What is the best network TV show to debut after the Super Bowl?

By Chris Lawrence
As we discussed on the most recent It’s Just Business podcast, nothing gets eyeballs on TV like the Super Bowl. The host network leverages this to do a bunch of things good for the network like collect huge ad revenue, promote their entire sports package and drive viewers to their prime time line-up. One of the ways they have done this has been elevating a show as the lead-out from the coverage. This has looked different at different times like a Jimmy Kimmell special or “very special episode” like this year with This Is Us and finally learning how the guy from Heroes dies. But often the network uses it as a way to kick off new shows. So we present this poll to ask which premier was the best. We obviously had to cut down to 4, so if your favorite isn’t here name it in the comments and call me an idiot (I am used to it). You will notice a distinct Redskins connection to this poll.

Family Guy (Fox) premiered after Super Bowl XXXIII (Atlanta/Denver) in 1999. It garnered a 22 share Nielsen rating. It still runs today and is in syndication

The Wonder Years (ABC) premiered after Super Bowl XXII (Washington/Denver) in 1993. (Good year!) It garnered a 28.9 share Nielsen rating. Ran for 5 seasons and forever in syndication.

The A-Team (NBC) premiered after Super Bowl XVII (Washington/Miami) in 1983 (Good Year!) It garnered a 21.9 share Nielsen rating. Ran for 4 seasons and forever in syndication. One note: This was the first official episode of the series although it was based of a made for TV movie that had ran earlier and with a different actor playing Face Man.

24: Legacy (FOX) premiered after Super Bowl LI (New England/Atlanta). It garnered a 17.5 share Nielsen rating. This was a spin-off of 24 and ran for 1 season. It has a weird distinction of being the lowest rate post Super Bowl show ever but highest rated episode of 24 ever.

  • Flounder

    Does anyone have interest in going after either of these guys?

    Dontari Poe DT 27 ATL
    Bennie Logan DT 28 KC

  • Flounder

    So Jacoby didn’t even make it to the final 10 yet these o-linemen did Steve Hutchinson, Tony Boselli, Kevin Mawae and Alan Faneca. Jacoby is better than any of these guys by far the problem is these guys voting now never saw him play.

  • SCamp

    Loooooong day of wrestling. 850 kids…12 mats.

  • Steve Thomas

    Move along, kids – new post: http://www.thehogsty.com/2018/02/03/bobby-beathard-elected -to-hall-of-fame/

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Woowee! That’s right, it’s Saturday night!

  • kon, for now

    HogSty unloading on the HOF voters on twitter ⟶

    • Kelly

      Sounding mighty bitter, too.

      • kon, for now

        It’s a heaping pile of shit. Joe Jacoby, is objectively….the modern era’s prototype for the big mobile blocker. He’s got the game tape, the stats, lengthy career at multiple positions and the rings.

        What the hell is the voter’s problem?

        • walter_in_fallschurch

          i remember thinking, “jeez…. joe is over 300 pounds”. that was HUGE in the 80s. 305 and fast and agile…. changed left tackle.

      • Steve Thomas

        It’s me, and I’m extremely bitter. Joe really wanted to get into the Hall of Fame, and he deserved it, and now he probably won’t make it.

        • kon, for now

          It’s maddening

        • Kelly

          He absolutely deserved it. Bringing up Ray Lewis’ murder accusation is just sour grapes, though. The guy got elected to the HOF, that shit is in the past.

  • Big Buck64
  • kon, for now

    Sean McVay….Coach of the year

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    The only way #66 gets into the HOF is if this organization removes it’s head from it’s ass and decides they’d like to be winners again.

  • SCamp
    • Zig-Zag_BC

      That’s clearly not possible, and a huge waste of time and taxpayer’s money. Mexicans can just walk around it and the cinder block construction is obviously not strong enough to repel direct frontal assault by ISIS tanks.

      • frediefritz

        Damn, I didn’t know ISIS had tanks in Mexico!

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Neither did I till D_C posted the tweet.

    • walter_in_fallschurch

      why does trump make that face so much?

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    Alex drinks whiskey with his Granddaddy while they sit on the porch listenin’ to the Opry and watch the lightnin’ bugs dancin’ on the breeze of a warm southern night.
    Kirk tries on American Eagle sweaters in the mirror while Creed blares from the RCA CD player his Grandpa gave him, slurpin’ diet iced tea through a twisty straw.

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    Alex Smith’s # is 11, that’s 3 more than Kirk, who’s # is 8, clearly better.
    Alex Smith once laid the entire Raiders cheerleader squad while on a trip to Vegas, Elvis style. Kirk married some chick from his church youth group.
    Kirk has eternal life, sorry Alex
    Alex wears normal man clothes, Kirk dresses like some Brokers kid on holiday in Martha’s vineyard.

  • HTTRsince65

    Rudolph Contreras was the FISA Judge who issued a warrant to spy on Carter Page because of a Yahoo News article and a Phony Dossier. Guess who appointed Contreras to the FISA Court? Barack Obama

    • kon, for now

      The president nominates the individual. The Chief Justice of the Supreme Court makes the appointment.

      Guess who the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court is? John Glover Roberts.

    • Kelly

      What exactly are you guys trying to prove, here?

  • walter_in_fallschurch

    i can’t believe the spread is 4-5 points. patriots will win by 10-20.

    • HTTRsince65

      I hope you’re right

      • walter_in_fallschurch

        thanks.

  • walter_in_fallschurch

    so, the thinking is that the giants are going with eli for another year or 2 or whatever. excellent. eli does not scare me, and i would hate to face kurt cummings twice a year. glad, in a sense, that cowboys, eagles and giants are set at qb. kind of a weird thing to be glad about, but there it is.

  • Kelly

    To help you get over Jacoby’s being overlooked again, I give you Squat Magic.

    https://media.giphy.com/media/iLffk7ppegxqM/giphy.gif

    • Big Buck64

      damn

    • Flounder

      Damn

    • walter_in_fallschurch

      sorry to post that comment above which moves this video down the screen.

    • kon, for now

      Can’t for the life of me figure out what this thing is for

      • SCamp

        So they can properly learn to ride with the anus

    • SCamp

      Wow…

  • Flounder

    No HOF for Jacoby has to be the most pathetic thing I have seen, I doubt half the voters even saw him play.

    • Lbsand

      I think if he was a 1st or even a 2nd round draft pick and had the same career, he’d have been voted in years ago. Which is doubly pathetic.

  • Different_Cat

    Gurley named offensive player of the year. McVay’s smiling.

    • WHY3

      One and done in the playoffs…I wouldn’t smile too much.

      • Kelly

        I would. Taking the Rams to the playoffs his first year as a head coach?

        • WHY3

          OK, that was nice. I’ll be impressed if he can sustain it. I’m still not sold on Goff.

  • Lbsand

    ‘Aaron Donald first tackle since ’99 to win Defensive Player of the Year’

    Only others were Sapp, Cortez Kennedy, Mean Joe.

    • Different_Cat

      Well deserved. Might have been the best player in the NFL at any position this year.

  • Different_Cat

    Didn’t get Jake, but Beathard was named to the HOF. Hail Bobby!

    • DC-Dan

      Happy for Bobby, but there is no way that Brian Urlacher was a better player at his position than Jake

      • Different_Cat

        No argument from me.

      • WHY3

        There’s got to be a better way to do the HOF. Maybe have a set amount of players from certain position groups each year? No more than 1 QB, 1 receiver, and 1 RB on offense plus at least one olineman. And do something similar for defense.

        If someone who knew nothing about football just walked into the HOF, they’d think offense was played with 4 QBs, 3 WRs, 3 RBs and one olineman.

  • Big Buck64

    I’m gonna do chili tomorrow . Keep it simple .

  • Rick Deez

    I doubt the Redskins get a BIG free agent left guard. They have Scherff’s deal coming up and it doesn’t make sense to have HUGE money tied up in the O-line. Moses and Williams are making large coin.

    • Flounder

      Draft a LG.

  • Flounder

    smokey • 2 hours ago
    Zach Brown is going to be looking for 6.5 mill per year. With a four year year deal–three guaranteed–I hope the Skins make it happen. That roughly 20 mill with other incentives.
    ___________________________________________________________________________________
    Zack Brown was better in 2016 and not injured and he got no interest in FA’s and had to sign a cheap 1 yer deal with us, not sure why after an injury year he will all the sudden be coveted on the open market.

    • Lbsand

      Because of back-to-back very productive years?

  • Big Buck64

    A QB comparison breakdown would make a good article/thread . Put it out there for everybody to see , so there are no “mistakes” in the jibba jabba. Course , I ain’t the guy that has to put all that together .

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Opinions
      Smith can’t handle the volume Kirk did
      Kirk doesn’t quite have the touch Smith does
      Smith can’t quite drive the ball in there on a 20 yard post like Kirk can
      Kirk can’t scramble and save plays like Smith can.
      Smith does better after contact and protects the ball better.
      Kirk is a fucking robot when it comes to study
      Fuck Kirk, he’s gone. We don’t make decisions for the team. Welcome to DC, Alex.

      • Big Buck64

        Only the comparison’s won’t stop and those are your opinions . If somebody is feeding me shit and I know it , there’s a reference to turn to. It was a suggestion . I know they fucked up.

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          I ain’t feeding you a goddamn thing.

  • Big Buck64

    Gotta run the ball and play defense a whole lot better . That’s the bottom line . That’s what Kirk needed and never had and that’s what Smith’s going to need . If you force him to throw at the rate KC did , same results or worse , in my opinion.

    • AustinSkin

      A mauler at LG would be helpful.

      • Big Buck64

        right .

      • DC-Dan

        I wouldn’t mind putting our FA dollars into Andrew Norwell from the Panthers, All Pro G.

        • AustinSkin

          Very good, but also very pricey. You could get Quenton Nelson (if available) or Hernandez on rookie contracts.

          • DC-Dan

            I take Nelson in a heart beat if available at 13. If Hernandez is there in the 2nd then absolutely

          • AustinSkin

            I could see the Pukes taking Hernandez at 19th pick.

          • DC-Dan

            Possibly, they always invest highly in the OLine. Still, I think they need a WR or a LB to replace Lee (dude is great but can’t stay on the field)

  • AustinSkin

    I hope the Super Bowl is a good game, with the Pats ripping out Eagles fan’s hearts, Falcon-style.

    Even more so, I’m rooting for the Pats and the number 3:

    3-0
    3-1
    3-3
    3-4
    3-5
    3-6
    3-8
    3-9

    Super Bowl board numbers.

    • AustinSkin

      $5 per square, pays quarterly and final score.

  • Kelly

    Neither Kirk nor the Redskins were victimized by the other party. When Kirk wanted a LTD, the Skins didn’t. When the Skins wanted a LTD, Kirk didn’t. No need to demonize either side.

    • DC-Dan

      I agree, although that is certainly not the way the media has portrayed it

      • Kelly

        Everyone’s got their feelings on the matter, but both sides did what they thought was in their best interest.

      • HTTRsince65

        f*** the s*** hole fake news media! LOL

    • kon, for now

      Big Jake missed the HoF

      I blame that bastard Cousins

  • smokey

    Time for Smokey to take a trip to the wild side…Gold tequila with lime and a salted rim is calling me. See you fools later.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Stop lying, you drinkin’ El Toro

      • AustinSkin

        The Bull.

        bueno

  • AustinSkin

    JP Finlay‏Verified account @JPFinlayNBCS

    Joe Jacoby did not make the Hall of Fame, per source.

    • smokey

      Shit…how many times has he been passed over????

      • Lbsand

        This was his 20th year eligible. SMDH.

    • kon, for now

      pffft

    • DC-Dan

      That’s it for him then unless the veterans committee puts him in

    • Lbsand

      I fart in the direction of the Selection Committee.

    • kon, for now

      doesn’t make any damn sense

      none at all

      bastard judges

  • Big Buck64
    • Big Buck64

      If you just click on 15, 16, 17 and omit the other years , then enter it . They are almost equal in several categories .

