3 YEARS of tape, and led them to the playoffs.

      But let’s remember, his deal could be like a 2 year deal, with 3 years of roster g’s at the back end. Look for a modest signing bonus + solid 1st year completely g’d salary because they can take a big hit and not sweat it in 2018.

    • the_amazing_spiderman

      I think he got the contract because SF would look like a stupid douche for trading away a 2nd round pick in order to win 5 useless games.

    • Lbsand

      He’s a great fit in the offense and the Niners believe in him. What a concept.

  • mike5790

    Torrey Smith is prob going to be a free agent. Doubt they pick up his club option, given (as Flounder point out) that they’re over the cap (-4.7 mil based on rule of 51, -10.6 based on all contracts)

    http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/philadelphia-eagles/cap/

    And if you didn’t know better, just looking at the number, you’d see a quick cut (based solely on contract)… some guy named Brandon Graham

    • alex35332

      Smith has always been one that I thought would be a good Vet presence, and can still kinda do the deep ball separation work that we need. Probably wouldn’t be a 1,000 yard WR but I bet he could produce for us better than Pryor last year.

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    You trade him ASAP, possible involves Wentz’s ETA, but the guy is a Superbowl MVP, Wentz and Foles on the same roster won’t end well.

  • mike5790

    Nick Foles has a cap hit of less than 8 million, and I don’t know what that auto void is about, if that ONLY applies to the Eagles roster, then it is an amazing contract to trade anytime before 23 days before the 2019 League year starts. If it applies to all rosters, then his contract is a one year deal, for 2018 only

  • mike5790

    If you are the Eagles, how long do you wait to trade Foles?

    • Flounder

      Better not wait to long, you can’t afford to keep him as your already over the cap.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      ASAP, unless Wentz’s medical is iffy.

    • Back to the good ol daysBruce

      Isn’t Wentz projected to start on PUP? Maybe they don’t trade him

      • Flounder

        His value will never be higher then it is now.

      • the_amazing_spiderman

        I would suspect the trade happens once Wentz comes back off injury and plays a couple games. Week 5

        • Flounder

          Everyone will be set at QB by then his value will have decreased.

          • alex35332

            Someone will get hurt.
            Someone always gets hurt.

          • the_amazing_spiderman

            Can’t argue with that. It’s up to Philly to determine what is more valuable. I am just banking on QB security being the only thing that keeps Foles off the market.

      • Back to the good ol daysBruce

        Agree. That’s a good team. Tough decision. But QB?

      • Back to the good ol daysBruce

        If Eagles are offered a 1st you don’t blink. Anything less i would hold off until Wentz prognosis is clear. Not worth losing games with Sudfield under center

    • Different_Cat

      Let’s put it this way: the Eagles cap hit for the QB position, including Foles, is about $12 million.

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    Maybe the fallout from THIS Superbowl loss will be more significant than that of previous years.

  • noonefromtampa

    It’s been a rough morning for Boston Herald columnist Ron Borges.

    Borges believed he had a major scoop in today’s paper: A column citing unnamed “sources” close to Tom Brady saying that Brady was ready to hold out of offseason work if the Patriots didn’t give him a significant pay raise, comparable to the contract the 49ers just gave Brady’s former backup Jimmy Garoppolo. But then WEEI revealed that one of its listeners had hoaxed Borges with a text purporting to be from Brady’s agent, and that the whole premise of Borges’ column was bogus.

    • noonefromtampa

      The power of social media

      spread like wildfire before anyone could figure out it was bogus

      • noonefromtampa

        and reporters “hurrying” to be first without following journalistic practices

    • Back to the good ol daysBruce

      Wtf happened to double confirmation by 2 independent sources? Oh right that’s old journalism/rules. 1st 1st 1st

      • mike5790

        Agree…

        BOTOH

        If he gets beat to the story by some Joe Bob, then he doesn’t get credit, shouldn’t cited, and in his story SHOULD BE, “as first reported by Joe Bob”

        they haven’t figure this social media stuff out yet, but the fact is, we’re all media now. and that is something that people haven’t figured out how to deal with yet. by what metric does the White House or some football club keep any of us out of a press conference? everyone knows that the metrics used to judge how much influence or impact a media entity or person has are completely bogus. “How many people listen to you?” “Well, our signal reaches 14 million people.” OR “we get 1 million page hits a day, *whispers* of which 95% are bots” “what was that last part?” “I have a cold.”

    • kon, for now

      That’s just embarrassing.

      All he can do is wear that egg on his face in style.

    • Back to the good ol daysBruce

      I can do better
      – Mike Wise

    • Flounder

      More BS and proof reportes are pathetic nowadays.

  • walter_in_fallschurch

    i DO enjoy the knowing who our qb is going to be next year and even 2-3 years from now. makes all that qb/salary/trades/blah blah blah fade into the background.

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    fro day…

  • btg

    Paul Richardson has played in 19 of a possible 64 games
    WOW

  • the_amazing_spiderman

    Tom Brady will skip OTAs unless he gets paid like Jimmy G

    – NBC Sports

    • btg

      The original author of the piece, Ron Borges, was punked by someone claiming to be Don Yee, Brady’s agent.
      Story has been taken down by the Herald
      There is no truth to this

      • the_amazing_spiderman

        Ah thanks! Didn’t know.

        I edited my post to correct the error.

        • btg

          Somehow his phone number got into the wrong hands
          He got the call and ran with it as legit

          • No Punt Intended

            Ikr?

            – Jenny

    • HTTRQGC

      Didn’t get that 4 mil SB win bonus. NE will be in the QB market too…regardless

    • mike5790

      the problem with the Garopollo deal is kind of like that rube couple buys into a neighborhood too high of a price. people think it sets the market, and they get a rude awakening when they find out nobody else values homes at that rate, and the rube couple only did it because they came into some free money (lottery/inheritance, etc) and they weren’t that slick on the deal.

      San Fran liked what they saw, did NOT want Garoppolo to take the Kirk Cousins route, and they have $111 million in cap room ($117 to 51). That does not mean that Aaron Rodgers and Matt Ryan get 20% of the salary cap for their extensions. I actually think it makes negotiations more difficult for everyone else not named Cleveland or the Jets (who are also loaded with cap space)

      • kon, for now

        Whoa whoa. I’ve already used the goofy buyer overpriced house analogy.

        Get your own!

        • mike5790

          my fault

          • kon, for now

            It’s spot on though

            Buyers gotta stop being swayed by comps and not allow sellers to get crazy with the market

            Likewise, owners and FOs have got to reel these out of control QB contracts in or otherwise, more and more franchises will QB broke.

          • Back to the good ol daysBruce

            I’ve yet to watch any Jimmy G play outside of NE. Will have to take a look today…

  • walter_in_fallschurch

    frost!

    no, really, frost. there was frost on my car this morning.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Haha!

    • mike5790

      Frost was with my girlfriend!

      -Lawrence Phillips

    • mike5790

      There’s a 7 year frost warning for the entire State of Nebraska, it was issued last November.

    • kon, for now

      Probably bothers you that it melts away as the car warms up

      • walter_in_fallschurch

        eh…. not a big frost fan. not even a fan of cold, except as a prerequisite for snow.

    • kon, for now
      • No Punt Intended

        That’s porn to WIF.

        • walter_in_fallschurch

          it is pretty damned hot! (err… cold) get a load of those icicles! and the snow drifts: hubba, hubba….

        • kon, for now

          Yep

          He’s jack’n it

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Walt just nutted

  • No Punt Intended

    Another morning of seeing and hearing what is going to be a mad scramble for QB’s in free agency as well as the draft and another morning now of liking the deal to bring us Alex Smith even more.

    • HTTRQGC

      QB Cupboard is full. Only QB hungry club that will have given up 2 players for one when dust settles… But you know the saying. ‘You like that ” !

      • mike5790

        San Fran gave up a 2nd round pick and then paid the guy elite franchise money after 7 games

        SEVEN! SEVEN miles per HOUR!

        • No Punt Intended

          SEVEN! SEVEN! What the fuck you know about SEVEN!

          – Grits-n-Gravy

        • HTTRQGC

          Well they have excess draft picks and excess cash….

