Welcome Mr. Smith

The Redskins make their big move of the offseason, trading for Alex Smith and signing him to a 4 year contract. Finally resolving the teams influx quarterback situation. We break down the trade, and fans reactions.

https://soundcloud.com/user-783456194/welcome-mr-smith

 

  • AustinSkin

    Texas Longhorns football could be interesting next year. The new head coach has done an amazing job of recruiting.

    In years past, the top High School prospects often signed with Oklahoma, Texas A&M or other SEC programs.

    This year, seven of the top 10 High School players in Texas have committed to the Longhorns, including the top 5, which are all defensive backs.

    In the article, Texas has the 3rd best recruiting class in the nation.

  • Steve Thomas
  • Big Buck64

    Hood is a workout fanatic . He’s strong as hell and he is relentless in the weight room. He’s a great rah rah type team guy . He sets a good example for young guys , doesn’t make waves. Problem is he obviously doesn’t make many plays . They’re going to have to let him go .

    • Big Buck64

      pretty much a liability on Sunday’s

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Has the infamous 1000yd stare…..

        • Big Buck64

          Make him an assistant strength coach or something if he’s that valuable in the weight room. He would probably be thrilled to have it , if I had to guess.

  • btg

    2012 – Fletcher Cox
    2014 – Marcus Smith
    2017 – Derek Barnett

    Philadelphia eagles first overall picks spent on the DL in the past five years

    We have JAllen

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Superbowl

      • btg

        Technically yes

        They can throw waves of rushers at the qb

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Consistently

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    Just looked at some photographs of an injury suffered here last night by one of our Mechanics that got his hand caught in a piece of equipment that is rotated with a hydraulic FloTorq. Severe lacerations to his hand and forearm, complete tear of his flexor digitorum tendon, no broken bones. Always de-energize and lockout equipment. The tendon looks like half a orange balled up on his forearm.

    • alex35332

      That sounds terrible, did he lose anything?

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Almost. They’ll reattach the tendon tomorrow morning, probably a loss of movement, nerve damage, ect. He’s a great guy, I’ve known him about 10 years. They got him working with some dumbass kids. Somebody had a valve shifted and turned on the hydraulics, it automatically rotated before he could get clear. Reportedly.

    • kon, for now

      Reads like meat and tendon were separated from the bone.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Pretty hard core photos.

  • AustinSkin

    I want waves of DL depth. Fresh horses that are almost as disruptive as the starters. Dontari Poe, Bennie Logan, Haloti Ngata, Star Lotulelei, and Sheldon Richardson are all FA’s among others. But I’m a little weary of signing FAs on the DL. Seems we always go cheap and get meh results.

    If Tomsula can coach ’em up, then I’d rather draft at DL.

    Da’Ron Payne
    Vita Vea
    Harrison Phillips
    DaShawn Hand
    Derrick Nnadi
    Poona Ford
    Maurice Hurst
    I know I’m missing some others.

    Pick two of them

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      #66HP
      DPain

    • AustinSkin

      Payne, Ioannidis, J. Allen
      Lanier II, POONA, AJ Francis

      Something like that…

    • mike5790

      depends on if they spend money to bring Brown back

      • AustinSkin

        Got a strong feeling they will sign Brown.

    • Different_Cat

      We’re probably going to be stuck with McGee and McClain this year. Got Ioannidis, Lanier, and Allen, add another 1st round talent plus another one? Yeah, that would be good.

      • alex35332

        Only guy I think we can cut and there’s a cap savings is Hood.

        • Different_Cat

          Cut Hood whatever it costs. lol

      • mike5790

        FA for the most part will again prob to shore up the roster enough where they have some flex in the draft

        not sure they can even do much at the WR1 in FA

      • frediefritz

        Yes i agree DC. That would be a lot of dead cap if we drop both Mc’s.

      • Different_Cat

        Forgot about Francis who was pretty decent.

      • alex35332

        If they can’t find a #1 they need to find a couple of guys who they can rely on way more than Pryor and Grant.

  • Different_Cat

    Mic drop

    32: R1P32 DL VITA VEA WASHINGTON
    43: R2P11 LB TREMAINE EDMUNDS VIRGINIA TECH
    44: R2P12 G ISAIAH WYNN GEORGIA
    96: R3P32 CB MIKE HUGHES UCF
    115: R4P13 RB RASHAAD PENNY SDSU
    151: R5P12 CB DUKE DAWSON FLORIDA
    191: R6P14 WR J’MON MOORE MISSOURI
    231: R7P13 OT ALEX CAPPA HUMBOLDT ST
    241: R7P23 WR JUSTIN WATSON PENN

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Nice 2nd round pick

      • Different_Cat

        Fantasy Land, but yeah.

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Don’t you love how things come to light as we approach the draft? Too bad the lottery is rigged and not an algorithm. Technically, it being rigged causes algorithms, though. We’d win all the time.

        • mike5790

          you can’t go to Humboldt State and still pass the pee test at the combine
          you go outside for some fresh air = contact high

          • Different_Cat

            Hmm, dilute sample?

          • alex35332

            Yeah, I know some people who grew up in Humboldt. It’s a great town to live in and make some quick seasonal cash.

          • mike5790

            @Humboldtgigolodotcom

  • Josh RosenSquinns

    @alex35332:disqus

    Kinda feel bad for Terrell Pryor because he works really hard at his craft. Problem is that he may just not have the actual talent…..

    • mike5790

      to be fair

      a 40 year old man that’s not in great shape that never deadlifted consistently ever can go into a gym and in six-nine months do two plates 4x after building up to it,
      maybe not as smoothly
      but I did just that last year

    • btg

      I can deadlift 225
      He’s turning into rg with these tweets about lifting

      • mike5790

        all at once, I don’t think a receiver prob needs to do more than that, but I also don’t think it’s particularly impressive for an athlete, though as smooth as he did it, to be fair (ignorning my post below) that’s clearly not an attempt by him at a max out. but that’s (max lift) also not a thing anymore for training.

  • Josh RosenSquinns

    noonefromtampa • 27 minutes ago
    our biggest draft reach in last 10 years was Matt Jones in the third when everyone had him as a 5th/6th round pick
    ___________________________

    And you and everyone else on the Blog crucified DC whenever he pointed this out…..

    • mike5790

      the biggest reach was probably RG3

      4th round talent

  • Flounder

    Your score is: 18671 (GRADE: B)

    Your Picks:
    Round 1 Pick 13: DaRon Payne, DT, Alabama (B)
    Round 2 Pick 22 (K.C.): Nick Chubb, RB, Georgia (B+)
    Round 3 Pick 14 (K.C.): Derrick Nnadi, DT, Florida State (A)
    Round 4 Pick 13: Tony Brown, CB, Alabama (A+)
    Round 5 Pick 12: Cedrick Wilson, WR, Boise State (A)
    Round 6 Pick 14: Jordan Akins, TE, Central Florida (A+)
    Round 7 Pick 13: Bryce Bobo, WR, Colorado (A+)
    Round 7 Pick 23: Cody OConnell, OG, Washington State (A+)

  • alex35332
    • alex35332

      Then this:

      Junior Galette‏Verified account @JovaisG
      3m3 minutes ago

      Junior Galette Retweeted Zach Brown
      But ur not even…..Nvm

      THEN THIS:

      Zach Brown‏Verified account @ZachBrown_55
      Replying to @JovaisG
      JR i know all lol

      • mike5790

        Jr, I know ALL, lol
        OR
        Jr, I know, all lol

        • alex35332

          I think it’s
          Jr/ I, know} all? lol

          • mike5790

            if “all” is an acronym, then spell it out for me

          • alex35332

            A Little Leprechaun
            Atomic Laser Lance
            Alex Likes Ladies
            Already Lost Luxembourg

      • btg

        Well well well

    • kon, for now

      HTTR4life@$10mPer

  • noonefromtampa

    not that America cares

    another CA school shooting

    Two students were shot inside a classroom Thursday morning at Sal Castro Middle School in Los Angeles, an official with the city schools police department said.

    A female student has been taken into custody, Sgt. Edward Bernal told CNN affiliate KTLA.

    • alex35332

      Horrible.

    • mike5790

      a female?

    • btg

      Who’s ever guns they were should be held for the same amount of time as the shooter

  • alex35332
  • noonefromtampa
    • alex35332

      Is it a suicide note by Mike Florio?

    • kon, for now

      Floating the cursor over that is all I need to see.

    • mike5790

      “analytics research, which found that the benefits of a fourth-down conversion usually outweigh the costs of failing on fourth down.”

      That knowledge is as old as dirt. I guess “Analytics” is that new buzzword that covers anything that involves data. Well, the problem with that is then this isn’t a new paradigm. Pop econ books published this stuff like a decade ago, which means even that new hotness side of it is much older than that (because books are published long after white papers and journal articles are published on the subject)

      Next they’re going to talk about how going for it instead of kicking a FG is usually a good decision too (because 3+3 is less than 7)

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Summary:
      “The reality is that Belichick “has expressed his disdain” for analytics not because Belichick doesn’t believe in analytics, but because Belichick doesn’t believe in letting the rest of the world in on the Patriots’ strategic thinking.”

    • mike5790

      “In the NFL draft, Belichick prefers trading down to trading up, and he particularly likes to trade a pick this year for a higher pick next year. That suggests that he’s studied the economic phenomenon of hyperbolic discounting, something football people don’t necessarily know a lot about but that a hedge fund guy like Adams understands.”

      That suggests someone learned a new buzzword. You’ve never ever had to study how to gamble other people’s money in order to understand value. It just takes patience.

  • alex35332

    LOL, a belligerent blowhard calling Grant and Danny just said “excuse me my teeth hurt so I got to keep my mouth closed while talking”

  • noonefromtampa

    EQUANIMEOUS ST. BROWN

    let me guess, he’s African-American?

    • alex35332

      He’s a 6’5″ WR so you can try and use that to figure it out.

      • noonefromtampa

        6’5″!! well I’m sure he is a very nice African-American gentleman with a wonderful Mom

        • alex35332

          I’m a sucker for big WR’s.

          • kon, for now

            You’ll be wanting to take that one back Alex

          • alex35332

            Eh. I’m secure.

          • btg

            Me too!!! – Michael Sam

          • AustinSkin

            Yikes, that’s NPI schtick

    • mike5790

      almost sounds like a horse
      “Equinemeous”

  • Coach JS

    Sorry for the ugly format.

    Fitzpatrick fell and I got a Hokie in the 7th. I felt all proud. So, yeah…. My first mocking mockery!!

    • Flounder

      Use first pick it’s better and gives grades.

      • alex35332

        My one issue, first-pick blocked by my office.

      • Coach JS

        First pick is blocky blocky at my workplace. Sucks.

      • Different_Cat

        Fanspeak gives you a lot more options if you fork over the few bucks for Pro.

    • Different_Cat

      Great 1st pick. I’d say Nnadi is a reach in the second.

      • Flounder

        Should be there in the 3rd.

      • Coach JS

        Couldn’t trade down. And I wanted some DLine.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      STROMAN

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      STROMAN

  • Coach JS

    13: R1P13
    S MINKAH FITZPATRICK
    ALABAMA
    44: R2P12
    DL DERRICK NNADI
    FLORIDA STATE
    115: R4P13
    LB LORENZO CARTER
    GEORGIA
    151: R5P12
    WR DEONTAY BURNETT
    USC
    191: R6P14
    RB BO SCARBROUGH
    ALABAMA
    231: R7P13
    DL ZAYCOVEN HENDERSON
    TEXAS A&M
    241: R7P23
    CB BRANDON FACYSON
    VIRGINIA TECH

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Switch Facyson with STROMAN.
      Love the first pick.

    • mike5790

      “this is Scarbrough Country”
      bleh

      • kon, for now

        With Willie Geist

        Not that I know anything about any of that

  • noonefromtampa

    does NPI know this?

    The maker of an internet-connected sex toy was accused in a federal lawsuit Wednesday of secretly gathering detailed data about its customers’ use of the product, including when and how long they use it.

    The lawsuit, filed in U.S. District Court in San Francisco, alleges that Lovense, a division of Hytto Ltd., based in Hong Kong, collects and records “highly intimate and sensitive data regarding consumers’ personal use” of Lush. Lush is a vibrator that users — or their partners operating remotely — control through a Bluetooth-enabled iPhone and Android phone using an app called Body Chat.

    • alex35332

      6 seconds… a new record.

      • noonefromtampa

        LMAO

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        You got there first!

        • alex35332

          Yep beat you by 9 second.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            My robot almost came…..

    • mike5790

      I assume that anonymous usage data is being secured by all apps everywhere and their connected devices, that’s why they’re so cheap, the data

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      15 seconds of data……

  • noonefromtampa

    Disgraced gymnastics doctor Larry Nassar’s lawyer said Thursday that “a huge part” of her does not believe everyone who testified against him was molested.

    and this one reason why people think lawyers are the worst people on the face of the earth [nothing personal to our wonderful peep lawyers]

    • Different_Cat

      Stockholm Syndrome.

    • mike5790

      she’s probably right
      but then… just go away… leave this alone…

      • Different_Cat

        He really only molested like 237 girls — not 256!!

    • kon, for now

      Because that’s so much better than girls who were molested? Even just one?

      Fuck sake.

  • kon, for now

    I remembered this wrong. But here it is…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3KlMSnsaMg

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      That’s not a fucking Wilderbeast.

      • kon, for now

        Like I said…..