      • Big Buck64

        Thing about is , KC threw the ball almost 200 more times in three years than Alex Smith. We gotta get a run game .

        • Lbsand

          Yes. And KC was ahead A LOT more in the 4th quarter.

    • Lbsand

      Cool website, buck.Thanks.

  • AustinSkin

    There’s always going to be that group of Redskins fans that will pine for Kirk, but the reality is that Kirk wasn’t pining to remain a Redskins, unless he got another $34 million, fully guaranteed, one-year franchise tag deal. Jay and team officials stressed they wanted to start negotiations, and Kirk countered by saying he would wait until free agency starts.

    I can’t say I blame Jay and the front office for cutting bait. So he’s gone, and I think the move to Alex smith is a lateral move at worst, and potentially better over the next couple of years. In the meantime, find a good young prospect, and groom him.

    • DC-Dan

      Fuck Kirk, I don’t give a crap about him. i just think it was stupid to trade for a soon to be 34 year old QB and give him 3 years guaranteed, trade away a Pro Bowl caliber CB and a 3rd round pick, when we aren’t a good enough team for this trade to matter. You make this trade if your team is a contender and just needs a QB. This trade would have made a lot more sense for Jax than us. I would have rather we saved the 23.5 mil a year we’re spending on Smith, put it into the defense, and draft a QB to develop. I get that Smith makes us better in the short term but I think it was shortsighted. We aren’t winning a SB with Smith.

      • Different_Cat

        ^This

      • Flounder

        We still have plenty of cap space for the defense and we can still develop a QB behind a true pro, we have no idea if Fuller will continue to play at the level he did last yer and a 3rd round pick can easily be replaced. Smith was the best QB we could get and the coach and FO’s can’t afford to lose for 3 yeras why we bring along some rookie QB.

        • DC-Dan

          We have 23.5 mil less cap space per year then we would have without Smith. I see no reason for Fuller to fall off. He was a 1st round talent who dropped because of injury and he played like a 1st rounder last season. he will continue to play very well. The coach’s and FO are going to lose 3 years anyway because we aren’t going to be contending during that time.

    • smokey

      I thought the Skins treated Kirk fare over the years…to hand-tie the team till free agency was, imo, chicken shit.

      • Lbsand

        Skins did what they had to do, Kirk got what he wanted. All’s good IMO. I don’t and won’t miss Kirk one bit.

        • Kelly

          Skins did what they wanted, Kirk did what he wanted. Not sure what the problem is.

          • Lbsand

            ‘zactly. The writting has been on the wall for at least 2 years.

  • Different_Cat

    Watching the winter X-Games, it reminded me that I had huge backside air last night. Totally sick.

    • smokey

      “Yuge” fixed it for you. Lol

  • smokey

    Zach Brown is going to be looking for 6.5 mill per year. With a four year year deal–three guaranteed–I hope the Skins make it happen. That roughly 20 mill with other incentives.

    • Lbsand

      With the ~$10M savings next year at QB, Skins could easily make that happen.

      • smokey

        With some creative negotiations, definitely doable

  • DC-Dan

    We need to run the ball much better to escape mediocrity, no matter who our QB is, and I’m not convinced Jay is capable of scheming up a good run game. He’s never done it before

  • smokey

    It’s a fact that Kirk has a penchant for beginning seasons slow.

    • DC-Dan

      That’s true, along with the rest of the team. They seem unprepared the first game or two

      • smokey

        …and that drives me up the wall.

  • Flounder

    Smith first year with Reid in Kansas City he won 11 games and had a very good season, he will have no issue picking up Jays offense.

    • AustinSkin

      Most of Smith’s plays vs. the Redskins looked like Jay could have called those plays. He moved the chains in the 2nd & 3rd & 4th quarters and controlled time of possession.

      He’s been in the league 13 years. This isn’t rocket science for him.

    • Lbsand

      Agree, he’s a pro’s pro and very experienced.

    • DC-Dan

      He’ll learn the offense fine. My comment has to do with you saying it will take Kirk much longer to learn his offense which, of course, you have no way of knowing. Still, Smith is a different QB than Kirk, Don’t expect him to throw for nearly 5k yards

      • Lbsand

        That’s fair and I agree. In his 5 years with KC, he averaged 232 YPG, but also rushed for 22 YPG (1,672 total in 76 games).

        • Lbsand

          Kirk meanwhile, in his last 3 years as the Skins starter, averaged 275 YPG passing and 6.7 YPG rushing.

          • Big Buck64

            Actually , they’re fairly close in many category’s . Kirk has 81 TD’s to Smith’s 61 over the last three years and he has quite a bit more yardage . But KC has a lot more attempts than Smith . KC has more pics but there again , he has thrown it a lot more . All in all , fairly equal . The kicker being one guy is 4 years older than the other .

      • AustinSkin

        His stat line was nearly identical to Kirks, only with fewer interceptions, sacks and fumbles.

        • DC-Dan

          Dude, he had Kelce, Hunt, and Hill for the entire season. We had nobody and 26 different OLine combinations. Smith would likely not have come close to the numbers he put up had he been on the Skins last season

          • Big Buck64

            7 different RB’s ….7

        • Big Buck64

          You might not want to look at 15 and 16 then , if you want to focus on stats .

          • Lbsand

            ^ Smith’s stats, buck? He was good: QB ratings of very solid 95.4 and 91.2. But most importantly, 11-5 and 11-4 in games he started. Yes, Chiefs were the better team…but Smith was part of the reason too.

  • smokey

    Anyone who suspects Smith will start off roaring is overly optimistic. Smith will require game action to run jay’s system. I’m hoping for a very good RB to be acquired, as most of us agree on.

    • DC-Dan

      Definitely need a more explosive RB1

    • Flounder

      Yeah once you get to Smith level learning offense is easy, it will be kirk who takes a much longer time to learn the new offense on whatever team he goes to.

      • DC-Dan

        You pulled this statement entirely out of your ass

  • Flounder

    Andy Reids offense is a short passing WCO’s designed to get the ball out of the QB’s hand very quickly, once Reid relinquished play calling duties Smith was able to throw down field a lot more.

    • Lbsand

      Kelce and Hill, my goodness. Talk about making safeties pucker up.

      • Lbsand

        Kelce is an ass, but I wish we had him. What a talent.

        • AustinSkin

          Smith will do great with Reed (if he can stay healthy) and V Davis

  • Flounder

    Smith had a higher completed air yards percentage then Cousins in 2017. He also had a higher completion percentage.

    • DC-Dan

      Career though:
      Smith – 6.8
      Kirk – 7.5

      You can believe Smith is just as good or better than Kirk if you want. It doesn’t matter to me. When I watch them both play it seems pretty apparent that Kirk is better. I think we need to greatly improve the playmakers we have on offense or Smith will not look good. Remember, Smith had Hill, Hunt and Kelce last year. Kirk had CT for 10 games and….that’s about it.

      • Flounder

        Yeah because Jay’s offense is designed to throw the ball down the field Andy Reids is not.

        • DC-Dan

          if the best weapons we can offer are Doctson and VD down the field, which is all we had last season, jay’s play design won’t matter much

          • Flounder

            Well considering the season isn’t starting anytime soon I would bet we will have more options.

          • smokey

            That’s the hope.

  • Kelly
    • Flounder

      Aren’t reddit articles submitted by football fans like us?

      • Kelly

        Yes… the Reddit community takes shots at Bruce, is what I meant.

  • Different_Cat

    People complained about KC’s hesitation to throw into tight windows. Smith was second to last in aggressiveness % — way below KC. Also explains why he throws so few INTs, though.

    https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing#aggressiveness

    • DC-Dan

      His hesitation to go down the field is obvious when you watch his tape. It’s also obvious that Kirk is a better passer, which actually kind of surprised me when watching our old games. Kirk is a very good QB. We better surround Smith with a lot of talent.

      • Different_Cat

        Yeah, I think Cousins is the better QB overall, but they’re relatively close.

        • Lbsand

          I agree, they’re both good. Each brings a slightly difference skill. Kirk is a better pure passer, Smith better throwing on the move and making plays with his feet.

      • Big Buck64

        I don’t know how you watch that game , and not come way with that conclusion .

  • DC-Dan

    We better hope CT and Reed are healthy next year, which is probably a pipe dream

    • WHY3

      CT has been relatively healthy over the past few years. Reed cannot be counted on at all. I’d be fine with drafting his replacement.

  • AustinSkin

    Green Creme de Menthe
    Vodka
    White Creme de Cacao
    Kahlua

    Tastes EXACTLY like a Girl Scout Thin Mint cookie.

    Put a local bartender to the challenge yesterday, and we came up with this recipe. A little too minty at first, so I suggested a little kahlua.

    The reaction from patrons as they took a sip was priceless. “Oh my God, that IS a Thin Mint!” One guy joked and said he wanted to buy a box of them.

    • smokey

      Try a Scooby Snack. I used to make them a long, long time ago at a bar I used to tend. Forgot what it consisted of though. Maybe your local bartender has a good recipe as drinks vary from region to region.

    • Lbsand

      Gross.

  • DC-Dan

    Just finished watching the Skins/Chiefs game and the Eagles/Chiefs game from earlier this year. Tell you what, if Jay thought Kirk needed to let it rip more down the field he’s going to be pulling his hair out with Smith. Seems like 80% of Smith’s throws are screens, checkdowns or short quick passes. Part of that is the offense he’s asked to run, but you can see him hesitate when looking down field. He appears to me to be the epitome of a “game manager”. If he has a good run game and defense he will keep you in games because he doesn’t turn the ball over. unfortunately we have neither of those things and I think if we ask Smith to win games with his arm like we did with Kirk we are going to suck.

    • AustinSkin

      …and yet he still led the league in deep passing. Go figure.

      I watched the Skins/Chiefs game today. I think Alex Smith will gel really well with our players.

      • Kelly

        He led the league in “deep passing” because he’s got a receiver that can take it the distance from anywhere.

        • Flounder

          Thats how Kirk got most of his deep passes on screens taken to the house.

          • Kelly

            After DJax left, yeah

      • DC-Dan

        He threw the ball down the field more this year than in years past but his career y/pa is 6.9. That’s not good

    • Different_Cat

      That’s always been his rep.

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    Wells Fargo shit hammered

    • Kelly

      What did they do this time?

      • AustinSkin

        The Fed nailed them for unscrupulous behavior.

        • Kelly

          What? That doesn’t sound like it’s good for business.

  • AustinSkin

    This is way out in left field, but I’d kick the tires and bring in unsigned FA Carrington Byndom, CB as a camp invite. When he was healthy at Texas, he had great instincts, broke on the ball hard, and flashed 4.37 speed on his pro day. He’s 25 years old and had brief stints with Carolina, and Arizona. He was released by the Ravens on an undisclosed injury settlement.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tepSRQCvLC0

  • Zig-Zag_BC
  • Different_Cat
  • AustinSkin
    • Different_Cat

      Not athletic!

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Poor Chase…..never had a chance.

  • AustinSkin

    Round 1 Pick 16 (BALT): Derwin James, SS/FS, Florida State (A)
    Round 2 Pick 19 (DET): Will Hernandez, OG, Texas-El Paso (A-)
    Round 2 Pick 20 (BALT): Harrison Phillips, DT, Stanford (B+)
    Round 3 Pick 18 (DET): Mike Gesicki, TE, Penn State (A-)
    Round 4 Pick 13: Jaylen Samuels, RB/WR, North Carolina State (A)
    Round 5 Pick 12: Jack Cichy, ILB/OLB, Wisconsin (B)
    Round 6 Pick 14: Alex Cappa , OT, Humboldt State (B)
    Round 7 Pick 13: Richie James, WR, Middle Tennessee (A+)
    Round 7 Pick 23: Mike White, QB, Western Kentucky (C)

  • Different_Cat
    • kon, for now

      Not once she been taxed on that. Costco will be out of reach!