  • kon, for now
    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Digging deep down in that pocketbook, got little slivers of weed and tobacco under your fingernails, just touched that nasty half melted lifesaver, again. The crinkling of old receipts, that clump of napkins you took from Starbucks….

  • HTTRQGC

    Morning folks. Lotta Jimmy G hoopla yesterday. With jack like he is getting …obviuosly they think he is a ‘carry the team ‘ QB and closer when the chips are down. Looks like he is capable even w a short win streak. Furthermore w these escalating QB contracts…QBs will be expected to ‘carry the team’ and close out W’s w 28 mil /yr plus salaries I would think. Or expect QB trades or even cuts down the road when they can’t. Certainly would be my take. Get paid = Get W’s. Get paid + L’s (Osweilers/Kirks of the world) = Later gator = Hello Bakers of the world.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Good morning

      • HTTRQGC

        Attaboy

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Lol

  • mike5790

    some people talking on the radio this morning
    and I think they’re right
    if the Skins had made that deal for Garopollo, they’d be getting murdered for it

    • mike5790

      it would basically be like ripping up Kirk’s rookie deal and giving him a 15% (maybe not 16% because J G’s rating has been better in San Fran) deal at the end of 2014 (9 starts, 5 under Gruden)

      • mike5790

        A deal like that in 2014?
        5 years, 99.8 million, $54mil g’d

        But would YOU have given Kirk a 5 year deal in March 2015?

        • HTTRQGC

          Even if they did…he would have 1 more year to play on that contract and it would all start over again after the ’18 season w contract extensions or renegotiations. Past catches the future here. So the Skins are a year early letting Kirk walk….Skins only flub was trading pick and player in panic mode when not necessary…

          • HTTRQGC

            Dude had 25 Ints and ended the Skins season 2nd week of October in ’14 and finally benched .Doubt anyone woulda high priced or even mid priced KC back then.

          • HTTRQGC

            Grant Paulsen and crew maybe…

          • mike5790

            if there was fault, it might have been that the Skins offered him a 1 year old deal in 2015. I dunno. because the reported 19 mil deal they offered in 2015 would have been a solid deal had it just been 1 year earlier (assuming his performance was 2015 esque in that year earlier)

          • HTTRQGC

            Too much however much offered…

  • mike5790

    I’m expecting the Garopollo deal to be partially front loaded and partially fake on the backload

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Where’s the fun in that?

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    Everyone is burning money, wtf…..

    • mike5790

      thermal oxidizers would seem to be overkill?

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        There is no overkill, we’re operating with infinite surplus, right?

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    Your score is: 18673 (GRADE: B)

    Your Picks:
    Round 1 Pick 13: Quenton Nelson, OG, Notre Dame (A)
    Round 2 Pick 26 (ATL): Harrison Phillips, DT, Stanford (B+)
    Round 2 Pick 31 (N.E.): Sony Michel, RB, Georgia (A)
    Round 4 Pick 13: Dalton Schultz, TE, Stanford (A+)
    Round 5 Pick 12: Michael Gallup, WR, Colorado State (A+)
    Round 6 Pick 14: B.J. Hill, DT, North Carolina State (A+)
    Round 7 Pick 23: Greg Stroman, CB, Virginia Tech (A+)
    Round 7 Pick 30 (SEA): Secdrick Cooper, FS, Louisiana Tech (C)
    Round 7 Pick 32 (SEA): Kyle Lauletta, QB, Richmond (B-)

  • kon, for now

    NBC’s being a jerk about the Olympics.

    • mike5790

      they burned money like there was no tomorrow running ads for it during the Superbowl instead of banking commercials they get paid for. they need to make the money.

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    Hehehe
    Your score is: 18312 (GRADE: B-)

    Your Picks:
    Round 2 Pick 1 (CLE): Harold Landry, OLB/DE, Boston College (A-)
    Round 2 Pick 3 (CLE): DaRon Payne, DT, Alabama (A)
    Round 2 Pick 12: Will Hernandez, OG, Texas-El Paso (B+)
    Round 4 Pick 13: Michael Gallup, WR, Colorado State (A+)
    Round 5 Pick 12: J.C. Jackson, CB, Maryland (A+)

  • kon, for now

    Damn. I missed mixed doubles curling

    Ahwell

  • kon, for now

    Shani Davis is a whiny brat.

  • kon, for now

    I need cake pans

    Cake pans and coffee

    Coffee first

  • kon, for now

    Garrapolo’s deal is stupid. It reeks of overpaying to keep him in town.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Which is good, right?

      • kon, for now

        Only in the sense of a conference opponent going broke for a QB and having little left for the rest of the roster.

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Which is good.
          That, compounded with Kirky poo going to another conference team for a similar amount…

        • mike5790

          they had money to burn

          and that’s why they could do it, I wouldn’t be surprised if it is front loaded

  • p1funk

    And so it begins. Garapolo got 90ish mill guaranteed on a 5 year contract, compared to 71 mill we guaranteed to Alex Smith on a 5 year contract (details pending). Garapolo has 7 starts to his name, so start imagining what Kirk Cousins is going to get. The savings that the Redskins are tucking away with this deal will be massive by comparison.

    Jaws were dropping at the announcement of the Smith numbers, and I said “wait and see” because once other deals get done, people won’t even be batting an eyelash at what we gave Smith.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Blah blah blah, get in line with Noone for a complimentary back-slap and attaboy.

  • Different_Cat

    For reference, KC consumed 13.1% of our cap last year.

    https://twitter.com/ZackMooreNFL/status/961711229231394816

    • SCamp

      Glad that’s over… what’s Alex Smith’s? What is the cap # next year?

      • SCamp

        Wait… 13.1? Was he paid $24 million? What was the cap $168 Million?

      • Flounder

        His cap number should be in the 15-17mil range.

        • mike5790

          his current 2018 is 17 mil, but that’s notwithstanding the signing bonus
          his deal included an extension, so he’ll play under his 2018 contract (last year), but he will receive his signing bonus this year. what that means (I think) is that year 5 is totally fake. No dead money year 5.

  • SCamp
  • Different_Cat
    • Zig-Zag_BC

      aquí, espera mi cerveza!

  • SCamp
  • SCamp

    I still can’t believe the majority of Republicans have agreed to such a huge increase in deficit spending… scumbag liars

    • MJ45

      One (Paul) is holding the whole thing up.

      • SCamp

        I know… good for him. But it’s just for show

    • Different_Cat

      What did you expect, after they rammed through tax cuts that will increase the debt by trillions of dollars?

      • SCamp

        That I agree with. Spend less of our money… I want to keep more of my money. I want government to spend less. You and I will never agree on that. I accept the fact that you believe all money somehow belongs to the government. You will just have to accept the fact that I believe all money belongs to those that earn it.

  • kon, for now

    Oh right. Winter Olympics

    Ehh

    • SCamp

      Booooo

  • kon, for now

    Started watching Amazon’s Britannia tonight

    Roman Legionaries and Druids with English accents and slang…kinda funny

  • kon, for now

    Good Valentine’s Day gag gift. For her of course.

    https://www.thesoapopera.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/LV-004-CB_1024x1024.png

  • kon, for now
    • kon, for now

      Some scaling required

  • kon, for now

    That Sarsour woman…could use with a good vibrator.

    • SCamp

      Why waste a perfectly good vibrator?

      • kon, for now

        They’re made in China. So, no great loss. Also, it would go a long way in preventing that harpy from polluting young minds and radicalizing them to her cause.

        Consider it neutralizing a potential threat before it actually becomes something damaging.

        • SCamp

          So you jam it down her throat?

          • kon, for now

            Just give it to her. Maybe link an instructional video.

          • SCamp

            I like my idea better

          • kon, for now

            I don’t have the sadist gene.

            But I do believe in comeuppance.

  • SCamp

    I’ve gotta say… I said Kirk was going to be unaffordable. Garrapolo’s contract pretty much guarantees that someone is going to overpay this guy. I’m glad it’s not us. Smith’s contract is starting to look pretty reasonable.

    • kon, for now

      7 damn starts and he got that contract.