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          NANANANANANANANANANANANA

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Honestly, the meerkat is Suzy Cravens, the Giraffe, Mia “the tongue”

          • kon, for now

            She nah-stay

            Weird titties too

  • noonefromtampa

    our biggest draft reach in last 10 years was Matt Jones in the third when everyone had him as a 5th/6th round pick

  • alex35332

    YOUR PICKS
    1: R1P13 DL VITA VEA WASHINGTON
    2: R2P12 RB SONY MICHEL GEORGIA
    3: R4P13 WR EQUANIMEOUS ST. BROWN NOTRE DAME
    4: R5P12 G WILL CLAPP LSU
    5: R6P14 LB OREN BURKS VANDERBILT
    6: R7P13 LB DARIUS LEONARD SOUTH CAROLINA STATE
    7: R7P23 QB QUINTON FLOWERS SOUTH FLORIDA

    If that’s our first 2 picks I’d say the draft is a big win.

  • Kelly

    Post-draft Hamsters:

    “We totally reached by drafting [name of player] at #13… you could get him in the 2nd round on all the mock draft sites, sometimes 3rd.”

    • Different_Cat

      That’s my line!

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      We totally reached on Ryan Anderson

      • Kelly

        I think with Anderson, we spent a 2nd round pick on a position that we already had 1 great and 3 decent guys at.

        • mike5790

          they got happy with the def pick

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            You’ll run out of sugar, eventually.

        • alex35332

          I think they want to just keep drafting rushers for that 2nd spot rather than a big payday opposite Kerrigan.

      • Different_Cat

        BA with the orangutan arms.

      • mike5790

        As it turns out, but when they drafted him, he was supposed to be an alpha dog type leader; but for that to work, your play has to be good enough… to play

    • kon, for now

      A++ in the 4th!

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Shultz

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    If Bill Belichick steals my guy two years in a row……. I’ma burn that mthfkr down.

    • Different_Cat

      Poona?

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Lol

        • kon, for now

          With the 32nd pick…..

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            STOP IT! NANANANANANANANANANANANA!

  • kon, for now

    When you got interior oline guys that dominate their position…don’t risk them slipping out of the 1st. Grab’em up. Sure, you’re going to miss out on whomever the hell, but, you’re getting a 10 year starter.

    • HTTRsince65

      Football 101

  • Coach JS

    I will be thrilled if they take Nelson or Vea. Build the lines.

    Even more so if they move back and do it.

  • Different_Cat

    I think we could move back as far as 17 and be reasonably assured of getting one of the top 3 DTs. If you get into the 20s there’s a risk that they’ll all be gone, but you’d still be able to take a Harrison Phillips or Taven Bryan.

    • kon, for now

      Arizona at 15, might be the one team behind us looking to move up. But to 13?

      • Different_Cat

        One trade I get offered a lot on Fanspeak is our 13 for Buffalo’s 21 and 22. I’d take that in a hot minute.

        • kon, for now

          Well hell, if they’re that anxious…

          what else they got to offer?

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Chargers and Atlanta….

  • Coach JS

    I see a lot of folks, Wapo included, saying how Smith is a better runner than Kirk, but can we expect that to continue into the future as he ages?

    Brunell was a great scrambler early in career, but by the time he got to DC, not so much.

    • kon, for now

      He’ll be fine. Will still be running like a gazelle in his 40s.

      – Hamsters

      • Flounder

        He wont be here in his 40’s.

        • Kelly

          He’ll still be running, though. That guy just likes to get places fast.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        I’d rather he run like a lion, or big ass dog, something alittle tougher….

        • kon, for now

          Gazelles top out at 60 mph

          I’ll take escapability over tougher

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Until…….

          • kon, for now

            That’s what big blocking water buffalo are for.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            We have a few confused Wilderbeasts mixed in there, though.

          • kon, for now

            Like that one fella that fell in love with that lady giraffe?

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            He’s a meerkat

    • Flounder

      Yes

    • Flounder

      Age never slowed Steve Young down from running.

      • Kelly

        The guys landing on QBs are a lot bigger now, though.

        • Coach JS

          Never slowed down Darrell Green either. So, there’s that.

          I just don’t know that he’s going to be better than Kirk was as runner. About the same would be my guess.

          • Kelly

            I think we’ll see more running from Smith. Time will tell.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            (insert ridiculous strawman argument about Green/Fuller)

      • skinswest

        The hits to his head did though.

  • p1funk

    Well, dang. I’ve totally put off work I need to get to. Was just intending to set up an account for now. This place is going to be a black hole for me.

  • AustinSkin

    Round 1 Pick 13: Quenton Nelson, OG, Notre Dame (A)
    Round 2 Pick 16 (LAC): Harrison Phillips, DT, Stanford (B)
    Round 3 Pick 20 (LAC): Josey Jewell, ILB, Iowa (A)
    Round 4 Pick 13: Mike Gesicki, TE, Penn State (A+)
    Round 5 Pick 12: Poona Ford, DT, Texas (A)
    Round 6 Pick 14: Jordan Thomas, CB, Oklahoma (A+)
    Round 7 Pick 13: Kyle Lauletta, QB, Richmond (B-)
    Round 7 Pick 23: Richie James, WR, Middle Tennessee (A+)

  • Lbsand

    13 is a nice spot for someone to trade up to for a QB that slipped out of the top 12.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Or for Vita Vea 🙂

      • Flounder

        To high for him.

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Maybe, he’s hyped like a fresh set of Jordans

        • skinswest

          By 4-6 picks in most mocks – they show him going around 17. That puts 13 within a decent margin of error to take him.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            🙂

    • p1funk

      True

  • p1funk

    What you get with Alex Smith is a floor. At this point in his career, you know where his floor is and it is in a good spot. His ceiling may already be set, so you don’t get the dreamy promise of “what he could be” like you could get with a Nick Foles or a Case Keenum. But I’m fine paying for the floor, and put off chasing the dream for at least a few years…need a break from the drama of the RG3-Kirk era.

    • alex35332

      Everyone knows I’m big on building on guys floors, it’s how Rizzo’s fixed the Nats and I think it’s how every sports team should operate.

    • Flounder

      Case Keenum over achieved I doubt you get that again. Foles is a backup.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Right, I’m not “dreamy” about either one of those kids.

      • Kelly

        I think Foles can be a starter in the right system, but it’s getting a little late for him to find it.

  • Flounder

    This draft has a few top DT’s guys and by all accounts they will be available late teens to early 20’s. Trade back pickup another 2nd and still get Vea or Payne.

    • Kelly

      I like that.

    • Flounder

      Teams are more focused on edge guy then DT’s.

    • kon, for now

      By what accounts?

      Top 3 Dline picks will not be there in the 20s.

      • Flounder

        Payne and Vea will be there because they aren’t pass rushers and their will be a run on QB’s.

        • Kelly

          This is exactly it. We don’t need to pick up another college DE/OLB type, we need run stuffers and space occupiers.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            What you need is Harrison Phillips.

        • Flounder

          Allen is better then both and was their at 18.

    • kon, for now

      At least though you’re talking about a getting a 2nd and not trading back for a mid to late 3rd.

      Which is still crazy talk btw.

      • Flounder

        You trade down in the first from 13 you will get a 2nd not a 3rd.

        • alex35332

          Depends on how far you trade down. If you are only going back 2 spots you probably won’t even get a 3rd. If you are trading to the 20s, you are probably right.

  • mike5790

    Would you have preferred a similar trade for Nick Foles? If no, is that primarily because it would mean trading with the Eagles? *Foles is 29… and… playing in the Superbowl. And also, not first rodeo in playoffs, FWIW.

    • Lbsand

      No.

      • Lbsand

        I really like Smith’s skills running boots and run/pass options.

        • Flounder

          Plus he is better at running to get first downs then Kirk.

        • Kelly

          Kirk was (is) a better runner than people give him credit for. Alex Smith has better escapability, though.

          • mike5790

            Kirk has enough athleticism to pick up a first down and move in the pocket, he’s not nearly as likely to rip off a 20 yard drive-saving run to get into winning FG range

          • Kelly

            Yes, that’s right

    • Steve Thomas

      I trust Smith more than Foles.

    • Kelly

      Smith isn’t worth what we gave up, and Foles is worth less than Smith, so… no.

    • Flounder

      No way

    • p1funk

      Foles career has been all over the place. Waaaaaaaay to unproven to sink 71 mill guaranteed into. Alex Smith is a proven commodity.

    • kon, for now

      Only if by similar you mean a straight up trade….Compton for Foles

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        It would have to be Foles and Peterson

        • Kelly

          I’d take that.

    • alex35332

      heck no.

    • mike5790

      for me, it’s the Eagles

      but the thing is, they’re probably going to get whatever it is they’re going to get for Foles anyway

      maybe the biggest drawback is that it’s easier to sunset Smith when (if?) you find a franchise QB, where Foles is another Cousins… I dunno… is HE… or isn’t HE a franchise…?

  • p1funk

    So…we still go QB in the first round?

    • Lbsand

      Nah. Unless Rosen falls to us, which he won’t.

    • alex35332

      I don’t see anyone falling to 13 worth it.

      • mike5790

        we would have to see what happens in FA and a possible Foles trade.

        could have like 3 less QB needy teams by the first hours of free agency

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Large gap between 1st rounder’s and the rest of the class.

        • alex35332

          i think there’s 4 really sure fire 1st round picks. Allen is falling like a rock.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Yeah, I actually saw him in round 2 yesterday.

      • Kelly

        Completely depends on what position gets a run on it early.

        • alex35332

          Obviously. But if Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield and Jackson are all gone, I don’t think anyone else is worth it at 13, and I don’t know if Jackson would have been a good fit.

          • Steve Thomas

            Jackson would have been a great fit, in my opinion, but it doesn’t matter now. They shouldn’t go QB in rd 1 or 2 this year.

          • alex35332

            I can still live with Rd 2 if they traded back and recoup a 3rd round pick in the 1st.

          • Steve Thomas

            They shouldn’t draft a QB in rd 2 either. They need to be thinking only a day 3 developmental guy this year. We have a good starter for the next couple years at least and a whole lot of other holes to fill.

    • Steve Thomas

      No.

    • p1funk

      Dline again? I’d be down with that.

      • Lbsand

        Bingo.

      • Steve Thomas

        DL or RB, IMO.

        • SCamp

          I’ve been saying this for about a month now… at least

        • mike5790

          I’d prob be willing to move back, but not too far if there were a handful of guys I really wanted, but with all the QB myopia, maybe you get another “Allen” fall to you and then, well, trading back may not make sense

      • Kelly

        DLine 1st round is never a bad idea.

        • p1funk

          DLINE Foreva!

          Unless we need to Fix Da’ Oline…then it’s OLINE FOREVA!

        • Flounder

          Agreed

      • kon, for now

        Dline 1st and 2nd. Then, pick up some weapons and protection for the QB.

  • Lbsand

    One of the best things about the trade was it wasn’t leaked until it there was agreement. Granted, it can’t become official until March but not a whisper about it until afterwards.

    • mike5790

      all the same, I think the speed of leakage caught the FO off guard, and because I don’t THINK they went into discussions thinking they were going to trade Fuller, it got to social media before they could talk with Fuller / Agent

    • Flounder

      By afterwards you mean the second it was done.

      • Lbsand

        As in the deal probably took a few days, we heard nothing until, yes, the second there was an agreement.

    • kon, for now

      The worst thing about it was…Fuller finding out on twitter.

      • Josh RosenSquinns

        True. That’s not cool. He was even positively responding to the trade (before he knew it was him).

      • mike5790

        I think that happens a lot now. If you think about it, you don’t tell a guy “hey, we might trade you tonight” because if you don’t, you don’t want him to know at all. because they prob really didn’t want to trade him.

      • Lbsand

        Yes, not cool.

      • Kelly

        Holy shit, he found out he was traded on Twitter??

        • Flounder

          Yeah because it got leaked before the Redskins could contact his agent. It happens.

          • Kelly

            The only people who could have leaked it were the Redskins and Chiefs FOs. Dick move by someone.

          • Flounder

            Yeah but those are the times we live in.

          • Kelly

            True

          • kon, for now

            The Chiefs leaked it to a local reporter. Within minutes, it blew up.

        • mike5790

          Same thing happened in the NBA

          • Flounder

            No it’s only the Redskins this happens to couldn’t be anyone else.

      • Flounder

        That is the way now things get leaked while their still happening,.

      • p1funk

        Fuller’s dumb for going to twitter in the first place. Twitter is stupid people’s way of putting their foot in their mouth in front of the whole world. It used to be that human beings would take some time to reflect, contemplate and see how a situation plays out before announcing their “reaction” to it. So if you’re not going to do that, then the blame is on you.

      • SCamp

        Blame his agent or Bruce… whomever you think was or wasn’t available…

        Oh, and the Chiefs for leaking it

        • Flounder

          Or the Chiefs for leaking it if they did, I mean who knows how this stuff gets out so fast but it always does.

        • Kelly

          It’s either the Redskins FO or the Chiefs FO. If you can’t get hold of either the player or his agent (and tell me an agent won’t answer a call from his client’s team 24×7), then you don’t leak it until you can tell the folks involved.

          • SCamp

            I don’t go round in the agent circles so the parenthetical part would be pure speculation on my part

          • Steve Thomas

            Agents can’t necessarily be available 24/7. Most agents are just attorneys with an agency on the side.

    • Josh RosenSquinns

      Didn’t want to catch Kirk Cousins jaggin off in celebration!

  • Back to the good ol daysBruce

    I wonder if this is Dougie Williams 1st Big transaction as Sr. VP of player personnel

    • Flounder

      Probably

    • kon, for now

      Flounder would know.

      He’s got the FO dialed in. If he says it, you can book it.

      That is, the opposite of it.

      • Flounder

        Well I doubt they did this without Williams but maybe they did.

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Shaken

          • Flounder

            Nope just stating the obvious it’s not that hard.

        • Flounder

          Somke people think Jay had no say in this so that tells you people will believe any crap they hear.

