Redskins Reportedly Trade for Alex Smith
January 30, 2018
UPDATED January 31, 2018
by Steve Thomas
The Washington Redskins have reportedly agreed to a trade with the Kansas City Chiefs for quarterback Alex Smith in exchange for a 2018 3rd round pick and Redskins cornerback Kendall Fuller.
Ian Rapoport from NFL.com reported the trade to the national media:
There is an agreement in principle for Alex Smith to go to the #Redskins. The deal will be finalized tomorrow. This means Kirk Cousins will be a free agent. Mega-deal.
— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) January 31, 2018
ESPN’s Adam Schefter reported that the Redskins agreed to trade a 3rd round pick, plus an unidentified player:
Trade term update: Washington is sending KC a third-round pick and an unidentified player for QB Alex Smith, per sources.
— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) January 31, 2018
Fuller himself later announced on social media that he was the player to be traded:
On a more serious note i cant wait to get to Kansas City! Im excited to be a Chief!!
— Kendall Fuller (@KeFu11er) January 31, 2018
Rapoport stated that Smith’s agreed contract extension will average be a four year, $94M deal with $71M in guarantees:
The #Redskins gave QB Alex Smith a 4-year extension worth $94M, source said. He gets a whopping $71M in guarantees.
— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) January 31, 2018
Smith was drafted in 2005 by the San Francisco 49ers, where he played from 2005 to 2012. He was traded to Kansas City in prior to the 2013 season, where he has remained ever since.
For his career, Smith has completed 62.4% of his passes, 183 touchdowns to just 92 interceptions, and an 87.4 QB rating. 2017 was a career year for Smith, who posted 67.5% completion percentage, 26 touchdowns, 5 interceptions, and a 104.7 QB rating to lead the Chiefs to a 10-6 record and a playoff birth.
Smith is in the final year of a 4 year contract extension. He has a base salary of $14.5M and will have a cap hit of $17M in 2018. Further details of his cap hit for future years will not be known until the contract is finalized at the start of the league year on March 9.
This trade, if finalized, means that quarterback Kirk Cousins, who has been with the Redskins since 2012 and has started for the past three seasons, will go to free agency.
Move along – new post: http://www.thehogsty.com/2018/01/31/the-redskins-and-free-agency-from-2010-2017/
you can bitch and moan all you want about the trade but the real things is you cannot evaluate whether it was good trade or not until maybe next November/December
if we go 7-9 or worse they trade was bad
we make the playoffs and maybe win a game it was a good trade
I am really not going to pin this on Smith’s performance. I think it’s going to more about what we do with the money we saved by not signing Cousins and getting Smith for less. If we use the funds to build a better defense, then this is a good trade.
Of course if Smith totally sucks and costs us many games, then yes.. bad deal.
there’s prob only going to be like a 3 or 4 million dollar difference for next year
The stretch from Charlottesville down to Lynchburg is usually a mellow ride. That’s too bad. Prayers for the Driver’s family. The guy that used to man the Rockfish switchgear was always funny as hell on the radio. I lived in Crozet for awhile as a kid.
Really nice area. What a terrible accident.
Just west of there is way better.
Woah woah woah…
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On @Browns_Daily right now @AllbrightNFL said that “Alex Smith chose Washington due to the long term deal that the Skins were offering.” Added Browns offered multiple picks but wanted him for short term deal and Denver offered a 2nd and Aqib Talib!
So skins were not the best offer it seems. Though I can understand not wanting to trade him to Denver
I’m getting a bad vibe here. If Reid was willing to trade Smiff to Denver…
Dunno if Reid was or not, just that Denver made an offer.
Roger that.
Well, and Smith wouldn’t have wanted to go anywhere without a longer term deal and they needed him to coorperate (unless the team trading for him would have been happy to get him just for the remainder of his current deal).
Fuller, based on his contract and age, might be a better deal than Talib.
And point of fact, I’ve speculated that would be the type of deal that Denver would offer. They’re going to have to cut Talib to get a vet QB anyway.
nobody, i mean nobody, wants to play for the browns.
i do!
-Josh Allen
He’s already used to playing bad football in an ugly uniform. He’s hired!
whoo hoo!
-josh
But why would it matter to KC what team Smith wanted to go to? I figured they would have milked him for all he is worth.
See, good teams tend to do this thing where they talk to their players and try and do things to make them happy, even if it’s about trading them away.
hamburger?
– bruce
because it prob meant a better offer if he was willing to sign at least some kind of extension; did he have a no trade clause?
This too
these kinds of things usually only have mostly truths without the caveats involved, you know, like the Browns offered like two 3rd round picks, one of them 2019 or whatever
We’d like to officially welcome Kurt Smith to the team.
-BA
‘Alec’ Smith.
Alec Smiff
I was gonna sayt Alec Jones . Smith or Jones …Its’s all the same .
FLUORIDATION!
You have to have some fun amidst the madness
Compensatory draft picks is an interesting methodology. Kirk will undoubtedly be a ‘3rd round’ CFA, but the Skins may never get the pick depending on how many other CFA player(s) they sign vs. how many they lose.
who?
Sorry: Kurt Cummings.
nice….
Here’s what you do as the team.
You pay a kid to sit by the fax machines.
You have that kid do two things.
The second he sees the letterhead come in from a signed FT tender he unplugs the one fax machine and pushes the send button on the other that has a letter in it that revokes the FT.
Thus, you FT Cousins and make sure there’s a proper ransom.
Doug Pederson, who coached in Kansas City, on the Alex Smith trade to Washington: “I just hate that we have to play him twice a year.”
followed by
*maniacal laughter*
“wait, was that out loud?”
Standard coach speak
“I just hate that we have to beat him twice a year. Nice guy.”
Republicans do not care about common working men, like sanitation engineers, who they carelessly killed today with the carbon hog of a train
— The Democrats
As far as I’m concerned they can do their business in DC . We shouldn’t be paying for any retreat .
Doing businesses off site on occasion is a pretty common practice in government and across all businesses. Whether they’re called workshops, retreats, conferences, or meetings; but none of it is cheap. Nonetheless, it’s how the private sector works too.
I don’t give a shit , they don’t deserve it . That’s what’s wrong with them now . Care about themselves more than they do the people .
Must be in the parts of the government I’m not in. Their idea of “off site” here is going from one building to the building across the street.
Probably $$ came out of donations to RNC from people, companies, lobbyists
Probably . I thought about that
buck, did you used to work for an electric company or something? public?
https://twitter.com/DaleJr/status/958742892146720768
Any chance you can get to try and rip the team you do
BA could literally drop a deuce on your shoes and you’d thank him for the shoe shine.
you know that they used to use manure to tan and soften leather, right? like, for reals.
How many twitter posts have you posted today
You are just so negative if you don’t like something
greg,
what are you talking about? numerous hamsters have expressed exactly those sentiments. good we have qb stability. sucks about fuller, and apparently the details of how fuller found out suck, too. duh….
I would guess the Skins didn’t think it would break so fast, whether they should have realized it would or not. Prob thought they should let Fuller enjoy the SotU address in peace?
The train wreck is just outside of Charlottesville in the mountains of Crozet Va. It looks bad from what they are showing . Shit and wreckage are laying mangled up all over the place .
Passenger or cargo?
Looks like an Amtrack carrying republican lawmakers to Greenbriar WV
Yikes
Big retreat facility in Greenbriar , Saints have their camp there .
Wintergreen ski resort is there
Have you all not been tracking the GOP train wreak after hitting a dump truck?
It’s old news.
I didn’t know the Onion had gone from writing headlines to just creating reality.
IDK , first I have seen of it . Not sure what you are referring too.
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/371621-train-carrying-gop-lawmakers-hits-truck-in-virginia
Fatality was in the truck. Sounds like the train passengers are okay.
buck,
one of my wife’s life-long friends lives in crozet – like right near “walton’s mountain”. they’ve likely put pennies and the like on that very track to see them get smashed by the train.
oh, yeah, and puppies are cute.
That’s like in between Scottsville and Crozet .
Kon is acting like Swearingers twitter posts
My gosh
Are you a man???
Dude, stop
It’s sad watching you be so damn wrong
Now shhh….the movie is about to start
What am I wrong about again?
https://twitter.com/dpbrugler/status/958731850847047680
Also Central Mich. DE Joel Ostman who led the nation in sacks.
I think you will be able to get a mid round gem at d-line.
Woohooo. We get Poona in the 7th round.
From Hogs Haven:
“Once the Redskins finalize the trade come March 14th, they can essentially do what they choose with Alex. His cap hit in 2017 is just $17 million, and this is a number the Broncos or any other quarterback-needy team could easily fit into their cap.
Say the Redskins fall in love with a quarterback prospect leading up to the 2018 NFL Draft, that number four (Browns) or five (Broncos) spot would be a nice area to grab themselves one.
Would Alex Smith and the number 13 pick in the 2018 NFL Draft be enough for the Redskins to move into the top five and grab themselves a franchise signal caller?”
Now they are just getting crazy.
Haha I know. It’s nuts.
Trippin’.
It’s not clear if the cap hit will be $17M next year, either. It’s possible that year has been rolled into the new contract.
This is reaching to the nth degree.
Smoking the good stuff eh
They aren’t counting the full cost here. Have to include what we lost for Smith first.
It would cost Fuller, 3rd Round pick, 1st round pick, and Smith to move up to #4 or #5. Looks terrible.
I think the problem with the $17 number is when you do an extension, yes the deets for the first year stay the same, except if you pay out a signing bonus, then the bonus gets pro rated starting with the first year.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/indianapolis-colts/andrew-luck-9811/
Andrew Luck’s contract works this way. He had an extension laid out over the 5th year of his rookie deal. So his new signing bonus counts the first year (the last of his rookie deal), but the very last year of the extension, no bonus impact (from the signing bonus)
So the number will probably be like $22-23 million I would guess, which is still lower than Kirk’s hit last year. But what that also means is that 5th year is probably not going to have any dead cap on it.
I bet actually they gave him about a $28 mil signing bonus and that would then mean a $24 mil cap hit for 2018, which again, in % terms, would be lower than Cousins’ hit last year
You know how you minimize the loss of a slot corner? You draft a stud DL to pair with Jonathan Allen and collapse that pocket on opposing quarterbacks. Draft Vea at 13 and sit back and enjoy a young DL kill people for years to come. Then take Sony Michel in round 2.
We can’t get a stud DL. Not when dudes are trading back to parts unknown.
This draft is deep with stud d-line guys we can get one even if we trade back few picks and trading back is not definite.
Not deep enough to trade back and dramatically lessen the odds of a game 1 starter
Because going from 13 to 20 would leave us no option
So it’s 20 is it. Good luck with any guys in the draft you’ve been fapping for being there at 20.
You are an emotional wreck right now
Walk away for a bit
lol
I’m in a reserved lounge at the movie theater. Feet kicked back in the recliner about to catch Star Wars
It’s a good get!
How are you just now watching Star Wars?
Ran into some trouble on the run out of Kessel
This draft, you can get a starting DL in the 2nd round.
Ok so how much cap space are we projected to have? 30-35 million?
Flounder, get on this one ASAP.
lols
Depends on how much Smith cost the first year but that sounds about right.
without any additional bonus implications, Smith’s cap number is $17 mil
At the start of the off season we were at 55, after the moves we made we are probably in that 30-35 range.
Redskins get fleeced by Chiefs in Alex Smith trade
by Mike Jones (yeah that Mike Jones)
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/columnist/mike-jones/2018/01/31/alex-smith-washington-redskins-trade-kansas-city-chiefs/1081813001/
Of course that hater says that.
I don’t think Mike Jones was a hater though
Hear the same from Jason LaCanfora and Jason Reid. Typical from the ex WaPo crew
Actually, I don’t think Reid has been trashing the trade. In fact if you go to his Twitter feed, he’s been defending against the likes of Mike Jones.
And Mike Jones has been a hater ever since the inf had been getting funneled through national media outlets instead of him (who trashed the organization any chance he could get).
Fleeced? Nah, that’s ‘read my post’ talk.
He’s a troll now too. Just like LaConfora. F them.
i think it all depends on how much longer smith plays. if he’s playing well as our qb in 3 years, we win. 5 years? it’s a home run.
He never sees years 4 and 5 of that contract this is a 3 year deal just like most NFL contracts are.
Jacksonville only has 10mil that is weird I thought they had lots of cash they could clear up 19 more by letting Bortles go.
They went on a FA spending spree two years ago, and then signed a few more last year.
Damn
After digestion, I don’t love the trade but I don’t hate it either. I do like Smith, he’s a good 2nd tier QB. I hate giving up Fuller but that was the cost obviously.