      Cousins’ deal, with 57 starts, should be in the $200 million dollar range.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      As long as nobody fucks up and our off-season is reasonably good, guy should get a fair shake. This includes Jay.
      Maybe he plays alittle loose with Jay. I’d like to see him put his money where his mouth is as far as that whole “take more chances” thing.

  • smokey

    Where everyone at?..hopefully not taking Wall Street as a sign to jump off a cliff or building. It’s a correction, inevitable.

    • noonefromtampa

      We’re at the Bud Light Free Beer Party, where are you?

      • smokey

        I’m in the wrong place obviously.

      • SCamp

        Ahhh… pee water

    • HTTRsince65

      Smart people are buying during this correction

      • SCamp

        Indeed

  • noonefromtampa

    One update today from SB Star-Tribune, so the counts looks like

    Da’Ron Payne, DT, Alabama 7
    Calvin Ridley, WR, Alabama 5
    Roquan Smith, ILB, Georgia 5
    Derwin James, S, Florida State 4
    Vita Vea, DT, Washington 2
    Baker Mayfield, QB, Oklahoma 2
    James Washington, WR, Oklahoma State 1
    Josh Allen, QB, Wyoming 1
    Tremaine Edmunds, OLB, Virginia Tech 1

    • MJ45

      Who does Scot McGlue’s scouting service have us picking?

      • noonefromtampa

        Matt Jones

      • SCamp

        Glen Fiddich

        • noonefromtampa

          Glen livet
          Macallan
          Johnnie Walker
          Glenmorangie

          • SCamp

            No one from Scotland drinks that Johnnie Walker crap… not even the blue

            Want a real Scotch? look up Glen Scotia and try a couple different ones. If you are a scotch drinker… you’ll thank me.

          • SCamp

            Of those you listed, though, Macallan makes a superb spirit

          • noonefromtampa

            Glenmorangie Signet Single Malt

  • HTTRsince65

    Crickets…..

  • HTTRsince65

    Virginia senator Warner look out! didn’t want a paper trail when reaching out to a Russian oligarch. you can’t make this s*** up

  • HTTRsince65

    What the f*** am I missing? On Tucker Carlson just now there was some Democratic candidate that said that illegal immigrants deserve the right to vote! I thought you had to be a citizen.

    • noonefromtampa

      Illegals vote Democratic so of course DEMS think they should vote

      • HTTRsince65

        as much as people ridicule the president of the United States and his low approval rating which is around 40%, congress’s is about half that

    • kon, for now

      He said they deserve a voice. Voting, never came up. Also, he was speaking on non-citizens who work, pay taxes, contribute and otherwise have assimilated to the US.

  • Steve Thomas

    Wow, very slow day here.

    • noonefromtampa

      too many hamsters flushed down toilets

      • SCamp

        enjoy the ride…

  • Different_Cat

    Jason Kelce doing his best Jessie Ventura imitation.

    https://twitter.com/nflnetwork/status/961690122772254720

  • frediefritz

    Your score is: 21599 (GRADE: A-)

    Your Picks:

    Round 1 Pick 20 (DET): Roquan Smith, ILB/OLB, Georgia (A)

    Round 2 Pick 12: James Washington, WR, Oklahoma State (A)

    Round 2 Pick 16 (LAC): Derrick Nnadi, DT, Florida State (B)

    Round 2 Pick 19 (DET): Will Hernandez, OG, Texas-El Paso (A-)

    Round 4 Pick 13: Luke Falk, QB, Washington State (A+)

    Round 4 Pick 19 (LAC): Holton Hill, CB, Texas (A+)

    Round 5 Pick 12: Jaylen Samuels, RB/WR, North Carolina State (A+)

    Round 6 Pick 16 (BALT): Terrell Edmunds, SS, Virginia Tech (A+)

    Round 7 Pick 13: Richie James, WR, Middle Tennessee (A+)

    Round 7 Pick 20 (BALT): Adam Breneman, TE, Massachusetts (A+)

    Round 7 Pick 23: David Moa, DE, Boise State (A+)

  • Back to the good ol daysBruce

    Who’s gf or wife is from Phithy? This is insane
    https://twitter.com/barstoolbigcat/status/961628138299150336

    • smokey

      Dumb chicks. Shaking my god damn head.

    • SCamp

      This is really fucking stupid

    • kon, for now
    • HTTRsince65

      Those are somebody’s daughters! Shudder…..

      • SCamp

        The parents will deny it

    • Steve Thomas

      Gross

  • noonefromtampa

    Must be shift change time

  • noonefromtampa

    First Europeans were not white, but dark brown with blue eyes

    • HTTRsince65

      Ok?

      • noonefromtampa

        Cheddar Man news

  • noonefromtampa

    Spirit Airlines employee told student to flush emotional support hamster down the toilet, student alleges
    =====================================

    Don’t fly Spirit they kill peeps

  • AustinSkin
    • SCamp

      Gotta buy the dips man… stock market will rebound.

  • noonefromtampa

    Jimmy G got a Whole Lotta Lovin’

    • noonefromtampa

      $137.5M 5 years, $90M g’money

      Gimme Some Lovin’
      — Kirk Cousins

  • noonefromtampa

    White House just completed background on Rob Porter, said good he resigned because we would have fired him if he was around today

    • AustinSkin

      F-ing idiots.

  • btg

    Slow day today

    • AustinSkin

      yeppers

  • HTTRsince65

    Obviously, we don’t seem to have an answer.

    • Josh RosenSquinns

      Some of us don’t even have a question.

      • HTTRsince65

        they count on all of us not questioning, just follow like lemmings

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Tbf, they named themselves hamsters…

        • Flounder

          Who are we talking about you not forced to follow anyone.

  • HTTRsince65

    If we’re STILL not in “win-now” mode, when will we be?

    • Josh RosenSquinns

      Stay the course! 50 year rebuild!

      I’m sick of that fuggin nonsense.

      • HTTRsince65

        it’s beyond pathetic

    • alex35332

      Ideally never.

      • HTTRsince65

        the last few decades have been ok with you? smh

        • alex35332

          No. But a great team keeps building, never panics, reloads and drafts well each off season. So they never panic and think their window is only a year or two

          • HTTRsince65

            So, I get ya, a GREAT team, not ours… Too bad we can’t seem to get there. what’s our team philosophy? Direction? How and When are changes made to meet this philosophy? Idk if we have any of that. smdh

          • alex35332

            Yes. I wish we could. Some of the building blocks were there IMO a year ago.

          • HTTRsince65

            I don’t think the evidence shows we have that Alex.

          • Different_Cat

            You gotta get to the mountain top to stay on the mountain top.

        • Back to the good ol daysBruce

          Alex Smith…championship

        • the_amazing_spiderman

          I would rather us build a team that is contending every season than “win-now” and return to perennial losers.

          I would love to see us hoist the Lombardi trophy once again… but if it means shitty football for 20+ more years forget it.

          • HTTRsince65

            My question is more of what is our Team philosophy? How and When would changes be made to stay true to a stated philosophy? If we have one, it should be adjusted since we’ve been horrid for decades.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      They haven’t read that far yet.

    • noonefromtampa

      is that win-now or win, now?

      • HTTRsince65

        Just get this shitshow fixed and start winning. Be legit every year

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    It’s faster horses
    younger women
    older whiskey
    and more money

  • Lbsand

    Regarding JG: “Ian Rapoport was reporting earlier this week that a deal could get done in the coming days, and it turns out he was spot on.”

    Never thought I’d see that written anywhere, ever.

    • mike5790

      smash cut
      He isn’t signed at all, goes to the Jets in FA

  • btg

    49ers could still be in play for KC- Rapport

    • Lbsand

      Well, they COULD trade JG. But won’t.

      • btg

        74 million dollar cap hit??

  • Lbsand

    Good for Jimmy G., and he looks like a great fit for the Niners in ‘Lil Shanny’s offense.

    • Back to the good ol daysBruce

      time will tell fa sure. Either way they have their QB for the next several years.

      • Lbsand

        And they have a pick in every round coming up, plus an extra 3rd and 7th. Not needing to take a QB is large.

  • AustinSkin

    Another crazy volatile day in the markets. Dow Down as far as 600 points. Wall Street has erased all gains since November.