          • Kelly

            I’m sure if it turns out to be a bad trade that Allen had nothing to do with it.

    • p1funk

      It is. Feinstein wrote about it in WaPo.

  • alex35332

    If you’re into cool nerd stuff, this is one wild looking ship
    https://twitter.com/NASAEarth/status/959105169442025472

    • kon, for now

      Speaking of nerd stuff, and space ships…

      I knew going into the Last Jedi that people had complaints. Personally, none of that bothered me. It’s a good movie. But what did jump out and make me wonder how the hell it ended up in there, was when Vice-Admiral Holdo uttered ‘God speed’.

      Within seconds of ‘May the force be with you’ all of a sudden, God exists in the Star Wars universe. When did that happen?

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Bombs don’t drop in zero atmosphere. People don’t walk around in zero atmosphere.

        • kon, for now

          That big ass dreadnought class is so massive that has its own gravity field.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Bologna!

          • kon, for now

            Physics FTW!

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            No, Hollywood.

  • noonefromtampa

    p1funk in da house

    damn he found us

    • Lbsand

      Yeah, that f’n no account moe…

    • p1funk

      Blame Moe. He’s over at WaPo telling regs to come over here. But he won’t come himself because he’s an old fuddy duddy who can’t be bothered to change.

      • noonefromtampa

        he’s lurking over here reading the comments
        but won’t post “cause it will hurt his brand”

        • AustinSkin

          I was just about to say that.

  • AustinSkin

    Never been big on shopping at Whole Foods, but they have just introduced a new inventory control system designed to reduce spoilage, and it’s creating massive outages. Employee morale is in the dumps.

    I can guarantee you that if I walked into a Whole Foods and saw this, I would turn around and never come back:
    http://static3.businessinsider.com/image/5a5f844728eecc980d8b53ce-1200/dsqc02jxcaajkpc.jpg

    • alex35332

      I like to hit up Whole Foods for good beer.

      • kon, for now

        Surprisingly…

        Whole Paycheck has some damn competitive pricing on their beers. It’s not at all unusual for them to have the best price compared to other grocers in the area.

        • mike5790

          I don’t think I’ve ever seen a beer there that other grocers carry, so I don’t know how or what to compare it to

          I’ve had beer from them, it was decent, but it wasn’t great.

    • kon, for now

      Bad forecasting is all that it is. Probably a human error. Alexa will get it righted.

    • skinswest

      The issue hasn’t hit the one near me yet.

    • noonefromtampa

      WF implemented an new inventory management system which they call “order-to-shelf”
      the major goal was to reduce spoilage on perishable items which exceeded normal industry rates
      but the end result has been to cause inventory shortages across the entire store
      this changes predates the Amazon purchase of WF

      • p1funk

        I blame Bruce Allen

        • AustinSkin

          HarvestFest fail?

  • alex35332

    https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/2/1/16959392/chiefs-fans-thanking-alex-smith-in-a-unique-way
    Chiefs fans are giving money to Alex Smith’s charity to “thank him” for his time as their QB.
    Should we coordinate doing something for Kirka/Kurt?

    • p1funk

      Yeah, Kirk is walking away from here with what…48 mill from the last 2 years? Dude can donate to his own charity and cut me a check while he’s on his way out the door.

    • Josh RosenSquinns

      Kirk Schmirk, Fuck that guy!

    • kon, for now

      I tried to make a donation to Kirk’s charity, but it was intercepted.

      Ahwell

      • alex35332

        Maybe donate $7.09

        • kon, for now

          My agent tells me I should wait and see where the market goes.

      • p1funk

        My intention is to make a long term donation to Kirk’s charity. I mean, why wouldn’t I want to donate to Kirk’s charity? But I need to feel peace about it and see what the direction of the charity is first. And I’m also listening to the Lord and to my agent about it. And I would be foolish to not explore other options out there too. But the short answer is – Yes! Of course I want to donate to the charity!

  • p1funk

    Once Kirk signs his bazillion dollar FA contract and the Niners pay out the wahzoo to extend Garapolo, no one will be talking about 71 mill guaranteed for A.Smith; and it will mean even less as the salary cap jumps. He’s going to do just fine in Gruden’s system, and I’m looking forward to drafting and developing a younger guy and going into FA and the draft like a normal organization.

    • Flounder

      Nope and I bet only 50 or so of that 71 is fully guaranteed at signing the rest will be for injury gurantees.

      • p1funk

        Yeah. Will miss Fuller, but as good a year as he had, he’s still a bit of an unproven commodity, IMO. Never played much on the outside and one good year is hardly a cornerstone guarantee. Even so, I’d rather be on the hunt for a second/slot CB than a starting QB.

        • Flounder

          Yeah agreed he can be repalced.

    • mike5790

      I don’t know that Kirk doesn’t end out with the 9ers. Garropolo is a full free agent, just like Kirk, but Kirk has way more tape and experience.

      • p1funk

        Garapolo has way more tape and experience…with the Niners. Besides, they spent a 2nd on him and I’m sure they’re not going to jsut toss that aside.

        • mike5790

          I think that certainly will feel like a burden, but as of right now… now now… that’s a sunk cost. Gone.

          Both are free agents.

          it would be hilarious if Garropolo signs with the Patriots

        • mike5790

          In this case, since it is Kyle Shannahan, prob whichever Kyle likes more would be the choice. Unless one or the other QBs are way out of line with salary demands. the Niners are loaded.

      • Flounder

        No chance they will tag him.

        • Josh RosenSquinns

          Great idea! Works like a charm!

          -Redskins FO

          • Flounder

            You don’t give up a second for the guy for 4 weeks without knowing your keeping him.

          • p1funk

            Lynch already said their plan is to do a long term contract

          • Flounder

            Well of course but if they can’t they will tag him.

          • mike5790

            the Redskins have planned to do a LTD with Cousins for two years
            plans change

          • p1funk

            Obviously anything can change. But Garapollo played excellently in their system, they have a bazillion bucks to signs FAs, they need a cornerstone franchise QB, and Garapollo is 3 years younger than Kirk. It’s gonna happen

          • mike5790

            sure, I THINK that’s right
            but it ain’t done until the ink is on the paper
            and I WANT him to sign with the Patriots, just because
            it would be hilarious

          • Josh RosenSquinns

            Don’t be so sure!

            -Vinny

    • Steve Thomas

      My hope is that a full guarantee of $71M of $94M isn’t the real agreement, because that’s a massive guarantee percentage. Hopefully it really is just an injury guarantee.

      • mike5790

        that number would hint that the 3rd year of the extension (so, Year 4) is probably only g’d for injury maybe even year 2, meaning that it’s a defacto 3 year deal because of the dead cap

        then you trade him to Cleveland for a 3rd round pick after year 3

      • p1funk

        He’s coming here with about 14 mill already for 2018 season. I don’t know if that’s part of the 71. Really need to see details of the contract

  • Zig-Zag_BC
    • alex35332

      you can if you want. I’m not gonna put in the extra work.
      Drawing up the “Hamster Club” text in the feathers, took a lot of time.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Greg would stroke out.

      • kon, for now

        Extra work?

        It’s three clicks.

        • alex35332

          Soooo much work!

          • alex35332

            I could “strong arm” people into doing their own thing by making the default a pic of Dan Snyder

          • kon, for now

            Do it!

    • Josh RosenSquinns

      Can we add a Tomahawk?

    • alex35332

      I will say the Mohawk is cool, very well done.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        It’s free, take it……give it to Greg, he loves knuckleheads.

  • p1funk

    Don’t know what the react to Smith has been up here, but as I posted on WaPo; it’s a reasonable move.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      FYI, that’s Greg’s avatar…

      • alex35332

        lol, it’s the default.

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          sshhh!

          • Lbsand

            ‘Your hamster is a PUSSY!’

          • alex35332

            your still made I didn’t give it an angry face?

          • Lbsand

            ^ No, never was. I’m just being a richard.

      • p1funk

        It gave me this avatar automatically.

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          You’re much better than that.

          • p1funk

            I’m not really

    • Flounder

      Why are you posting on Wapo is the better question?

      • p1funk

        That was earlier before Moe informed me of the migration.

        • Flounder

          Got nice to have you here.

    • Flounder

      Nice to see you funk.

      • p1funk

        Yeah, nice to see that a new home was made outside of the evil empire of WaPo. I remember when there was an attempt to migrate over to CSN or something but that did not take. I guess it took the bold American move of colonizing a new part of the internet

        • Flounder

          Yeah Alex was able to create this for us.

    • Lbsand

      The mean up here is we’re glad the drama with Kirk is over; no one seems to love or hate the trade, some disappointment in losing Fuller; some discussion about a POSSIBLE comp pick for losing Kirk.

      • p1funk

        We definitely will get a 3rd round comp pick when Kirk signs somewhere, but it will be 2019 draft

        • Lbsand

          No, not defintiely funk. The comp system is fairly complex, it’s bassed on how many ‘Compensatory Free Agents’ a team loses vs. how many CFA’s they sign.

          • p1funk

            I see. Was just going with reports. I guess what they were saying is that is the best we can salvage at this point.

          • Lbsand

            Yes, that’s a good summary. The most we will get for Kirk is a comp 3rd in ’19, the least is nada.

    • kon, for now

      We can have fun here. Just, don’t take it too far.

      https://thumb-p2.xhcdn.com/000/105/776/182_1000.gif

      • Flounder

        You bastard now I want to see titties.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        See, what’d I tell ya? – Walter

      • Lbsand

        Where’d you dig up that photo of Kirk?

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          That was the girl that popped Kirk’s cherry back in Michigan.

          • alex35332

            Looks kinda like Rebecca Griffin

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Oh, the tangled webs we weave……..

      • p1funk

        Is that Andre Smith about to get ready to run his 40 at the draft?

      • alex35332

        https://i.imgur.com/inuiihr.gif
        Huge tracts of land.

    • Josh RosenSquinns

      P1, good to see you made it over here!

  • p1funk

    Moe, just let me know there was a migration from WaPo to here. Didn’t know hogsty had a comments sec now. I’m overseas so I’m on at odd hours. Way to go fellas!

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Welcome

    • Lbsand

      Zup funk, glad you’re here. This is a really good site, you’ll enjoy it.

    • Kelly

      Hey Funk, good to see you!

    • kon, for now

      Good on Moe

      • HTTRsince65

        that was classy of him he needs to get over himself and come join us over here though

    • alex35332

      I never thought I’d be the one to kill the Insider, but turns out I was.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        We did the hail Mary shots, you’re all set.

      • kon, for now

        Poacher

      • Lbsand

        ‘We can be heroes. Just for one day.’

      • p1funk

        Eh, RI destroys itself

      • Kelly

        The Insider died because WaPo abandoned it for over a week.

        • Kelly

          Also – I’m pretty sure they don’t care whether we’re there or not.

          • AustinSkin

            They probably were able to let their mods go.

          • walter_in_fallschurch

            “they don’t care”
            ——————-

            i think this is the key.

      • HTTRsince65

        it had to be done Alex, it’s in a much better place now not suffering any longer she had to be put down

  • Kelly

    Why would you take a second round pick when you can take a guy who has shown he has the skills AND get a third round pick?

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Check out this cool rabbit!

    • mike5790

      because if it was Cleveland’s pick it’s almost a 1st rounder?

      • mike5790

        I agree with your sentiment, but people understand that good players don’t always work out on new teams and aren’t the sure thing either

        • Kelly

          A 22yr old who just played lights out for a year at corner is way more sure a thing than an unchosen pick, though.

          • mike5790

            I think so, but I also think a lot of teams choose one of the first picks on Day 2 over that package.

            I mean forget Fuller. You are making a trade. Do you want a mid 3rd round pick and, if the fit is right, starting slot corner, or do you want a the chance to pick a starting lineman?

            But none of that mattered, because Smith must have had to agree to the trade, so he agreed to the trade that included the LTD. Cleveland wanted him as like a 1 year rental.

          • skinswest

            Granted he played well last year but his knee could be an issue down the road.

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    We got Squinns plugged back in yet? Maybe tie his shoelaces together so he doesn’t get too far away from the wall?

  • alex35332

    Twitter news: Browns offered one of their 2nd-round picks to the Chiefs for Alex Smith

    • Josh RosenSquinns

      Yesterday called. They want their news back.

      • alex35332

        All I saw yesterday was the Denver offer of a 2nd and a CB.

        • Josh RosenSquinns

          Pretty sure that Browns news was out yesterday. I remember it from yesterday.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Only on Tuesdays…….

          • mike5790

            the KC Star pretty much broke all the news for this, but some people prefer to cite secondary sources
            the Cleveland story was by a Cleveland reporter, so if it wasn’t ESPN, prob didn’t notice

    • kon, for now

      So the Chiefs are an upstanding, classy FO and didn’t send a guy who did right by them to the pit of misery.

      • walter_in_fallschurch

        or did they….?

        • kon, for now

          HA!

      • alex35332

        They don’t drink Bud out there. Boulevard Brewing is their beer of choice.

        • mike5790

          I’m going to guess Budweiser outsells ALL of Boulevard’s flavors by a fantastic margin

          • alex35332

            Outsells maybe, but that’s not how beer is measured.

    • Josh RosenSquinns

      #Browns offered #Chiefs one of their two 2nd round picks for Alex Smith, outbidding #Redskins https://t.co/LVyCUbtbrP— Mary Kay Cabot (@MaryKayCabot) January 31, 2018

      • alex35332

        OK then.

      • Josh RosenSquinns

        See date.

  • kon, for now

    Will Hernandez will not be there in the 20s.

    The pukes will take him at 19. Assuming he’s still on the board and not already selected by the 9rs.

    • mike5790

      3rd round pick, every time

      -First Pick

      • kon, for now

        He shined at the Senior Bowl and everyone is going to get a look at him at the combine.