That’s where I am. To get a starting QB you have to give up something of value. Unfortunately it was Fuller. Hopefully Moreau is as good as they say. Smith is a good but not great QB – same as KC, just a little older and cheaper. At least now the QB position is settled for awhile and they can draft someone to groom without having to force it.
i don’t love it or hate it yet, either. but at least we’re not talking about kurt freakin cummings for the next few months, or year.
CDC Director Brenda Fitzgerald resigns
Apparently, trading tobacco stocks while you are running the CDC is frowned upon.
it’s all about P/E!!!
How is that any different than Trump’s other agency heads?
That would be like Jeff Sessions having a fiduciary interest in private prison corporations. Oh wait…
Or like the head of the EPA being openly antagonistic to virtually every environmental interest.
No kidding. Surprised it’s not a prerequisite.
i’m surprised it’s not illegal.
So Jasno predicts the skins will go to the playoffs next year and win a playoff game!?
https://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora/status/958543222623567874
It helps to have a donut where the brain is supposed to be
That was Jason Reid who loved the doughnuts. Jasno was a drinker.
My bad…
Helps to have a tumbler where the brain is supposed to be
Because there seems to have been confusion about ex-skins beat reporters:
Jasno-
Drinker. Went with him to a Nats game and some OG hamsters, he was
triple fisting and ended the night stumbling into a taxi, it was a good
time.
Jason- Doughnuts. Bathroom video enthusiast.
Mike Jones- Stole Jason’s doughnuts.
Master-Loved talking music more than football, wore long pants and a hoodie to training camp in 100 degree heat.
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/958687704455278592
Funny, I would think the Vikings would be the likely place for Cousins to end up. They are ready to win now, and it’s closer to his hometown.
Yeah, except that have three FA starting QBs who already know their system.
Cleveland is probably closer to where he grew up.
But he wants to be on a winner…
He could turn Cleveland around
are you fo’ real?
I mean I exist if that’s the question.
I still think it will be the Jets or Jaguars – if they move on from Bortles. I thought maybe the Cards as well but looking at their cap room above I don’t see it. Maybe the Broncos but I think they will be outbid. Elway always seems to think guys should take less to play in Denver. If anything Cousins has shown he’s not about taking less.
Rumor is that the Jags are going to pick up Bortles’ option and probably draft his successor.
Umm… did everyone forget that Jimmy Garoppolo is a free agent? there’s no reason for him not to pull a Kirk Cousins, and no reason for Kirk Cousins to not sign with the 9ers
But at the same time. He could get a deal that’s back loaded.
Browns have $103M plus 12 draft picks this year, including 5 in the first 2 rounds, but we outbid them for Alex Smith….
they can take whomever they wanted, but prob put in what they thought was a reasonable bid
my guess is it was someone else, like Denver, who put in a bid. maybe Denver put in 3rd rounder plus Talib?
hopefully, they sign kurt cummings as their next qb.
Denver fans (rightly or not) have to be stoked today.
They now face Pat Maholmes twice a year instead of Smith.
And they are one step closer to signing Cousins.
unless …
…Garrapolo…
They have the least cap space of teams going after Cousins so unless he is going to take less money they wont be signing him.
I bet he takes a lower deal for a contender. Why wouldn’t he? Redskins made him super-wealthy. What he needs now is a legacy. And a legacy makes you rich and influential for life.
He might but his agent seems like a greedy dude trying to get the biggest contract in the NFL so who knows.
flounder,
“dude” has all the money he and his grandchildren will ever need. he will go to a team where he thinks he can win.
as the teams dwindle who are looking for FA vet QBs in that price range, he might end up taking less out of necessity. the Redskins are one less team bidding now
Mahomes is going to be really good, IMO. But probably not this year.
Trey Gowdy says he will not seek re-election in 2018. Good riddance.
I’m sure the people of South Carolina will elect someone who will make you wish Trey Gowdy had run.
Freaky dude.
trey benghazi!!! gowdy is a joke he’s not even in on.
The congressman who can’t help but get a haircut that makes him look like someone who drives a windowless van.
The party is too crazy for Trey…think about that
Incumbent GOP reps are dropping like flies.
Whether or not this trade ends up being good or bad depends entirely on what the FO does from here. Football is the ultimate team sport and the Redskins are a mediocre team after this trade just as they were before it. We need to add playmakers on offense and defense.
which is harder to do in free agency if Colt McCoy is your starter
https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/958748230354948097
Someone show him the last two close out games against the Giants
Sorry Von but no he couldn’t.
He could, but not with Vance Joseph as HC.
No he really couldn’t dude has no big game ability.
BS, Flounder. He won a lot of big games to get us into the playoffs a few years ago.
No he really didn’t and how did he do in the Giants game to make the playoffs or how did he do in the playoff game.
Yes, he really did. In fact here are his QB ratings during that critical six-game stretch in 2015:
114.4
101.4
104.2
153.7
120.3
155.1
flounder,
cousins was not the problem. he helped us overcome problems. and, now that he’s gone, i hope he has a terrible rest of his career.
of course he could, von. you put cousins on a good team, and watch out.
Denver is not a good team.
Good teams don’t win 5 games.
Same Von who compared Trevor S. to Peyton M during training camp/early season?
For the record, though, I think Cousins’ best shot for success is in Denver. And I’m not going to hate on Kirk because the FO gambled and lost. It was nobody’s fault. That’s just how things go sometimes. (And a lot of the time for certain franchises.)
he throws a nice spiral!
Bullock post on how Smith fits over at WaPo-thetic. Nothing much to see.
Summary version: Smith fits and knows the WCO. He can run, too. Maybe Jay will start use RPOs.
maybe more roll-outs
I call on the Redskins to release the documents , that outline who was at the heart of the dysfunction between SM and BA .
Release the memos and text messages now !
..and here’s the other thing…I don’t know why Scot McCloughan is taking veiled shots at the Redskins. His 2ND ROUND pick, Su’a Cravens doesn’t play. There were signs before he drafted him at S-C. So Scot needs to shut the bleep up!
McCloughan taking shots?
I see what you did there.
Scot should come up here on the boards. We’re all armchair GMs.
Well, except Flounder. He’s the real deal. 🙂
That’s funny Rick
Umm Matt Jones, Sua Cravens
A wasted second round and third round picks
And, if the first two years are any indication, Doctson…
JDoc lead the team in tds
Cravens just quit
Jones didn’t even make the team
Yeah, why would he have a grudge against the Redskins? Mysterious.
Most drunks hold grudges when they can’t admit they have an issue.
Nice job ignoring his failure in Cravens and Jones
Sure, unlike those other GMs who hit on 100% of their picks.
Don’t forget the FA failures also.
Bottom line: he wasn’t fired because of his personnel decisions.
No he was fired because he is an admitted drunk and like the other two places he worked it finally became an issue.
where is that information at ? Where did you see that
That’s classified, Buck. Flounder would have to kill you if he showed you.
I’ve read shit that says he was fired because he clashed with BA over KC’s contract issues , but I don’t state it as a fact .
He was fired from the 49ers and from the Seahawkes for being a drunk this is nor breaking news.
So you would admit your statement is only an opinion . I’m not asking about what happened in San Fransisco
And you make something up to distract
Not one person suggests that
Point being that he had hits and misses. Why are you only focusing on the misses?
Scot is still jobless which tells me all those people that came to his defense are full of crap, because they all know he has issues and that’s why he was fired.
don’t know if anyone posted this Bullock Analysis of Smith
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/football-insider/wp/2018/01/31/how-new-quarterback-alex-smith-will-fit-with-the-redskins-offense/?utm_term=.665e1804d867
I saw it.
– No one
Damn…. a train carrying GOP house members & families to a retreat in WV hit a truck. Injuries reported.
I hope everyone is okay.
Trouble ahead…….trouble behind…….
Casey Jones better watch your speed
got to dig up my best of GD CD and load that on my phone
the best ones are the live shows from around may 77.
The RFK Casey ain’t bad.
i was there. it was this crazy combo of hearing the dead at RF-freakin-K! like, where john riggins and joe gibbs once walked.
I was as well.
What do DeadHeads say when they run out of weed?
“This music sucks.”
npi,
waltered – days ago.
but still a funny joke. not strickly true as i can hear the first few notes of a dead song and be magically transported. it’s a learned skill.
Well then you were NPI’d 20+years ago.
npi,
no, i made up that joke even before the dead existed!
I invented weed, so, yeah.
Fatality. Driver.
No other way to look at it….losing Fuller hurts, but I ain’t gonna cry about it all season. They still have the draft coming up, they’ve got Holsey and perhaps Breeland’s in play.
Fish is a FS who can play in the slot also.
This is an area the Redskins have some nice young talent.
SS
Actually FS.
and Moreau
mike5790 Big Buck64 • 3 minutes ago
Fuller might make the next 8 pro bowls but that doesn’t mean he would have done that here. He might have only ever been the #3 corner here. But it was disappointing that he had to be part of the trade.
—————–
Fuller was ranked the #1 slot corner in the league by B/R
And the No. 6 CB overall by PFF.
You are the No. 1 douche overall.
Shut up, NPI. Go away.
lol. pwned.
Pathetic.
http://people.cs.vt.edu/~attia/hokie_logo.gif
Yeah and he could be ranked the number 15 next year or get hurt.
As could Alex Smith. What’s your point?
That we can replace Fuller but we weren’t going to find a QB who is as good as Smith.
If he was No. 15 he’d still be the best CB on our roster by a fair margin.
Really for next year and how do you know that.
I don’t always agree with Casserly’s takes, but
Nickel corner vs QB
you can go into free agency needing a nickel, you don’t want to do that needing a starting QB
The knock was he could play outside as well. High character , great locker room presence, etc.
Actually caught interceptions….
He had a better head on his shoulders than Breeland and arguably Josh Norman
http://people.cs.vt.edu/~attia/hokie_logo.gif
My only problem with giving up Fuller & a pick for Smith is that we’re now gonna be spending big bucks on a QB again (sorry Buck), when we already know that having a QB that puts up numbers leaves us around 8-8.
I would much rather we kept Fuller, kept the pick, and rolled with Colt for a bit while putting the rest of the pieces in place (LG, DT, swing tackle, RB, ILB, S.. and THEN QB).
As long as we’re giving Alex $20mm+ it’s gonna be hard to put the kind of team together that wins.
I think we save AT LEAST $5M a year with Smith over Kirk.
Over Kirk, sure. But unless Smith is so much better than Kirk (who put up franchise record numbers) that he’s going to get us into the playoffs (Smith has a dismal playoff record), then why are we only saving $7mm with Smith when we could save how much more with Colt?
“(who put up franchise record numbers)”
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i think (hope) we are going to see that cousins’s excellence was really a product of gruden’s offense. that’s my story, and i’m sticking with it until at least 3/4 of next year’s games.
every time i see an “all 22” film of washington’s offense, it seems like everybody’s open.
Two things.
1. They must have not thought that much of Colt, and whatever you want to say, Smith has far more experience as a starter
2. You 100% lose free agency in every way if you go into free agency with Colt as your starter. I know that’s myopic, but it is real. You will have to pay more and you will lose out more. even if you stay medium.
Smith is 100 times better then Colt.
I agree with that
You clearly do not understand what it takes to procure a legitimate, starting-caliber QB who finished 2017 with one of the top QB ratings if not the top rating.
I contend we gave up a good young player in one of the few areas on the team we have depth and the 3rd round pick comes back to us in 2018.
What were you hoping for? Seriously. How can you look at this trade and not understand this is a very good deal for us and the Chiefs?
I think that’s right.
I don’t think that what the Redskins need right now is one of the top QBs in the league. I think they would be better off spending that money elsewhere. That’s my point.
We have plenty of money to spend elsewhere,
They had to move on from KC . I acknowledge that . Ship sailed , too expensive . You can argue later why that came to be if you want too or not .
two factors
1. The trade meant that Cousins didn’t get a “fair” chance his first 3 years and therefore the Skins needed to see more
2. Cousins thought it should be obvious that he was what he thinks he is and wants to be paid and respected as such
I agree that they had to move on from Kirk. I don’t think we needed to go after Alex Smith.
it was probably the deal they thought they could make before free agency
Probably. I’d rather have seen Kirk’s money move to upgrade multiple positions, rather than maintain the QB spot and downgrade DBs.
that wasn’t the baseline
the baseline was:
Free Agency: No Starting QB
The reality for the front office wasn’t what they had in 2017, it was what and how they could get players for 2018. There was Colt… and… but Fuller… there are options. I don’t think anyone likes that he had to be part of the trade. And maybe Smith will stink out loud. Bunch of numbers but red zone problems. But then, you have to ask is that a problem this flavor of the WCO.
while you roll with Colt you’re going to lose free agents. it is what it is. the NFL is on a less than 5 year cycle. it’s a constant rebuild. always. even the Patriots slough off talent and bring in new.