      She can still head for the $1.50 hot dog and soda

    • Kelly

      Yay, now she can afford to enter the store!

  • Different_Cat

    Article about Tom Brady screaming at his coaches and teammates: http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2018/02/02/tom-brady-has-tolerance-for-mistakes/78HBnF9J5XloomLQ9K6zrJ/story.html

    Peyton Manning was also known as a guy who would tear into his teammates if they made mistakes.

    KC seems to lack that gene.

  • Lbsand

    The Pro Football HOF Selection Committee meets today in Minneapolis. Those elected will be announced tomorrow evening. No-brainer 1st time eligibles include Randy Moss and Ray Lewis. Other no-brianers include Joe Jacoby, of course.

  • noonefromtampa

    More complete list of TV programs that series premiere or pilot episode after the Super Bowl with rating and share

    Brothers and Sisters/31.7/32%
    The A-Team/21.9/39%
    Airwolf/27.9/36%
    MacGruder and Loud/?/38%
    The Last Precinct/39.7/25%
    Hard Copy/?/33%
    The Wonder Years/29/21%
    Grand Slam/30.8/30%
    Davis Rules/26.7/25%
    Homicide: Life on the Street/28.1/31%
    The Good Life/23/22%
    Extreme/22.5/25%
    Family Guy/22/21%

    • noonefromtampa

      probably the best show was Homicide

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Most highly rated show for people with jobs: sleep.

    • kon, for now

      I have zero memory of watching any show after the SB

      Seems weird to me

      Usually heading out or cleaning up

      • kon, for now

        I recall one year watching a SB edition of Beavis & Butthead during halftime

  • AustinSkin

    One of my college housemates has spent most of his adult life doing voiceover work, plus minor acting gigs in movies and on TV shows. Lately, he has secured voiceover work for a couple of drugs (Victoza and another one).

    I joked with him that I’m tired of hearing him banter about side effects 10 times a day.

  • Hope-18

    Interestingly enough we finished the season with 88 folks on the roster (Active, IR, and reserves/futures) With Cousins and Fuller gone, we still will have a lot of guys to trim as we move into the draft (I think).

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      We’re gonna have a lot of guys that still deserve to be trimmed come July.

      Nonsense! – LaBruce

    • kon, for now

      20 free agents

      Can’t count them unless they re-sign

  • Rick Deez

    Bram Weinstein‏Verified account
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    Joe Jacoby.. #HogsHOF

    • Rick Deez

      I wonder if he got in.

  • Different_Cat

    22: R1P22 DL DA’RON PAYNE ALABAMA
    44: R2P12 C JAMES DANIELS IOWA
    95: R3P31 RB SONY MICHEL GEORGIA
    135: R4P33 WR DANTE PETTIS WASHINGTON
    151: R5P12 CB SIRAN NEAL JACKSONVILLE ST.
    154: R5P15 EDGE KEMOKO TURAY RUTGERS
    160: R5P21 LB DARIUS LEONARD SOUTH CAROLINA STATE
    191: R6P14 LB CHRISTIAN SAM ARIZONA STATE
    231: R7P13 DL PJ HALL SAM HOUSTON STATE
    241: R7P23 TE CHRIS HERNDON MIAMI
    254: R7P36 G CODY O’CONNELL WASHINGTON STATE

    • AustinSkin

      I love how often Payne drops to 13

      • Flounder

        Payne will be there late in the 1st or Vea will be.

        • AustinSkin

          4th Round? What the f are you smoking?

          Payne was absolutely dominant against Clemson. Then he took that dominance to another level in the national title game. Against the run, Payne is as refined as any defensive lineman in the class, as he plays with proper leverage, anchoring strength and NFL-caliber block-shedding ability. He flashed getting to the passer in the playoffs too, which was the only knock on his game. Oh, and Payne will only be 20 when he’s drafted.

          • kon, for now

            It’s the athletism that separates him from Vea.

          • Different_Cat

            Vea’s equally athletic … for a guy his size. I think he scored 11 TDs as a senior in HS. As a running back.

          • kon, for now

            Payne is more athletic. And, yea, Vea can move sure. But he’d gas out before Payne.

          • AustinSkin

            Agree

        • mike5790

          I’ll show them how!

          -Alphonso Dennard

      • Different_Cat

        I like the last pick: 6’9″ 363 lbs.

        • mike5790

          Back in business!!!

          -OCB

  • mike5790

    Your Picks:
    Round 1 Pick 25 (TENN): Tremaine Edmunds, OLB, Virginia Tech (B)
    Round 2 Pick 12: Harrison Phillips, DT, Stanford (B)
    Round 2 Pick 18 (DAL): Braden Smith, OT/OG, Auburn (B)
    Round 3 Pick 17 (DAL): Anthony Averett, CB, Alabama (A)
    Round 3 Pick 25 (TENN): D.J. Chark, WR, LSU (A+)
    Round 4 Pick 13: Josh Adams, RB, Notre Dame (A)
    Round 5 Pick 12: Christian Sam, ILB, Arizona State (B+)
    Round 6 Pick 14: Deadrin Senat, DT, South Florida (A)
    Round 7 Pick 13: Adam Breneman, TE, Massachusetts (A+)
    Round 7 Pick 23: Tre’Quan Smith, WR, Central Florida (A+)

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      🙂

      • mike5790

        no 7th round Tanner Lee

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          I’d say “where’s Stroman?” but you took Averett.

  • AustinSkin

    Watching the Chiefs Redskins game, A. Smith threw some really nice balls. In stride and very catchable.

    • AustinSkin

      Good hard count too. Got the redskins to jump offsides 4 times.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Better touch than you know who.

      • AustinSkin

        KSFTSOBLA

        • AustinSkin

          LA = Loser, Asshole

  • Hope-18

    Every winter here I get more tired of being in the NorthEast and wish I was back in Tampa. Looks like we may get snow early on tomorrow morning so all my bud’s have cancelled out on golf.

    • Flounder

      That sucks I want to use the smoker tomorrow but not sure I will be able to now.

      • mike5790

        one of the rare times (also, picnic/kid’s birthday) where
        carport > garage

  • Zig-Zag_BC
  • Flounder

    I think a trade down in the first should be automatic their will be a very good player in the late teens and we can pick up another 2nd or 3rd to make up for the pick we traded.

    • Lbsand

      Sounds good. Unless some guy like Smith or James drops to 13, then I say sprint to the podium and select the elite talent.

      • Flounder

        Yeah you can also trade down in the second to pick up a 3rd round pick.

        • Lbsand

          True dat. The pick at 13 could be attractive to some team for whichever QB slips, of course. Nothing like a desperate team needing a QB, glad we’re not one of ’em.

  • Different_Cat
  • Different_Cat

    One way to help recover from the loss of Fuller would be to draft a LB who can *really* cover, like Roquan Smith. Another guy I’d take at 13 because he’s just that good.

    If you click on the tweet there are a lot of clips.

    https://twitter.com/WurthDraft/status/959464713414434817

    • Flounder

      I would have no issue taking him at 13. This draft is very deep in d-line talent. ILB however is very thin only a couple worth taking.

    • Lbsand

      Agree 100%. A top 5 talent dropping to 13 = no brainer a la Jon Allen.

  • smokey

    Philthy fans are going to destroy their city regardless of game outcome.
    The roof, the roof, the roof’s on fire…we don’t care, let the mother fker burn, burn mother fker, burn!

  • AustinSkin

    Watching the Skins vs. Chiefs game, I have no doubt that Alex Smith will do really well within Jay Gruden’s system.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      I have no doubt that our receivers will do very well, catching the ball in stride and whatnot….

      • AustinSkin

        And we were bringing the heat on A Smith in the 1st half. Fun watching J. Allen and Ion Man work together.

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Yet he didn’t wither. Yeah, it’ll be good to have Allen back.

      • kon, for now

        Won’t know what to do with myself when that starts happening

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          You’ll probably start touching yourself in naughty places.

  • Lbsand

    Eli: 2018, $22.2, $12.4 dead; 2019, $23.2, 6.2 dead.

    • Flounder

      Yeah this is probably his last year.

      • Lbsand

        I could see him retiring after this year.

  • Flounder

    So looks like the Ginats are keeping Eli, they could still draft a QB with the 3rd pick.

    • SCamp

      They should

      • AustinSkin

        …or OL

        • Flounder

          They need that but I don’t see any LT at 3.

          • AustinSkin

            Trade back, and take McGlinchey from Notre Dame

          • Flounder

            Sure they could do that.

      • Flounder

        I agree should trade Eli for whatever they can get.

  • SCamp

    Whelp… the road to state championships start today for the little ones. Today’s tournament is OUTDOORS… on a football field in Carlsbad. Only in Socal…

    • Flounder

      Good luck whooop some ass.

      • SCamp

        I don’t think my son has much chance… but there’s a few kids on the team that are outrageously good. There’s a free clinic with an Olympic wrestler before hand. Should be interesting.

        • Flounder

          Cool have fun.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      How many matches will he have today, 3/4?

      • SCamp

        Not sure yet… it’s a big tourney and I’m not sure how they’re pooling the groups yet. I would say at least 4 though.

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Get him some carbs. Good luck to lil SCamp!

          • SCamp

            Oatmeal and naners

  • SCamp

    Terrell Owens says that if the Eagles win the fans will tear the city down…

    It probably needs it… but why destroy something in celebration?

    • Flounder

      Sounds about right.

  • AustinSkin

    Rewatching the Skins vs. Chiefs game

    • No Punt Intended

      from 2013?

      • AustinSkin

        This year

  • Lbsand

    With the QB situation settle with the Skins, the most interesting 2018 questions to me are: Broncos, Jags, Vikes, Bengals. Broncos are definitely in the market for a veteran starter; Jags might be ‘stuck’ with Bortles if he doesn’t pass a physical in March, Vikes have 3 UFA QB’s and just may go with none of the above, Bengals have Dalton under a pretty cheap contract for another 3 years ($16.3, $16.2, $17.7) and McCarron who is a RFA. Dalton could be very attractive to some team as a trade option.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Fuck…….that

    • kon, for now

      J-E-T

      Jets-jets-jets

      • Lbsand

        And Cards, Bills…but none are very interesting to me.

    • SCamp

      Vikings fans are pining for Kirk

  • Different_Cat
    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Lol

    • kon, for now

      lol…member…of staff

    • Lbsand

      Shrinkage.

    • No Punt Intended

      Ice bucket challenge.

    • kon, for now

      Help! My nuts are stuck!

    • kon, for now
      • Zig-Zag_BC

        FRANK AND BEANS!

    • SCamp

      Imagine if you are the maintenance service personnel that has to cut this guys nuts out of a beach chair…

      Might be time to reevaluate your career path

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        I wouldn’t do it. Think of the liability if say….the sawzall slipped.

        • No Punt Intended

          Just show him a nude photo of Nancy Pelosi. Instant shrivelage.

  • Lbsand

    The person I’m most pleased for in this non-drama, but major distraction, is Jay. He has a good QB and known commodity for at least the next 3 years and can plan/build the O accordingly. At least I THINK Jay will be here.

    • Different_Cat

      I wonder who was “standing on the table” for Alex Smith?

      Side note: you really don’t want to eat off the tables at Redskins Park. Folks always got their shoes on’em.

    • kon, for now

      If he keeps on displaying the same tendencies, I’m sure to remain a critic of Jay.

      On this though, I’m glad for him. Doesn’t matter the QB’s stats, when the will to win isn’t there, and the guy is being paid a shit-ton of money, what’s the HC to do?

      Now though, Jay’s out from under that nonsense and hopefully, can flourish.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        So it never really was about Jay, per se, more a bleeding over of your extreme dislike for our former Quarterback?

        • kon, for now

          Oh no-no-no….I’m merely being open minded and throwing in some benefit of the doubt for Jay and the opportunity that’s presented itself to him.