    Every pundit has a different theory, which cracks me up. Either way, some great deals can be had, if you have a longer-term investment horizon. Ford (F) for example, is trading at 3-year lows at $10.56 per share. Pretty sure Ford isn’t going away any time soon.

    • SCamp

      Good call out there

  • Flounder

    Back to the good ol daysBruce alex35332 • 7 minutes ago
    he’s going off on Bruce and skins FO in reference to Garrapolo deal and skins not figuring out Kirk situation. Something about never franchising your QB…idiotitc. How many games has JImmy G. played?
    ____________________________________________________________________________________________
    The difference is Jimmy actually wanted to sign with the 49ers and was willing to negotiate with them, Kirk never negotiated with the Redskins and never had any intention of signing here before becoming a FA.

    • Flounder

      Also Jimmy got about the same deal as Stafford, Kirk appeared to want more than that.

      • Flounder

        Although we wont know until we see his actual deal.

      • Back to the good ol daysBruce

        then why even tag him? What’s the point?

      • mike5790

        even noting the cap increase, the fact that Garopollo got about what Stafford did says that they really didn’t want him to go franchise tag; but it’s a Matt Cassel type gamble

    • Flounder

      If you think that the 49ers offered Jimmy exactly what he wanted on the first offer than your stupid. I would bet that they went back and forth several times before agreeing to a deal.

    • Josh RosenSquinns

      Despite the lip services, KC didn’t want to be here. He’s a phony.

      • AustinSkin

        KSFTSOBAL

        (Kirk Schmirk, F that SOB A-Hole Loser)

        • Josh RosenSquinns

          AL-?

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    Your score is: 18296 (GRADE: B-)

    Your Picks:
    Round 2 Pick 5 (NYJ): Vita Vea, DT, Washington (A)
    Round 2 Pick 12: Sony Michel, RB, Georgia (B+)
    Round 2 Pick 17 (NYJ): Harrison Phillips, DT, Stanford (B-)
    Round 4 Pick 13: Dalton Schultz, TE, Stanford (A+)
    Round 5 Pick 12: Michael Gallup, WR, Colorado State (A+)
    Round 6 Pick 14: Skyler Phillips, OG, Idaho State (A+)
    Round 7 Pick 13: Greg Stroman, CB, Virginia Tech (A+)
    Round 7 Pick 23: Secdrick Cooper, FS, Louisiana Tech (C)

    • btg

      Lack of ol concerns
      But very good overall

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Seriously? – Skyler

        • btg

          I’m holding out hope for one of the top names

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            You know it’s probably gonna be one, or the other. Top DT – Mid OG, or the opposite.

          • btg

            Agreed
            Depends on what has more depth between the two positions

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            That was giving up 13 to the Jets, anyway. They said no to Kirk, drafted Mayfield.

    • Josh RosenSquinns

      Gallup’s gotta be fast.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        He is, runs down the rabbits I sell to Alex.

        • Josh RosenSquinns

          I thought you sold sheep to Alex.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            We go back to colonial days, me and mine are gonna be just fine, beyond that, it doesn’t matter.

          • alex35332

            I have a sheep guy already. Well technically it’s a old lesbian couple

      • alex35332

        40 Low: 4.42 40 Time: 4.52 40 High: 4.62
        http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=1017595&draftyear=2018&genpos=WR

        Remember how bummed out most people were when we learned that the Quick boys just had average speed last pre-season.

        • alex35332

          But none of them had anything on old Mac Speedie who played for the Browns in the late 40’s and early 50’s. Who, in his rookie season averaged 23.5 ypc.

    • mike5790

      I just don’t know that Michel is an NFL back, and if he is, is he different enough than CT?

      • alex35332

        He’s bigger I think. Probably could be more durable.

    • Lbsand

      Nice ‘lil trade down there, bc.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Thanks Sand. You know we’ll gain a bunch more hunting range when all that shit breaks down, lol.

  • Back to the good ol daysBruce

    Chris Russell is a tool but I think most already knew that

    • alex35332

      Is this just a general reminder, or we got a reason today for it?

      • Back to the good ol daysBruce

        he’s going off on Bruce and skins FO in reference to Garrapolo deal and skins not figuring out Kirk situation. Something about never franchising your QB…idiotitc. How many games has JImmy G. played?

        • SCamp

          As a general rule I simply ignore that guy. Now will be no different

        • mike5790

          and furthermore, it was Garopollo that blinked. he could have forced them to franchise him, ostensibly

          but he didn’t because they probably “overpaid” for him. I mean, a GREAT deal for him should have been D Carr

          Skins aren’t the only team that loves them some certainty.

        • alex35332

          JG played in 7. And agree with SCamp, better to ignore the guy.

    • Josh RosenSquinns

      Water is wet.
      Rick is a liberal.
      Scamp is contentious.
      Beep is a curmudgeon.
      Walter is a ballerina.

      • SCamp

        Contentious? Fuck you… I am NOT!!!

      • Back to the good ol daysBruce

        lol @ Walter

  • SCamp

    alex35332 Team Captain Zig-Zag_BC • 43 minutes ago
    So would 99% of the people here.
    1st, the mortality rate was ridiculous, people died of everything from a simple cold to beaver attacks.
    2nd, almost no one here really possess a real skill that was valued at the time, basically if you weren’t a farmer you were some kind of smithy or skilled labor, most of which are extinct jobs. And all the lawyers an scholarly types here would have been killed by angry mobs (this wasn’t uncommon in those times)

    ______________________

    I can build a home from the ground up, farm, and kill and skin shit.

    FINALLY! SOMEWHERE I FIT IN!

    • btg

      Haha, it does sound good

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Alex assures me that we would all die.

      • SCamp

        We’re all gonna die

      • alex35332

        No, I just said you’re gonna die, from repeated beaver attacks.

        SCamp will probably be just fine.

        • SCamp

          I try to get attacked by beaver on the reg…

          It may, indeed, kill me one day. But I’ll die with a smile

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Sour little Hobbit, you are.

    • alex35332
      • alex35332

        And it’s not far apart from what they use as toilet paper in that time period.

      • SCamp

        One of my retirement goals is to build a cabin with my bare hands and no power tools. I already have the plot of land picked out in Tennessee

        • alex35332

          I mean, my grandparents cabin in Lake George was all built in the 50’s with out power tools, though I’m sure they had the wood pre-cut and didn’t make their own 2×4’s or glass windows.
          When we went to clear the land for my dads house I was out there at 10 years old with a 2 man saw helping clear the trees out.

          • SCamp

            One of my parents friends finished hand building an adobe house in Santa Fe about 5 years ago. Hand carved the wood beams and all sorts of shit. Took him more than a decade. It’s amazing… and the view is ridiculous

          • alex35332

            Was watching a documentary on a still used adobe home (think in AZ) that’s 600 years old, was something like 5 stories tall. Only two change the people who lived there made to it, adding doors on the ground floor homes & they ran some power to some of it. Impressive how well designed those structures were.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Would you like me to build you a sawmill?

          • alex35332

            A 1700’s sawmill?

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Yeah

          • SCamp

            Sure… better get started. Send it COD

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            I think you’ll just buy lumber from me.

          • mike5790

            dynamite is faster

          • alex35332

            But that would have damaged the tennis court, my great grandfather would have been real upset.

        • mike5790

          it’s going to have to be ADA accessible
          or you’re going to have to grease some palms
          “this dwelling requires and elevator…”
          *peels off thee crisp $$$*
          “wait, this isn’t commercial…”

          • SCamp

            They may have a hard time finding it…

          • mike5790

            the tax man ALWAYS finds it

          • SCamp

            …but he may not make it outta there… and bodies are sometimes hard to find.

          • alex35332

            I remember when the county administrator came along looked at all of our houses and was outraged that not a single one had a house number. Demanded we fix it right away.
            we grabbed some sticks from the woods, and nailed them to the side of the home to make a 40 before he left. Damn Government.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Dude……I play this.