We weren’t going to be able to afford what Kirk was asking… move on and use the cap space elsewhere
Jarvis Landry
that’s my boy!
-Danny in Potomac
Eye test? Alex Smith is a better QB than Kirk Cousins. It’s not like Alex Smith is Mark Brunell. There was a heavy market for Smith.
Word is 6 teams were in play for him.
wonder if Denver offered them a 3rd and Talib
I don’t think there’s much separation between them. KC’s a better passer. Smith is a better athlete. They can both win with talent around them, but neither one is going to elevate a bad team.
Kirk throws more picks… Smith has a slighter stronger arm. Obviously Kirk is younger and knows the system
I actually think KC has the stronger arm. Until this year Smith was regarded as a weak-armed QB by NFL standards.
We won’t agree on that
We can now afford to e talent around Smith
One is a pussy and one is not.
Bet you can guess which is which.
not much separation, except in the contract details
Not much separation there either I bet.
I know this sounds crazy, but I’m already over Kirk Cousins. I’m all about Smith, free agency, and the draft.
who is kurt cummings?
I have no regrets about losing KC. That ship sailed a long time ago.
What else are you gonna do? Pine for the past?
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Not drinking this kool aid even for a second . Seen this shit too many times . Possible pro bowl corner gone and they don’t grow on trees . Alec Smith had Tyirk Hill and the best running back in the league at his disposal . Reid uses those guys coming out the backfield in all kinds of creative ways . Gruden is all about the pocket and the downfield game for the most part . I thought Smith faded down the stretch and his ability to win the “big game” is nothing to write home about .
Fuller might make the next 8 pro bowls but that doesn’t mean he would have done that here. He might have only ever been the #3 corner here. But it was disappointing that he had to be part of the trade.
I don’t like losing Fuller. He’s a good foundational piece, but is he irreplaceable?
No
No one is irreplaceable, but he’s going to be hard to replace. Going into this year I thought slot CB was possibly our biggest PON. Fuller killed it in that spot in 2017. Now it’s right near the top of the list again.
Myths aside, I can see a tag and trade with Denver because of their cap space issues. They would lose a bidding war.
Going to be really interesting to see where KC winds up, and find out if he’s willing to take less to play for a winner like he suggests.
Denver
He’s going to D_C’s favorite team.
HELLOOOOOOOOOOO CLEVELAND!
My guess is he’ll take less than what the Browns offer to go to the Jets but more than what Denver can offer to go to a contender
Jets would prob have to trade up to “get their” QB in the draft, so would Arizona
What winner is going to be interested in Kirk?
Denver
5-11…..not very good.
Thanks ball coach
64 – 32 over the last six years.
Well they don;t have the same players as the last 6 years they are 5-11 with a flawed team.
Yes, they’ve slipped recently, but in large part because they haven’t had a decent QB. KC is a decent QB.
So Kirk is better than Peyton Manning?
You’re a moron. How many of those players remain?
You should be wearing mittens and a helmet.
Denver is not a winner and has several major issues.
Most of their issues would be solved with a half a qb
Their o-line stinks and their D is getting old Kikr is not going to make up for all that.
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What’d I say last night?
That you didn’t like the trade.
That is was a 3 year deal…
…and I said I didn’t like the Fuller part… and I still don’t
Then we’re in absolute agreement.
I’m fine with the Kirk being gone and the Alex Smith being here part.
Me too.
Fuller was a bright spot. We didn’t need Alex Smith bad enough to give away a bright spot.
Stupid to covet some young DB in one of the few areas the team actually has depth, to pick up a legitimate starting QB.
We had a legit starting QB the last 3 years and played .500 ball. We needed to get rid of Cousins, but having a legit starter isn’t gonna solve the team’s problems.
Ding
alex freakin smith! for half the cost of cousins. i’m psyched.
Half the cost is a fantasy.
4/5
How about for 100% less the headaches.
first year might be (nearly) half cost, if the baseline is FTY3, but otherwise..
as currently configured, his cap hit in 2018 is 17 million
the 4 year extension… who knows. not sure how a signing bonus factors in there for 2018, but it might bring it into the low 20’s if it is structured that way, but if it is, that means that extension is prob just two years
I’m all about Quentin Nelson in round 1 now
I like this trade. I’ll like it more of the skins can figure out how to get some compensation for Kurt.
I’ll eat my hat if the Skins can figure out how to get something for Kurt. Best hope is a 3rd rd FA thing
Yeah. That’s is a good consolation prize
That tag and trade scenario is now a myth.
That’s what they said about yeti
…and now look… he has his own coolers
sad to see fuller, a fellow va tech guy and good young prospect, go. happy, happy, happy to have the cousins thing resolved. kirk, don’t let the door hit you on the way out.
Yeah. The skins are actually in decent shape at corner. I like Fuller but the team can absorb the loss
Reading various skins forums I swear that skins fans don’t know how to not be miserable
Kendall Fuller is going to be the next Champ Bailey and that third round pick will be the GoAT at whatever position the Chiefs pick. Lock that in!
It’s been a long time since we were a good franchise. I think all the 2012 RG3 hype had most of us excited as well, but then that turned into a shitshow. It’s hard to feel good about the team.
this was a more medium and rational move than either Mcnabb or the Trade
Much
Yeah I agree. They needed a way out from the Kirk situation, and Smith is a good QB. I’d have been fine if they wanted to roll with Colt for a year or two while finding a replacement, though. Smith is really expensive – I’d only justify spending that much on a vet if I thought he was gonna put us over the top.
Meh, this is as bad as the McNabb trade, IMO. McNabb was coming off 4 good years when we traded for him, and we gave up less to get him.
No, it isn’t. McNabb never had good footwork, it’s why he threw low when he was on the move
not going anywhere, but in all fairness, it has been damn arduous being a skins fan the last 25 years.
I think the Chiefs leaked the trade, including all the details, to prevent the Skins from backing out.
NOILRMOTDC
(no one is less right more often than DC)
Please stop. I really like coming here. Hell, I named the place, but the constant adolescent poo flinging really detracts from the conversation.
He can’t change, and thus he must go.
You know you can block posters if you want.
I know.
I did that at WaPo for a while. The downside is that you miss out on the actual football stuff, and I like what NPI, Scamp, etc have to say about football.
It’s their need to mock and attack folks that I’d like to block.
Well here’s me mocking and attacking you for not liking my mocking and attacking of you
^meta
I’m okay with what you say about me – we’ve met, we’re friends, we’re cool. Its shit like when you go off on DC or Walter that makes me wish people would quit with the fighting.
I haven’t gone off on D_C since we moved here. We are playing nice.
QGC and Walter are different stories
scamp, sorry i stated the FACT that christians, and all religious people, are irrational. it’s a simple fact. i understand it bugs you, but who the imaginary hell cares?
Blah blah blah
How was that Trump speech last night
thankfully, i did watch it. i drank beer and played chess.
i gather he did not mention the daca guys? kudos to you on that?
I don’t know… I was too busy blogging about Kirk Cousins, Alex Smith, and Kendall Fuller to pay any attention to Bloviate Trump.
I did notice and appreciate that, not that what I think is important… you do you. Between the Walter thing last night and now NPI resuming his hardon for DC, I’m gonna have to do me at some point. I never enjoyed the “friendly bullying” aspect of sports.
You gotta do you… know matter what.
I blocked NPI here for a while, but it’s annoying because it screws up conversations that he happens to be a part of.
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Pickerel?
Pike, so yeah, more or less.
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NPI, I leave you with this…
I am the poster who ID’ed Different Cat as the one that got Fenwick killed.
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Never has there been a more appropriate comparison to the biggest moron here who has some delusion that he knows shit from shine-o-la.
I don’t know shit from shine o la… mainly because I don’t know what shine o la is.
A colloquialism which dates back to the early 1940s in the United States, sometimes ended with “that’s why your shoes don’t shine”. Shinola was a popular brand of shoe polish.
Well… now I know shit from Shine-o-la.
My grandpa gave that definition.
Your score is: 19580 (GRADE: B+)
Your Picks:
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Round 2 Pick 12: Derrick Nnadi, DT, Florida State (B)
Round 4 Pick 13: Josh Adams, RB, Notre Dame (A)
Round 5 Pick 12: Deontay Burnett, WR, Southern California (A+)
Round 6 Pick 14: Micah Kiser, ILB, Virginia (A+)
Round 7 Pick 13: Deatrick Nichols, CB, South Florida (A+)
Round 7 Pick 23: Bryce Bobo, WR, Colorado (A+)
Put it on the board…..CHAMPIONSHIIIIIIIIIP!
Adams in the fourth
FYI we also block Twitter at work (that’s why I post the body of a tweet versus the link)
and I don’t think I have sufficient money to buy enough Tacos to change that rule
so if it is a really good tweet please include some detail in your post
Respect this request. Noone broke the trade story.
I’m in the same boat. Thanks in advance.
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I’m happy the FO moved fast on this and put it behind us.
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This.
Yes agreed
I’m not sure how you figure a negotiation that started in 2015 and ended in 2018 is fast, but I’m glad it’s almost done.
Fast with pulling the band aide off the Cousins deal and finding a replacement and moving on.
Again… this was the slowest bandaid pulling I’ve ever witnessed.
Haha, true
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I wonder how much of this is fully guaranteed at signing and how much is guaranteed for injury. We might be able to get out of it in 2 years
This is accurate, except that the Redskins don’t have Alex Smith under contract.
Not yet
Those might not even be the right numbers but it is really a 3 year deal I would think.
Ian CrapReport.
They offered Cousins 53mil at signing this deal is probably close to that and the rest is injury money.
36 and one foot in the grave.
-Tom Brady
think about it: we know who our qb is next year…. AND the year after.
meh.
But I guess if that is the standard of success, we are winning the offseason once again!! Go BA!
not saying bruce allen does not suck, but i’m happy to know who our qb is for the next few years.
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Different_Cat • 4 minutes ago
Your comment was idiotic, as was your assertion. Love JAllen, but he wasn’t a top 30 DT even before he got hurt. Fuller was a top 10 CB.
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So then you are saying, exactly saying, that Kendall Fuller is a better young member of the Redskins defense than Jonathan Allen?
Is that what you are saying because….well……that’s what you said. You used a statistic and ignored which is the better young player.
You are literally dumber than a box of catshit.
THAT is why you are considered a complete dumbass here and everywhere you go in your pathetic, sad, bald life.
“No one is less right…more often…than D_C.”
Plus, you got Fenwick killed.
Yes, that’s exactly what I’m saying, C. Dub. Right now Fuller is a better player than Jonathan Allen, who has a grand total of 5 pretty good NFL games under his belt. I don’t think anyone who knows anything about the NFL would dispute that.
What would it take to trade Reed I would want a 2nd rounder.
You’d have to find a GM who’s as dumb as BA.
I think a team would give us 2nd or 3rd no problem.
Or maybe a 3rd
I’d gladly take a third at this point. We need one.
I think you could get a 3rd for him
For a TE who averages less than 11 games a year? I doubt it.
“Follow your leader! ________ yourself!”
Injury history… not gonna get a second rounder, but maybe a 3rd
No need for QB mock draft
13: R1P13
LB TREMAINE EDMUNDS
VIRGINIA TECH
44: R2P12
DL DA’RON PAYNE
ALABAMA
115: R4P13
WR D.J. CHARK
LSU
151: R5P12
RB KALEN BALLAGE
ARIZONA STATE
191: R6P14
G KJ MALONE
LSU
231: R7P13
TE CHRIS HERNDON
MIAMI
241: R7P23
CB GREG STROMAN
VIRGINIA TECH
I like the way you think.
Love the first two picks.
Don’t forget the 2nd 7th
NPI, I leave you with this…
I am the poster who ID’ed Different Cat as the one that got Fenwick killed.
fappage – NPI
BAAAA-HAHAHAHAHA!
Maybe we hear of a Zach Brown signing soon too! Wouldn’t that be nice.
F Yes
We were def in discussions… now with the QB dreck cleared up we can show him some love.
Agreed.
He might want to test FA’s but he was better in 2016 and not injured and got nothing so not sure why people think he will kill it ion FA’s this year.
Fans seem to have forgotten that the Redskins drafted Kendall Fuller’s replacement last year, in the form of the highly rated, highly regarded Fabian Moreau, who was arguably 1st round talent who fell to rd 3 because of injury.
stated this earlier to no response. Fabian who?