          If he’s still short on having the team ready, making the wrong call at the wrong time, mismanaging the clock, making goofy player personnel and roster decisions, standing on the sidelines staring off into nothing….I’ll be on him.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Yet your first point hints at Jay being somewhat restricted as to his options based on…….well, that guy.

          • kon, for now

            Consider it a new lease.

            And maybe you recall, I have faulted him for not being able to reach the QB and get the guy to rise up. The QB apparent reluctance aside, the HC has to crack that whip and get that guy to perform.

            I’m hoping we see a HC take charge, not be so player friendly, and make demands of his team.

          • kon, for now

            And can Kotwica already

            fuck sake

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            In some cases, you’re either born with it, or you’re not. No amount of technology or training can get you over the top. You get the biggest and best computer, all of the new gear, the best education money can buy, yet still fall short.

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    You got what was coming to you, and it’s all over but the cryin’, now.

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    Absurd…..you reckon, lol

    • kon, for now

      I feel like reckon is a term used by people that sport the mullet look.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        That’s because you overrate yourself.

        • kon, for now

          Do I?

          Hmmm……

          Naahhhhhhhhhh

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Yes, yes you do. That’s ok, though, you’ve all kinds of company.

          • kon, for now

            I’m so damn humble though. And fully aware of what I’m not good at. Really, it’s astonishing.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            My point, thanks for that.

          • kon, for now

            Don’t envy me my immaculate modesty.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Not in my most downtrodden state, you’re safe in that regard.

          • kon, for now

            Good on ya. Stand tall.

            Mullet and all 🙂

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            You’d like to think that, it makes you feel less feminine.

          • kon, for now

            What’s wrong with feeling feminine?

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Nothing, baby, nothing at all.

  • AustinSkin

    Local sportscasters are a little pissed that Poona didn’t get a combine invite. He was, after all the Big 12 Defensive Lineman of the year. They basically view it as a snub, especially since 6 other Longhorns got combine invites.

    • kon, for now

      UDFA

      • AustinSkin

        Could happen. Honestly, I think a combine snub doesn’t hurt him. With an 80″ wingspan, I don’t expect him to tear it up on the bench press. His speed will be fine. Probably will have a good pro day.

        The team that takes him will have done a deep dive into his game film. He doesn’t take plays off and just knows how to be consistently disruptive.

        • kon, for now

          It’s like his arms ignored the signal to stop reaching for the ground.

          Could make a career out of batting passes. At 6’0, he looks like a throwing lane. QB releases the ball and, THWACK!

          • AustinSkin

            He’s blocked FGs too.

        • Different_Cat

          His arms really aren’t that long: 32 3/4″. Good length for a DT but not extraordinary by any means.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            That’s kind of a sore spot with Austin, take it easy.

  • kon, for now

    The next best thing after severing ties with last year’s QB, finally saying goodbye to Shawn Lauvao.

    He’s not the self-centered prick that that QB is. But still.

    • p1funk

      I’m seeing that Ty Nsekhe is a RFA. Don’t know what the dilly is with his last surgery, but why not have him take first crack at LG?

      • WHY3

        He can’t play guard. That’s why.

        • p1funk

          The old adage is that if you can play T, you can play G. IDK…

          • kon, for now

            There’s a reason on those plays that TWill moved inside while Ty was the tackle.

          • p1funk

            Yeah, suppose so.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        We’re not going to have enough tackles.

      • kon, for now

        At 32, he’s fine to fill in. Don’t expect to get an entire season out of him. He’s never done that.

  • AustinSkin

    Heyo

  • kon, for now

    Select the best interior Olineman available in the draft. Or, pick the best interior Dlineman?

    As much as I want a punishing, run stuffing Dline and top 3 talent….if Nelson or Hernandez is there at 13, lock that mofo down and address the dline in the 2nd.

    • AustinSkin

      If Nelson, definitely. Otherwise I want the most disruptive mauler at DT available.

      • kon, for now

        If we don’t snatch up the best OG available at 13, Dallas will at 19.

        • AustinSkin

          Dallas has a pressing need for an OT. They could go with Connor Williams from Texas, who would be a good get.

  • Zig-Zag_BC
    • kon, for now

      Pennywise, what are you doing hanging out with such a creepy looking dude?

      Don’t let him get you that van of his yo. No telling what happens in that thing.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Confession?

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          “take the body of Krist”

        • kon, for now

          I confess. Schmirk looks like a Duggar.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Maybe a bowl cut Cousins is in order?

  • kon, for now
    • kon, for now

      Should be as easy to find a good gif of coffee as it is to find gifs of cats and dogs. Hell. Easier really.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        The roster never gets old.

    • AustinSkin

      yeah

  • HTTRsince65

    Happy Saturday!

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Hpy Hpy

  • Zig-Zag_BC
  • Zig-Zag_BC
  • p1funk

    **Cousins had made it clear that he and his agent, Mike McCartney,
    wouldn’t engage in any contract talks until the franchise tag deadline
    passed. “Coach [Jay] Gruden called me [on Wednesday] and just
    communicated that my desire to draw the process out through March was
    going to make it tough on them,” Cousins said.**

    During his interviews on Radio Row before Tuesday’s trade, Cousins repeated much of what he said at his end-of-season event with 106.7 The Fan
    last month about winning being more important than money when it comes
    to where he’s playing in 2018, and the ball being in the Redskins’
    court.

    “There’s no need to change the script,” Cousins told NBC Sports Radio’s Mike Florio and Chris Simms on Monday. “Stay consistent with the plan. … We’ll see what the Redskins want to do and then I’ll react accordingly.”

    ____________________________________________________

    Ripped from a WaPo article.

    This is the kind of nonsense from Kirk that I personally grew weary of and soured on with the guy. His public posturing of claiming to want to be in Washington, play for the Redskins, be here long-term, believing in the organization, yada-yada…claiming that the ball is in the Redskins court and he’s got to wait on them…and yet privately it’s clear that he refuses to try to do a long-term deal with the Redskins.

    The choir-boy act is tiresome. Kirk’s turned mercenary and doesn’t want to be here. How much more obvious can it be? If he’d just level with the fans, instead of hiding behind this charade of innocence and Java Jam charity, I’d have a bit more respect for the guy. As it is…don;t let the door hit you on the way out.

    • Kelly

      ‘According to another interview with Kirk, he “turned mercenary” in 2015, when the Redskins made him the starter, but kept Griffin on the team and didn’t want to give him a long-term contract, despite Scot McCloughan’s suggestion that they should lock him up. Someone else in the FO disagreed, because they weren’t sold on Kirk.

      So Kirk’s position could best be summed up as “Fuck me? No, fuck you!”

      I don’t get where people are saying that Kirk is trying to act innocent – as you just said, he has made it clear that he was looking out for himself, so I’m not sure where this narrative comes from that Cousins is acting like he had nothing to do with the situation.

      • p1funk

        The innocent act is what he portrays in public: that he wants to be here long-term and he’s just reacting to what the Redskins are doing. That hasn’t been the case for a year. He doesn’t want to be here and he’s been driving the situation by refusing to do a long-term deal.

        Bear in mind, I think it’s perfectly within his right to do so. He and his agent successfully flipped the table – good for them.

        But I find the public posturing on his part off-putting.

        • WHY3

          That about sums it up. It was all too obvious he didn’t want to be here. Fine. But don’t expect the Redskins to wait for you to figure out where you want to be before they get a replacement.

          • Kelly

            LOL He didn’t wait for the Redskins to figure things out, he waited for them to let him walk.

        • Kelly

          You miss the point where he was the guy who wanted to do a LTD in the first place, and Redskins didn’t. How is him not wanting to do one different?

      • kon, for now

        But look Kelly, they kept him around. They kept trying to get something done. Meanwhile, he kept moving the goal. And, not delivering on the field what they were putting in his pockets.

        I think seeing the best in a person is fine and all, when it’s warranted. In his case, it isn’t.

        • Kelly

          I thought he delivered on the field – he has the best two seasons in franchise history. He wasn’t interested in signing a LTD after 2015. That isn’t him moving the goal, that is him wanting to be a FA and the team choosing to franchise him.

      • p1funk

        In 2015, the Skins management, from Snyder on down, agreed to completely humiliate RG3 in favor of Kirk Cousins, making it his team.

        Whatever else may have happened in subsequent negotiations where he felt low-balled, there is no way you can convince me that what happened in 2015 was somehow a slap of disrespect to Cousins. That is absurd and incredulous.

        • Kelly

          I’m just saying what he said in the interview. He and Scot wanted a LTD, the Redskins didn’t offer one. He felt slighted, shit went downhill from there.

          • p1funk

            Scot was the one that sent him a lowball offer that supposedly offended him so badly. Scot’s the one who said that he doesn’t think Kirk is special, and that he didn’t want to overpay so he could build a team around him. That’s why he was fussin Scot’s hair on the sideline with that whole “How you like me now?” stuff.

            Freaking A, this cloak and dagger stuff swirling around Kirk’s negotiations from the past couple years is discombobulating. Truth is I just want to stop talking about it an move on…probably shouldn’t have even put that initial comment up.

            Here goes:

            Thanks for the last few years, Kirk. Good luck.

            Period. Full stop. End.

    • frediefritz

      Yes I agree funk. If he had been serious, he should at least made an attempt to negotiate a LTD. It appears that Gruden made one last attempt and KC ignored it

  • C. Dub.
    • Kelly

      Saved ’em for later 🙂 Thank you

    • kon, for now

      I’m a firm believer that cannabis needs to be in line with the price per pound of coffee. Which is far more laborious to harvest, and takes a helluva lot longer to get to market. Then has to travel all the way from the frign equator. And still has to be roasted!

      • C. Dub.

        They tell me the prices will fall,but for now it’s high.

        • kon, for now

          Those are blackmarket prices I’m seeing there. At least though, you know what you’re getting and can have confidence in it being free of pesticides, fungus and whatnot.

          • C. Dub.

            Yes,I can get it a lot cheaper on the street ,but man some of that shit is pretty rough on ya.

          • kon, for now

            Yep. In legal states, the streets need to compete. Can’t trust what you get though. It’s random.

            Best you can do is find a dude that runs his own grow and buy from him. Or, her.

          • C. Dub.

            My son told me that they flooded the market in Washington St. and now have to bring the prices way down to get it sold.

          • Kelly

            I’ll pay a little more to know what I’m getting.

          • kon, for now

            Heck yea

  • kon, for now
    • Kelly

      Same logo, colors and name as we have today. That’s where the similarities end.

      • kon, for now

        Right right. Now…go on and catch a classic.

        • Kelly

          Not tonight – we started watching Vikings

          • kon, for now

            Cool.

            Get on little Charlotte’s queue though.

          • Kelly

            We had her watch the 87 Super Bowl last week. This is on the queue 🙂

          • C. Dub.

            If you got time,check out the links above.

    • kon, for now

      Dave Butz…awesome

      • C. Dub.

        We give Joey T. a good ribbing around here,but he was one hard nosed bastid with that one bar helmet.

  • Kelly

    So from what I’m gathering, McCloughan suggested the Redskins sign Kirk to an LTD in 2015, the Redskins decided not to do that, and that’s basically when Kirk decided that if the Redskins weren’t going to have faith in him, he wasn’t going to sign here.

    • C. Dub.

      I kinda thought it ended when he rubbed Scotts head and shouted in his face,but what do I know?

    • kon, for now

      Sure am glad he decided to be a brat about it. I’d hate to be stuck with him another season or more.

    • Big Buck64

      http://larrybrownsports.com/football/report-kirk-proposed-three-year-deal-redskins-2016/424920
      According to this , Cousins camp offered up a proposal in 2016 as well

    • Big Buck64

      They offered him 8 million a year . Naturally , he scoffed at that .

  • Big Buck64
    • C. Dub.

      KSFTG.

    • SCamp

      Kick rocks…

  • Kelly

    https://twitter.com/john_keim/status/959513287556849665

    Not sure this will show the full thread – testing

  • Kelly
    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Happy Birthday Dex.