        • mike5790

          I was kidding.

          But did that said 3rd round pick shine enough to move from the 3rd round prog to mid 1st round OG?

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Did Derek Rivers go from 7 to 3 last year? Yup.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Not

    • Different_Cat

      Doubt that, but he could go late in the 1st round. I’m afraid the Boys will take Vea.

      • kon, for now

        They need help on the Oline.

        He fits. And they know it.

  • alex35332

    Testing 1.2.3. Testing.
    I had a comment on Doug Williams plan it says is posted but didn’t seem to work.

    • alex35332

      The point was that I think Williams really values depth at QB rather than 1 superstar.

      • Kelly

        Ban check passed 😉

      • Josh RosenSquinns

        Honestly, that is stupid.

        • Josh RosenSquinns

          Great, lets get two backups instead of one solid starter!

          • alex35332

            Worked in 87

          • Josh RosenSquinns

            WAY different game.

          • mike5790

            meh, way different team

          • Josh RosenSquinns

            And if he’s still stuck in the 80’s football mindset, he should be shown the door right quick.

        • alex35332

          I think it’s more that they want to be a QB factory, and keep bringing in talent.

          • Josh RosenSquinns

            What the fudge is the point. More often than not, you need top quality QB play to get you there.

          • HTTRsince65

            unless you have a ferocious defense and great rushing attack and tremendous special teams play you have to have a very good quarterback in the NFL to win. if Doug Williams really did say that, that would be troubling.

          • Josh RosenSquinns

            Agree. See comment below.

          • alex35332

            It was something Doc told us when we had him on.

          • HTTRsince65

            And what makes Doug Williams think that this organization would be known as a quarterback Factory a good quarterback Factory

          • Josh RosenSquinns

            This whole concept is completely assinine.

    • Josh RosenSquinns

      A Quick F5 seems to do the trick.

  • Josh RosenSquinns

    OK. Every time I try to respond to someone else’s post, I get a message that there was an internal error. Then when I try to repost it, I get a message that “You have already made this comment.”

    Gonna refresh and see if I keep having this problem.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Buck! You’re up, buddy.

    • Josh RosenSquinns

      Working again after a refresh.

    • alex35332

      I’m having that issue too

    • kon, for now

      Same thing was happening to me. That’s why I went @@disqus_u40LDG46ue:disqus down there.

  • SCamp

    You can bank that the Redskins draft a QB this year… they seem to every year. Then we’ll HAVE the next Nate Sudfeld

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Next late round prostyle guy, from Winter Park Orlando, FL

  • kon, for now

    @@disqus_u40LDG46ue:disqus

    I’m more about the fact that he’s a short-term solution than anything. One with a big price.

    Still going to have to wait and see the deets on the contract, but damn….we’re looking at a $20m+ backup qb in year 3 and eating a shit-ton of dead money in year 4 and 5.

    • Josh RosenSquinns

      What is BC’s IQ?

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        One two

        • AustinSkin

          One

          – Lance

          • SCamp

            Oooohh… you and NPI are on the same wavelength.

            That’s his joke

          • AustinSkin

            Dammit all to hell. I forcefully retract that joke.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Owned

    • Josh RosenSquinns

      PRetty sure there will be little dead money in years four and five. Bruce is pretty good with the contracts.

    • mike5790

      the key is that the ONLY g’d number I’ve seen is for Injury

      that’s not “g’d at signing”

      and we’re counting unhatched chickens with “backup QB” in year 3

  • btg

    Better the OL and the running game will follow
    Nelson if he’s there at 13 or drop and get Hernandez in the 20s

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      All in for El Mauler in week one.

    • Steve Thomas

      We don’t have RBs who are good enough and we need to draft one.

  • Josh RosenSquinns

    Steve Thomas Team Captain alex35332 • 3 minutes ago
    They should draft the next Nate Sudfeld this year.
    ____________________

    That’s silly. They should draft the next Tom Brady.

    • Josh RosenSquinns

      Sorry for bringing it to the top, but it kept telling that I had already posted the comment (even after re-freshing).

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Poor mouse control, will get manhandled…

    • kon, for now

      wth?

      No.

      Too late for that. We’ve proposed to Smith and are already married to McCoy.

      Next year will be the year to get a rookie QB.

      • Josh RosenSquinns

        Kon, come back from the edge. First you wanted rid of KC. Now we get rid of him, and now you’re pissed about the price paid for his replacement.

    • walter_in_fallschurch

      the idea of “the next nate sudfeld” cracks me up.

      • SCamp

        Nate Sudfeld will never be a starter in this league.

        • alex35332

          No, when Steve and I talk about that, we are talking about a prospect you groom to be your number 2.

    • Kelly

      Then franchise tag him for 2-3 years after his rookie contract and watch him go somewhere else.

  • Josh RosenSquinns

    If I’m not mistaken, the Chiefs traded a third rounder in 2013 to SF for Alex Smith.

    His price has gone up….

    • kon, for now

      That’s what happens when you’ve got narrow eyes focused on that one good season instead of, you know, looking at his whole career.

      Meanwhile, the Chief’s FO is still fapping themselves silly and their fans are jumping up and down having a party over getting Fuller and a pick.

      • Kelly

        They did it right. Get your next QB in and under contract, then ship your old one off while he’s under contract and you can get compensation for him.

        The Redskins did not do it right, and haven’t for some time.

        • SCamp

          Decades…

        • kon, for now

          F-L-E-E-C-E-D

      • Josh RosenSquinns

        This was the best the Skins could do considering how badly they managed the KC situation the past few years.

        Maybe we overpaid a little, but didn’t have a good choice.

        • kon, for now

          We had a good choice. But didn’t take it.

        • mike5790

          the irony being that the Skins “mismanaged” the KC situation by being good businessmen and not overpaying for something that didn’t have a lot of certainty. and an athlete who did things a bit differently.

          did the Steelers mis-manage the Bell situation?

          • SCamp

            They overpaid Kirk with those tags…

          • mike5790

            Well, they paid a little more to avoid a longer commitment. The problem with the two tags were that neither side had to negotiate seriously prior to tagging because the tag was too close to the market rate that Kirk thought of himself, and he had played just well enough to want to see more. that changed this year. this year the FTY3 is too high and now, well… where Kirk wants to start and when didn’t work with the Skins plans for a QB.

      • mike5790

        unless their new QB sucks and they’re back to pre-Smith days of 5-6 wins

  • HTTRsince65

    Any Chiefs free agents on offense we’d like to try to get following Alex Smith?

  • alex35332

    Smith penciled in to start next 2 years, almost no matter what. Late in the draft this year, I’m drafting a kid who I want to develop to replace McCoy when his contract expires after next season. Next draft I’m looking for the replacement QB in the 1st or 2nd round.

    • Steve Thomas

      They should draft the next Nate Sudfeld this year.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Richmond Spider, or Chase Litton.

      • alex35332

        Exactly, only maybe someone with better mechanics.

    • SCamp

      I think this COULD be a good plan depending on who they see in next years draft. If a guy like Luke Falk is there in the 4th this year… you take him and start developing NOW.

      • alex35332

        There’s a few guys this draft you can do it with I think. I like Falk. If we can make some trades back to recoup a recently lost draft pick, I’d be okay even getting Rudolph in the 2nd round, he may be worth a gamble. But the more I watch of him the more I like Flowers, even though he’s a bit small.

      • mike5790

        he probably wouldn’t start until year 3, maybe that’s OK

  • noonefromtampa

    Also sources doesn’t think we will go for Brown at $10M/year
    expects us to take another run at Bennie Logan

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Well that is news.

    • Flounder

      Brown isn’t getting 10mil he was better last year and wasn’t injured and the best he got was a 1 year deal from us for like 2mil.

    • Big Buck64

      I don’t think anybody else would either .

    • kon, for now

      What’s the gap?

      $1 – 2 million?
      $2 – 3 million?

  • Josh RosenSquinns

    mike5790 AustinSkin • 25 minutes ago
    Smith has also had a knock that he’s a check down guy who is not going to try and gun it in there
    one outcome for that is the relatively low turnovers
    ___________

    This was true prior to last year. That’s why in fantasy, you never took a Chief’s WR – never any production. 2017, that changed. Not sure why, but it did.

    • Flounder

      That is also on Reid since his offense is built to get the ball out quickly you see once he gave up play calling they opened up the offense and Smith was throwing down field much more.

      • Kelly

        I wonder if any of the difference is due to Doug Pederson leaving.

  • noonefromtampa

    I saw some QGC posting last night are they a former regular or someone new

    seemed like mostly a dumbshit from their posts

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Was on TI as same.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      It’s like reading a telegraph.

  • kon, for now

    Older guys look fine. Look like they’ll keep on playing at a high level. Then BAM…they hit the wall.

    But okay. We got us a Tom Brady who’s going to be playing strong into his 40s.

    • Flounder

      We don;t need him to play until he is 40 because he will only be here 3 years at most.

      • mike5790

        and there is some possibility he might be 4-5 years and if he’s playing OK so be it
        but it prob means they wiffed on a draft QB

        • Flounder

          I doubt it but yeah.

    • kon, for now

      lol…formatting gone off the rails. Fixed it.

    • mike5790

      I doubt Tom Brady plays much longer
      there’s a big difference between being 33-34 and 40-41 for most people

  • noonefromtampa

    so according to sources the CB situation will go down something like this
    Norman at one spot
    Dunbar/Moreau to compete for other starting spot (Dunbar may win that)
    loser of above get tryout as slot CB
    expect team to sign an veteran CB (role player type guy)
    draft a CB

    that’s his analysis of situation

    • Steve Thomas

      Sounds remarkably like what we discussed in a certain podcast I heard about.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Draft Greg Stroman late.

    • Flounder

      Sounds odd since we have had FA’s or the draft yet.

  • Josh RosenSquinns

    Steve Thomas Team Captain Zig-Zag_BC • 10 minutes ago
    The Redskins need to bite the bullet and spend either a 1st or 2nd round pick on a top RB.
    ____________________

    Like I said yesterday. First Round: DL; Second Round: RB. That order; that priority.

    • Flounder

      If Jay will use the guy then I agree.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Cock the gun!

  • No Punt Intended

    First Mack Brown and now Kendall Fuller?

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo…………………………….____!

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      That’s all you got?

    • SCamp

      If the Redskins aren’t careful QGC will hang himself

  • noonefromtampa

    The key thing Jay is this job doesn’t ride solely on developing a brand new QB from scratch

  • walter_in_fallschurch

    so… who is going to be our qb in 2018? 2019? 2020? oh, that’s right – alex smith. it’s kinda nice just knowing that.

    • HTTRsince65

      Ikr

      -Jay

    • alex35332

      Well I don’t know about 2020.

      • mike5790

        he will still probably be on the team, as the whether he starts, that might hinge on whether or not they swung and missed on a draft QB

    • kon, for now

      Can’t even begin to project that far.

      • Flounder

        Sure you can you act like the guy is 50, he will be fine for the next 3 years.

        • kon, for now

          I’m gonna say it one more time…

          Eli was fine at 34. Hit the wall before 36. And is absolute garbage at 37.

          • Josh RosenSquinns

            My cheerios taste like urine!

          • No Punt Intended

            Sorry.

            – POTUS

          • Josh RosenSquinns

            Ha!

            On the bright side, he cared enough to comment!

          • Flounder

            Yeah well who is to say Smith is Eli plus Eli has an awful o-line and has for years.

  • SCamp

    For argumentative purposes… does anyone have any knowledge of who the draftable QB’s are coming out of college next year?

    • noonefromtampa

      yes

      • SCamp

        Sweet… argument over

      • noonefromtampa

        expect Eason, Stidham, Lock, Bentley to potentially be available

        • SCamp

          In 2 years that Georgia Rookie will be something

          • AustinSkin

            Don’t forget the Flyin’ Hawaiian from Bama

          • SCamp

            Small sample size from him but he looks good so far

        • mike5790

          Deondre Francios

    • Big Buck64

      QGC has all that info for ya

      • SCamp

        He knows how the good scouts evaluate. They compare junior years in college to sophomore years in the NFL

        • Josh RosenSquinns

          You know who we need? That gut who said something like “that’s when scouting became like second nature for me.” Forget that guy’s name, but the post was classic.

          • SCamp

            That was comedic genius… except he was serious.

          • walter_in_fallschurch

            i think that was vinny posing as a hamster.

          • alex35332

            Wasn’t that Talent Elevator?

          • SCamp

            No… TE was Beep… he never said that

          • alex35332

            I know TE became beep, I thought it was him.

          • Big Buck64

            Logic something or other .

          • Big Buck64

            It was that guy Logiquacious . Same dude that was gonna meet Flounder at Red Robin

          • SCamp

            Ah yes… the young boy

          • alex35332

            That is who it was!

          • Big Buck64

            Yeah , we just called him Logic . The irony .

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        I’d take an apple in the first.

      • SCamp

        Does QGC stand for Queer Guy Crew?

    • alex35332

      I’ve been saying I want Rypien as a development prospect out of Boise

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Since two years ago, lol

        • alex35332

          This would be year 2.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Since early last year!

          • alex35332

            3 years as a starter, going into Sr year next season
            30-10 record, 9,800 yards 62% comp%. 60 TD, 22 Int.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            I remember you talking about him since I got on TI.

      • walter_in_fallschurch

        doesn’t he have a brother or something who played for an nfl team? i forget which. he did well, as i recall.

  • kon, for now

    Maybe we draft our rookie QB next year.

    Where does that leave Gruden? That’s giving him just one season to groom and another season to pucker his ass and hope for the best.

  • kon, for now

    Smith is going to be spendy ass bridge for this organization.