You sounded like Moe, only your post actually made sense.
Zing!
Why are we drafting replacements for young talented guys the year after they are drafted?
I like Moreau, even if he couldn’t get on the field this year, but I certainly didn’t anticipate an outside corner being drafted to replace Fuller.
If that were true, it’d applaud the prescience. But I’d question the methodology. 🙂
Why? Because (1) Kendall Fuller hugely sucked in his rookie year, and (2) they knew that Breeland was about to become a free agent.
I’ll agree with both those statements. But I think Moreau was more a Breeland replacement than Fuller, to be fair.
You’re right about one thing (only): you can never have too many good CBs. That’s why they drafted both of them.
You can never have to many good CB’s and they can be used as trade bait.
No they didn’t, but it seems people forgot which round Fuller was drafted in.
Over/Under on Smith helping Reed get his groove back?
V.Davis will be targeted more
That would mean Reed being hurt again this season.
We’re getting the band back together
– Vernon Davis
They were together in SF, yeah?
yup
Yes
Ironic that we fire Scot, and then make a huge trade to acquire his highest-ever draft pick.
Smith and Vernon Davis are old buddies. They will have instant connection. Reed is always 50/50 for staying healthy. Maybe we can get 10-12 out of him this year.
Didn’t know Smith was a Dr.
Or a Jamaican.
– Stella
Man I just don’t trust Reed dude is hurt way to much, I would love to get out of that deal and move on but that’s a tough decision.
Wouldn’t be surprised to see Reed dealt away in trade for picks
I was hoping he was the trade, but……they got one already.
Would you trade Reed?
In a New York minute
it’s so bizarre to know who our qb is for the next 2, 3, years. weird.
Ikr?
– Jay
Eh…. we “knew” it in 2012 as well.
but that was an unknown commodity. we know what alex smith is.
This sums up how the Redskins feel about Kirk Cousins and his agent.
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Yasssss
Are there any slot corners in the draft worth drafting as a fuller replacement?
Moreau
Already on the team
Bingo! – Sherm
Their always are people hated the Fuller pick and some wanted him cut after his rookie year.
He improved 100% his second year.
Yeah but so could Moreu.
I think Moreau is going to be good.
I hope so…….
He could also come back to earth in his 3rd year.
Ha! So true. Remember that.
Same was true of Moses after his rookie year. And folks hated Murphy before 2016.
Who’s the next guy who sucks now that we’ll love later? I’m hoping its Doctson.
I’m not in love with either Moses or Murphy
Fuller was projected to move to the outside, so, yeah.
I am drinking the Alex Smith Kool-Aid. I think you will see a huge difference in Red Zone efficiency. Jay can now call his entire playbook and not worry about a signature Kirk Cousins interception in the Red Zone.
I don’t see Alex Smith as an upgrade over Cousins. He was playing on a better team with a better coach and an enviable running game. I think the two players are about the same, except one is older and willing to sign a deal.
And Smith is way better with the football. But I do get your point.
That running game went to shit after game 5.
yes it did. It’s why Alex Smith had to throw for 4k this year.
Well Cousins wasn’t going to be here and Smith is much better with his legs then Cousins and better in the red zone that’s fact.
We’ll see how much better he is in the red zone when he’s playing on this team.
He can also run a QB sneak.
Plus Smith is coming off the best year of his career. A lot of that had to do with his supporting cast, which was much better than Cousins’.
But wait… we love players coming off their best years! That’s a staple of the BAFO.
Sadly, the BAFO is far from BOFFO.
I’m happy the FO moved fast on this and put it behind us.
So… the trade is scheduled to happen March 14. What do you think will happen?
A) The trade goes through as planned, no drama
B) Somehow, between now and March 14, things… change, and the deal gets messed up and either changes or doesn’t happen
C) Somehow, the Redskins and/or Chiefs have ALREADY violated some obscure rule about who is allowed to negotiate with whom
C.
The trade is probably contingent on a physical so unless Smith has an accident before then it goes through no issues.
D. Damn
E. Easy button
F. Mara
D. Smith chooses to retire rather than come here.
It’s a bargain.
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We outbid Cleveland. Gave up a 3rd (we won’t get the comp pick –basically a high 4th disguised as a 3rd–until 2019). AND we gave up our [edit: second] best young player on Defense. Can’t see that as a “bargain,” even with the thickest, rosiest-colored glasses available.
Fuller truly is better than Jonathan Allen. Way better than Moreau too!
Seriously dude?
Lol. Sorry. Second best young player on defense. I’ll edit. You are correct. I forgot Allen b/c of the foot.
Still… whatever this trade is… good/bad/meh… it is not a bargain.
The contract may prove to be.
Just say best young player in the secondary, avoid the spin
Yes, he absolutely was a better CB last year than JAllen was at DT. That’s obvious. We’ll see what happens going forward.
You’re a fucking idiot.
Careful, Son, you’re not going to last long here with that kind of stupidity.
Doesn’t make my comment any less true.
Your comment was idiotic, as was your assertion. Love JAllen, but he wasn’t a top 30 DT even before he got hurt. Fuller was a top 10 CB.
The Kool-Aid is flowing. Drink up!
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Solomon Wilcots on #GrantAndDanny now: “I have been one of the biggest fans of Alex Smith. He plays the game the right way.. I think the #Redskins are going to be better.”
As BadRep pointed out, after this off-season, Smith’s deal with the Skins will look like a bargain.
Go build that bully on defense cot dammit!
yessir. We got better on offense for sure. Get a RB and fix that D.
FIX THAT D!
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I like Alex Smith as a replacement option. I do not like yesterday’s trade more than I would have liked paying another veteran less and keeping the pick and Fuller. But this isn’t a terrible trade. “Terrible” is how the Redskins handled the last 3 years of Cousins.
Right and Cousins had nothing to do with that, I mean all he wanted was a small contract and he was good to go.
Grant has always been on Kirk’s side.
He negotiated in good faith but we just didn’t want him.
Lol
Zig-Zag_BC Bad Reputation • 4 minutes ago
They get back NEXT year. Better to have just given the 2nd and kept Fuller.
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Also, we’re giving up pick 44 this year, and since comp picks are always at the end of a round, we’ll get back something like pick 66.
Were not giving up pick 44
Yeah, my bad, add 32 to both figures.
You and math.
We get it.
Inconsequential when compared to getting a legitimate starting QB.
Peeps can feel however…..meh…….
He’s 34 when the season starts. In today’s NFL….Smith can play till he’s 38-40. He shows no signs of being the shell of a player. If anything he’s probably better now than he was back in his last year and SF and his first 4 in KC. So we essentially got the QB position locked up for no more than 23.5 million from 2019-2022. Win. Since Rogers and some of the others will be seeing 30-35 million soon!
EEE
Superstars play well until they are 37-38. Brady plays till he’s 40.
Let’s just hope semi-star Smith can play well for three years. That’s all we need.
Yeah he will never see year 4 here.
George: I knew it! I knew God would never let me be successful!
Jerry: I thought you didn’t believe in God.
George: I do for the bad things!
i loved that scene. very funny.
Clearly a joke written by a Jewish guy.
One of my all time favorite Seinfeld lines.
I think we could sign Cousins and then trade him away. It gives u something in return and Cousins could have a say in where he goes.
You think wrong.
I know but would be nice if our FO did something out of the box to lessen the blow.
Non-starter does not equal out-of -the-box thinking.
Why would Cousins sign anything?
Maybe he wants go to Denver but Denver can’t afford him.
KC ends up in Denver
They have to cut and restructure guys to fit him in
Yeah they better build a o-line and their defense is getting old.
also, the little, spiteful child in me hopes cousins ends up on a bad team… is that wrong of me?
God will punish you wif. Jk
haha… not worried about that.
nope
Right.
Because everyone assumes he was going to the Patriots or the Steelers or some other playoff team.
Nope
I have zero ill will toward the man, I hope he has success. He’s a good guy.
kelly,
you’re a better man than i. i don’t have ill will or anything. he’s dead to me. and whatever team he goes to, i don’t care. since he will be on a team that is not the redskins, as a redskins fan, i hope all goes poorly for him.
Dang Smith to Vernon Davis TD blocked too
Also, now going into FA in about a month, the QB situation is settled.
Dang NFL blocks
Almost all NFL contracts are 3 year deals written as 4 or 5 year deals for cap purposes. I would think that after year 3 we will be able to cut Smith with a low dead cap hit. I doubt he ever sees year 4 of that contract.
1) Kirk Schmirk, Fuck that guy.,
2) Kendall Fuller sucked anyway.
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Baffled by reaction to skins trade. Anyone would agree they screwed up not signing him a few years back, but they didn’t. They gave up a 3rd which they get back as comp pick, and a quality corner for a quality starting QB for 3-4 yrs. that’s a very good move.
Bingo!
– Sherm
i’m generally pleased. i wish smith were 29, not 34, but otherwise…. he is a great stopgap measure. don’t like losing fuller, but i guess CBs are easier to come by than QBs.
Doesn’t fit my narrative-dc
lol
They get back NEXT year. Better to have just given the 2nd and kept Fuller.
That’s straight up retarded logic.
Sure.
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I don’t need to see you.
How can you through those glasses?
Meh…….
That’s what I’m thinking and now they have time to dev. a QB to replace Smith.
Smith can be a nice stopgap. He’s essentially an older Cousins and he’ll count less toward the cap.
Hopefully, it means Jay doesn’t have to draft “his guy” and if the whole thing blows up in a year or two, the new coach can draft a first round guy, and not have to waste a year trying to teach “Jay’s guy.”
Dude, I think we draft a QB this year.
what round?
4 maybe?
Naw, thinking third.
But we traded away our third
I knew that….
If it’s a 5th round development guy, I’m all for it.
If this is the price to avoid a first round QB, I feel better about it.
Honestly I don’t care. If a legit prospect is there in the first round, pull the trigger. But there is QB depth this year for sure so I’d take a dude this year and not make it contingent upon any particular round.
I see a team now that looks to be a lot better of a potential destination for FA’s than it has in a couple years.
And what if we go out and get Jarvis Landry…….We can now do that thanks to not franchising Kirk for 28-34.5 million dollars.
That is part of the deal. Hopefully they use the money wisely.
If only they had taken D Hall instead of fuller. *Snark*
“in the FOURTH round”
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I don’t even think it that expensive of a deal.
It’s a bargain. Just doesn’t look good for an organization that typically makes the wrong decision (in hindsight)
Schefter reports there were six teams interested in trading for smith
right and if Fuller was the deal maker than so be it.
I like Smith. He has really stepped his game up in KC. He’s great in the red zone, makes a lot of smart decisions on the field. He’s accurate, can throw the deep ball, and makes plays off script. He is an upgrade. Reason he doesn’t routinely throw for 4K is that he’s always had a running game. Cousins never had and threw for 4500, 4900, and 4000 because of the lack of running game. If we get ourselves a legit back in FA or the draft, Alex Smith will be fine here with the weapons we got, Crowder, Thompson, Doctson, Grant, Reed, Davis etc. Offense will be fine. Now time to fix the D.
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Alex Smith is held in much higher regard in the football community than what you hear and read in the wake of pending trade to Washington.
That’s because what you “hear” is the shrill gnashing of teeth we are used to hearing when it deals with the Skins.
That reminded me of “Where The Wild Things Are”.
Wish someone would send BA to his room without dinner.
Nooooooo-dc
I’m interested to see how Kirk adapts to another team.Things aren’t always greener and he does tend to throw int’s when big games are on the line…
I’m pulling for Kurt.
– BA
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What’s funny to me is the overall tone of discussion seems to be more along the lines of losing Fuller as opposed to Kirk.
Freaking hilarious.
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Steve Thomas Team Captain No Punt Intended • 22 minutes ago
I agree. It’s an insane way to look at this
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Insanity is expecting Kirk would’ve ever signed a LTD with us. Being upset about paying to fix an epic fail with your best young corner is hardly insane.
Anybody that thought KCousins was staying here wasn’t listening to their gut.
The Quarterback part is fine, it’s the cost that stings. Build through the draft. Alex Smith isn’t the “one missing piece”.
Dude you make it seem like we gave up DG28.
Chill out bruh. It’s gonna be just fine. F Fuller. He gone.
Nah, drink up.
Smith has juice left in the tank. 3 solid years of him slinging it around the park is what I expect.
Yes
They will draft a qb next year to groom
Don’t count out a mid-late round draftee this year
That’s what I’m thinking, especially with the depth in this draft.
Give him an o-line and a top 12 defense and he will not be asked to be a world-beater. He’s a better athlete than Cousins and isn’t nearly the pussy Cousins is.