      • C. Dub.

        The man had one of the two of my favorite all time plays for the Redskins. Bye bye Mr.White ! (left crumpled on the field)

  • kon, for now
  • Big Buck64

    Texas Roadhouse . Nice fat steak and a couple of margaritas .

  • C. Dub.

    Damn eagles fans.Battery throwing, Santa hating bastards !

    • MJ45

      Don’t forget about throwing full beers – Vikings fans

      • C. Dub.

        It won’t happen in the Redskins stadium. You know, too many other teams fans and all…

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          I’d throw Philly cheese steak sub sandwiches at them, from the upper deck.

  • C. Dub.

    Leaves a bad taste in my mouth,but I have to say I think the eagles win the SB.I REALLY hate to say it, but I think they hit a home run with the head coach.
    I must wash my mouth out and have a hit now. BRB.

    • Big Buck64

      I do too , and Jim Schwartz as DC .

      • C. Dub.

        Jim seems a little off the wall but he has coached some good defenses.

        • MJ45

          He’s just not a good head coach.

    • Kelly

      Pederson is the second coming of Andy Reid, which is exactly what Howie Roseman and the Eagles franchise needed after Chip Kelly. They never should have gotten rid of Reid in the first place, TBH.

      • C. Dub.

        You were asking about the pot situation in Md? One thing I can say is, take a fat wad when you go to get it if you are going after medical stuff. That shit is outrageously over priced right now!

        • Kelly

          Good to hear, thanks. I also hear that DC dispensaries accept out-of-state medical cards, so that might be the better option

    • Lbsand

      Eagles D is fo’ real. Wouldn’t surprise me one bit.

  • MJ45

    This trade makes no sense to me if I’m Kansas City. Do they think they’re better off next year with Mahomes over Smith? Why not hang on the one more year that was left on his contract and then go with Mahomes? Did they need out of the 17mil that was left on Smith’s contract?

    • Big Buck64

      They think Mahomes is ready and a starting 22 year old CB .

      • MJ45

        They’re going to be worse next year than they were this year. The team went to hell when defenses stopped Hunt and it forced Smith to do it all on offense.

        • Big Buck64

          IDK, they all love Mahomes . Huge arm and athletic as hell.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            I wanted him.

    • Kelly

      Mahomes is the future. You don’t leave a top-10 draft pick on the bench two years in a row. Smith is at the end of his career, and Mahomes is at the start. Getting $17mm cap space, a 22yr old baller at CB (they needed CB help) and a 3rd round pick while introducing your hot young QB?

      Whether you ask KC fans or NFL experts, this was a *great* trade for KC.

      • C. Dub.

        (looks up from his J.T.Kirk chair) ” REEEEEEEIIIIIIIIIIIDDDD ” ! (hangs head)

  • C. Dub.

    Thanks Kelly, for slapping me out of my heaven. I changed my avatar,lol.

    • Kelly

      I’m happy to slap you around whenever needed 🙂

  • Hope-18

    I think Cousins wanted to wait to see who was interested in him when March 14th came and either the Redskins FT’d and kept him locked up for another season at a high price (unlikely) TT’d him which would be expensive as well but would show that the Redskins really wanted him long term (again unlikely) or he would be a Free Agent. Any way you cut it the end state he wanted to get to was this. Which teams are really interested in me (making offers) and which of those teams are the best? i.e. he knows this team isn’t going anywhere soon but a team like Jacksonville, Denver, Houston, Arizona, etc might be closer to being a play-off contender so he’d go with them. The Redskins just bowed out of contention gracefully. Cousins can now go forward and see which teams want him, and which one he thinks is in the best position to win right now.

    • kon, for now

      Hey Hope. How goes it?

      • Hope-18

        Doin good… 3 weeks abroad was tiring though… and you?

        • Big Buck64

          He’s not doing well .

        • kon, for now

          Splendid here thanks.

    • Big Buck64

      There’s nothing the Redskins could have done to achieve a LTD . Not one thing . Cousins is a fraud , and just wants attention . He is only about money . He should have been more grateful to the organization for drafting him.

      • Hope-18

        Hi Buck… you seem bitter…

        • Big Buck64

          That’s the new narrative . I just want to fit in.

          • Hope-18

            Laughing… ahhh soooo

      • C. Dub.

        Sarcasm font on…

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    Who’s getting #8, the rookie we draft? Kyle “the Spider” Lauletta (#5), or Chase Litton (#14)? I say nobody.

    • kon, for now

      Throw that #8 in the back of the back and don’t look back.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Jack

  • Kelly

    It’ll be fun to watch Alex Smith for a couple of years. This franchise is a fucking joke, though.

    • C. Dub.

      C’mon Kelly,tell us how you REALLY feel. You know you can’t get enough.

      • Kelly

        It’s been 25 years since this team was good.

        • C. Dub.

          What about that one run to the playoffs….

          I got nothin’.

          • Kelly

            We didn’t have a good team in 2012, we had an option concept that other teams didn’t figure out for 6 weeks. Once they figured out how to stop it, the shittiness of the team was revealed unto all.

          • C. Dub.

            (hangs head) I know I’ve been watching also.

          • kon, for now

            We were pretenders. Not contenders.

        • kon, for now

          Brutal stretch

          Sometimes wonder what I did wrong

          • Kelly

            Our only fault, really, is an inability to casually switch allegiances. We are those doomed to laugh or cry based on outcomes we have absolutely no influence over. It blows.

    • kon, for now

      What stage of grief is that?

      • C. Dub.

        lol

      • Kelly

        Acceptance.

    • Big Buck64

      I can’t disagree .

  • Different_Cat
    • C. Dub.

      Robbie too busy to drop by the sty or what?

      • Kelly

        Yep – he’s working at a diff site.

        • C. Dub.

          The site we left?

          • kon, for now

            Nuh uh

            rcc

    • Kelly

      Build a bully must be an interesting guy to hang out with.

    • kon, for now

      Before I click the replies here,

      I bet I know what BC is gonna say about that thread. And it won’t be about Schmirk.

      Now, for the reveal……

      • kon, for now

        Oh, hmmm….

        okay, it’ll happen. Just gotta wait a bit.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Nailed it

    • kon, for now

      Rick’s on a roll today

  • Different_Cat
    • Lbsand

      Nice, 2 in the top 10…both drafted and developed…neither likely to be here next season.

      • SCamp

        Typical

      • HTTRsince65

        According to some, defensive backs are easy to replace. And the only way that I would agree with that is if we get another couple stud defensive lineman so that we will get pressure without having to Blitz.
        Please draft lineman

    • Kelly

      Bree’s numbers can’t include penalties incurred.

    • kon, for now

      On how many attempts?

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      I hope he makes the Pro Bowl next year, some of y’all will get your wish when I get banned.
      https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/495272004648308736/gQ-Z2GLh_400x400.png

      • C. Dub.

        I hope A.Smith does also.

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Sure, me too.

          • C. Dub.

            How about KSFTG ?

          • kon, for now

            I got nothing for that guy. He’s dead to me.

            Won’t even know a damn thing about him until the league does its ‘oooohhh drama’ thing and schedules the player vs his former team thing that they love to do.

          • C. Dub.

            I’ve soured a little on him also.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Over/Under on fans changing the nameplate on their DJax jerseys this season?

          • C. Dub.

            I’ve got a couple of things to get rid of. One says RGIII and the other says “you like that” on it !

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            I’ve seen RG3 jerseys for $40 in the mall, give that shit to Goodwill.

          • C. Dub.

            Flame on !

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Lol

          • C. Dub.

            Not sure if I want to save them to wash the car or burn them .

          • kon, for now

            Keep’m off the paint. Good for wheels though.

          • Kelly

            It’s all the have in the Bay Area

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Damn.
            I have a #8 that I may use to help my scarecrow keep the Baltimore fans outta my garden.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Meh… It’s like that ex you just fought too damn much with.

          • kon, for now

            Just take your shit and go. Matter of fact, here…I’ll pack it and carry it out for you.

  • SCamp
    • Kelly

      LOL

      • SCamp

        Just one of the funniest stand up performances ever. So deadpan

        • Kelly

          Oh yeah, he’s brilliant. He did someone’s comedy club roast and just got up there with notecards and told the lamest jokes he could imagine. I don’t remember whose roast it was, but he was absolutely slaying the comedians on stage. The audience wasn’t as appreciative.

  • Kelly

    http://www.cc.com/video-clips/ln0y1z/stand-up-norm-macdonald–cliff-diving

    Edit: Super young Norm doing the cliff diving bit

  • kon, for now
  • SCamp
    • Kelly

      Love Norm

      • SCamp

        Those Adam Sandler CD skits were so damn funny back in the day.

        I saw Norm do some stand up back in the day and he was one of the funniest bastards I had ever seen.

        • Kelly

          First time I saw him on TV he was doing a standup routine about how cliff diving competitions end up with one grand champion accepting the medal, and then instead of any runner-ups there was just a bunch of stuff on a rock.

          • SCamp

            That’s the one… I got my family in a dufflebag… one for you

  • SCamp
  • SCamp
  • Kelly

    On the plus side, Scherff and Allen were excellent draft picks, so I’m looking forward to that #13.

    • SCamp

      Gotta hit on those first rounders.

      Side eyeing you Doctson

      • Kelly

        I’m not down on Doctson yet. Not saying you are, but a lot of folks here are. I think he’s about where he should be given his first year injury. I am not going to expect Allen to play like a second-year pro next year, either.

        • SCamp

          You don’t HAVE to be down on him yet… but he has not produced to a round one pedigree in 2 years… simple as that

          Not even a third round pedigree at this point

          • Kelly

            I thought he was fine this year.

          • SCamp

            Fine is what you expect from Ryan Grant

          • Kelly

            I thought Grant was fine, too… but it took Grant like 3 years to get to fine. I think Josh got there faster, which is what I’d expect.

          • SCamp

            What round was Grant taken in?

          • Kelly

            was he even drafted?

          • Different_Cat

            Who’s buried in his tomb?

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Hoffa

          • kon, for now

            5th round

            The draft, sets an expectation. It’s not an indicator of performance.

          • SCamp

            …and the expectation is that a first rounder would perform MUCH better than a 5th rounder… and much sooner.

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          I’m not, I got in a fight with a 60 some year old DOD guy up here about him.

        • SCamp

          Shit, Allen played like second year pro THIS year.

          • Kelly

            Yeah he did.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Shereff was Scot. Allen was God. I’m sorry, I’m not helping.

      • Lbsand

        Even Bruce couldn’t screw up the Jon Allen pick. No brainer of the decade, he was a top five talent. There was a run on WR, QB, DB and boom.

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Ikr

        • SCamp

          The fans would have crucified him if he didn’t pull the trigger on that

          • Different_Cat

            I’d have been just as happy if he had taken Reuben Foster, tbh.

          • Lbsand

            ^ Fair enough.

          • Lbsand

            ^ I had the pitchforks and torches set up outside the garage. As he dropped, I got more and more anxious.

          • kon, for now

            The blog blew the hell up. Dudes were acting like we just got our cherry popped.

          • kon, for now

            And then that behind the scene video happened…

            no way to not get misty watching Allen land on his childhood team.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            I hate the delay on TV.

          • Kelly

            I was looking at a Chiefs blog to get their take on the Smith trade (they are ecstatic), and a similar reaction was had when they drafted mahomes

          • SCamp

            I have a neighbor that is a Chiefs fan… he’s happy to get Fuller. Was fine with Alex leaving

          • Kelly

            Yeah, that’s the sentiment I’ve been seeing. Also, they’re convinced that the Broncos are going to overpay to get Kirk Cousins. Among the convinced it’s split roughly 50-50 whether Cousins is someone they shouldn’t worry about or someone they don’t want in their division.

  • Kelly

    Watching Skins fans go through stages of grief.

    • Flounder

      Why would anyone be feeling grief?