    • mike5790

      I actually studied “farming” in college for awhile, and I’m heir to some irrigated land, and in theory, with some almost legal labor, prob could build a house. but it would be like totally German. I mean, waaaaay over spec for concrete foundation, screws, bolts, etc. Cat 6 Hurricane roof. lots of lexan

      • walter_in_fallschurch

        don’t forget “compression waves”…..

        • mike5790

          thanks for the reminder, have to put dampeners in the foundation

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        South Platte?

        • mike5790

          closer to the Republican

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Ah, you’re one of those crazy southwestern boys…

  • MJ45
    • Josh RosenSquinns

      The 49ers agreed to terms on a five-year contract with Jimmy Garoppolo worth $137.5 million, NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo reported, per a source informed of the decision. The deal is the largest in NFL history on an average-per-year basis.
      _____________________

      So, Kurt, a 5/$75mm deal is good, right?

      -Bruce

      • the_amazing_spiderman

        Includes free tokens at Harvest Fest

      • MJ45

        Someone is going to give Cousins $30m a year once the available QBs start to dry up.

        • mike5790

          **** that!!!!

          -Green Bay

        • SCamp

          Not so sure about that

          • mike5790

            yeah, I’d put kirk maybe at half a mil more per year, but let’s remember this is the NFL
            that contract is as fake as my mock drafts the last couple of years, likely

      • mike5790

        he has so much less tape than even D Carr, that that is a crazy deal

        so the next time you accuse our FO of saving face… this is San Fran front office saving face, getting it done way before FA, and the psychology of the sunk cost of a draft pick

  • Different_Cat
    • walter_in_fallschurch

      does kyrie wonder what the underside of the earth looks like, or was that all a joke?

      • Different_Cat

        Duh, it looks the same but everything’s in Chinese.

        • walter_in_fallschurch

          the guy is lucky he can ball like a mofo. he cannot really believe the earth is flat. that’s just a joke, right?

        • SCamp

          …and upside down

  • btg

    Thanks Jimmy!!! – KC

    • the_amazing_spiderman

      Kirks will be 4/$115 mil

  • btg

    713, JTatum is twice the player that lonzo is

  • Different_Cat

    I’ll take it.

    21: R1P21 LB ROQUAN SMITH GEORGIA
    22: R1P22 DL VITA VEA WASHINGTON
    44: R2P12 G WILL HERNANDEZ UTEP
    115: R4P13 WR DANTE PETTIS WASHINGTON
    151: R5P12 RB KALEN BALLAGE ARIZONA STATE
    191: R6P14 CB HOLTON HILL TEXAS
    231: R7P13 DL NATHAN SHEPHERD FORT HAYS STATE
    241: R7P23 CB DARIUS PHILLIPS WESTERN MICHIGAN

    • btg

      I’ll take it also

    • kon, for now

      That Bills trade…ain’t gonna happen

      • Different_Cat

        You never know! Mayfield drops to 13? Which is exactly what happened in this draft.

    • mike5790

      that RB better be a baller

      • SCamp

        No… he just has a giant sack

  • btg

    Rumors are Jimmy G got 5/137
    Guaranteed hasn’t been announced

    • Back to the good ol daysBruce

      was just about to post. Only a 2nd rounder…..

      • btg

        Pat’s screwed up on that trade

        • skinswest

          Certainly looks that way.

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          It would be interesting to see what their angle was.

    • kon, for now

      Can’t make any sense out of an offer like that for a guy whose career numbers are 183 of 272 passes and 12 TDs in just 7 starts

      • Different_Cat

        7 – 0.

        • SCamp

          This is one time where this is the ONLY stat that matters

    • the_amazing_spiderman

      So does Cousins get a better deal than this???

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        *smirk

  • Steve Thomas

    Cavs just traded Jae Crowder and Derek Rose, too. So they now shipped out Thomas, Frye, Crowder, Rose, and a 1st rd draft pick for Jordan Clarkson, Larry Nance, Jr., and Joe Johnson. I guess Lebron knows what he’s doing with all of these trades.

    • alex35332

      By COB they will have 11 all new players around Lebron.

      • Steve Thomas

        ….and then Lebron will leave in free agency anyway.

        • skinswest

          No kidding. They will have some youngish guys to go with that Net’s pick at least.

      • skinswest

        Lue will have his work cut out for him getting all those new faces working together.

    • Steve Thomas

      Update: Dwayne Wade is now gone, too. Traded back to Miami. Plus traded away Iman Shumpert for Rodney Hood and George Hill. The blood-letting continues.

      So now the tally is, Crowder, Rose, Thomas, Frye, Shumpert, Wade, and a 1st rd pick all gone, for Clarkson, Nance, Hill, Hood, and something for Wade. Wow.

      • alex35332

        Maybe my joke that they are just gonna put 11 new guys on that team wasn’t a joke?

        • Steve Thomas

          Well, that’s 6 of 14, assuming they had a full roster, minus Lebron, so they’re almost halfway there.

    • SCamp

      Joe Johnson went to Utah… not the Cavs

  • Steve Thomas

    Is it possible that the Redskins actually draft a kicker this year? Hopkins contract expired.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      And he’ll be a sniper.

    • alex35332

      I assume he resigns, we cut Rose who was on a 2 year deal, probably wouldn’t have if they didn’t have a plan.

    • walter_in_fallschurch

      our kicker is fine. kickers are a dime-a-dozen. why draft one

      • Steve Thomas

        We technically don’t have a kicker, which is why I brought it up. A draft pick would be a cheaper option than Hopkins.

        • mike5790

          two 7th round picks

  • walter_in_fallschurch

    do you realize how lucky americans, and he world, are that our founding fathers were such intellectual mofos?

    • the_amazing_spiderman

      Be thankful for religion too.. because that had a lot to do with their forefathers convictions of coming to America in the first place.

      • walter_in_fallschurch

        they were revolutionary in trying to separate religion from government. that is the single most revolutionary thing they did. changed the world. before that, every country was beholden to this or that god. not america.

        • mike5790

          well, they didn’t want a pope, a king, or tyrannical masses; and for many, that has it roots in their religion; but several of them were Unitarian which was more Deist than many of the conservative sects that followed

          • walter_in_fallschurch

            they did not care what your religious beliefs were. that’s the beauty part.

          • alex35332

            Well Hamilton wanted a King. Well to be more exact, Hamilton had a plan to eventually make himself King. That’s one reason why Burr killed him.

    • alex35332

      All of them except for Benjamin Rush
      That guy was a psychopath.

      • walter_in_fallschurch

        don’t know about him. tell me more.

        • alex35332

          Actually wasn’t terrible, but one of his big contributions to society was that he attempted to classify mental illnesses (which was good) but he tried to fix them through crazy nonsense like blood letting and forms of torture.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      By the power of Grey Skull?

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      You would get manhandled in colonial america.

      • walter_in_fallschurch

        most likely, yes.

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          I’d protect you, though, how are you with a horse-drawn single bottom plow?

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            C’mon Walt, you only have to do ten rows the first day, then I’ll let you draw a springhouse.

      • alex35332

        So would 99% of the people here.
        1st, the mortality rate was ridiculous, people died of everything from a simple cold to beaver attacks.
        2nd, almost no one here really possess a real skill that was valued at the time, basically if you weren’t a farmer you were some kind of smithy or skilled labor, most of which are extinct jobs. And all the lawyers an scholarly types here would have been killed by angry mobs (this wasn’t uncommon in those times)

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Finally, I’m in the 1%! Winning!

          • alex35332

            ^ Beaver Attack fatality.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            You wish, my squaw and I would be sporting beaver pelt underpants! You really have no idea, eh?

          • alex35332

            Shows how little you know. That’s a waste of good beaver pelt, and those things were traded like gold. They were what most of the economy was in Canada at the time.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            It’s called sarcasm, I read the same history books you did. You don’t know, I can’t fix that.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            There are people in this world who blend modern living with old world living, I’ll throw you some corn when times get tough.

          • alex35332

            Corn was new world.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            And that post tells it all.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Upstate NY is a long walk, head West Southwest if you want to live.

          • alex35332

            450 ish Miles. SW is no harder.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Don’t go Southwest, you must go West Southwest or you’ll undershoot sanctuary.