Smith has had some great playoff games statistically
“Stats are for losers.”
– Charles Barkley
Smith one one of the top 3 or 4 QBs in the NFL last year. He looked like a totally different Alex Smith from what I remembered of him years ago.
Still has not had any legit #1 WR’s. Had Kelce who is a stud and a very good RB. I think he has more weapons here than he’s ever had in his career.
Yes, and I think the Redskins are going to go out and sign a vet WR for him, too. Couple that with a better running game and all of a sudden things are looking up.
They better.
We’re all gonna disagree. The proof is in how the season plays out. If we go about FA and the draft the right way, we can be in the mix. That’s the best you can do. Get in the tournament.
It’s done now all we can do is wait and see.
Yeah, who the F in their right mind would rather we’d kept Fuller and rolled with a rookie QB?
We have a legit QB who is easily now as good or better then his Division counterparts.
Who here would not have wanted that based on the understanding that almost everyone here had accepted that Kirk was a goner?
I totally agree with you.
The Redskins went from a Top 15 QB to a top 5, and it cost us a 3rd round pick and a slot CB. Having a clutch QB is something this franchise needs to win those close games that we always seem to lose.
Exactly how I feel man!!!
Well this is interesting I heard on 106.7 that when Fuller found out on SM that he was traded he had his agent call the team and the team told his agent he was not part of the trade after it had been leaked on twitter. If that’s the case totally different opinion on the situation.
All the details might not have been finalized.
Before guys like Schefter were saying it?
Dude those guys get info while negotiations are still happening.
Understand that these type of negotiations are hurried and fluid. We have no idea of the exact timeline, and 106.7 for sure doesn’t either.
That’s bullshit because his agent would be the one informing him he’d been traded.
Scamp/flound
What do you think of the trade
I hate losing Fuller but other then that I think it’s good I mean we needed a QB who can win games and is durable.
Thanks and I agree
Kirk was not coming back and you can’t trust McCoy.
A 3rd round pick next year is like a 4th round pick this year
So we traded Fuller for Smith and the loss of one round of draft status…
I don’t like losing Fuller but we have a little depth at CB. He was a 4th round pick…
I like Alex Smith as a QB but he’s getting up there…
In other words, I’m torn. I’m okay with letting Cousins walk… I’m not cool with letting Fuller go.
It will be interesting to see the real deal with the contract. These leaked contract details always seem to be a little off the actual details.
You couldn’t contact Fuller until the trade was 100% complete and by then the information was already out.
That shit gets out quick nowadays.
Yup. Peeps make too much of it getting out when it’s inevitable.
I just realized something.
C. Dub is “Curly W” from the Nationals blog, right?
Nah.
Ah. Well too bad. He’s one of the best/funniest posters there.
N_A_V_I ?
Nope.
NAVI is here as NAVI
He usually has some hot babe’s perfectly proportioned ass within his avatar, so….
He still does here as well
Everybody calmed down this morning?
One thing I realized last night… while Bruce is a turd… all this stuff was leaked in the media. Hence Fuller finding out about it on Twitter before being told by Bruce.
Still… Bruce shoulda called him immediately.
I can agree with this… but if the decision had to be made quickly due to pressure against other offers for A.Smith, then no.
What if the deal materialized that quickly? Sure, it would be nice but in this age of instant information, I am not surprised Fuller learned about his trade this way. BA – while he is an utter douchenozzle – may well have been efforting to get a hold of Fuller.
All that stuff to me is just minutiae. Besides, players always say, “I understand this is a business….”
Pretty much my point
I agree, and also: Bruce doesn’t call Fuller. Bruce is supposed to call Fuller’s agent. Maybe he tried and couldn’t get ahold of him at 9 pm on a Tuesday of Super Bowl week..
Right, exactly
Yeah, someone should have made a phone call as the deal was being worked out.
It sounds to me like the team was saying a player to be named later, hoping they could wait till the morning to talk to him, but the Chiefs leaked that.
You don’t call a player and say “We may be trading you” and then have the deal fall through. That would be stupid
Agreed
True. That would also suck. Being that guy for a team must be the worst job in sports.
The Lakers did that to Lamar Odom and Pau Gasol in the aborted Chris Paul trade, and it blew up in their faces. It’s bad business.
Not happy about losing Fuller but we should have depth at CB. This puts an end to the Kirk Cousins saga, Thank God. This will free up some cap space and now they know exactly how much $$$ they will have so they can concentrate on FA. We shouldn’t be drafting a QB at 13 so we can fill another need and we should get a 3rd round compensitory pick, in 2019, for Kirk.
We have to be careful how much we tread in Free Agency or we will lost the comp pick in 2019.
we’re not going to sign $120M in free agency
Well no… but the NFL doesn’t have set formula for how much you have to buy in FA to lose your comp pick. They judge based on your overall acquisitions during the entire FA period. We could lose the pick based on the way NFL chooses to judge our off-season moves.
The formula has never been made public.
The Formula is whatever Mara wants it to be.
Pretty sure it has to do with playing time not money
My only question is when can this get done so ASmith can get together with his WR’s and TE’s?
Considering the possible scenarios that would follow a KC departure, I have to believe our receivers are dancing around naked this morning yelling, “YIPPEEEE, YIPPEEEEE!”
March 14th
Thanks.
Yes trade can’t be official till the 14th.
at 4pm
Yes, but nothing stops Alex Smith from getting together with whoever he wants, as long as he doesn’t do it at Redskins park.
People making way too much about information being released on social media before the team contacts the player. That is the new way of the world now. People are very slow to except the fact that this is the way information will get out ! The future is now ! Stop crying about it and except it !
I tried to read your post a couple times but keep drifting over to your avatar, so, still, haven’t read it. 🙂
The idea of A.Smith, Reed (if healthy), V.Davis (former teammate and fav. target of Smith), Doctson, Crowder, CT, and however else we add… sounds pretty damn good.
Yep. Now lets get a LG and a legit RB. Don’t forget Chris Thompson.
Yup, I said “CT” in my comment. Chris Thompson.
Damn you Bruce. We coulda been blowing this blog up over the State of the Union Address. Instead, we have to wring our hands about Alex Smith and Fuller.
Fuller’s dead baby. Fuller’s dead.
– Butch
I’m okay with that. Like the kid, but that’s just part of the deal.
QB is settled before Free agency. I like that. Now buckle down and address all of the other team needs.
Agreed
Spending a high pick on a rb when they are more of a passing team is foolish
Draft DL and OL early
Gruden tried to run this year but couldn’t. He wants to run. He will run if he finally gets a top-quality RB. It’s a priority for this team, to me.
This team has to pass to set up the run.
Yes, but when has Gruden ever had a quality RB? Giovanni Bernard, maybe, at best? I think he truly wants to use the run to set up the pass more, but the team was just incapable this year.
Sure. I agree. He had no one who could pick up 5 or 6 yards on first down last season.
We were starting 2nd and 11 all the fucking time.
I mean, the guy is never going to be Marty Schottenheimer, but he does know the team needs to be a good running team.
Gruden has never tried to run his teams are consistently bad at it regardless of personnel.
Trying to do something is different than being bad at it.
Well, the team has been bad at it because they haven’t and don’t have a quality RB. Hence, the need to draft one high. It should be a priority.
We were fine at it before he showed up and Cinn has been good at it ever since he left.
We were fine at it because we were blessed with Pro Bowlers like Clinton Portis and the 2012 version of Alfred Morris. Now, we have Samaje Perine, an injured Robb Kelley, and some guy named Kapri Bibbs.
Trust me the RB wont matter much he had good backs in Cinn and still not good at running.
Trust me, things will look dramatically different if he gets his hands on one of these good RBs in the draft.
Cinn jumped from 19th to 5th after Gruden left and we went from 5th to 18th the year he arrived and haven’t improved since.
He tried to to it this past season.
It’s not his thing.
I would look to sign Bennie Logan, Jarvis Landry and Justin Pugh
Are you saying something that you have information on?
He talked to D_C.
Virginia Tech police on Monday arrested a student who allegedly had an “assault rifle” and tried to buy 5,000 rounds of ammunition, authorities said.
Yunsong Zhao, 19, is charged with one count of possession or transportation of certain firearms by certain persons, a university spokesperson said.
Court documents say he had an assault rifle and attempted to buy 5,000 round of ammunition. The arrest report says that Zhao possessed or transported an assault firearm while not being a citizen of the United States. The documents say he has family in China and had been in the area for six months as a Virginia Tech student.
==================================
thank goodness someone was paying attention and the kid was stupid
had he broken gun laws?
yes I would say so from the sentence “charged with one count of possession or transportation of certain firearms while not being a citizen of the United States”
That’s a racist law. He’s a dreamer
i did not know that non-citizens were not allowed to have guns.
The can get a driver’s license, health care, can attend college etc.
Why the F not, right?
can we restrict non-citizens’s rights to freedom of speech or religion?
No, no. I say extra MSG….no M-16.
I updated the story again to include Kendall Fuller.
In reality, 0% chance that a tag and trade works.
I’ve been saying that for weeks…delusional fans couldn’t ever accept that.
You’re wrong Colonel Sanders
No, I’m not.
I prefer the term – remote possibility
because I like to be an optimist
HTTR ! Draft for the defense, and it’s superbowl time !
We getting Cleveland’s #4 pick on a tag and trade for Cousins. Minkah, biyches!
Sending Kirk to Cleveland would be the ultimate F-U, but I don’t think this dream scenario will happen.
They need defense, yes, but IMO, they 100% also need to spend a high draft pick on a RB.
I agree, but I wonder if Gruden will pull for one being drafted high enough to get a real good one.
Damn
Report: Fox paying $550 million a year for Thursdays
Posted by Darin Gantt on January 31, 2018, 9:36 AM EST
Here’s why Thursday Night Football isn’t going anywhere, anytime soon.
According to John Ourand of Sports Business Daily, the winning bid submitted by Fox for the NFL’s Thursday Night Football package is worth $550 million a year. He also reports that the top Fox broadcast team of Joe Buck and Troy Aikman will not call the games.
The previous deal saw NBC and CBS share the package, which paid the league $450 million a year the last two years.
Fox will get 11 Thursday games for their money, and those games will be simulcast on the NFL Network. They’re still working on the digital component of the deal.
The report says that CBS and NBC submitted bids that were smaller than their current deals. That probably made it easy for the NFL, which combats numbers which show declining ratings with numbers like these, that they can fold and put in their wallets.
Off topic
Yeah so is 90% of what we talk about.
R-E-L-A-X
can we just move thursday to saturday?!?!
No. Antitrust exemption doesn’t allow Saturday NFL games before December
Yeah they have rule for that.
pppfffft… i don’t care about “saving college football”. it can survive having ONE nfl game on saturday night.
maybe that rule meant something when we had 3-4 channels to choose from, but, it’s a different world now.
Yeah but the NFL cares about getting sued for a few billion
Another night of Buck and Aikman?
No thank you.
As long as they can make money Thursday night football is here to stay.
Smith touches the ball every offensive snap. Fuller might touch the ball one time in the game and prevent others from touching it 5 times a game. Yet this is all about Fuller and not locking up a very capable QB.
Shutting down the slot, is touching the ball every play
That’s what she said
What’s funny to me is the overall tone of discussion seems to be more along the lines of losing Fuller as opposed to losing Kirk or the addition of a very good starting QB.
Freaking hilarious.
Value
a really good slot corner is hard to find
We found Fuller.
And most realists understand that Kirk was leaving anyway.
I like Fuller but cb is the one spot where the skins could afford to lose someone.
Totally agree!
good organizations keep their young Talent they don’t let them go and give up draft picks for an aging veteran quarterback who hasn’t won anything of significance
I like the move and I still think the team drafts a QB.
Cousins is dead to me.
I agree. It’s an insane way to look at this.
Tandler says a tag and trade is not possible here is why.
http://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/redskins-cant-trade-kirk-cousins-now-and-heres-why
Tandler is constantly wrong about these things. The other day he thought the Skins could trade him under the Transition tag and that’s insanity. (not having read his article today)
Have you seen his gut? No doubt his arteries are clogged with plaque resulting in less oxygen to his brain.
Tandler is totally wrong in that article
Yeah that looked off to me.
the whole thing could be executed at the same time (or nominally before) the Alex Smith trade. both could be submitted at 4:00:01 on March 14th
It’s not unpossible!
-Ralph W
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Best on deep passes.
I wonder how much input or involvement Gruden had in this decision? Smith is turning 34, so we must be gearing up to draft a QB as well.
He had none they didn’t even tell him yet, he found out when he woke up this morning.