    • SCamp

      I’m happy it’s over. Kirk was the best we’ve had in a long time… but he’s never going to put a team on his back and carry them over the finish line. And he’d just as soon fill his pockets then leave money for others. Buh… bye….

      • WHY3

        And, we ended up with a pretty good QB.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Yeah, about Fuller, not the chick.

    • Kelly

      That the spirit – we didn’t want or need Cousins, or Fuller or a third round pick. This is all for the best.

      • SCamp

        I wouldn’t go THAT far… but I sure as shit ain’t gonna cry over Fuller for Smith

        • Kelly

          Fuller & a 3rd round pick for Smith*.

          No need for anyone to cry over it – we’re probably going to get 2 years or so of pretty good play from the QB position.

          • SCamp

            We’ll get that third back next year… so Fuller for Smith

          • Kelly

            Fuller and a third for Smith. Getting the compensation pick next year would have happened no matter who we picked up to play QB – we lost a 3rd round pick in that trade.

          • SCamp

            So Fuller for Smith…

          • Kelly

            Dude…

          • SCamp

            Homie…

          • SCamp

            Buddy

          • SCamp

            Buddy, homie, DUUUUUUUDE

            (train wreck)

            Homie I told you we shoulda taken the bus

          • Flounder

            Yes and we can trade down to get the pick back it’s not hard.

          • Different_Cat

            You know you give up something when you trade down, right?

          • kon, for now

            Nuh uh!

            They’re magic! You just tap your heels and *-poof-* there’s a draft pick there.

      • WHY3

        We wanted Cousins, but he wasn’t signing here, so we went out and got his replacement.

        The 3rd rounder and Fuller are the price for doing that. Wish we could have kept Fuller, but that obviously wasn’t possible in order to get Smith.

        • Kelly

          No it was a good trade. Alex Smith was the only QB we could have gotten, so it made sense.

          • Flounder

            He was by far the best QB we could have gotten.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        You must have gotten up here late this morning.

        • SCamp

          There’s a certain dude up here earlier that needs a whole bottle of Xanax. To listen to him we just did the worst thing in football ever…

          • Kelly

            I missed out on that. Been a busy day with the baby today.

      • Flounder

        Cousins didn’t want to be here and Fuller had one good year he can be replaced and a 3rd round pick can be replaced easily. The only people upset are the ones that were Kirk groupies.

        • Kelly

          He was 22 Flounder, how many good years did you need from him?

          • SCamp

            …all of them

  • SCamp
  • kon, for now

    Wait. What’s with this guy?

    – 31 other GMs

  • Rick Deez

    I think Jay has some “pull” in this organization.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      I sure hope so.

    • WHY3

      He does at this point in his tenure. If he really saw Kirk as irreplaceable, they likely tag him again.

      • kon, for now

        Jay should have been the first dude over it already with that guy. Too much hassle, too much maintenance, too much bullcrap…not enough wins.

        • Flounder

          He was did you hear him talk he was ready to move on.

      • SCamp

        “He’s a 7-9 quarterback”

    • Flounder

      Galdi was saying he is the guy that has the most say with Bruce even more so than Doug Williams, I mean take that for what it’s worth I don’t think we will ever know if it’s true.

    • Flounder

      I will go out on a limb and say if Jay didn’t want Smith they wouldn’t have gotten Smith. Bruce is tied to Jay because he hired him so it’s to his benefit if jay gets what he wants and wins.

  • Rick Deez

    “Wait…this is NOT FAIR….I was gonna string you along until the night before the prom, break up with you and go with another dude!!!”-

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      MWAHAHAHA

  • Rick Deez

    Fans won’t see it, but the Redskins rebounded the best way they could. Had Kirk strung them along until March and chose someone else (which he would have), Smith would be gone. They went after who they wanted.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      I think most on here do. Twitter? Ain’t going there.

    • WHY3

      They made the best of a bad situation (mostly of their own doing).

      And of all the potentially available QBs–Smith, the three Minny QBs, McCarron or Dalton, Tyrod Taylor, etc.–Smith was probably the best option, though McCarron may have worked out well.

      And of course, they now don’t have to draft a QB.

      • Rick Deez

        Good point…if Gruden REALLY wanted McCarron, they would have had him.

  • Rick Deez

    “Wait, they dumped me first?”- Cousins

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Bingo, Rick gets it.

  • smokey

    “busted a nut”
    That cracked me up.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Probably not an accurate description, though, maybe “leaked alittle”?

  • kon, for now

    Holy crap…I’m actually optimistic about opening day. And we’re still no where near FA and the draft.

  • Flounder

    Denver offered a 2nd round pick and Talib for Smith so to think their all in on Cousins is short sighted.

    • Flounder

      Had the Redskins not gotten Smith he would have been traded to another team.

      • mike5790

        and then my guess is the Skins would be in the post-superbowl Nick Foles market

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Yuck. Sure is too bad about Fuller, lol.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      That’s one of two things. Division rival’s or Kendall Fuller has value, probably a combination of the two.

      • kon, for now

        Fuller.

        Was my 1st thought.

      • Flounder

        They already have a nut job at corner adding Talib would be trouble and expensive.

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Deflecting. So what you’re saying is, Fuller has more value to KC than Talib.

      • mike5790

        Smith wanted the LTD that Washington offered, either he had a no trade clause, or the Chiefs are incredibly nice

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          What did Denver offer?

          • mike5790

            the only deal that we sort of know about that I am aware is Cleveland, and they were not interested in signing Smith to that many years… more like a 1 year (maybe 2) rental

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            And if you’re John Elway…Of course the Redskins offered a good deal, it’s how we roll.

    • Lbsand

      Chiefs way to smart to take on Talib’s salary at his age. Fuller still on his rookie deal too.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        There’s that value thing again….

      • mike5790

        Denver is going to likely have to cut Talib to make room for a vet QB salary anyway, so he’s prob going to be offered along with any trade deal.

        They may try to offer him up to Washington, just to get this thing done before Free Agency, but I don’t think Kirk really wants to do that (but for the right deal, he might) and I don’t think Washington wants that contract

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Chiefs, Mike, the Kansas City Chiefs.

          • mike5790

            ?
            I was talking about Denver trying to trade with Washington and get a Cousins deal locked up before free agency

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Sand was talking about the Chiefs not wanting Talib, but hey, we can talk about the never gonna happen Kirk deal.

    • WHY3

      Kirk’s a FA and no team should really be all-in on him until he signs a deal.

      Elway’s smart and probably has plans A, B, C, and D lined up already.

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    I got a hunch that Kirk, though I’m sure he’s happy to get to FA, also feels rejected because the Skins went ahead and pulled the trigger. This is telling of the personality not normally projected to the public. We’re used to seeing him use his “telephone voice”. This is most commonly found in humans of the female persuasion. Just sayin’, ain’t none of my business….

    • Flounder

      Oh yeah he probably wanted them to be in on the bidding, so when he picked another team they would be without a good QB.

    • kon, for now

      A court is in session, a verdict is in
      No appeal on the docket today
      Just my own sin

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        The Lion roared in the darkness…

  • Lbsand

    I still think things really soured at some point between Kirk and the FO. We’ll never know and I don’t really care, glad we’ve moved on.

    • WHY3

      I think Jay wanted some finality to all this as well.

      • Lbsand

        And that’s the best reason of all to move on. It’s the last we want our HC to have to deal with.

      • kon, for now

        Good for Jay to be free of this crap.

        Whatshisface wasted his time most of all.

    • kon, for now

      They gave him his own little cubby to jam out to Creed to.

      I mean….they bent over backwards and then some for that guy. And what’d he do? Act like so what who cares every time he crapped the bed on the field.

      • Lbsand

        LOL. Did you not have your coffee this morning? You sure are fired up.

        • kon, for now

          That reminds me. It’s Kona Friday!

          • Lbsand

            Now your talkin’! My sister lives on the BI and send me magnificent bags of roasted beans from a little mom-n-mom grower there.

          • kon, for now

            So what are we talking in trade here?

            How about a monogram, forged steak brand? Maybe Texas sipping Whiskey? Rebecca’s Creek. Smoooooth stuff.

      • WHY3

        You’re focused to much on outcomes. Remember, Kirk was process-oriented (glad I won’t have to hear that again).

  • Different_Cat

    KC going on about how all he wants is to win is nauseating. Said it from the beginning: if all he REALLY wanted was to win he would have taken a good offer last year and gotten on with it. Now his most likely destinations are the Jets and Denver, and I don’t think either of those teams is better situated than we would have been if he signed here.

    • WHY3

      Denver has a terrible oline and that defense is falling apart. Plus, their HC seems to be in over his head. Good luck winning there, Kirk.

      • Lbsand

        I think Denver can turn it around pretty quick. Elway blew it by trading up and drafting Lynch and he’ll need to make some cap space, but it won’t be too painful.

        • WHY3

          The one thing they have going for them is that all teams in their division have lots of question marks.

          • Lbsand

            True dat. Chiefs are still solid, Mahomes is gonna be a good one me thinks.

          • WHY3

            I think he’ll be good as well. Will probably have some bumps his first year as a starter.

  • Lbsand

    Hell hath no fury like a hamster scorned. Goodbye Kirk, Hello and welcome Alex. Can’t wait for March.

    • Flounder

      Me neither February sucks.

      • Lbsand

        Yeah. Only good thing about February is pitchers and catchers reporting. And the game on Sunday, that’s always fun and a bit melancholic with the formal end to the season.

      • kon, for now

        But there’s Valentine’s Day to celebrate. What guy doesn’t love that?

  • Flounder

    Steve Bisciotti “certainly” thought about a coaching change
    Posted by Josh Alper on February 2, 2018, 2:19 PM EST

    Ravens owner Steve Bisciotti announced on Friday that 2018 will be General Manager Ozzie Newsome’s final year in that job and he said there was some thought given to having Newsome oversee a search for a new head coach before stepping down.

    Bisciotti said he “certainly” thought about replacing John Harbaugh after the Ravens missed the playoffs for the fourth time in the last five years. He said that he was proud of the way the team closed the year as they went 5-2 after the bye week to finish with a 9-7 record, but made it clear that he’s expecting a better outcome in 2018.

    “I’m not going to give a playoff [or] bust edict to you all or my coach,” Bisciotti said, via Jeff Zrebiec of the Baltimore Sun. “He’s under as much pressure than probably he’s ever been in his life. I expect him to keep his chin up … and make the most of the season.”

    Bisciotti rejected the idea that the franchise is at a “crossroad,” but it sounds like a new direction could be in the cards if another disappointing season coincides with the end of Newsome’s long run at the top of the personnel department.

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    The thing I noticed most about the MJ video (nevermind the words) was the change in Kirk’s tone and demeanor.

    • Flounder

      Yes because he finally knows he is going to become a FA wich is what he has always wanted, he probably busted a nut when he heard the news.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        There’s more than that.

    • mike5790

      he thought there was going to be a March 14th tea party at 5 PM where he was going to have like six teams’ bids to go through

      but most clubs want to wrap this up before FA

      and it is that, if there’s going to be anything, that still gives the Redskins a tiny chance of receiving some compensation for him

      • Flounder

        Their will be a couple teams that make him offers but it won’t be the love fest people are talking about.

        • mike5790

          if they get a good offer, the Eagles might take a team off that list by trading Foles

  • Josh RosenSquinns

    Colin Kapernick and RGIII looking back at the end of the 2012 season: WTF happened?

    • mike5790

      could have had Kaep and kept the pick and Fuller!!!

      FO failure!!!

      • Flounder

        LOL

  • kon, for now

    Reputation…in the toilet

  • Different_Cat

    Josh RosenSquinns btg • 12 minutes ago
    See my comment below. I think a lot of RGIII’s phoniness rubbed off on him when they had to share a room at camp. I blame RGIII for this debacle.
    ———–
    LOL

    Told y’all … you bet on the wrong horse. Spilled milk!

    • Flounder

      That’s wierd because didn’t he get the starting job?