    • No Punt Intended

      Not once the rest of the QB deals get done this off-season. He’s going to look like as much of a bargain as one could expect for a guy like Smith.

      • kon, for now

        He’s not all that though.

        • No Punt Intended

          In terms of what’s/who’s out there in FA and the draft and knowing Kirk was a goner, I give the Skins a high grade for stabilizing that position for multiple seasons with a dude who can help a team win on day 1.

        • SCamp

          Kirk ain’t worth $30 mil per…

        • Flounder

          He is better then anyone else we could have signed.

    • mike5790

      As it sits, his deal appears to be just under a 13.5% deal
      Staffords deal was 16%

      • kon, for now

        Franchise QB > Transition QB

        • Flounder

          Really what has Stafford ever won

        • SCamp

          Franchise QB that has never won anything… even with one of the best receivers… ever

        • mike5790

          right. 16% seems to be the upper rate for franchise QB, Carr was 15%

          • Flounder

            Stafford is not a franchise QB he hasn’t done jack.

        • Flounder

          That’s like saying Kirk is a franchise QB.

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    Though it helps a little, still doesn’t solve Jay’s running game woes.

    • HTTRsince65

      Or special teams, or defense

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Teams…….why was he not replaced?

        • No Punt Intended

          Needs to be relieved?

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Yeah, better

      • mike5790

        the defense will be fine, so long as not everyone not named Kerrigan doesn’t get hurt again; but there’s room for improvement there

        • SCamp

          Nope… without Fuller we are DOOMED!

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Did they stock?

          • HTTRsince65

            Not saying that, but he’s a really good db. We need another d-lineman and ILB and safety imo.

    • mike5790

      I can probably fix the running game
      1. slightly more practice
      2. use first round pick on a LT and move Twill to LG

      • SCamp

        What LT do you take at 13?

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Derp Flerpreich

        • mike5790

          there are prob only 2, maybe 3 first round OT
          the kid from OU or the kid from ND if they are there, if not, maybe change of plans
          wait
          TRADE Up!!! TRADE Up!!!
          I didn’t say it was the perfect plan.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            ..

      • MJ45

        Why not put Nsekhe at LT and move TW to LG?

        • No Punt Intended

          Pretty much everyone has posed that question at one time or another.

          • MJ45

            Ok, haven’t been on here much to see every post.

    • Steve Thomas

      The Redskins need to bite the bullet and spend either a 1st or 2nd round pick on a top RB.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        I’m kinda where you are with the Fuller thing, on that. We’ll see.

      • Kelly

        I don’t disagree, but we also need to upgrade the DL, replace a CB, find a QB of the future, possibly get an ILB and figure out the LG spot.

        • Steve Thomas

          They do need a new DL and should spend either a 1st or 2nd round pick on on

          CB isn’t that big of a need. It’s the one area on defense in which they have good depth. They should and no doubt will probably draft one somewhere, but it doesn’t need to be a priority.

          QB isn’t a priority this year. Spend a back of the draft pick on a developmental guy.

          ILB – yes, they need one.

          LG – sure, but not at the top of the draft again

          • alex35332

            We had depth at CB, you can argue at this point you’ve just got rid of that depth. They need to replace who we’ve lost.

          • Kelly

            I don’t think we’re as deep at CB as you believe. Norman needs to show he can return to form, Bree – if he does stay here – is a penalty machine. Fuller is gone. The rest are… well, the rest.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            The rest are, progressing.

          • Kelly

            Josh was getting torched all year.

          • Steve Thomas

            No he wasn’t. He had a couple bad games, right after he came back from injury.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            I think part of his diaphragm is no longer attached to his rib cage.

          • No Punt Intended

            You are either lying or ill-informed.

            Before injuries, Norman was balling at an elite level.

          • Kelly

            I think he played okay before the injury, and terrible after.

          • No Punt Intended

            So an All-Pro CB needs to prove himself to you after breaking ribs and coming back early?

            Without Fuller WE GO 0-16 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Steve Thomas

            Like I said, draft a CB. But it doesn’t need to be at the top of the draft.

      • alex35332

        I am more and more into Sony Michel if he’s there in the 2nd.

  • HTTRsince65
  • alex35332

    lol, it seems people at the Superbowl are mixing up B-mitch with Eddie George.

    • mike5790

      in 1995, lots of people mixed up Eddie George with Tommy Frazier

  • AustinSkin

    Just a gut feeling.

    Alex Smith plays to win games. Not afraid to throw in tight windows. Uses his legs if he must.
    Kirk plays to protect his stat line

    • mike5790

      Smith has also had a knock that he’s a check down guy who is not going to try and gun it in there
      one outcome for that is the relatively low turnovers

      • AustinSkin

        …on the flip side, he led the NFL in deep balls

        • Zig-Zag_BC
          • No Punt Intended

            Fred Smoot’s latest voyage?

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Blown right the fuck outta the water

          • walter_in_fallschurch

            i have a friend whose job it is to blow stuff up and then figure out what happened: all the stresses and weak points, etc….

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            We have a company down here that does that for the Navy. They use an old rock quarry.

      • mike5790

        he’s also had years where the offense has struggled in the red zone

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Alex appears not to surrender the booty when a pass rusher makes contact, also. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

  • SCamp

    19 Fourth Quarter Comebacks, 23 Game-Winning Drives

    That’s the stat for Alex Smith… can;t find the one for Kirk… anyone have any ideas?

    • alex35332
      • SCamp

        I looked there and couldn’t find it.

      • Kelly

        Next, compare the number of years as a starter. Kirk wins the average comebacks/game-winning drives per year by a landslide, I expect.

        • SCamp

          That was my goal… on it

          • SCamp

            So Smith has 156 games to Kirks 62. Smith has plated roughly 2.5 times as many games. He has roughly 2.5 as many 4th quarter comebacks.. so even there. Kirk is slightly better in game winning drives having a little more than half the number as Smith

          • walter_in_fallschurch

            i think if you put kirk on a good team, he will do really well.

          • alex35332

            I think if you put Kirk and Smith on a good team, they both would do really well. I think if you put them on bad teams they struggle.

          • alex35332

            it’s also worth factoring in that Kirk spent 3 years on the bench developing where Smith was groomed under fire.

    • No Punt Intended

      I remember the soul-crushing losses more than Kirk putting the team on his back in the 4th quarter and willing his team to victory.

      • SCamp

        That’s for sure.

      • walter_in_fallschurch

        so… you DON’T like that?

        • No Punt Intended

          Ooooo-weeeeee?

    • mike5790

      Cousins has played in way fewer games

  • No Punt Intended
  • noonefromtampa

    Better question would be

    last year how many wins would we have had with Alex Smith vs Kirk Cousins

    • noonefromtampa

      Cousins was 7 could Smith have gotten us to 8 or 9 wins?

      • HTTRsince65

        not unless he could tackle and be a good runningback

      • AustinSkin

        I think so. We would have beaten KC (lol)

    • Kelly

      Same number. Cousins wasn’t the problem.

      • btg

        Did you see the game against the Giants?

        • Kelly

          Yup. The whole team quit.

          • btg

            Three interceptions didn’t help

    • SCamp

      They are the same guy… one just happens to be older and less turnover prone

    • Steve Thomas

      The 2017 version of Alex Smith would’ve eaked out another win or two, I suspect.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Where I’m at.

      • alex35332

        It’s very close, very hard to say.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Alex Smith maybe has better touch than Kirk Cousins, yeah, I think he does.

      • SCamp

        Certainly a MUCH better placement on his long ball. Hits dudes in stride.

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Yup

        • Kelly

          Has receivers open deep, though. Kirk hit DJax deep all the time. A good receiver makes your throw look good.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            C’mon man, DJax corrected to a bunch of those throws.

          • walter_in_fallschurch

            i think djax can make a lot of qbs look good on deep throws. the guy adjusts like no one else.

          • SCamp

            D Jax had to stop and come back for the ball a lot

          • Kelly

            I don’t think there’s a significant difference between AS & KC in deep ball accuracy, but its ok to disagree

        • walter_in_fallschurch

          stop copying me, you guys!

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Shit…….you slow

    • alex35332

      This year, not sure, I don’t think anyone short of Aaron Rodgers/Tom Brady could have made a difference this year.

      • mike5790

        a running back who could get 1 yard on 4th down and that Saints game win makes the rest of the season different

        • alex35332

          Kirk Cousins throwing the ball away, or cutting up field, rather than scrambling towards the sideline for a 1st down, means Kirk never destroys Thompson’s knee vs the Saints and we are probably a 9-7 team.

    • mike5790

      last year was about the injuries on defense
      offensive line
      wish one could say WR, but Pryor was a huge disappointment

  • kon, for now

    With the current roster of offensive players, no additions in FA or the draft…

    How many wins in the NFC east do we get with Smith under center?
    How many wins in the NFC east do we get with McCoy under center?

    • SCamp

      10
      7

      • kon, for now

        Measure twice.

        Cut once.

        • No Punt Intended

          He’s clearly counting playoffs. Clever.

          • SCamp

            No… I’m saying with Alex starting we are 10-6
            with Colt starting we are 7-9

          • kon, for now

            That wasn’t the question.

            But okay.

          • SCamp

            That’s how I read it…

          • SCamp

            …and yes, I’m stupid… I read it as the NFL…

      • SCamp

        This is assuming the grim reaper doesn’t hit us in the knees as bad this season

        • No Punt Intended

          The Grim Reaper is a pussy.

          – Lis

    • No Punt Intended

      Smith: 5+
      Colt: 0

    • walter_in_fallschurch

      easily, 3 or more more with smith.

    • Flounder

      3
      o

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    Well at least Greg Google Moreau….

    • SCamp

      The Island of Dr. Moreau

      • No Punt Intended

        The sequel to Revis Island?

        • SCamp

          Hell, we’re comparing Fuller to Sherman and Talib so why not?

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Apples to apples?

          • SCamp

            How incredibly stupid can you be?

            ..and I just let him keep talking so everyone could see what I’ve been saying about that guy. Clueless

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Lol

  • mike5790

    Tanking a season(s) is THE way to go!

    -The Successful Colts, Browns, and Jets

    • kon, for now

      There’s tanking. And there’s shit teams and organizations.

    • Different_Cat

      Browns are going to shock some people in a few years. Watch.

      • SCamp

        They better… I’ve never seen a team with so many high draft picks look so awful. Where QB’s careers go to die.

        • noonefromtampa

          Where careers go to die

          fixed it for you

          • SCamp

            Football careers

        • Different_Cat

          What we all said about the Jags a few years ago….

          But if anyone can screw it up, it’s the Browns.

          • noonefromtampa

            Even the Jags were never bad as the Browns 10 year run they are on

            winning pct of 0.200

          • mike5790

            nobody should deny that coaching matters

      • Flounder

        Yeah I’m sure they have been saying that for 10 years now.

      • mike5790

        the Browns problem is that that doesn’t even work in the NBA very much where you can just go out and put together a really young talented team. Championship teams tend to have a good mix of young talent and veteran leadership, and that’s true across professional sports. guess why the Browns don’t have veteran leadership? who wants to play there?

        • mike5790

          the Wizards had that problem a couple of years ago

    • skinswest

      The Jets even screwed up tanking. Playing a lot better than many thought they would after jettisoning so many players.

  • btg

    Again why can’t FMoreau replace Fuller?

    Crazy talk I know

    • mike5790

      heck, why not Norman? with Moreau and Dunbar, even if Bree leaves

      • HTTRsince65

        Norman isn’t a slot corner, uh, no!

        • mike5790

          I know. He’s a FS. But whatever the best combo is. In the slot, he’d be pretty tough against the run too.

          • Flounder

            We also have this thing called the off season to find or draft another guy also.

    • Different_Cat

      Maybe he can, but we have no way of knowing right now.

    • HTTRsince65

      Maybe he can, who knows, point is, Fuller was top 3 in the league last year. Now we HAVE to replace him. Too much to give up imo for a lateral at best, qb move, except $’s saved.

      • Flounder

        It’s not a lateral QB move because our QB was Colt not Kurt who was not signing here.

        • HTTRsince65

          we weren’t paying his asking price so yes I see what you mean

          • Flounder

            No he was not signing here period no matter what we offered he wants to be a FA.

          • Flounder

            If you can’t see that then not sure I can help you.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Knucklehead

  • No Punt Intended

    Was chatting with an older dude at the bar yesterday about the trade. Man-of-few-words type of gent. “Ahhhhhh, Cousins was a pussy.” I laughed because I’d said that also. But then some other guy started trying to explain every single aspect and ramification of the trade and the older dude turned to him, nodded his head and held up his and and said sternly, “HE’S A PUSSY.”

    We all laughed. Conversation over. LOL

  • noonefromtampa

    my thought on trade after letting the dust settle

    Cousins was never going to re-sign with the Redskins
    Colt is a great backup QB, but not a starter
    a Rookie QB is going to have growing pains
    Having a proven QB allows the team to draft and develop a QB for the long term
    We got one stand up type player for another so that helps team chemistry

    • Flounder

      Yes and I know Fuller is going to be in the HOF and isn’t replaceable but I think we’ll manage to find another slot CB if he isn’t already on the roster.

      • Flounder

        Colt would have made it impossible to attract any FA’s.

        • Different_Cat

          How many big-name FAs have the Jags signed with Bortles at QB? A: a shit-ton.

          • Flounder

            Yeah and Bortles is 100 times better than Colt and durable.

          • Flounder

            How much did they have to over pay for those guys?

          • Different_Cat

            Well he’s durable, but he sucks.

          • Flounder

            Yes and they had to over pay for the FA’s they got which is why they have 10mil in cap space now.

          • Different_Cat

            The got to the AFC Championship Game, so I guess it’s working alright for them.