I’m meh on the trade. Probably the best they could do considering how badly they screwed up the situtation from the beginning. Draft a developmental QB.
Don’t like giving up Fuller, also considering we are going to letting Breeland walk. Would feel better if we kept Bree.
We might keep bree now
Sure, maybe we re-sign him now.
But if we don’t, I couldn’t care less. Ever since Norman arrived Bree has been suffering a bit from some sort of an inferiority complex.
$9 million per year can fix that
Or exacerbate that.
That will make you go blind
Need to keep Breeland now.
I would not say we NEED to.
This might present an opportunity for the young Fizz Smisson.
– Joe Theismann
Don’t take any shiny bait today.
We can still f-tag and trade Cousins because all the moves between teams would be effective 4pm March 14
so we would not be over the rule of 51
Kirk could just not sign the tag though and then we can’t do shit
Neither could he
You think the Skins are going to hold on to him all year just out of spite? They would be even stupider than I thought then.
Why? If he doesn’t sign then they don’t have to pay him and he can’t go anywhere. Same thing we did with bSean Gilbert back in the day m
It looks petty and I don’t think it would go over well with current or potential future players. Or Kirk could sing the tag and then not agree to a LTD with any other team which would be necessary for a trade. Then we are stuck paying him or rescinding the tag
stuck paying him or rescinding the tag are not best outcomes for Kirk, and honestly Kirk doesn’t care that the Skins get maybe a 2nd round pick for him, after all, this thing would not be all that different than the Smith deal that was just worked out. trade followed by LTD. nobody is going to pull a fast one on it because it would be poison with the rest of the NFL, agents, and players
Spite has been a factor in many skins moves in the past.
they would have the leverage of being able to revoke the tag
Kirk would understand that he was to negotiate with another team, it would work similar to FA, only the Skins would get some meager compensation instead of nothing. Kirk would likely still be able to choose his team. Once that is worked out (permissions given), Kirk signs the tag, and the Skins complete the trade.
Force himself to sit out a year.
I idea is that Cousins and his agent work out a new deal with another team say like Denver
everyone signs a MOU and then we tag him
he wants to sign the tag to get traded and if he doesn’t the MOU penalizes him
Exactly
Or he could sign the tag and say FU and not agree to any MOU, forcing the Skins to either pay him or rescind the tag
Them who looks petty?
you don’t tag him before he sign the MOU that’s the point
Why the hell would he sign it then? kirk isn’t going to sign anything unless the Skins put the tag on him. he’s a FA he can go where ever he wants
the thing would not work if Kirk didn’t get to go “where he wants”
Kirk would get to go where he wants unless the Other team was going to balk at a draft pick or the Skins were unreasonable. but this game is pretty well scored. people know what the value is. everyone knows that basically anything over a 3rd round pick for Cousins is a win for the Skins.
because maybe Denver doesn’t want to bid against Jags, Jets, Browns
so they offer him a deal and Kirk decides he likes it and is OK to go to Denver
it’s a very remote possibility depends on how desperate Denver or some other team is
us trading for Smith up the ante some for other teams who want a top tier QB
If Kirk really wants to go to Denver then Denver doesn’t have to bid against anybody
F Fuller. We have some pretty good young defensive backs and will be able to draft a replacement and of course add legit talent to other parts of the team, most notably, our defense.
Nice move. Welcome to DC (in advance) Smith!
Oh and who has used the phrase, “Mr. Smith goes to Washington” yet?
In 2000, when Bruce Smith came here
DOH
Nice pull. I guess he was the one who coined that phrase for the Redskins?
jerry smith?
Timmy Smith?
I get it.
I had it below. But only because it seems the Post used that pun a bit in their stories.
Yeah, WaPo, along with “Hail to the Chief”
Compare Fuller and Moreau
Proven
Hopeful
Was fuller proven after his first year
No, but he was #1 this year.
I know all about Moreau, also, before you go there. Were you aware that he was projected as a Safety, as well as CB?
So he’s multi faceted
Great
It’s not about that. Bad trade. Would you be mad if they’d have traded Ryan Anderson? He’s a “second round pick”.
^ Bingo.
– Sherm
If KC wanted a second, why not just do that? You have Fuller locked for two more years.
Both considered 1st round talents coming off injuries when they were drafted. Fuller played at a Pro Bowl level this year. Moreau hardly played at all. We’ll see what happens
The Good: At least we can finally put the Cousins drama out of its misery. The Skins had no choice but to move on, he wasn’t going to sign a long-term deal here.
The Bad: Everything this organization touches turns into $%I#
Not everything.
Trying to think of something that hasen’t.
DAMMIT!
Chicken salad….
Steve, great article on Michigan State. Hammer should have been dropped on Penn State. Need to set the example.
there are articles?
Yesterday
I’m still not ruling out a trade of Cousins
Tandler said we won’t have the cap room and Kirk won’t sign any Franchise tag now.
Don’t have to franchise him. if he is willing to negotiate a discounted deal with a team he wants to play for who is willing to give up a pick so they don’t have to enter a bidding war then it’s possible
Why would Kirk’s chosen team have to enter a bidding war? He can just sign there if he wants to
If he hits fa his price will go up.
without the FT they have no leverage. the Skins could not trade him until the league year (free agency) begins. same reason this Smith trade isn’t real until March 14th. we’re past the trade deadline
they would have to tag him
and if he refuses to sign the tag, they could do him dirty and revoke the tag well after the best of FA was over (could they revoke it, like during Day 3 of the draft?)
he would sign the tag as soon as the deal was acceptable by both sides, and at that point, the Skins have no reason to do him wrong, they get what they can (little, but maybe more than a 3rd rounder) and move on
but there is risk in that. because yeah, it would murder their cap space if the thing was not resolved extremely early in FA
Smith is so much better in the Red Zone than Cousins. We will score so many more Tds with an experienced veteran QB who doesn’t turn the ball over.
And when he can’t throw one in, we’ll just hand off to Hun……..wait…
Guice baby, or Michel, or Penny
First game is when again?
You can’t apply KC to DC, if I can’t apply KC to DC. That’s only fair.
KC threw more TD passes last year than Smith has ever thrown in his 12 year career.
still a little sick about losing fuller.
alex smith is due for re-negotiation next off-season, right?
Signed a four year extension as part of the trade.
hhhmmmm…. ok. thanks.
Fact is, this is probably the best move they could do make given the situation.
But, they made an good move at QB after making several years of bad moves at QB, & that needs to be taken into account.
I don’t know, given the circumstances of where Kirk was in his career, that they could have done much better. It really would be not a rational move to have signed Cousins to a LTD as a starter with so little tape and realistic hesitation about some of his flaws. And then, it kind of snowballed. So rather than do the desperate thing, they did the rational thing.
Alex Smith is the Honda. And that’s what the FO did here.
Agree.
It’s like if you racked up 50 grand in debt doing dumb stuff in college and then finally got one of those debt consolidation things to “right the ship”
Best move in terms of maximizing the chances of winning 7 to 9 games next year, sure. Best move in terms of building a winning team over the long haul? Not even close.
Long haul could change if they draft someone like White in the 4th round.
This allows them to keep building the other 50 spots on the roster focus on QB as a separate issue.
That’s what they should have done, while holding onto Fuller and the 3rd rounder, for the long haul.
Fuller eventually becomes a FA
So would White
the long haul now in the NFL, is about 3-5 years. it’s a cycle. you get to keep your core if you are lucky, and if you win the SB, many of your stars will leave in FA regardless of what you do to try to keep them. because they can. you have to keep building and keep moving forward, but you can’t do that without a competent QB.
Still have our first and second and can drop back and recoup the third
i could happily live the rest of my life w/o hearing another word from kurt cummings’s mouth. glad i met ya. bye.
Yep. Good guy. Good QB. But at this point he’s like fingernails on a chalkboard.
he misplayed this. I mean, not maybe in terms of money, but I don’t think he had enough self-realization about how this could play out in terms of “team”
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Men And Woman Lie!!! #NUMBERS Tell The Truth!!! Offense Wins Games!! Defense Wins Championships!!!
Tell that to Tom Brady
Someone needs to stop him
Acting like a teenage girl
he is. he’s upset and he’s a 20-something child.
When’s the Alex Smith Presser?
March 14th @ 5 PM ET
give or take an hour
A pass has yet to be thrown but folks are so embarrassingly emotional over it that they deemed it a failure
Says the guy who’s still crying about a trade from 6 years ago.
That’s crippled the team
Hard to look past the damage that trade did to the team
Bullshit.
Yeah not having three years of first round picks had zero impact
Moron
We actually had a 1st round pick in 2012 if you recall. No. 2 overall.
And that player turned out how?
Flaming train wreck
How does losing a 3rd AND Fuller not do long term damage to the team?
And it isn’t like we signed Keenum (or Bridgewater or Foles or Bortles, etc) to a mid-tier bargain deal.
This contract doesn’t save us that much room.
You’re pretty fucking thick if you think it’s about the QB.
What did you want the team to do at qb
You have to trade talent to get talent
Draft one, build from there.
You’re not instantly better because you got A Smith. He’s not the missing link.
I’m going to go into Kool-Aid mode here in a few minutes, (any minute now, I promise) but let this sink in for those of you already toking the Kool-Aid J:
We outbid Cleveland for this 34 year old semi-star.
Yep.
But hey. One of the great games in the last decade was Brees vs Smith in the NFC championship. Heck of a game. That one time…
It’s an upside down trade.
Do we have to draw a picture?
Say what you mean DJ. Don’t hold back. Let it out.
Emotional outbursts make my 911 finger itch….
There are so many ways this rubs me wrong.
But the most annoying thing about it is that this is Classic Old Dysfunctional Skins.
1.) Let your own successful draft picks go. Check
2.) Trade too much for someone else’s aging semi-star. Check
3.) Sign aging semi-star to an oversized deal. Check
4.) Get laughed at by the media. Check
The only new thing about this is…. Ensure that you don’t come to terms with the only franchise QB you’ve drafted since … Sammy B?
Wells said, sadly.
that deal is about market rate
and most of the “media” is pretty medium about the trade
the old Skins would have given up more in terms of draft value
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The compensation always needs to match the production.
Smith at $23M per season is line with what he’s done on the field, particularly during his time with the #Chiefs. Wins and #s
Harder to pay Cousins $30M+ because performance doesn’t quite match “best in the game” money
If he was a FA and we signed him for that money I’d be cool with it. The killer is the compensation we’re giving up.
Similar to the rg trade right 🙄
Analogous
it’s not even close. it’s not even the Carson Palmer (Bengals-Raiders) trade
Analogous because we’re trading for a 34-year-old QB — not a 21-year-old QB.
he’s 34, fine.
yes there is some risk there
would you prefer he be 30? yes. but he is a QB. and because the nature of the game, the modern NFL, a QB can play until 37 or 38 until you really have to give pause. Not all. But I don’t think that’s a high risk factor here. but a 21 year old QB is unproven and untested. and maybe fit unknown. Smith is a fit here.
It’s not the RG trade in hindsight. That trade was atrocious… in hindsight.
But had the RG trade worked, it would have been pretty good. After 2012 we all thought, totally worth it.
What will it take to think “totally worth it” for this trade?
how deep do we REALLY think Cleveland was involved? did the Skins get played, or did they do what they needed to?
Apparently they really wanted him. Remember, Cleveland’s new GM, Dorsey, came from KC.
well, there’s your answer
they gave up Fuller because: Cleveland
business people made the decision they thought was necessary. pragmatic value.
what???
“Smith is in the final year of a 4 year contract extension. He has a base salary of $14.5M and will have a cap hit of $17M.”
Rumor was KC wanted Sua Cravens.
Way to keep the story alive…
i’d rather give him up than fuller.
I’d give up 3 Su’as for one Fuller.
Wasn’t Moreau a CN who was hurt and could have been a first round pick like fuller
Yes
yes. some thought he might still go late 1st round
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Never Saw Any Bullshit Like This In My Life!! Idc who i rub wrong because you never sat in a meeting nor put in work with my dawg!! People say they wanna win right but you throw away your best defender!?!? Somebody you can set a standard with?!?! #Defense will win championships!!
I’d get rid of him too.
enough with the emotional outbursts on twitter
i think players have always had these “outbursts”. we, and the entire world, just never knew about them.
You can’t say stuff like that in a public forum.
Despite being a bad look, he just threw the rest of his defense under the bus.
https://twitter.com/JungleBoi_Swagg/status/958701762302668800
NANANANANANANANANANANANA
He knows….
i can understand his frustration at losing fuller. and, damn…. swearinger’s a good player. and i”ve often wondered how he could have been lot go by so many teams in so few years. i think i’m getting an understanding, now. shut the fuck up and play better.