  • mike5790

    Round 2 Pick 2 (NYG): Malik Jefferson, ILB, Texas (A-)
    Round 2 Pick 12: Isaiah Wynn, OG, Georgia (A)
    Round 2 Pick 20 (BALT): Harrison Phillips, DT, Stanford (B+)
    Round 2 Pick 23 (CAR): Auden Tate, WR, Florida State (A-)
    Round 3 Pick 2 (NYG): Tim Settle, DT, Virginia Tech (A)
    Round 4 Pick 13: J.C. Jackson, CB, Maryland (A+)
    Round 5 Pick 12: Josh Adams, RB, Notre Dame (A+)
    Round 6 Pick 14: Jordan Akins, TE, Central Florida (A+)
    Round 7 Pick 13: Joshua Kalu, FS, Nebraska (C)
    Round 7 Pick 23: Darren Carrington II, WR, Utah (A+)

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Just keep pickin’ #66

      • mike5790

        well, I might have traded back 1 too many times, but if Settle pans out in this fake fantasy game, then it would be all good

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Tech or not, not really a fan.

      • AustinSkin

        No POONA? smdh

        • mike5790

          priority UDFA!

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Lol

          • AustinSkin

            For Dallas

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            That’s out of bounds!

  • alex35332

    LOL someone just called into the fan with my crazy theory that the skins could re-neg on the trade still and resign kirk.

    • Flounder

      That would be hard since Kirk is not going to sign here.

    • alex35332

      I mean I wrote it as a joke this morning.
      Sarcastic Alex= Serious Radio callers.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      .141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307816406286 208998628034825342117067982148086513282306647093844609550582231725359408128481 117450284102701938521105559644622948954930381964428810975665933446128475648233 786783165271201909145648566923460348610454326648213393607260249141273724587006 606315588174881520920962829254091715364367892590360011330530548820466521384146 951941511609433057270365759591953092186117381932611793105118548074462379962749 567351885752724891227938183011949129833673362440656643086021394946395224737190 702179860943702770539217176293176752384674818467669405132000568127145263560827 785771342757789609173637178721468440901224953430146549585371050792279689258923 542019956112129021960864034418159813629774771309960518707211349999998372978049 951059731732816096318595024459455346908302642522308253344685035261931188171010 003137838752886587533208381420617177669147303598253490428755468731159562863882 353787593751957781857780532171226806613001927876611195909216420198938095257201 065485863278865936153381827968230301952035301852968995773622599413891249721775 283479131515574857242454150695950829533116861727855889075098381754637464939319 255060400927701671139009848824012858361603563707660104710181942955596198946767 837449448255379774726847104047534646208046684259069491293313677028989152104752 162056966024058038150193511253382430035587640247496473263914199272604269922796 782354781636009341721641219924586315030286182974555706749838505494588586926995 690927210797509302955321165344987202755960236480665499119881834797753566369807 426542527862551818417574672890977772793800081647060016145249192173217214772350 141441973568548161361157352552133475741849468438523323907394143334547762416862 518983569485562099219222184272550254256887671790494601653466804988627232791786 085784383827967976681454100953883786360950680064225125205117392984896084128488 626945604241965285022210661186306744278622039194945047123713786960956364371917 287467764657573962413890865832645995813390478027590099465764078951269468398352 595709825822620522489407726719478268482601476990902640136394437455305068203496 252451749399651431429809190659250937221696461515709858387410597885959772975498 930161753928468138268683868942774155991855925245953959431049972524680845987273 644695848653836736222626099124608051243884390451244136549762780797715691435997 700129616089441694868555848406353422072225828488648158456028506016842739452267 467678895252138522549954666727823986456596116354886230577456498035593634568174 324112515076069479451096596094025228879710893145669136867228748940560101503308 617928680920874760917824938589009714909675985261365549781893129784821682998948 722658804857564014270477555132379641451523746234364542858444795265867821051141 354735739523113427166102135969536231442952484937187110145765403590279934403742 007310578539062198387447808478489683321445713868751943506430218453191048481005 370614680674919278191197939952061419663428754440643745123718192179998391015919 561814675142691239748940907186494231961567945208095146550225231603881930142093 762137855956638937787083039069792077346722182562599661501421503068038447734549 202605414665925201497442850732518666002132434088190710486331734649651453905796 268561005508106658796998163574736384052571459102897064140110971206280439039759 515677157700420337869936007230558763176359421873125147120532928191826186125867 321579198414848829164470609575270695722091756711672291098169091528017350671274 858322287183520935396572512108357915136988209144421006751033467110314126711136 990865851639831501970165151168517143765761835155650884909989859982387345528331 635507647918535893226185489632132933089857064204675259070915481416549859461637 180270981994309924488957571282890592323326097299712084433573265489382391193259 746366730583604142813883032038249037589852437441702913276561809377344403070746 921120191302033038019762110110044929321516084244485963766983895228684783123552 658213144957685726243344189303968642624341077322697802807318915441101044682325 271620105265227211166039666557309254711055785376346682065310989652691862056476 931257058635662018558100729360659876486117910453348850346113657686753249441668 039626579787718556084552965412665408530614344431858676975145661406800700237877 659134401712749470420562230538994561314071127000407854733269939081454664645880 797270826683063432858785698305235808933065757406795457163775254202114955761581 400250126228594130216471550979259230990796547376125517656751357517829666454779 174501129961489030463994713296210734043751895735961458901938971311179042978285 647503203198691514028708085990480109412147221317947647772622414254854540332157 185306142288137585043063321751829798662237172159160771669254748738986654949450 114654062843366393790039769265672146385306736096571209180763832716641627488880 078692560290228472104031721186082041900042296617119637792133757511495950156604 963186294726547364252308177036751590673502350728354056704038674351362222477158 915049530984448933309634087807693259939780541934144737744184263129860809988868…………………..% chance that happens

      • mike5790

        sounds about right, though I’d go under 0.10%

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          …….if it ever stops, I’ll change it, deal?

      • walter_in_fallschurch

        mmmm, key lime pie minus 3.

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Well…..3 is a stretch.

  • Flounder

    Sources: Cavs deal Thomas, Frye to Lakers for Clarkson, Nance.The Lakers have traded Jordan Clarkson and Larry Nance to the Cavaliers for Isaiah Thomas, Channing Frye and a 2018 protected first-round pick, league sources tell ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski.

    • Different_Cat

      Damn, Larry Nance is like 58 years old!

      • Flounder

        LOL Jr.

        • Different_Cat
          • walter_in_fallschurch

            damn…. that is an impressive pic.

          • Steve Thomas

            Nance Jr. is awesome. Definitely has dad’s talent. He’s in the slam dunk contest this year, finally.

      • p1funk

        He’s that old dude who spots up and hits the mid-range jumper…every time.

    • Flounder

      Makes the Cavs younger and lets the Lakers clear cap space top make a run at Lebron next year.

  • Zig-Zag_BC
  • noonefromtampa

    did someone math-challenged pick a committee with 8 members so that a vote could end in a tie?

    odd number people, odd numbers

    • mike5790

      is there a vacant seat on the committee?

    • the_amazing_spiderman

      I am just waiting for the day when the NFL has two teams that are tied for the last wild-card spot, and it comes down to a coin-toss. Ooooooohhhh how salty the loser will be…..

    • alex35332

      So you are saying my idea of expanding the SCOTUS to 20 won’t work?

  • noonefromtampa

    if Kirk took his $44M and bought an annuity he could probably get about $250K a month for the next 40 years

  • p1funk

    Bullock thinks the Skins should go after Dion Lewis or Isaiah Crowell in FA. Derp. Not interested in adding another unspectacular-but-serviceable RB to our current stable of unspectacular-but-serviceable RBs.

    • Different_Cat

      I’ve been pushing Lewis for a while. Perfect type of back for Jay’s offense. Crowell’s good but not so different from Kelley and Perine.

      • p1funk

        And what do you do with Chris Thompson?

        • Different_Cat

          They both have durability concerns, so you play one when the other is banged up.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            But which is the “backup car”?

          • p1funk

            That’s quite a luxury. Good luck paying them and sorting out the time-share when both are healthy.