  • btg

    The whole “oh poor me I found out on twitter about the trade” from KC grinds my gears

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      How about that sweater?

  • Rick Deez

    The more that comes out about the Smith trade, the more I like….NOW Kirk is saying Washington was an option, and Washington can win….blah, blah, blah…The team DID want to negotiate in good faith but Kirk wanted to wait a bit longer.

    We couldn’t

    • WHY3

      Kirk is full of it. Since the end of the season, I’ve gotten really tired of his routine. Yeah, he wants to win. And yeah, he’s just going to follow the lord’s plan.

      He just wanted to play somewhere else. That’s fine, but don’t give me all the mumbo-jumbo he’s been spouting. Glad this saga is over. And I don’t think he’ll ever take a team deep into the playoffs.

      • btg

        It’s not so much that he wants to play somewhere else
        He wants to wait until free agency find the BIGGEST offer and see if the redskins will match it

        While putting himself before the team

        Good and bye

      • Josh RosenSquinns

        Let me reiterate: He’s a two-face mercenary. I get it. I understand it. He beat the Redskins in the game. But as a Skins fan, I don’t have to like it.

    • Flounder

      He is full of shit he was never going to sign here he made that very clear with his actions. He even told the team he was not going to negotiate before FA’s. Let him go to his new team and hopefully he gets a great situation.

    • btg

      Bingo
      He’s in scramble mode now
      Comes across as phony to me

      • Josh RosenSquinns

        See my comment below. I think a lot of RGIII’s phoniness rubbed off on him when they had to share a room at camp. I blame RGIII for this debacle.

        • WHY3

          At least the debacle of the 2012 draft has finally come to an end.

          • Josh RosenSquinns

            Don’t worry, the Skins will find a new debacle to embroil themselves in. They always find a way.

          • WHY3

            True.

            At the very least, we have a very good QB next year and no contact issues. I’ve always liked Alex Smith and thought he got a raw deal in SF. Goes to KC and continues to win. Looking forward to seeing what he can do here with Jay.

          • btg

            Where I am also

        • btg

          I don’t know about that

          • Josh RosenSquinns

            RGIII is the root of all evil. It can all be traced back to him.

    • Steve Thomas

      All of this isn’t that complicated. Cousins ultimately wanted a 5 year deal. The Redskins never had any intention of giving it to him. The end.

      • WHY3

        I can understand their reluctance to dump out the Brinks truck for him for five years. With what, total guaranteed money of $100 mil? $110? More?

        • mike5790

          at that level, the guarantees wouldn’t become guaranteed until the X days after the league year… so once the team decided to keep him, he would be locked in (like a franchise tag, but usually its only a partial salary g) for that year.

      • Flounder

        BS why would cousins want a 5 year deal? The shorter the deal the better since NFL contracts aren’t guaranteed for years. The only part of a contract that is guaranteed is the signing bonus and then their are injury guarantees. The years of the contract are irrelevant and shorter years would get the player to FA’s faster. Kirk has said several times he likes playing on shorter contracts.

        • WHY3

          In the end, what matters the most with contracts is total guaranteed money.

          • Flounder

            Yes the years make no difference most guy never see year 4 or 5 of their contract they are only written as 4-5 years for cap purposes.

        • kon, for now

          Yep. He did say that he likes those one year deals.

          • WHY3

            Who wouldn’t like the deals he was getting!

          • kon, for now

            He said it was about the players. Like he’s some sort of player rep.

        • Flounder

          NFL contracts have no guaranteed money past 3 years, your either being cut after 3 or the contract gets renegotiated. Their written as 5 year deals so the signing bonus can be spread out over 5 years. Cousins wanted to be a FA that’s it nothing more nothing less he was never going to negotiate you know how I know because he in fact did not counter the offer he was made.

          • WHY3

            That and in an interview on 1067, I believe he essentially said that there wasn’t a a dollar amount the Redskins could have offered him last offseason that he would have accepted.

          • Steve Thomas

            I utterly don’t accept that. There’s ALWAYS a price.

          • Steve Thomas

            I know all about how contracts work, thanks. I’ve done nothing but study them and the salary cap for the last 3 seasons. Cousins very clearly wanted stability. A 5 year deal at what he viewed as his market price would’ve done it.

  • HTTRsince65
    • Josh RosenSquinns

      Florio flapping his you-know-what to stir the pot.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      blerpderp blubblubblub – Mike Florio

      • HTTRsince65

        i know, i know….but…

  • btg

    Fly me to the moon

    • mike5790

      I hear they’re selling tickets to Mars

      …one way…

  • btg

    Ok

    • mike5790

      …but…
      when I get excited the tattoo says “Oklahoma”

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Lol 10 points

        • mike5790

          I can picture the comedian, but I can’t remember his name. RIP

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            His said RIP, but when excited, Rip it up

          • mike5790

            might have been George Wallace.
            he’s still alive.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Maybe Albert Cordott is from Oklahoma?

  • btg

    Austin Corbett

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    Kelly, you taking I – 40?

  • btg

    Fly Eagles fly

    • btg

      Eagles win and I’ll sing every line of that song at work on Monday

      Make it my ringtone

      • mike5790

        we’re scanning for you MAC address at this moment

        • kon, for now

          doxing in progress…..

      • WHY3

        I think they’re going to win, but God I hope they don’t. Eagles fans are already annoying when their team sucks. I can’t imagine what they’ll be like if they win the SB.

        • mike5790

          the annoying thing COULD be that Patriot fan thinks Tom Brady is Michael Jordan

          • WHY3

            Most annoying fans:
            1) Dallas
            2) Philly
            3) Seattle
            4) Pittsburgh

            NE doesn’t make my list.

          • kon, for now

            Mine neither. But man am I over seeing the same damn team come out of the AFC year after year.

          • HTTRsince65

            Pittsburgh/Philly…both from Shitsylvania!

    • Zig-Zag_BC
      • btg

        Great graphics

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Gronk running, lol

  • Flounder

    alex35332 Team Captain • 17 minutes ago
    In 3 years, the Team Kirk folks will be mad because Kirk will probably have a good career in Denver or with the Jets, where ever. The Team RGIII Anti Kirk Team people will be mad too, because they will have been wrong about Kirk and won’t accept it. And Redskins fans will be mad because Dan Snyder isn’t dead.
    _________________________________________________________________________________________
    I’m team Redskins and I won’t give a shit wat Kirk does because he didn’t want to play here so it’s not like we would have had him anyway. Unless Kirk takes a team deep in the playoffs or to the SB he will be what he was here a good QB but not worth the money.

    • WHY3

      I have a feeling DEN, MIN, JAX, or whoever will be a bit surprised when Kirk lays an egg in a really important game for them.

    • alex35332

      “And Redskins fans will be mad because Dan Snyder isn’t dead.”

  • Kelly

    Anyone know the pot situation in MD?

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Drive South

      • Kelly

        ty

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Not sure, but I’ve heard nothing good about the Maryland DOC.

          • MJ45

            “Not sure, but I’ve heard nothing good about Maryland.” There, that’s better.

    • mike5790

      cast iron

      all that non-stick stuff is iffy

    • AustinSkin

      Despite still being recreationally illegal, possession of less than 10 grams of marijuana for personal use is a civil offence with a maximum fine of $100. However, if you have between 10 grams and 50 pounds of marijuana, it is a misdemeanor punishable by 1 year in jail and and/or up to $1,000 fine. For public use of marijuana, offenders can be charged a civil fine of up to $500.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Gravy

    • kon, for now

      On your way through, stop in Colorado for a couple days. Buy your limit and mail yourself several small packages. Use stealth.

      • Kelly

        I can already buy plenty here in CA

        • kon, for now

          Better prices in CO

          • Kelly

            True. I’m taking the southern route, though – better gas prices!

          • kon, for now

            Heck man, just getting out of Cali, you’re going to think all the prices are super low.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            40?

          • kon, for now

            Albuquerque to Amarillo…..ugh

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Amarillo by mornin’…….. western Oklahoma, blackjack trees for miles and miles.

          • kon, for now

            I’d go around Oklahoma. But if ya don’t…fill up before the state line and lock cruise control on the speed limit. Don’t stop for nothing.

            And damn sure have current tags and a valid license.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            I’m fixin’ to tell Kelly about that.

        • HTTRsince65

          reason enough to stay away from ‘Merlin’!

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Mail it to flounders house.

    • Kelly

      Oh good news – apparently medical marijuana is now legit in MD.

      • mike5790

        I mean, pragmatically, if you’re suspected of an un-related Federal crime, better be squeaky clean with the weed.

        • Kelly

          Good news for me is that nobody suspects, that I’ve noticed.

    • alex35332

      If you need a good lawyer at some point for it, I got a guy.
      But you know someone in DC where laws are a FFA

  • SCamp

    Alright kids… I have to do some painting to start getting this house ready for the market. Later…

  • alex35332

    In 3 years, the Team Kirk folks will be mad because Kirk will probably have a good career in Denver or with the Jets, where ever. The Team RGIII Anti Kirk Team people will be mad too, because they will have been wrong about Kirk and won’t accept it. And Redskins fans will be mad because Dan Snyder isn’t dead.

    • Josh RosenSquinns

      Summary: Redskins fans continue to be mad.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Minus the Ostrich Clan, a local fringe group.

  • AustinSkin

    #Ravens owner Steve Bisciotti announces at a press conference that legendary GM Ozzie Newsome will step down next year and Eric DeCosta will take over.

    • kon, for now

      Drats

      • AustinSkin

        Damn good GM.. At least he was, back in the day.

        • kon, for now

          What I was saying was…

          It’s too bad that we can’t get Decosta in the FO

          • Kelly

            That organization knows how to train and retain.

  • Lbsand

    Would you consider FT’ing Zach Brown now?

    • MJ45

      Cost?

      • Lbsand

        Sorry, TT.

      • MJ45

        14 mill

    • Lbsand

      Sorry! I meant Transition Tag, I would not FT.

      • MJ45

        11.92 mil

        • Lbsand

          But right of first refusal if/when he gets a contract offer.

          • Lbsand

            Assuming he doesn’t sign it right away of course.

    • Steve Thomas

      No. He’s definitely a guy the Redskins should try and keep, but he isn’t a net positive in pass coverage.

      • Kelly

        Our pass coverage will be taken care of by our legions of rising young cornerbacks. I wouldn’t worry about pass coverage.

        • Steve Thomas

          I’d worry about TEs running free down the seam, which is normally a LB duty to cover, not a CB. So, yeah.

          • Kelly

            I’m pulling your chain 🙂

    • MJ45

      What is he wanting per year? I thought I read 10 mil a year.

      • SCamp

        His linebacker buddy on Twitter claims he never asked for $10 mil per

  • Kelly

    People getting awfully salty toward Kirk.

    • SCamp

      Weird… he beat the Skins at their own game. Nothing to be angry at… teams are rarely loyal to their players (especially this team). Why should he be any different?

    • alex35332

      It’s a coping mechanism.

    • Steve Thomas

      We’re going to be hearing about Cousins for years, just like we still hear about RG3 sometimes…the Team Kirk crowd will forever be mad.

      • mike5790

        if he were to go to Cleveland and bring them a championship he’s be Lebron James x 10

  • Lbsand

    Kirk didn’t want to be drafted here, that much is for sure.

    • btg

      I’m particularly sick of hearing that

      32 NFL teams were in agreement for the majority of four rounds worth of picks

      Talk about ungrateful

      • Lbsand

        Seems to me a lot of said teams were wrong about him too.

    • Big Buck64

      No he didn’t . What QB wants to be drafted behind a guy they a plan on turning the franchise over too ? Nobody . Fortunately for the Redskins , he bailed them out of an embarrassing situation regarding RG . Set some franchise records , couple of back to back winning seasons , provided some class and character to the position .