          • No Punt Intended

            So almost means you cannot improve at the QB position?

            Losing is working alright for them?

            Loser talk.

          • Flounder

            Yeah until they can’t afford them anymore and have to gut the team. It also means they can’t afford Cousisn.

          • Flounder

            If he sucks then Colt is whatever is a lot worse then sucks.

          • Josh RosenSquinns

            Not so sure about the “better” part. Definitely improved this year, but he was garbage for years.

        • kon, for now

          You’re the one that says players come for the money.

          • Flounder

            Not here anymore because we don’t do that.

      • alex35332

        I’ve loved Dunbar as a slot DB at times. Think his size and athletic ability is really good for the role. If Sua wasn’t a mess I’d like to see him there too.

      • noonefromtampa

        I listed 4 or 5 names last night of slot corners that are in this year’s draft

        • Flounder

          I have heard he is irreplaceable.

          • Different_Cat

            –Straw Man

          • Flounder

            Truth

          • Different_Cat

            Lie. No one has said that Fuller is irreplaceable.

          • Flounder

            Well it sure sounds like it with all the crying.

          • Different_Cat

            I know you refuse to acknowledge it, but he’s young, our draft pick, and one of the best CBs in the league. It’s a significant loss.

          • Flounder

            One year my friend and we have other young CB’s it’s not s significant loss.

          • Different_Cat

            You’re in denial. It’s expected.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Noone?

          • SCamp

            Some moron last night compared him to Sherman, Talib, and Butler

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Quality Gas Contractor?

          • Different_Cat

            It’s a small sample size, but there’s a good case to be made that he played better than all of those old guys last year.

          • No Punt Intended

            There is enough of a sample size to prove that you’re retarded.

          • SCamp

            One terrible year and one great year does not a perennial probowler make

          • No Punt Intended

            He’s Darrel Green…but BETTER!

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          WF

  • noonefromtampa

    The Insider should change their name to the Redskins Doom & Gloom Blog

    • No Punt Intended

      Bloggers Post In Darkness

    • Flounder

      I’m surprised they finally heard the news over their.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        own sobbing?

      • alex35332

        Well the new girl was at hot topic or something and herd some guys talking about it while shopping with their wives.

      • HTTRsince65

        there

        • Flounder

          Yeah I noticed that was wrong didn’t feel like changing it but glad you pointed it out.

        • kon, for now

          Now help Alex out down there ↓

          • HTTRsince65

            girls do travel in herds right?? 🙂

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          There own sobbing…..does not work. Don’t change a thing, flounder.

          • HTTRsince65

            lmwao

          • No Punt Intended

            racist

          • HTTRsince65

            Hilarious.

      • noonefromtampa

        I twitter shamed the new Redskins Editor for none of his team posting anything on twitter about the trade

        they had put a new article up about an hour after I broke the news here

        and he then sent out the link after I asked if they heard there was new Redskins news

        • Flounder

          LOL pathetic.

        • kon, for now

          Awesome trolling

          ★★★★★

    • No Punt Intended

      TI thread about the trade came yesterday at 5PM and they are up to a staggering 25 comments and half of those are by Moe including responses to his own posts.

      • Flounder

        LOL

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        William Faulkner……. the Sound and the Fury!

      • HTTRsince65

        Moe who?
        He’s dead to me now.

      • walter_in_fallschurch

        it that, or the fact that people go back and count TI posts, more pathetic? too close to call?

        • No Punt Intended

          I still read the post you idiot. So yeah, I noticed.

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Ooooooooo

  • noonefromtampa

    You guys really need to update the links on your landing page

  • Different_Cat

    My take on the trade after having slept on it:

    The pros–

    * Should keep the team somewhat competitive for the next 2-3 years; Smith vs Cousins is basically a wash. If we retain key FAs and are able to stay relatively healthy next year, we should be able to compete for a wild card spot. That would have less likely if we rolled with Colt, a rookie QB, or signed a lesser FA QB;

    * Puts an end to the formerly endless Kirk Cousins drama. Certainty at QB improves chances of landing/retaining FAs;

    The cons–

    * The team becomes older and less talented, overall. We’re giving up one of the best young CBs in the league and a 3rd round draft pick, which is a heavy price to pay to stay more or less even at QB;

    * The loss of Fuller makes it more difficult to part ways with Norman and his expensive contract. If the team feels it can’t move Norman, the added expense would offset the savings we gained by signing a somewhat cheaper QB;

    My Conclusion–

    I don’t like the move because I don’t see the team as being able to compete for championships in the two or three years Smith will likely man the QB spot. I would have preferred that we take our lumps over the next two or three years while we build the overall talent around the QB position, filling it with young players who have 5-10+ year windows.

    But I could be wrong. Maybe the team comes back healthy, adds good pieces in FA and the draft, and gels into a formidable unit.

    Time will tell.

    • No Punt Intended

      Makes zero sense.

      Even though I didn’t read it.

      Still, I am sure you make no sense.

    • Flounder

      Jay can’t afford to take lumps for the next few years or he wont be here.

      • Different_Cat

        That would be his problem.

        • alex35332

          Jay probably can afford it better than Bruce and Doug. But a 10+ Loss season next year and they are all gone.

    • alex35332

      Here’s the thing. And it’s very logical. Bruce, Doug and Jay, if they went in to next year with Colt as the starter, they wouldn’t be here in 2019.
      So what do you expect them to do, be cool with taking their lumps?

      • Flounder

        Yeah agreed

      • Different_Cat

        That’s a tough one. You would HOPE that this would discussed internally, and recognized as a rebuilding period, which should give cover to the FO and HC. The reality is probably that Snyder wouldn’t have the discipline to stick with the plan, but if that’s the case then we’re more or less doomed whichever way we jump.

        • Flounder

          Plan wouldn’t work anyway becaue nobody is coming here with Colt as your QB and if he gets hurt you need to start a rookie.

          • alex35332

            And not a good rookie either. Unless you are willing to make a big trade up I think most the top QB’s will be gone by 13. At least 4, maybe 5.

          • Different_Cat

            You’re not looking to sign big name FAs if you’re rebuilding, one. And two, most players follow the money, not the QB.

        • alex35332

          ” but if that’s the case then we’re more or less doomed whichever way we jump.”
          Yes.

      • Kelly

        If they were able to pitch and sell a plan to Snyder, they’d be here in 2019. I think you assume that the NFL *has* to be a place where you are immediately fired if you don’t have a winning season. That’s a stupid way to run a business. I think Snyder is learning that, albeit slowly.

        • Flounder

          They have been here awhile it’s not like their new.

          • Kelly

            That’s true.

        • alex35332

          I think that when they evaluate their standings with the fanbase, it’s very low right now. And they probably worry more about how tanking a season will be taken by the public, more than if it’s the smart move or not.

          • Kelly

            Personally, I think Allen should have been let go along with Shanahan. I don’t think he knows how to run a football team.

          • alex35332

            I think he knows how to do some of it, I just would rather he never be on the practice fields or in the scouting department.

            I’d go to Ashburn, build a whole new building for Bruce to work in, a totally air-gaped space where he can figure out the stadium stuff & ticket sales. Never touch the team aspects of the franchise.

    • mike5790

      The idea is to field a competitive team while “while we build the overall talent around the QB position, filling it with young players who have 5-10+ year windows.” realizing that “those players with 5-10+ year windows” hit free agency usually after just 3-4 years.

      There are two things to consider:
      The baseline is not Cousins vs Smith. It is Smith vs Colt. In that light, there is no wash.
      There is no guarantee that Fuller would have stayed here in 2 years. Taking lumps for the next 2 years actually makes it more likely he moves on.

      • Flounder

        Yeah and we can’t add any good FA’s.

      • Different_Cat

        The problem is that the trade detracts from the rebuilding process, in the sense that we lose one very good, young player and a highish draft pick, and in the sense that maintaining a 500ish record keeps us from accumulating very high draft picks.

        Of course any player may leave, if he isn’t tagged, but most players stay on for a second contract.

        • Flounder

          No it doesn’t gives us a stable QB while were rebuilding.

          • Different_Cat

            So you want your cake and eat it too….

        • mike5790

          free agency, the salary cap, and the relative edge of the rookie scale all work together to mean all NFL teams are on a rebuilding cycle. there is no rebuilding, you are always building. because of that, it doesn’t really make sense to suddenly then make a few desperate moves to put you over the top… because there are always free agents you need to keep and draft picks to make.

          the Trade provides a platform for that to keep moving forward for the Redskins.

          by the same argument you could say that keeping Fuller kept the young talent behind him from developing

          how many players do you think stay on for their second contract on a rudderless ship? “trust me guys, this is going to get… bett… guys? guys? where are you going?”

    • HTTRsince65

      Smith hasn’t won much even though his Chiefs teams had strong rushing attacks and defense. Much more so than we’ve had. Kelce is better than Reed too.

      • No Punt Intended

        I think right now, Sprinkle is better than Reed.

      • Flounder

        Colt hasn’t won many games and that’s who we would have had. Kirk hasn’t won anything either.

  • alex35332

    Bruce Allen has an MO when it comes to FA’s. He rarely goes after the top guy in any group, unless its a Norman who comes available really late in the game.

    Here’s what I suggest. Go to http://walterfootball.com/freeagents.php and whatever position group you want, look for the 4th through 8th best free agents around 27 years old.

    • alex35332

      Like at RB, the most Bruce thing to do would be to go after a Jerick McKinnon, or an Isaiah Crowell.

      • HTTRsince65

        reading the descriptions of both those running backs that flounde just posted, I fucking hope Bruce doesn’t sign either one of them. Horrible

    • Flounder

      Wait I thought he always wanted to win the off season?

      • No Punt Intended

        Festivals. BBQ’s. Homecomings. Charity golf tournaments. Uniform variations.

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Hay rides and pumpkin pie

      • Flounder

        Or was that several years ago before he even got here and people are still bringing that dumb shit up.

        • walter_in_fallschurch

          it was bruce allen who mentioned “winning off the field”. that line will forever the associated with him, unless he, you know, starts winning ON the field.

          i do not give one flying fuck, or even one flightless fuck, about winning off the field.

          • HTTRsince65

            don’t confuse Flounder, he’s doggedly fixated on defending the FO rn….In the face of all evidence of poor management

        • kon, for now

          Who said….’winning off the field’ ? And, what team did he say was winning, off the field?

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Vernon Smith, in Mobile!

          • Flounder

            HTTR65

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            “Yeah, you know, we had a lot of great things off the field,” Allen responded. “We had the Harvest Fest at FedEx Field. We had a great event in Richmond on Friday helping some people who need some help. Our team is focused. We’re hungry for a win. And it’s going to be a tough challenge today.”

          • Flounder

            He was referring to this trade not what Bruce said.

          • HTTRsince65

            No I wasn’t specifying this trade…. amazing how you KNOW everything, yet nothing at the same time

          • walter_in_fallschurch

            httr,
            it’s a gift. flounder made a deal with the gods. in exchange, he lost the ability to write in english,

          • HTTRsince65

            don’t piss off Flounder or he’ll cry we’re being mean to the stellar FO….smgdh

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Love me some flounder.

          • HTTRsince65

            Grouper, Snapper, Pompano, Monk fish…all good

          • HTTRsince65

            Yes I did, this morning. I followed up your snarky comment with this.
            *Lighten up! Are no jokes about this organization allowed in your opinion? You’re dogged loyalty to the organization is laughable given their track record.

            I still think it’s laughable.

    • Flounder

      He might go after Landry.

    • alex35332

      McGee and McClain were WF’s 29th and 32nd best DL in free agency. Swearinger was their 11th best S. Brown #3 ILB. The only one who deviates from that formula is that WF ranked Pryor as the top WR available, which, wow. Way off.

  • Flounder

    Here are the top FA RB’s I left out Bell because he isn’t hitting FA’s.

    Dion Lewis, RB, Patriots. Age: 27.
    Dion Lewis has a horrible injury history, but he’s a tremendous running back when healthy. He finally remained on the field the entire season in 2017, and it paid off. Lewis rushed for 895 yards on a 5.0 YPC clip and also caught 32 passes for 214 receiving yards.

    Carlos Hyde, RB, 49ers. Age: 27.
    Carlos Hyde has averaged better than four yards per carry throughout his career despite never running behind a strong offensive line. He has also been paired with mostly terrible quarterbacks throughout his time in San Francisco. Hyde has the potential to explode in the right situation.

    Isaiah Crowell, RB, Browns. Age: 25.
    Isaiah Crowell has a lot of natural talent, and he flashed it early in 2016 before the Browns had offensive line issues. However, he was a big disappointment this past season, failing to do anything behind an excellent front.

    Rex Burkhead, RB, Patriots. Age: 28.
    Rex Burkhead is a jack-of-all-trades, master-of-none running back. He’s decent at catching passes (30 receptions in 2017) and can plunge into the end zone effectively from the goal line. He also averaged 4.1 yards per carry behind an offensive line with some injury issues.

    Jerick McKinnon, RB, Vikings. Age: 26.
    Jerick McKinnon isn’t a very good runner – he hasn’t been able to eclipse four yards per carry in either of his previous two seasons – but he’s an effective receiver out of the backfield. He had 51 receptions in 2017 and 43 the year before.

    • No Punt Intended

      No to all.

      • Flounder

        Yeah I would rather draft as guy who can run but is very good at catching out of the backfield like Michel.

    • mike5790

      Hyde, maybe, for the right price

      But if he’s good… San Fran has the $$$

    • Kelly

      I’d stay away from the Patriots RBs. None of them shined this year.

      • Different_Cat

        I’d absolutely take a run at Dion Lewis if the price is right.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Burkhead for a buck fifty.

      • mike5790

        not sure he’s a fit, here

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          A dollar fifty….. c’mon man.