            …or we could just keep Thompson and have Kapri Bibbs on the backup

          • Different_Cat

            Pats seemed to do pretty well alternating White and Lewis.

      • btg

        No thanks
        Lewis and CT overlap

        Crowell absolutely

        • Different_Cat

          Unfortunately that’s like saying we don’t need another TE because he’d overlap with Reed.

  • p1funk

    Waiting for Ernie to trade a Wizards pick for a big man with knee problems. Oh yeah! Nevermind! He’s already traded away all the trade-able picks.

    • alex35332

      They need to embrace what they are, with Walls injury, fire sale the season outside of Beal and Porter, and get anything you can for their older players.

  • noonefromtampa

    for those of you who have lived in FL

    The man who founded 1-800-ASK-GARY was arrested in Manatee County and charged with DUI.

    The Manatee County Sheriff’s Office said a vehicle driven by Gary Kompothecras, 57, was traveling 100 mph early Thursday on the JD Young Bridge in Bradenton. The vehicle was stopped, and a deputy “could smell the odor of an alcoholic beverage” from the vehicle.

    Kompothecras was instructed to do a number of tests that he failed, and he was placed under arrest, according to an arrest report. He also refused to provide a breath sample, authorities said. He was taken to the Manatee County Jail.

    The website for 1-800-ASK-GARY refers to the company as “an attorney and medical referral service for people involved in an auto accident or other type of personal injury in Florida.”

    • noonefromtampa

      they had some of cheesiest commercials on radio and TV

  • alex35332

    Steve will get excited.
    Kevin O’Connor‏Verified account @KevinOConnorNBA
    3m3 minutes ago

    I’m hearing it’s Isaiah Thomas, Channing Frye, and the Cavs first to Lakers for Clarkson and Nance.

    • Steve Thomas

      I’m not that excited about giving up Clarkson and Nance for Thomas. Isaiah has been terrible. I assume that both of those guys must be on 1 year deals for the Lakers to consider it.

      • alex35332

        Your getting a pick out of it.

        • Steve Thomas

          Okay, I see that both of those guys are in the last year of their deals, so this trade is about getting rid of Clarkson’s contract, and the price to do that is Nance. This is a “get Lebron and Paul George” move.

          • alex35332

            Yeah, that’s what they were saying on the radio is that LA want’s Bron

    • p1funk

      Just read an ESPN article about Isaiah Thomas saying he’s tired of getting traded…

      • walter_in_fallschurch

        poor multi-millionaire…

        • p1funk

          Yeah…like Kirk Cousins. Poor guy got abused and disrespected by the Skins…to the tune of 50ish mill.

  • the_amazing_spiderman
    • the_amazing_spiderman

      For non-twitter folk:

      US speed skater Shani Davis says the coin toss that decided luger Erin Hamlin will be flag bearer at the Winter Olympics was “dishonorably” done http://cnn.it/2nM7I3n

      • kon, for now

        Thanks CNN. That really clears it up.

      • Steve Thomas

        So he’s saying that the idea of a coin toss was dishonorable, not that the actual toss itself was dishonorable. He has a point.

        • walter_in_fallschurch

          soo… arm wrestling showdown?

          • kon, for now

            Beer pong!

        • kon, for now

          You think they should have arm wrestled for it?

          • Steve Thomas

            No, I think that the poo-bahs in charge should’ve just made a decision. A coin toss is stupid.

          • Josh RosenSquinns

            Poo-bahs wouldn’t want to make the decision. Had committee. Committee voted.

        • Josh RosenSquinns

          So what’s a better solution? Didn’t see him suggest one.

          Vote was 4-4. Game of chance to break tie. Seems reasonable to me.

          Sour grapes.

          • the_amazing_spiderman

            Even then… this wouldn’t even be an issue if he had one the coin toss.

          • Josh RosenSquinns

            ^Hello! Yes, Bob, we have a winner!

        • p1funk

          Nothing says “honor” like whining about a coin toss.

    • alex35332
  • walter_in_fallschurch

    it has never even occurred to me to hit, or make unwanted sexual advances on, a woman. what the hell is wrong with these people?!?! it’s become such daily news, we’re getting immune to it.

    • Steve Thomas

      My opinion: It’s a combination of an abnormal mindset coupled with power and time. You’re normal, so it would never occur to you to pull Weinstein garbage, as is true for most people. But actors and hollywood types are sometimes extreme personalities, which is pretty necessary to do the creative things they do; couple that with money and power, and that’s where the problem arises.

      • walter_in_fallschurch

        thanks for the thoughts. not buying the “creative/extreme” angle. maybe i can see the “money/power” angle.

        • Steve Thomas

          I think that those with extreme personality traits are prone to extreme behavior.

        • Josh RosenSquinns

          Agree. Money and power; not creative types.

          Lots of people accused that aren’t the creative types, but they all appear to fall within the money/power box.

          • Josh RosenSquinns

            More just the power, IMO.

          • kon, for now

            Let the power do the seducing. It gets them that much more hotter when you don’t whip it out.

          • alex35332

            Except the comedians, who aren’t hitting women, but are sexually assaulting them.

          • Josh RosenSquinns

            Power/ego.

        • Different_Cat

          I don’t think this phenomenon is in any way more prevalent among Hollywood and government types than it is among “normal” folk. It just gets more media attention.

          • Josh RosenSquinns

            My guess it happens quite a bit in the Ivory Towers.

      • Steve Thomas

        Or put another way, crazy people do crazy things.

    • kon, for now

      When you’re decent to your core, being a complete and utter dickhead will not occur to you.

      • alex35332

        Even when your only 1/2 decent you will maybe contemplate being a utter dickhead, but will think it over and not be terrible.

    • alex35332

      One thing no one asks, is any of that learned behavior, did any of these guys see it from their dads?

      • kon, for now

        There’s learned…and there’s not discouraged and or enabled.

        • alex35332

          True.

      • walter_in_fallschurch

        general theory says most learned it from dad. i’m sure the are plenty of exceptions…

  • noonefromtampa

    mista moe
    7:46 AM EST
    Ms. Martin’s photo is killing me….brown skin, them eyes, damn
    ==================================
    Moe’s in lust, we may never see him here

  • noonefromtampa
  • noonefromtampa

    Don’t forget to count in that Breeland also comes from a small rural town in SC like Norman and DJ

    there may be some pull there to keep him here with his “homies”

    • noonefromtampa

      grew up in a town of 3,500 people in county of 11,000 people

      I went to one of the smaller NoVa high schools and we had 1,300 students

      • alex35332

        1,3000 all together or in your graduating class.
        My pops went to a small school in Queens NY, had over 2,000 people in his grade alone.

        • noonefromtampa

          1,300 total, 435 in my grad class

  • noonefromtampa

    the Redskins have really been trying to build since Jay became HC

    I think we changed this past year and tried more of a win-now strategy becuase Kirk was going to be gone after this year

    I think the FO realized that some time during/after 2016 season, hence the change

    the Smith deal allows the team to go back to more of the building strategy by providing stability at QB

    • noonefromtampa

      I think they will try to address WR, OL in FA

      draft will be about Defense, OL and maybe future QB

    • alex35332

      It’s kinda complex. If last year was “win now” we wouldn’t have dumped 2 star WR’s that were the heart of the offense for 2 years before.

      • noonefromtampa

        they thought they got a “steal” in Pryor and Doctson would have huge break out year

        • walter_in_fallschurch

          i was very disappointed in pryor. but, that was my bad. you look at his stats for last year and this year – his completion rate was about the same. they just had no one else to throw to in cleveland.

      • Steve Thomas

        “Win now” is just about as vague a term as “#1 WR”.

        • walter_in_fallschurch

          “shut-down corner”

        • alex35332

          Neither term is vague. You’re just over-lawyering the lexicon

      • mike5790

        well, remember they thought they were addressing defense against the run in FA last year, and well, there wasn’t room for Garcon or Jackson under the cap in that case. they had 18-19 mil cap hit between them last year

        • alex35332

          And yet defense still ended up in the bottom vs the run.