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They do and with good reason. He’s supremely talented physically, but he has almost no reps at CB in the league and none in the slot. This is a massive risk, but if they’re right about Moreau it’s one worth taking for a QB.
Moreau will step up. He was a big time prospect just like Fuller was.
he is. unproven. but he is.
I don’t see him as a slot guy. I’d move him outside and put Bree or Holsey in the slot.
people sleep on Holsey.
I loved that pick. Highlight reels are what they are, but his reels in college were against future NFL talent.
I am NOT saying he’s equivalent to Fuller. I’m not. Gut punch to lose Fuller. I’m just agreeing that the Skins have options at CB. They were relatively deep at that position, if though somewhat unproven.
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Um… that’s bullshit…..
True, Bruce didn’t make chicken salad
That also looks like a pile of cow shit.
I don’t think you get it.
I probably get it on a different level than you. It’s funny either way.
Pass completions over 2O yards (you know , deep balls) rankings
KC -6th
Alec -22nd
Kirk sucks at deep balls. A lot of Kirks big yard plays were screens to thompson.
https://twitter.com/JungleBoi_Swagg/status/958701210441277440
Can you imagine the SHOW the 9ers will have on their hands if Jimmy Garoppolo goes to Free Agency?
Ya’lls RB’s suck . What am I supposed to do with this shit ?
Alec
Woot!
the Guice is looooooose!!!
Speculation……. unlike K Fuller, who we knew was good.
I don’t think there’s much speculation that Guice is an elite RB prospect with elite athleticism. whether or not he would do well HERE is speculative, as would be his availability (unlikely even if 4 QBs go in top six)
Fuller is a gut punch, there’s no way around that. But you’re in better position with Smith than with Colt. Just the mere fact that Smith has been getting reps for so many years.
There’s damn sure speculation that he wears burgundy and gold, c’mon man.
Wait … WHO are my wide receivers?
-Alex
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Got to be out of your mind to fall back in the 1st for a 3rd.
We already dropped our pants in this trade. And you want us to do it again? Just for a 3rd?
Crazy talk. Unadulterated….crazy talk.
Stop
You’re embarrassing yourself with these emotional outbursts
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Please
if Arizona’s QB is on the board and they offer you a 3rd to move back 2 spots, you prob take it
but you don’t trade back until you know that someone like Allen hasn’t just fallen into your lap again
How about a little context? You wouldn’t move back ONE spot for a 3rd? Two spots? It’s all in the details.
This is a great article from Kansas City.
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/vahe-gregorian/article197529389.html
Haters will bay at the moon over that article
Greg you like the trade? I do. Def in the minority.
I do also
Smith will flourish and we can go about building the team
Bingo
See also
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/for-petes-sake/article197550224.html#navlink=SecList
Well I know people around here don’t like it. People around here don’t like anything.
I like the trade only from the perspective that at least the Skins aren’t walking around on March 14th with their pants down, swirling uncertainly, chasing down a vet FA QB to maybe a 2-3 year deal, then burning a 1st rounder on a draft pick
One good thing is that the skins moved on quickly. No BSing (phrasing?) this time. Like it or not we have a Qb for the next few years. We can focus on FA, draft and hopefully have momentum heading into OTAs
Agreed
Moving on
The only good thing, Kirk discussion over.
unless they FT him to trade him
Sure………………………….
completely agree on the “moved on quickly” bit. another several months of the kurt cummings saga would have killed me.
What the fuck?! – Walter’s cat
the thing is, they had to have looked forward to free agency and realized that all their chips were going to be in on Cousins and until that was resolved not much was going to happen even in terms of their own free agents who would have been sig over vet min to re-sign
Ditching Cousins is a nice relief. Like dropping a heavy ass ruck after a long ass march. That much is for sure true.
I think the BA is the one who got ditched .
Jay loves him some players that know the routes. Loves him some players that have earned the chance.
Which QB on the roster can recite the playbook in his sleep and has been with Jay since 2014?
Colt takes the job in preseason play.
BOOM!
Book it!
Superbowl 53 champions!
I see back to back titles happening
Glory!
Nice touch on the deep ball, better mobility.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuO5RdjKGyg
https://twitter.com/TSteegeNFL/status/958531889597333505
could be true, except they don’t have Cousins under contract
Yea statistically Alex ain’t never been “it”. But the eye seems to suggest he has a bit more killer instinct. I’m reaching I know…
smith appears to be damn good, even though he has not had the benefit of playing in a jay gruden offense.
He also had weapons out the ass.
At least it’s going to be interesting. Smith is going to be asked to throw more than he ever has. Jay’s QB averages about 550 attempts/year, which is about 50 more than Smith has thrown in his biggest passing years.
Tandler:
They can focus on defense—With the need at quarterback filled, the Redskins can go defense early in the draft. Potential game-changing players like linebackers Roquan Smith and Tremaine Edmunds and defensive linemen such as Vita Vea and Da’Ron Payne are now going to be on the Redskins’ radar. Or, perhaps they could look at weapons to make Smith mroe effective like WR Calvin Ridley. They also could entertain offers to trade down knowing that the QB position is settled (perhaps they can recoup the third they had to give up in the deal). They also have about $12 million more in cap space than they would have had they kept Cousins on the transition tag, meaning more money for defensive help. They have more breathing room to be able to re-sign Zach Brown and perhaps give Preston Smith a contract extension.
This is all I am seeing. This is where my brain takes me with this trade.
They should look to trade down to make up for the loss of a 3rd round pick.
Makes no sense that.
Going later in the 1st, to acquire a late pick in the 3rd.
Zero damn sense. Upside down on that deal.
I mean, is that what you trade back guys are used to here? Being upside down?
LMAO. To trade or not re sign a 2nd contract. Yea. They develop. SMH
They also should get a 3rd pick, in 2019, as compensation for Kirk.
Use some Kurt money and make your team better.
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How much Kurt money is actually left? Even at 32m, that only leaves us 6.5m to play with. Maybe we can get Murphy to give a hometown discount?
See below
hey also have about $12 million more in cap space than they would have had they kept Cousins on the transition tag, meaning more money for defensive help.
How long till Bruce calls him Alec?
Better or worse than the McNabb trade?
Or is this Brunell pt. 2?
Why do the Redskins love retread guys who were never superstars to begin with?
No GM since Beathard. No balls to hire one
Brunell pt 2 isn’t a bad comp for how this probably goes.
maybe this’ll be Rich Gannon Raider’s years all over again?
McNabb had footwork issues. Does Smith?
for next year, i believe alex smith will do as good of a job as cousins would have, for about 1/2 the price.
And we’ll still be on the field when teams convert on 3rd.
not likely to be half the price
You’re being nice
the 2018 cap hit compared to worst case FTY3 might be just over half the price
Smith hit Jarvis Landry in the probowl for a nice play….let’s go sign Landry. We need a WR anyways. Use some Kurt money and make your team better.
Now you’re thinking like me!!!
-Danny from Potomac
Post going all puns with their Alex Smith headlines with jokes like, Hail to the Chief and Mr Smith goes to Washington
Sweet
Let me take another breath here. And a long…long draw on this coffee………………….
Okay.
Here’s what we have, bottom line, brass tacks. A QB and HC whose careers are a window being propped up by a tooth pick away from being gone from the team.
Jay has to win right damn now or he’s gone. Where’s that leave Smith? Having to learn yet another system the following year. By then, he’ll me mailing it in and not GAF about stealing money.
We still got FA and the draft to go, but today. Nuh uh…the offense is no better than it was before this goof ass trade.
You have to believe that Colt McCoy is as good of a starting option as Smith to believe that
Because Kirk Cousins isn’t under contract
But yes, this team is, as of right now, probably a tick worse off than it was in 2017 because they have to replace Fuller
Sure the offense is better because Smith is much better then Colt McCoy and Cousins wasn’t coming back.
and they will have a fighting chance in free agency, though hopefully they still stay medium there
The good news is that Jays system and Andy Reids system have a lot of elements, they come from the same coaching tree.
I’m in the camp most the coaches much less FO suck. In season and offseason. No clue w skill positions. WRs CBs. RBs QBs… they have no clue. Proved it and continue
But opposing OCs are liking the defensive moves….
FWIW, Fuller was ranked by PFF as the No. 6 CB in the NFL last year — well ahead of Norman, Breeland, and Dunbar.
sigh… stop! and he’s a local guy from VT. i do not like losing him.
And again no single team would have given up a first for him
… you claim, based on nothing.
Strawman
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2754253-nfl1000-ranking-the-top-slot-defenders-of-2017-season
And what I said stands
And still has no basis in fact.
Bruce like view…
Nobody likes the fact that Fuller was involved
That’s just shit peeps say to avoid the chance of embarrassment, peeps that didn’t want to trade Fuller are acting like it.
LMAO
https://twitter.com/dcsportsbog/status/958549229634510848
KC had zero interest in staying here
I don’t want to hear anything else from him
Should have built through the draft, not give away draft picks and proven talent for a stopgap.
Looks like Steve & Co have some good material for a podcast.
And again the XFL gets pushed to the back burner.
Where it belongs
With Bruce
Skins should franchise Cousins and trade him as a final F U
He likely would’t sign the tag, leaving the Skins unable to trade him
Still a win. He doesn’t play anywhere and we don’t have to pay him
It would be a total douche move. right up Bruce’s alley
right, he wouldn’t sign it until he had a deal in place somewhere else; once both sides were kosher, then it would all work out
at that juncture, the Skins are not going to burn that kind of social capital across the league to screw with Kirk
He won’t sign
Kirk will have second thoughts about leaving DC, and God tells him he’s made enough money. Cousins agrees to sit as a backup to Alex Smith for vet minimum.
Puff, puff pass amigo
Yes, they should
but are they willing to play that game of chicken?
You would have to find a partner before making the move, and realize that you’re not getting much for him.
a 2nd round pick or equivalent is better than a potential chance at maybe a 3rd round comp pick
Hate the trade
Fire Bruce
and by fire Bruce I mean set him on fire
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wRS1zSSJOU
“Nobody thinks Fuller is the equivalent of a 1st round pick.”
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That’s where you’re wrong. Everyone thinks Fuller is the equivalent of a 1st round pick. Many regarded him as a 1st round prospect out of the gate, but he fell due to injury concerns. The injury hasn’t been a problem and last year he was the best slot CB in the NFL. IMO that makes him the equivalent of a top-15 1st rounder.
Time will tell.
Yep
Our team is not run very well. The proof is in the win-loss column. Alex Smith is not the answer unless the question is who is Not able to win a big playoff game even with a strong rushing attack and a strong defense and is older than Kirk Cousins.
The only reason he wasn’t drafted in the 1st was his knee. The talent was there. The knee created doubt. Well, he’s answered that doubt. And then some.
I traded that pesky Scot pick. – Bruce
I don’t disagree that losing Fuller is the worst part of the deal. had it actually been Cravens, then this would be a far less bitter pill to swallow
1st round worthy in a trade.
You would not get a 1st round pick for Fuller on the open market
Had the Skins put Fuller on the trade block, not a single team offers a 1st round pick for him
Or any Cornerback. Beside the point
Totally disagree. Proven second year player on his rookie contract, versus an unproven draft pick?
I agree with your sentiment. But nobody does it. MAYBE one of the very very very late playoff teams does it, but it is very unlikely. It isn’t a reasonable expectation. As Charlie Casserly said about the trade, this isn’t fantasy football. This is the kind of trade you make if you are in the situation the Skins are in. it’s the best (maybe) of a bad situation
We solved the Chief’s QB situation. And to make it even sweeter for them, we gave up Fuller and a pick.
This FO is a god damn laughing stock.
Relax
He hasn’t thrown a pass yet
But you know for sure that the trade is a failure???
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Sleepover went well, apparently. 😉
Aye!
Give up 2 players and 23 mil a year for 5 years for a 34 ye old.. How is that not failure ??? Wake up.
Seriously
Relax
Who did you want to play qb next year
Colt and a draft pick…or keenum or McCarron as bridges
Chiefs are betting huge on an unknown that could blow up in their face.
Skins should’ve done the same. Called grit. Balls. Something the Belicheks/Reids/Lynches/Rosens of the world have..
I hate fucking Belkin switch boxes been fucking with this thing all morning.
my cats are not even aware of this trade. they’re just doing their normal stuff this morning, like nothing happened.
Every single football fan I’ve told about it this morning, from regional corporate manager to raw materials truck driver
https://i.imgur.com/4qtH2Cj.gif
The dc area has no insider skins reporters I guess haha
Noone notified them of the trade last night, they had plenty of time.