  • mike5790

    Your Picks:
    Round 1 Pick 20 (DET): DaRon Payne, DT, Alabama (B+)
    Round 2 Pick 16 (LAC): Harrison Phillips, DT, Stanford (B-)
    Round 2 Pick 19 (DET): Will Hernandez, OG, Texas-El Paso (A-)
    Round 3 Pick 20 (LAC): Dallas Goedert, TE, South Dakota State (A+)
    Round 4 Pick 13: J.C. Jackson, CB, Maryland (A+)
    Round 4 Pick 17 (DET): Josh Adams, RB, Notre Dame (A)
    Round 5 Pick 12: Shaun Dion Hamilton, ILB, Alabama (D+)
    Round 6 Pick 14: Tre’Quan Smith, WR, Central Florida (A+)
    Round 7 Pick 13: Javon Wims, WR, Georgia (A+)
    Round 7 Pick 23: Heath Harding, CB, Miami (OH) (A+)

    • Josh RosenSquinns

      If we don’t plan on taking a RB with one of our top 2 picks, we need to sign one in FA.

      • mike5790

        we could use a starting upgrade, Adams would fit that bill, but that isn’t going to fix the running game unless it’s given more priority in practice I think

        I don’t think we will be major players in FA other than for a starting WR; probably have to keep it medium;

        • mike5790

          assuming we want to keep some of our FAs

        • Josh RosenSquinns

          Shut your little ho mouf!

    • alex35332

      We need a DT but 2 DT’s in first 2 picks is a bit lopsided.

      • No Punt Intended

        Lopsidedly awesome!

      • mike5790

        Harrison is a DE here

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Harrison is the fucking Messiah! Please adjust your radio frequency.

    • Flounder

      One of the top 2 DT will be there in the early 20’s so trading down is not an issue for me and we should pick up a 2nd round to make up for the 3rd we traded.

    • AustinSkin

      Da’Ron Payne seems to be the constant here. I like that, unless Quentin Nelson falls to us.

  • Josh RosenSquinns

    Early morning heart attack for BTG. Josh Gordon is a FA this year and is only 27….

    • btg

      Don’t like knuckle heads
      No thanks

      • Josh RosenSquinns

        Then why are you here?

        • kon, for now

          lol

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            It really implies that “we” are knuckleheads, and that he enjoys our company.

          • kon, for now

            I knew what he was saying there

        • Kelly

          *rimshot*

          Greg is cool, tho.

          • Josh RosenSquinns

            More of a rimshot at the rest of us….

    • mike5790

      *splashdown!*

      -Redskins1

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Formally known as….The Spruce Goose

        • mike5790

          technically, it’s balsa wood

          • No Punt Intended

            Thank youuuuuu Cliff Clavin.

          • mike5790

            I was making a joke about RS1

            but *google*
            technically the spruce goose was actually made of birch

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            HA!

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Which would suck as a newspaper headline, so……

  • Josh RosenSquinns

    Any interest in going after Cowboys David Irving in FA?

    • No Punt Intended

      Only Cowboy I’d go for is DeMarcus Lawrence and I would pay him. That dude is going to be a 15 sack per season dude, minimum, for the next several seasons.

      That’s it.

      • Josh RosenSquinns

        Really hope Cowboys don’t find a way to re-sign him….

        • No Punt Intended

          I think they have to. As strange as that sounds, they actually cannot afford to lose him.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      We don’t have that 3rd anymore, he’s RFA

    • btg

      He’s restricted
      Second round tender

      • Josh RosenSquinns

        Damn!

  • kon, for now

    ring-ring-ring-ring-ring-ring-ring…banana phone

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Shooo bop shooo waaa waaa wazooo bop shooo waaaaaaaaaa

    • walter_in_fallschurch

      stop it!

      (though i would rather have that in my head than the journey song.)

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        I wanna beeee there, in myyyyy city……

        • walter_in_fallschurch

          citaaay…

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Yes, better.

  • MJ45

    Speaking of Swearinger, is he on a one year deal?

    • Josh RosenSquinns

      Thought it was 2 or 3. Defintiely not a FA this year.

      • MJ45

        Great!

    • Flounder

      Swearinger is signed through next year.

      • alex35332

        I think there’s an option and stuff too.

    • Flounder

      He is signed through 2019.

  • walter_in_fallschurch

    “D.J. Swearinger watched the story develop on Twitter on Tuesday night, first seeing reports that Smith had been traded for a draft pick and a player to be named later. When it became clear that Fuller, 22, would indeed be Kansas City-bound, Swearinger sounded off on social media.”
    ———————-

    just shut the f up and cover, properly, your guy.

    • Flounder

      He manned up and took credit for the comments said it was a heat of the moment thing.

    • MJ45

      Didn’t he apologize for those tweets?

    • Josh RosenSquinns

      You are NOT a fan! If you hate Swearinger and love Fuller so much, why don’t you just follow the Chiefs (they are similar to the Skins in terms of colors and name)!

    • No Punt Intended

      I’m not worried about DJ one bit. He’s just respecting his boy Fuller who DJ probably had a lot of time invested in regarding Fuller’s development and was bemoaning the loss of his boy.

      Don’t care. That’s so unimportant in my opinion.

    • walter_in_fallschurch

      i don’t “do” twitter, so if he apologized or whatever, i guess good on him. but damn.

      also, i do understand his disappointment at losing a gut like fuller. good CBs are hard to come by… but not as hard as good QBs.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        We do ALL the twitters, K…….

  • frediefritz

    Still cruising. Earlier this week I was stunned with headline “Cousins to Midas season with torn Achilles!”.

    Then I read we have traded for Alex Smith.

    What’s going on?

    Ps, Cousins is bb player

    • No Punt Intended

      Boogie Cousins

    • Flounder

      Yes Demarcus Cousins

  • Josh RosenSquinns

    Skins usually take a look at one or two FA’s? Any guesses as to who they may be?

    • alex35332

      Well, depends on what happens with our own guys. I know position groups I’d target are WR/RB/G

    • MJ45

      RB and WR

    • Flounder

      WR’s maybe Landry maybe a guard.

      • Josh RosenSquinns

        Would love to make a run at Jarvis Landry, but gonna be way too expensive.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      SCOW’s wife?

      • kon, for now

        Another retread?

        Was hoping on someone that hasn’t left it all on the field already.

    • kon, for now

      Got to look at our own first and decide who you don’t want to bring back.

      • Flounder

        I’m sure they have already done that.

        • kon, for now

          Oh are you now!

          • Flounder

            Yes

        • alex35332

          They are still talking with Brown and a few guys.

          • Flounder

            Yes and those are guys they want to bring back.

    • No Punt Intended

      I am not into FA RBs at all.

      Maybe a FA G.

      • alex35332

        Normally I agree about FA RB’s but given the move we made to get Smith, I really thing upgrading RB has to be a top priority, I’m saying a good FA and a draft pick in this off-season wouldn’t hurt.

        • No Punt Intended

          We should draft that kind of RB.

          We are chock-full of 4.6 dudes and we need a guy with to-the-hizzy type speed.

      • Flounder

        Nope draft a RB

      • Zig-Zag_BC
  • alex35332

    If we are posting weird music from the 70’s that just leaves you wondering about what you’ve done with your life. Here’s one my parents played for me when I was way too young.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5ky7Fs6ng0

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Dude…… he’s not weird, OK!

      • alex35332

        The song is.

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          You’ve never been out on a Saturday night, eh? SHOTS!

  • alex35332

    I don’t know who this Logan Paul is, I don’t know what he’s done or why he’s apologizing, and I don’t really care. But his pic is clogging up my twitter timeline and his face looks very punchable.

    • mike5790

      I think he is the suicide video guy

      • alex35332

        Again. I don’t care, just want to see the guy punched in the face.

      • kon, for now

        He’s a frign idiot. Loved and watched by millions of fellow idiots.

        Be afraid for your future. The idiots are coming.

    • No Punt Intended

      Logan Paul is one of the Redskins’ TE’s!

      – Theismann

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Paul’s son?

        • No Punt Intended

          Lived by the Niles?

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Yeah, down by Vern and Davis’s

          • No Punt Intended

            So in a van, down by the river?

            – Matt Foley

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            ShMirk……fuck that guy!

    • kon, for now

      Stay away Alex.

      Don’t let that guy happen in your head.

      • alex35332

        I got to just ignore twitter for a few hours I guess.

  • AustinSkin

    This was the party in Ashburn after the Alex Smith signing…
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_O3_EOmbpmI

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Was Kurt Cumming?

      • AustinSkin

        I’m pretty sure that’s Jeffrey Dahmer on drums.

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Lol

      • alex35332

        Kurt Benkert

    • walter_in_fallschurch

      wow…that is some incredibly weird and f-ed up stuff. very accidentally funny.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Bob Weir on guitar over there……this is like a bad TV show from 1979.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      SEND ME THREE OF YOUR WORST DANCERS, PRONTO!

    • alex35332

      Think how much money they made when that song was re done by the The Sugarhill Gang and played at every bar mitzvah?

    • kon, for now

      Where has this been all my life?

      And, can we put it back now?

      • AustinSkin

        It’s so bad, it’s great!

        • kon, for now

          I hate that.

          The, ‘this is really horrible, I should look away…but I can’t’ effect.

          When the space aliens get wise to that, we’re screwed.

          No wait…the Russians, the Russians already figured it out and used it against us.

    • alex35332

      That music video set the leather fringe industry back 15 years!

    • No Punt Intended

      Kind of looks like the grounds of the Willow Creek Farm Clyde’s in Ashburn.

    • kon, for now

      Damn. Didn’t get a big finish I was hoping on. There’s no getting that 4:34 of my life back.

  • btg

    Can’t wait for the draft
    Gonna be exciting

    • Flounder

      You have FA’s first.

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    Flounder kon, for now • a few seconds ago
    Who is VD and what does he have to do with Smith?
    ___________________________
    When the lights go down in the City
    And the sun shines on the bay
    I want to be there in my City
    Ooh, ooh

    So you think you’re lonely
    Well my friend I’m lonely too
    I want to get back to my City by the bay
    Ooh, ooh

    • kon, for now

      Who is VD?

      Vernon Davis

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        For the win, what is the City by the bay?

        • mike5790

          Mobile

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Fail, ibot

        • C. Dub.

          City by the bay my ass. Fuck San Fran ! The Redskins were the team of the 80’s !

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Totally…… missing……it

          • C. Dub.

            It was a joke…

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Well hahaha, then.

      • Flounder

        Yeah TE’s are different then QB’s.

    • kon, for now

      Your playlist is all over the map. Good stuff.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        I enjoyed that one.

        • kon, for now

          That Steve Perry clone…weird stuff

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Pineda?

    • walter_in_fallschurch

      you bastard! i can’t believe you put that song in my head. it’s stuck there. aaaarrrggghhh…

      make it stop! make it stop.

  • kon, for now

    Let’s be consistent here….

    We have ALWAYS bristled at going out and getting the guy who just came off his one great season.

    The Chiefs came up big with weapons this season. And it showed. Smith was spoiled with targets. Naturally it reflected in his numbers and he finished 8th in the league.

    Prior that….

    2016 – 22nd
    2015 – 20th
    2014 – 20th
    2013 – 17th

    Now. Get yourself square with the fact that he not an elite QB.

    • Flounder

      Smith is a very good QB and he is the best QB that we could have gotten for the next few years.

      • MJ45

        Agree

      • HTTRQGC

        So there are no Wentz’s or Garrapolos or Carrs out there ? Not sure he is best could have gotten. More like someone to fit in…

        • HTTRQGC

          Obviuosly Skins feel better w retread vs the alternative. Thats what this trade spells

          • MJ45

            I think they knew they were losing Cousins and wanted to beat other teams at acquiring the best available QB out there so we’re not stuck with Colt.

          • HTTRQGC

            Cop out imo. But Is what it is.

          • mike5790

            he fits Grudens offense

          • mike5790

            my burgundy-colored hope is that this trade spells that they wanted a guy Gruden could work with, and build around (so free agents don’t flee, or demand a ransom) so they could non-desperately find their next QB over the next 3 or so years.

          • HTTRQGC

            I guess. But gave up too much for the plateaued imo. I will cheer him on tho

          • mike5790

            there are some who think that he was fine in Reid’s offense, but will do better in Jays

            part of that is you just have to compare the passing attempts in KC to Cousins’ attempts in DC

            he is going to throw the ball more here, unless they develop a running game in the off season

        • mike5790

          Garrapolos is a free agent and he has like what half a season of experience?

          • HTTRQGC

            Well how long has Mahomes played? Gotta start somewhere

        • mike5790

          you willing to pull what Philadelphia pulled to get Wentz? in this draft? Because prob the four top QBs all go in the top six.

          • mike5790

            and 50% shot you get a brandon weeden

          • HTTRQGC

            Or Shuler or Brady. Cant hit if dont swing.

          • HTTRQGC

            Perhaps but lotta QBs can be groomed outta the top 4 or 5. The way Skins should go imo…and still may. Point is the day is coming sooner than later.

    • mike5790

      He got a 13.5% deal.
      Elite money is 15-16%

      They didn’t pay him like an elite QB

      • kon, for now

        Not talking about the money.

        Talking about what we got in a QB.

        • mike5790

          he’s got starting experience, won a few playoff games, one where he undeniably put his team on his back for a clutch 4th Q win, and he fits the offense, and they didn’t burn 3 1sts and a 2nd to get him

          • kon, for now

            You can stop justifying it.

            Here….

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6H66xfEZC4

          • mike5790

            if they put a V8 turbo version in their med-large SUV, I’m in

          • kon, for now

            I’m in just for the shiny-ass cylinders. You could shave with one of those things.