    • Flounder

      I don;t see last year as being win now at all, we let go of two WR’s if they wanted to win now they keep both of them

  • noonefromtampa

    to me win-now is

    team has 1 to 2 season to go all in for a Super Bowl run before age/cap forces major roster overhaul

    so you sign high-end (age or $$) veterans to fill roster holes on short time frame deals

    • noonefromtampa

      every team of course wants to win, now otherwise why play the game

      but win-now if different than win, now

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Win, how? – Daniel Snyder

  • Steve Thomas

    Poll is up on our twitter page – pls vote for us.

  • alex35332

    Steve Thomas Team Captain alex35332 • 20 minutes ago
    Somebody really needs to define for me what “win-now” mode is vs “not win-now” mode.

    Win now- 1. You think your Superbowl window is open. 2. You seek to fill holes with big name vets on short deals.
    Not win now- 1. You think you are a few years, 2 or 3, away from being a Superbowl contender. 2. You seek to build via drafting and developing young talent to improve your roster.

    Every teams a balance of the two, not an A/B thing, more like a pie chart.

    • mike5790

      not win now: you’re a HC and/or GM in the first 2 years of your contract.

      I mean, I argue that everyone is in the rebuilding/reloading struggle now, but if people want there to be a win-now mode that is exclusive to just a handful of teams that maybe are in the top 4 of each conference and gives those teams an excuse to make myopic deals to put them over the top? …for the most part… THOSE types of teams don’t make those deals. maybe for a QB should their franchise guy retire or suffer major injury.

      • alex35332

        Exactly what I think too. Good teams are never in win now mode, are always building for down the road.

        • mike5790

          they’re in win always mode?
          until they fire everyone
          and then they have 1-2 years of not win mode?

        • Flounder

          Yeah all team retool or add ever year nobody is ever in we don’t want to win mode or you wont be there for long.,

        • Steve Thomas

          I guess my point is that the terminology could be construed as some teams surrendering before the season even starts – as in, “now we’re really trying to win, whereas we weren’t last year”. It’s a word choice thing.

  • btg

    What’s the deets with Bree

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Rap is hard?

    • Josh RosenSquinns

      Vague language about not burning any long term bridges for short term hunger. Take it as you will.

    • Josh RosenSquinns

      Would be great if we ccould sign up Bree on a reasonable deal long term deal and sign Zach Brown.

      • SCamp

        Would be a good start

  • kon, for now

    HTTRsince65 3 minutes ago
    like the last 20 years or so?
    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    In the 26 years since the Redskins last built a SuperBowl winning team…

    ancient Egyptians could have built the Great Pyramid.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Not without us – Aliens, Hebrews

    • mike5790

      how long would it take Vegas?

      • mike5790

        Answer: 20 months
        Luxor was built between March 1992 and October 1993, they’ve since added twin ziggurat towers to the pyramid, so it has well over 4000 guest rooms

  • HTTRsince65

    Somebody please make Jessica Tarlov quit talking. Her vocal fry is horrible!

    • kon, for now

      Or, you could hit mute. That’s temporary though.

      The permanent fix is to, turn off cable news. Forever.

      • mike5790

        not have cable at all has it’s benefits

      • HTTRsince65

        I like to watch what my clients are watching. Helps to be relatable if you will.

        • kon, for now

          Why would you want to relate to paranoid conspiracy theorist types?

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    My “Teams” player (not a kicker): Secdrick Cooper, FS, LA Tech

    • Different_Cat

      Mine would be Shaq Griffin, the one-armed bandit.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Need a hard plastic butt-cap for that nub, fuck peeps up.

        • Josh RosenSquinns

          ^Don’t we do phrasing any more?

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            You have a potty-mind.

    • Josh RosenSquinns

      Mine is Kicquit Reelfawr.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        He’s good, better than that bum Scott, from Bama.

      • Josh RosenSquinns

        Defeinitely dislike Freekyn Shankette

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          You don’t have any players, that’s ok….

  • noonefromtampa

    From WaPo article

    Washington

    There’s still plenty of time for roster tinkering via free agency and the draft, but Washington altered the market with its stunning trade for Kansas City quarterback Alex Smith during Super Bowl week. The acquisition, which technically isn’t official until the start of the new league year in March, signaled the Redskins are in win-now mode with a veteran quarterback with postseason experience.
    ===================================================
    I don’t agree with the win now mode statement

    win now says we load up a roster with players on short term deals

    if anything last year was a win now try

    to me the Smith trade is an attempt to stabilize the QB position with a proven QB

    • alex35332

      Yeah not sure who wrote that but it’s lazy spin.

      • noonefromtampa

        New girl Kim Martin

      • Steve Thomas

        Somebody really needs to define for me what “win-now” mode is vs “not win-now” mode.

        • Different_Cat

          Not win-now = rebuilding

          • HTTRsince65

            like the last 20 years or so?

          • Different_Cat

            Well, there’s a difference between *consciously* rebuilding and constantly trying to patch a team together than can win some games this year … although they may have the same result over the short term.

        • kon, for now

          Not win now is a state of building toward win now where a club feels it has assembled enough pieces to, win now.

    • Different_Cat

      Depends what you mean by “win now,” I guess. Clearly the move was designed to win games over the next 2-3 yrs., as opposed to longer term.

      • noonefromtampa

        almost every NFL team does not look beyond 3 years

        • Different_Cat

          True.

      • SCamp

        The move was so we would not take a step backward while still trying to build.

    • walter_in_fallschurch

      i agree that it’s not “win now”. i think it is stack the roster for our next qb to step into. dreaming, i know.

    • kon, for now

      No #1 WR
      No #1 RB

      WIN NOW!

    • Flounder

      Well what do you expect from the Wapo.

  • the_amazing_spiderman

    Things on twitter are heating up regarding Breeland. Redskins may have made an offer to him.

    nothing finalized, one way or another, in Breeland's situation. At one point clearly headed to FA. … Don't know yet where this goes. https://t.co/A7P329zWxB— John Keim (@john_keim) February 8, 2018

  • alex35332

    noonefromtampa • 18 minutes ago

    FYI Ziggy Hood played 49% of all DEF snap last season second behind Ioannidis who played 53.5%
    ——
    Hoods snaps also went up after Allen and Ioannidis got hurt, because Hood really is a DE/DT, not an NT. McGee was the NT and played about 30% of snaps each week.

    • Different_Cat

      Before Allen got hurt Manusky was rotating the whole front when we switched from 3-4 to 4-3. In the 3-4 he was using LDE McGee, NT Hood, RDE McClean. In the 4 man front it was: LDE Kerrigan, LDT Ioannidis, RDT Allen, RDE Smith.

  • mike5790

    Drew Brown

  • Different_Cat

    noonefromtampa • 15 minutes ago
    FYI Ziggy Hood played 49% of all DEF snap last season second behind Ioannidis who played 53.5%
    —————
    Hood ranked No. 122 out of 122 DTs rated by PFF. I believe he was in the bottom three last year as well.

    Terrell McClain was No. 120….

    • btg

      Draft DL

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        They probably will, just maybe not at 13.

    • noonefromtampa

      Hood “consistent ball player”

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Tbf, no one, not even Noone, was defending ZHood.

  • Steve Thomas

    In case people are wondering, we started with special teams (1) to give Adam more time to study the more relevant positions, and (2) to get this out of the way early and build up to the good stuff.

    • noonefromtampa

      Methinks the peeps be tugging your leg, arg

      • noonefromtampa

        FYI Wednesday September 19, 2018 is International Talk Like a Pirate Day

        • mike5790

          September 8th, we play for blood.

  • Different_Cat

    The fuck?! Can we get some long snapper scouting reports up in here?!

    • alex35332

      Yeah, who gives a fuck about kickers, I wanna see edge guys, gunners, and maybe top return guys if we’re feeling lazy. 🙂

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    Lol

  • Flounder

    I would like to pick up Scott from Bama.

  • the_amazing_spiderman
  • Zig-Zag_BC

    So this post wasn’t requested by Kelly………………………..

    I’m fapping like a fucking madman right now!!!! – flounder

  • noonefromtampa

    Punters? you start with Punters!

    • btg

      Ugh 😑

    • SCamp

      Get rid of the chaff quick I guess

    • walter_in_fallschurch

      people who traverse venician canals cannot be dismissed.