  • alex35332

    Kirk Cousins may be this era’s Sonny. Their careers to this point are very similar if you look at their stats and career arks.
    Both spent years on the bench, didn’t become the starter of their team till 27 years old, had 3 very productive years on their first team, and left because of conflicts with the front office. Both put up big QB numbers, but played for .500 football teams.

  • kon, for now

    So there it is. Been saying it for two seasons. He isn’t and doesn’t want to be a Redskin.

    He wasted the team’s and the fan’s time.

    Kick that guy to the curb and stop letting him take up and space in your head. Go cold on his ass.

    • Lbsand

      O well. Moved on, hope he finds what he;s looking for.

    • btg

      Pretty sure that they did just that

    • Kelly

      How did he waste the team’s time? The team decided to tag him.

      • kon, for now

        Gee Kell, I don’t know.

        Maybe if he had been up front from the start…we’d be two years closer and or into the next QB. You tag a guy to buy the time to get a LTD deal done. He was never going to do it. That’s called, wasting everyone’s time.

  • Flounder

    Their are still plenty of guys who love the team they play for and want to be there.

    • Different_Cat

      Su’a!

  • Flounder

    Kikr is gone good for him lets see how it works out for him I doubt he will ever be more then a good QB but maybe he will win a SB who knows. Time to move forward we have a new QB that wants to be here.

  • Different_Cat

    Kirk has obviously parlayed his 2 1/2 good seasons into a boatload of money, with another boat waiting to unload, but there’s another side to this thing. Maybe he doesn’t care about it, but there are real rewards for players who ingratiate themselves to the team and the fans. Guys like Theismann, Sonny, Doc Walker, BMitch, etc. have been embraced by the Washington community and essentially made second careers out of being “real” Redskins. KC won’t need the money, but I’m sure there are also emotional rewards to being so revered by the town in which you played.

    • mike5790

      I don’t think that (team star) motivates Kirk. He wants to be a NFL level star like Mr Brady

      • SCamp

        Kirk wants the cash

        • btg

          1,0000000000 times this

        • Flounder

          Yes he does always has.

        • mike5790

          Kirk has said he wants his prominence and his money to be used for good. and therefore, he wants football stardom and money for his ends. winning is part of being a star.

    • alex35332

      Sonny spent 1/2 his career in Philly, BMitch played there and NYC. Theismann played 2 years in the CFL before the NFL, Doc in Cinci.

      None of them spent their whole career in 1 city. Kirk will be embraced where he has success.

      • Different_Cat

        This is true, but they all had the BEST years here, and despite what they did before or after they always identified as Skins (except for BMitch who took a few years to get over his snit).

    • AustinSkin

      A lot of us pine for the days that football players were proud of the team they played for. They were lifelong Redskins, Cowboys, Jets, Dolphins, etc.

      The NFL no longer fosters that spirit. And the fans take the hit. That’s a reason why I won’t by the jersey of a current player.

      • mike5790

        Free Agency

      • Different_Cat

        It’s sure not like the good old days, but there are still players like that. Guys you just can’t imagine playing for any other team. On the Skins I’d say TWill and Kerrigan fit the mold.

      • kon, for now

        Still got lots of guys who stick with the team that drafted them and the cities that adopted them.

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    Didn’t seem as smitten and confident in that interview with Mike Jones (tubby)

  • kon, for now

    Team KSFTG…vindicated

  • SCamp

    Not sure why people are mad at Kirk. The Redskins created the game board… and Kirk beat them at their own game.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Not mad, he’s gone. KSFTG

      • SCamp

        I don’t know what that abbreviation means

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Kirk SchMirk, Fuck that Guy

          • SCamp

            Ah…

        • alex35332

          Keep Swinging Fists Till Groundhogs

        • Kelly

          Kelly Should Find The Gold

    • AustinSkin

      Not mad here. Time to move on.

      KSFTSOBL

      • AustinSkin

        F that Sumbitch Loser

    • alex35332

      It’s not mad, just facts. Personally I value the “process”, doing this the right way.
      Asking him if he wants to negotiate before making the trade for Smith, is the right way of doing things.

      • Steve Thomas

        You don’t ask him if he wants to negotiate; you just make him an offer, say to him, “we like you, we wish you were here, but this is it; take it or leave it; you have 48 hours.” He’d probably say no, which is fine.

        • Josh RosenSquinns

          Don’t think he was even interested in an offer. His goal the whole time has been to reach FA.

          • Steve Thomas

            I don’t agree. All he ever wanted was a market value contract. Now he’ll get one.

    • kon, for now

      He hurt his career more than he wasted our time.

      He lost.

      • Kelly

        LOL no he did not

        • Kelly

          He got super paid, put up huge stats and is about to cash in wherever he wants. How is that losing?

          • kon, for now

            It’s his reputation.

            That matters.

          • Kelly

            Riiiiight… the only people thinking about his reputation are sore-feelinged Redskins fans, though.

          • kon, for now

            Nah. FOs all around the league are. Players too.

          • Kelly

            I think you’re projecting.

          • kon, for now
        • SCamp

          Hurt it to the tune of $44 mil and a YUGE pending FA contract

        • kon, for now

          Yes he did.

          He’s the next Carson Palmer

          Sure, someone will sign him. But now everyone knows he’s not a team guy.

      • Lbsand

        Shirley you’re not serious.

    • Different_Cat

      Gotta admit, I am kinda mad. And I know it’s not rational, because teams act this way every single day. Probably should admire him for beating them at their own game.

    • Flounder

      Not mad at Kirk just think he was never going to negotiate and FA’s is what he wanted. Hope he gets what he wants but time for us to move on.

      • SCamp

        Watch the Mike Jones interview…

        • Flounder

          Why does kirk try and say he wanted to be a redskins because if so he never showed that.

          • SCamp

            Kirk plays the game… simple as that

  • alex35332

    Ozzie Newsom stepping down in Hon’town after the next season

    • Lbsand

      Huh. He’s been at it for a long time though.

      • alex35332

        Yes he has. Lot of success there too. Can’t knock him for it.

    • King Kerry

      HoF’er as a player, should be HoF’er as a GM…that’s a pretty good run.

  • MJ45

    What would happen if we transition tagged Cousins?

    • Lbsand

      The sun would rise in the west, and I’d be proven wrong again.

    • SCamp

      We could very easily get stuck with a $28 mil QB

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        That wears sky-blue sweaters.

      • mike5790

        I don’t think it would serve any purpose other than his 1st year salary being prob a bigger cap hit on his LTD in Denver

        • SCamp

          Why would he do that? He’d insist on going to free agency again next year.

          • mike5790

            transition tag is like, prob within $1 mil of his market value, so it doesn’t serve as much deterrent to another team matching, and it gives the team no trade leverage because of that

            and yes, the downside risk is that they pay $52 mil to the QBs

          • SCamp

            I bet he get’s $30 mil per… which is over paying

          • mike5790

            28.5 max if it’s like Stafford/Luck structure; but if it IS $30 mil that contract prob has a lot of fake crazy stuff in it in the last two years

    • Different_Cat
    • alex35332

      We wouldn’t be able to sign another FA to our roster if we tried that.

      • mike5790

        initially, yep
        it makes no sense, doesn’t give the team trade leverage, it would just be annoying to everyone involved

    • MJ45

      Just looking for some way to make it more difficult for him.

      • SCamp

        Why? Spite is no way to go through negotiations/Free agency

        • Lbsand

          Exactly. Goodbye and good luck, Kirk.

          • AustinSkin

            KSFTMFSOBAL

    • Steve Thomas

      What would happen is that the Redskins would instantly obligate $28.8M of their salary cap, which would be the bonehead move of all time.

  • SCamp

    Kirk told Mike Jones in an interview on Facebook live that the Redskins DID reach out to him and told him they wanted him and he told the Skins he intended to let this go to March.

    https://www.facebook.com/usatodaysports/videos/1825692834129537/

    • MJ45

      Good thing we went out and got the best stop gap QB available.

    • btg

      Bye Kirk

      It’s not about the money unless it’s about the money

    • Different_Cat

      I heard him in another interview where he said the Redskins had NOT opened negotiations with him.

      • SCamp

        He refused to negotiate…

        • btg

          Hope he’s a Jet by next season
          And gets Molly Whopped every game

          • Different_Cat

            Browns, baby!

          • SCamp

            I don’t hold any ill will against the guy… it’s a business, and he’s playing the game very well.

      • Josh RosenSquinns

        So which time was he lying?

        • SCamp

          He’s not… what he meant was is that the Redskins told him they wanted him and he said “Not so fast…” Can’t negotiate with someone how refuses to negotiate. He’s a word parser

          • Josh RosenSquinns

            Seems to me that the Redskins reaching out and telling you that they want you is a way of opening up negotiations (which, he promptly shut down). Semantics, I guess.

            Either way, fuck that guy.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      He’s shaken, I can smell it.

  • alex35332

    I watch way to much TV. 24 was such hot garbage that they should have never made Legacy. A-Team is just fun and campy. Wonder Years & Family Guy were ahead of their time in their respective genres.

  • Steve Thomas

    Fun fact – I’ve never seen seen one single moment of a broadcast of either Family Guy or The Wonder Years.

    • AustinSkin

      I watched a few episodes of GOT to see what the fuss was all about, but it didn’t hold my interest.

      • kon, for now

        A few episodes in, there’s no payoff. The show is a slow cook.

    • Different_Cat

      I’ve probably seen a total of 10 minutes.

    • Kelly

      So you never got any of Robbie’s Family Guy impressions haha

    • Josh RosenSquinns

      Loved the Wonder Years growing up. Watched about ten minutes of the Family Guy.

  • Rick Deez

    B.A. Baracus
    Murdock
    Face
    Hannibal

  • Rick Deez

    Tom Dapp

    @tdapp22
    11m11 minutes ago
    More Tom Dapp Retweeted Mike Jones
    So unlike all the reports, the #Redskins DID reach out to Kirk after the season and wanted a fair negotiation. Kirk reiterated that he wanted to test the market. I’m going to miss him. But I don’t want a QB that doesn’t want to be a Redskin. Very sad. Time to move on. #HTTR

    • btg

      Truth

      Love the laundry

      Not guys holding the team hostage

    • HTTRsince65

      How do we KNOW this?

    • SCamp

      Fuck this guy

    • alex35332

      If that’s true than I have 0 problems with the moves we made. As long as they tried to reach out to Kirk first, then they did the right thing. And I told you all that this would come out eventually, if they talked to his side or not, it would get leaked.

      • btg

        Like this move even more
        He wants us to wait until he’s ready to make a decision
        Team first

        • alex35332

          Exactly. Can’t expect that to work for any employer

      • SCamp

        If this is true?

        Kirk told Mike Jones in an interview this very thing an hour ago… and it’s on video

        https://www.facebook.com/usatodaysports/videos/1825692834129537/

        • Josh RosenSquinns

          KC is full of shit.

  • Josh RosenSquinns

    @npi

    24.9% 2017 return on 401K.

    • btg

      Nice

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      You beat me by 1.65%

      • Josh RosenSquinns

        Nice!

  • SCamp

    How about instead of beep beep or oink oink we use

    RHEEEE RHEEEE!

    • HTTRsince65

      Inena
      Means, “Let’s go!” In Cherokee.

  • btg

    24 is the only one I have watched

    • SCamp

      You never watched the A Team?

      I may have to rethink my opinion of you

      • btg

        Here and there I did
        Nothing consistent

  • alex35332

    Not to tell others what to do. But if you don’t vote for Family Guy you’re a commie.

    • SCamp

      Isn’t the creator of Family Guy a commie?

      • alex35332

        Well technically the creator of everything up there was a commie from your POV.

        • SCamp

          Sure sure

    • Steve Thomas

      24 is the only answer.

  • Coach JS

    And I’m going Wonder Years, even though I loved the A Team as a 9 year old. But after a Skins victory, Winnie Cooper made for a perfect end to the evening.

    Weird but true fact: I have never watched more then 20 consecutive seconds of either 24 or Family Guy.

  • Coach JS

    Forced!