  • walter_in_fallschurch

    i’m sad about fuller. but kudos to bruce for getting smith. we’ll see how it all works out, but right now, i’m psyched to have smith for the next few years.

  • mike5790

    This is easy.

    The Redskins had a surplus at DB
    The Chiefs had a surplus at QB
    The Redskins had no starting QB

    Even Santana Moss recognized this easy equation on the Fan yesterday.

    • Flounder

      Yeah it’s pretty simple really.

    • MJ45

      Supply and demand. Other teams were sniffing around and our FO jumped on it knowing Cousins wasn’t going to be here much longer.

      • Flounder

        Yeah Denver offered a second and Talib

    • DC-Dan

      The issue I have is that we picked up a soon to be 34 year old QB and we’re still a mediocre team, and we’re paying him 23.5 mil a year. He keeps us from being terrible but we’re still not good and he probably won’t be around long enough for us to build a contending team around him unless he’s one of those guys that can play at a high level until he’s 40.

      • Flounder

        That’s why you bring in a QB to groom.

      • MJ45

        Can’t we still draft our “Mahomes” to sit and wait under Smith?

        • Flounder

          Yes

        • DC-Dan

          We can, although i don’t know that we want to spend a first on a QB after what we just invested in Smith. I’m thinking 4th round or later.

          • MJ45

            I agree

          • Coach JS

            Yes. Let’s wait a year or two for our Mahomes. But a Case Keenum or Kurt Cussins would be great in the 5th or so.

        • mike5790

          Not this year. we’d have the same problems we did with Cousins. if you draft a kid, and he is on a 4 year deal, he’s going to get maybe 1 year of starting ops, maybe with a handful of other appearances if Smith gets hurt

          • mike5790

            I mean, they may draft a kid, but he’d be the Sudfeld developmental type, not a presumptive the Next

      • mike5790

        but we’re not a mediocre team.

        • DC-Dan

          Yea, we’ll just have to agree to disagree on that

          • mike5790

            they need a WR1

            and the rest are wants or related to coaching preference

          • DC-Dan

            They need a RB, a LG, a TE who can block, a WR1, a CB (unless they re-sign Bree), an ILB (unless they re-sign Brown), a DT, and another passrusher wouldn’t hurt. I also don’t think Jay Gruden is a great HC so that kind of colors my view on this team’s potential.

      • walter_in_fallschurch

        dan,
        smith is way better than mediocre. i can’t dispute his age, but he’s way better than mediocre.

        • DC-Dan

          I didn’t say smith is mediocre. i said the Skins team is

          • walter_in_fallschurch

            oh… sorry, actually i see that now. i still think smith will be as good as cousins would have been for the next few years. and, i was oh so sick of the cousins saga…

            as for the skins being “mediocre” – the skins aspire to mediocre. for last 25 years we have been way less than mediocre.

    • kon, for now

      It’s not equitable.

      We’re upside down on this trade.

      But it’s done, I guess. So….let’s just move on.

    • Different_Cat

      Surplus at DB? What’s the old saying? You can’t have too many good CBs. In this case it’s particularly true because we’re paying Josh Norman a LOT of money and so far he hasn’t played up to expectations. The smart move would have been to continue developing our young studs and part company with Norman in ’19 when we have a reasonable out in his contract.

      Another possibility would have been letting Breeland go, rather than potentially overpaying him.

      • Flounder

        And having no QB.

  • walter_in_fallschurch

    i don’t understand all the animosity toward kurt cummings. he played really well for us for a few years.

    • btg

      If you don’t care about him why do you keep bringing him up with your self appointed foolish nickname for him

      • walter_in_fallschurch

        KIRK COUSINS played well for us for a few years. he’s not going to be a redskin anymore. therefore, i don’t care about him anymore.

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          psssst……he doesn’t like laughter.

  • btg

    Would you rather
    1. Top ten qb
    2. Top ten slot corner

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      You’re late.

      • btg

        Okay
        What do you want to discuss then

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          How to get that pick back? Runnin’ backs, shit like that.

          • Flounder

            You can trade down a few spots still get a top d-line guy and get a better pick then the one you lost.

        • walter_in_fallschurch

          greg,
          i’m sad about fuller, too. heck we’re both VT guys, but still… alex smith? that’s a good get. hoping he is our qb for 3 or 4 years. it’s weird knowing who the qb will be beyond next season.

    • Different_Cat

      Or to be more specific:
      1. 34-year-old top ten QB, or
      2. 22-year-old top ten CB.

      • btg

        Still doesn’t change

        This is a qb driven league

        Either you have one
        Or you’re trying to get one

        • Different_Cat

          Sure. That’s why Blake Bortles nearly made the Super Bowl, and Nick Foles is playing in the Super Bowl.

          • btg

            Tom Brady???

            Ever heard of him

          • Different_Cat

            So you’re saying teams can win with good QBs and good defense or not-so-good QBs and really good defense?

          • mike5790

            comparisons to Tom Brady- not helping

      • mike5790

        1. might be here only 3 years
        2. might have only been here 2 years

        • kon, for now

          I’ll declare it right now…

          As long as Torian Gray is on the sideline, Fuller stays with the Skins.

          I like the idea of bringing him back once his rookie deal is done. Hoping he doesn’t sign an extension.

          • mike5790

            If the coaching staff gets blown out, there’s a good chance Gray goes with them.

            All I’m saying is we’re counting chickens before they hatch.

          • kon, for now

            Plus, those guys in the secondary are a group. None of them would want to split up the band.

            I’m firmly a glass half full on him re-signing in two years if he was still here.

    • mike5790

      People are making the argument that Smith is like, maybe 16th best QB and Fuller is the top slot corner GoAT

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        ^^^^^^^^^ibot^^^^^^^^^^^

    • DC-Dan

      i don’t think Alex Smith is a top 10 QB, more like 14-16 range. He’s solid. Also I don’t think we are going anywhere with Smith, so I would rather we keep the young talented CB, draft a QB, and spend the money on defense. We aren’t close enough to contending for this trade to matter. We’re still mediocre

      • mike5790

        other than the game 1 mulligan for poor pre prep, I don’t know how you saw this team when they were healthy and didn’t think they could contend. the Skins swung and missed on WR1 last off season, but added difference making Safeties, DL, and Mason + Brown were killing it. And they added potential talent in the draft like Moreau. And 2 years from now, maybe they have to let Fuller go in FA to sign a FA LT. Or, the Colt thing doesn’t work out and everyone gets blown out and start over. Fuller goes in FA on his own so he doesn’t have to start from zero.

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    I feel like Kirk SchMirk, Fuck that Guy should’ve got a plug.

    • kon, for now

      I feel like we get no respect.

      They only read twitter shit.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        They do computers…they know all the twitters.

  • kon, for now

    Big ol’ whatever about KC

    He dicked us over for two years

    Zero GAF about that guy

    • mike5790

      I just think both sides mis-read the other. And Kirk did this differently than a lot of guys: passionless. all business. and at some point, the Other decides you don’t want to be here.

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    The Fuller summary: corporate thinking 101 “we fucked it up really good, but we’re not talking about that. Check out this rabbit!”

  • HTTRQGC

    Well I hope the Smith deal doesnt backfire down the road. Helps now but could get dicey in a couple years…I expect.

    Not sure how Belichek does it…but one third of N.E.’s special teams and starters are undrafted free agents. Some folk here were saying college doesnt translate to the NFL. Not to that team. Lets hope the Skins scouts have a banner year and Fuller isnt missed. Bout all you can hope for and the youngsters to step in the void.

    • mike5790

      maybe move Moreau and Dunbar to the corners and Norman to the slot, even if Breeland moves on
      *smash cut*
      You’re going to pay a slot corner THAT much? Insane!
      Wait, I thought slot corner was super important?
      Insane!

      Can’t win.

      • HTTRQGC

        With T.Gray there is some hope…

  • kon, for now

    Buuuuut…..if you do tag him, that signing team has a number locked in. No guessing. They’ll have a hard number to work with, put up for him and then have him available to rework at a later date.

    Have you thought of that Steve?

    • Flounder

      Tagging Cousins would have been stupid.

      • walter_in_fallschurch

        who?

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Well, thars Thelma, and Betty Lou, Trina Mae, Brittany Lynn…..

      • kon, for now

        Stupid. But doable. With a better chance at getting something in return.

        I’m not endorsing pursuing that. Just pointing out.

        • Flounder

          No he would have played on the tag and we would have had to do this all over with no room to build.

  • btg

    Isn’t FMoreau eerily similar to Fuller

    Fell in the draft due to injury
    Thought of previously as a first round pick

    And someone had the nerve to bring up age with ASmith

    Smh

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Lol, somebody’s googling to catch up…..but mock drafts are lame, right?

    • Flounder

      Apparently Smith is going to just start sucking all the sudden this year.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Sluuuurrrrrrp!

      • kon, for now

        What happened to VD down the stretch?

        Right. He hit the wall.

        • Flounder

          Who is VD and what does he have to do with Smith?

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    Steve’s running with the “QB trumps all” which is the easiest road to take, obviously.

    • walter_in_fallschurch

      it’s a pretty damn important position…

      gosh, i hope we can re-sign cummings. oh, that’s right…. i don’t care about him anymore.

      • AustinSkin

        KSFTG

        • walter_in_fallschurch

          i don’t know what that means…

          • AustinSkin

            Kirk, Schmirk, F That Guy

          • walter_in_fallschurch

            ah… i’m “all in” on KSFTG.

  • walter_in_fallschurch

    i had a weird dream that the redskins got alex smith to be their qb. alex freakin smith! crazy, right?!?!

    • kon, for now

      Yer dream’n

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    Steve’s wrong about Fuller, IMO.

    • kon, for now

      I’m at 30:30….

      when is he wrong?

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Back in the early 20’s. I may be mixing voices.

        • kon, for now

          Ah.

          Yea.

          He’s like so what about Fuller. We got QB. You’re all crazy. Marbles coming out of your head.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            It’s how some folks deal.

          • kon, for now

            It’s cool. I don’t mind being talked down to. Not at all. Not one bit.

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            Something about water…….and a duck.

          • walter_in_fallschurch

            to get to the other side?

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            X!

  • kon, for now

    We’ll be right back to griping about the slot corner while we wait on that guy to learn the position.

    • Flounder

      Right because their is no way we can pick up a slot corner in FA’s.

      • kon, for now

        Suuuuuuuure we will

  • kon, for now

    And look, assuming Smith is lights out for three years, Fuller is still in the league five – six seasons after Smith retires.

    • kon, for now

      Or more

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      We lost him.

      • kon, for now

        Go get him back in two years.

    • Kelly

      Way more. Fuller is 11 years younger than Smith.

    • mike5790

      and he would have been a free agent in two. there’s no guarantee they would / could have signed him

  • kon, for now

    Whoa whoa Steve….the slot corner has a learning curve and has become crucial in today’s game. Right when we get a guy that’s shutting it down….

  • Zig-Zag_BC
  • kon, for now

    The 9’ers did him dirty

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    Kelly, drop some T.Rex on k0n, guy needs some medicine 🙂

  • kon, for now

    Eli…still had it at 35. Hit wall before 36 and is absolute garbage at 37.

    • mike5790

      prob looking at 34 35 and his 36 year he’ll be keeping the spot warm for some punk kid

      • kon, for now

        At his salary? Hell no.

  • kon, for now

    Right. Smith looked good last year. But come on, 34 is a game away from hitting the wall. It’s not an if, it’s a when.

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      You just wanna complain, eh? What if we still draft a guy? Oh yeah…..still gotta fire Jay, eh?

      • kon, for now

        Not complaining. Pointing out that it’s going to happen.

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          He’s a driver, he’s a winner
          Things are gonna change, I can feel it….

          • kon, for now

            Getting crazy with the cheez whiz

          • Zig-Zag_BC

            HA!

          • Kelly

            Choking on the splinters.

    • AustinSkin

      Plenty of QBs in there late 30s

      • kon, for now

        And a shit-ton more that aren’t

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    Upgrade
    I think so.
    Not Godzilla stomping buildings but yeah, upgrade.

  • kon, for now

    3 seasons…that’s a stretch. Lucky if we get 2

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    50 yards less?! Wtf??????

  • kon, for now

    Two shows this week? What? Did something happen?

  • Zig-Zag_BC

    Neo glam hero metal intro….is that a thing?

  • HTTRsince65

    Are there any free agent on defense in Kansas City or any of their running backs that are good or wide receivers or Travis Kelce? Maybe they’ll follow Alex Smith LOL

    • Kelly

      Get me that #10 that made half those Top 10 Alex Smith highlights possible. He’s a young DJax.

      • Zig-Zag_BC

        Who, Crowder? Who Crowder? Is that Crowder that you mean? Crowder?

        • Zig-Zag_BC

          Huh? Crowder?

      • HTTRsince65

        Smith is going to miss that rushing attack he had in Kansas City and the defense although if we get all our players back on defense from last year and add another stud defensive lineman maybe that will help feel the defense finally for us

  • HTTRsince65

    We ALWAYS win the (almost) offseason!
    -BA

    • Flounder

      We haven’t won an off season in years nor tried to win one.

      • HTTRsince65

        Lighten up! Are no jokes about this organization allowed in your opinion? You’re dogged loyalty to the organization is laughable given their track record.

  • HTTRsince65

    Happy Thursday!

    • Kelly

      I’m not joking, I would not have been able to guess what day it was right now if you’d asked me. Thank you for this!

    • Zig-Zag_BC

      Hpy Hpy!

  • Flounder

    Third

    • Lbsand

      That’s the Olympic Spirit, you swept the podium.

      • alex35332

        Please report to blog steroid testing Mr. Flounder.

        • Flounder

          LOL

  • Flounder

    Second

  • Flounder

    First