True lol
This sucks
They haven’t woken up yet.
So all along Alex Smith was “Jay’s guy?”
I think this trade rivals the RGIII trade on the dumb scale. Gave up less (the equivalent of a 1st + a 3rd), but instead of getting a cheap, young QB we get an old, expensive QB.
On the other hand….
Greg agrees with you about trading out of 13.
You can’t be serious
This is not a great trade, but no, in my view, it doesn’t rank anywhere near the catastrophic RG3 level.
The rg trade was and is still crippling this team
it led to the Cousins situation
if they had just kept their picks, and maybe cautiously even drafted Cousins or Wilson in the 2nd round, either gets a full look with 3 other 1st round picks on the roster over time
Not in hindsight, knowing how that turned out, but I think it’s right up there from a “day of” perspective.
well… to be fair… we can’t look at this trade in hindsight yet.
Yeah, that’s my point. The RGIII trade looked bad on Day 1, looked pretty good after Year 1, and has smelled like old fish ever since.
the rg3 trade looked great right through the beginning of his second year. then… well…. not so much.
I condemned that trade on day 1 on principle alone regardless of how it turned out. They did it knowing they were going to be crippled in FA for years, and still went ahead and sold most of their draft stock. And gave up way too much for what should have been obviously a difficult translation to the NFL (that is, regardless of the player, the projection to the NFL should have been far more cautious)
Had the trade turned out well, it could have led to even more catastrophic deals later, with the FO leaning on false learnings.
At first glance it looks pretty bad. And it doesn’t even come with the hope of a franchise QB for the next decade.
Basically we probably have to pick one early this year or next.
It ranks up there with the Trade?
The trade that was made right after the knowledge of a crippling cap penalty
the trade that set Cousins back 3 years
the trade who’s opportunity costs were actually a known 3 1st round picks and a 2nd?
Nobody thinks Fuller is the equivalent of a 1st round pick. He may grow to become a really good player, but we don’t know that right now. This is not the Carson Palmer trade. It isn’t.
Nobody likes having to give up things to get things, but that is how trades work. The people you hear talking about this trade who are or were on the inside are pretty medium about it.
Who’s intercepting passes this year? Surely not the guy that’s “mailing it in”.
If they sign ZBrown and Bree
How do you feel then
Z Brown, definitely
Let Bree test the market
Bree can lay a hit, but his cover skills aren’t all that great, and he picks up way too many flags. Brown, absolutely bring him back. I think the FO made a mistake in parting with Fuller.
…especially since the Chiefs wanted Cravens instead.
Yeah, I don’t know how you don’t happily put a bow on Cravens and ship him off instead.
that sounds really spurious
is there a legit source that says that Kansas City wanted Cravens, or did Kirk Cousins want them to trade Cravens instead?
No, I made it up. Thanks for taking the bait.
Fuller had two years left on his rookie deal. Proved his value. You trade a 3rd and him to avoid giving a second when your second pick last year was Ryan Anderson.
if that was the thing, (2nd vs 3rd+ Fuller) then that sounds like a poor decision
Word is, the price was a second.
The idea is to get someone that will improve the team. He’ll be 34 in May. Maybe a top 15 Qb. 2-5 in playoffs. Hate the deal if true.
Yeah, baby…
Round 1 Pick 16 (BALT): DaRon Payne, DT, Alabama (B)
Round 2 Pick 12: Will Hernandez, OG, Texas-El Paso (B+)
Round 2 Pick 30 (MINN): Mark Andrews, TE, Oklahoma (A)
Round 3 Pick 14: Traded to Chiefs
Round 3 Pick 30 (MINN): Rashaad Penny, RB, San Diego State (A+)
Round 4 Pick 13: J.C. Jackson, CB, Maryland (A+)
Round 5 Pick 12: Poona Ford, DT, Texas (A)
Round 5 Pick 30 (MINN): Tyrell Crosby, OT, Oregon (A+)
Round 6 Pick 14: Mike White, QB, Western Kentucky (C-)
Round 7 Pick 13: Darren Carrington II, WR, Utah (A+)
Round 7 Pick 23: Richie James, WR, Middle Tennessee (A+)
Mike White would be in the same boat Cousins was in
First year full time starter- Y4, free agent.
To fully see the trade we need to see what they do with the cap space not signing KC affords the team
We’re paying Smith $23m/yr, we’re not saving a ton.
the cap is probably significantly lower
because if it is as reported, then it’s basically a 3 year deal over 5 years will almost certainly less g’d money than Cousins would need, so how much is bonus that gets carried over those 5 years vs the prob 20 mil more over 5 years it would take in g’s to sign Cousins
Twitter must be slow this morning, where’s all the Bruce love?
Since 2012
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Smiths qb rating
2-5 playoffs. Older and zero upside. Not a good deal. 34 yrs old when the season starts.
Smith is clearly not meant to be a long-term solution. He’s only here until we can find a Mahomes.
he’s here long enough in theory that you could could be facing free agency issues with some of the better players you select in this upcoming draft
I like it they made the best decision they could
This tells me KC was never ever going to leave a single dollar unclaimed
And we’re going to be big players in FA
Trade back a few spots in the first and recoup the third
“KC was never ever going to leave a single dollar unclaimed”
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we’ll see. he may not have left dollars unclaimed here, but i bet he will sign for less-than-max and play for a contender.
We’ll see
he definitely was going to cost us a fortune.
what would be hilarious is if the Skins STILL FT him
hahaha….
Trading away, to fall back in the 1st…to land a mid to late pick in the 3rd.
Please. Stop.
Trading from 13 to 20
You’re overdramatizing this
Go get a snickers
20 means saying goodbye to top 3 talent where we need it most.
To try and get a mid to late pick in the 3rd.
Go get some oxygen. You need it.
Top 3 talent? at 13?
Yep. The bound to be run on QBs drops guys in our lap that won’t be there in the 20s.
I’m going to need both a 2nd and 3rd round pick to fall back about 5 spots
-Firstpick
Smith just lost to the F’n Titans. Ugh
shame about fuller. i always enjoy having local guys on the team – and he was getting good. young and getting good.
“i’m just glad a deal was done sooner rather than later, as i understand rick was “fed up” with the whole situation.”
– kirk cousins
Now we need to trade back in the 1st round to at least get that 3rd rounder back.
Hellz no. Not even one spot.
Not for a 3rd.
Crapshoot. Dudes cant draft.
well, now we don’t need to burn a pick on a QB during our fake mockeries
this is another reason why it was a bad move. You need to keep your draft picks you need to be younger as a team not older we gave away our young star and for an old quarterback that can’t win playoff games. It’s a boneheaded dumb move
thus ends the kurt cummings era in DC.
In two years…they better go out in FA and bring Fuller back. Fuckers.
Folks are acting like this was a panicked, knee-jerk decision to get a QB.
I think it’s entirely possible that there were in-depth deliberations in Ashburn about Alex Smith. It will also be interesting to see a Gruden presser on the trade.
When that happens, it will be one question Alex Smith. Twenty questions Kirk Cousins.
Could be that Dan Snyder saw Alex Smith throw a deep ball to Jarvis Landry during the pro bowl:
*Dan stands up, points at TV*
“Get me that guy and that guy!!!”
So, you know… if they go after Landry…
All it would take is word that one other team was making a serious offer. That’s it.
So the Skins threw in Fuller to lock it down.
Panic.
If they sign a Landry and draft a Guise…..and improve all over in FA and the draft….we can be really good. Let’s see how it all plays out before we say this is such a bad thing. I don’t think its bad, but it’s my opinion.
Waiting on FS and the draft before I bring the ax down. But I am gonna be sit’n here sharpening it.
QB rich draft. Skins have no balls or confident scouting dept. 23 mil for a 34 year old….4 -5 years ? How is this not bad ?
Step off the ledge, dude.
They done went off the ledge. Im just looking down
if this were a trade for Aaron Rodgers would we still all b&m about his age?
Rodgers is a cap killer. But he does all every single intangible, and then some, that you want in a QB.
he’s 34
He’s also a heck of a lot better than Alex Smith. Rodgers can carry a team t the playoffs, Smith can’t
But so much better than Smith.
Come on man. Apples to apples.
so the issue isn’t his age, then
With Smith, his age is a factor. Definitely a factor.
Look….Rodgers would be granted being kept in a familiar system. Smith won’t. He’ll have to learn all over. Rogers has a much higher ceiling and brings more to a team. Smith brings, what…even keeled?
Rodgers, that’s just a bad example. That dude pulls wins out of his butt like nobody does.
none of that is at issue.
the issue is was he’s too old
so is he too old?
No
Not for an NFL QB in the modern era on what is likely only a 3 year deal.
34…that’s, gonna hit the wall any week now for a football player.
there isn’t a guy in this NFL draft that you can look at and say with a pretty high degree that THAT’s the Next.
Right. Sign a retread and give up the house.
I think everyone (or they should) recognize this as an attempt to make something decent out of a bad situation
And then there’s his history of concussions.
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Kirk was not signing here so we would have been stuck with Colt who is 31 and very breakable.
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This is the main point. Kirk Cousins was holding off negotiations until March and was still no guarantee to sign a deal here. We’d would have had to hold him hostage with another tag just to ensure we could negotiate with him. As a Front Office, they needed to secure a legit option at QB (the most important position). Now at least we can approach FA and the draft with the notion that QB is solved for the next 3 seasons at minimum. Alex Smith touches the ball 60-70 times a game. Fuller is lucky to touch the ball once a game. The trade was something of a necessity. Fuller is replaceable. I liked him but we got his replacement in Fabian Moreau.
I don’t like it
But I understand what they did and accept it as a reasonable solution
The question will always remain could they have done more and should they have done more earlier to keep Cousins. the Skins decided they needed to see more of him to give him a big contract, and honestly, I don’t know that there are many other evaluators in the NFL who would have disagreed. By 2017, though, because of what Cousins thought of his abilities, this may have been a foregone conclusion even though the FO still tried.
It feels like poor FO work, but I don’t think it was. I think it was all rational. The problem always was the 2012 Trade. That was THE problem. Not the player selected, but the Trade itself.
fair enough.
Moreau ? He had 56 snaps last year. How is he the top slot CB Fullers replacement ?? He isnt.
Marcus Peters, Kendall Fuller and Eric Berry is coming back. KC gonna be ballin in the secondary
They always have a good defense wouldn’t be so sure how Mohomes is going to do though.
But they still got playoff choke artist Reid calling plays.
Alex Smith had two things cousins has never had. It really strong defense and a really strong rushing attack, and Smith still couldn’t win a big playoff game. Good luck with that we got older it quarterback and by default older in the secondary by losing a 22 year old up-and-coming star in Fuller
Kirk was not signing here so we would have been stuck with Colt who is 31 and very breakable.
And we would have had OUR young Talent now we don’t and all of our draft picks. This is the over-the-hill gang version 2.0 it hasn’t worked every time we tried it the past it won’t work this time wake up Redskins fans!
We still have plenty of young talent and can add more what over the hill gang are you talking about did we pick up and old CB I don’t know about?
Our QB got a few years older that’s all. We can find a young CB to replace Fuller or Moreau can develop to do the same thing.
Exactly. We dont have a legit GM. Fact.
This trade is ridiculous. We got much older as a team and lost a young Talent The exact opposite of what good organizations do.
amen
organizations crave certainty
and that is what happened here
and if anything, that should help the Redskins in FA
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That dude is such a clown. How the F is this about him?
LOL yeah RG3 had to make a comment.
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Upset about Kendall Fuller being traded? @CharleyCasserly sees it as a necessity to secure up the QB spot before free agency and the draft.
http://bit.ly/2nvoyTd
He drafted Schuler. Nuf said
Geez
lol
And Des Howard w 1st picks….smh
That’s some silly logic.
The team has a QB who’s been in the system since 14′
Players weren’t going to get excited over Colt sorry.
Plus Smith is very durable.
Plateaued and old. Uneven draft compensation and pay. DUMB
Laughable is the FO to the sideline. Love to see Dan clean house today.
Yea. That’s not going to happen. But keep on trying. Maybe the football gods will hear you and throw ya a bone.
Surely he sees the nonfootball IQs of these morons
Don’t count on that
I’m not.
Go all in, bet everything you have…
Not negotiating until March…..don’t let the door hit ya on the way out Kurt.
At least there’s that. And it’s a big that.
Fuck that guy.
I’m glad that that dead weight is gone. Fucking cancer.
could have guessed what other teams were going to offer, it’s clear that people are talking
could have guessed what the salary cap is going to be, projections usually aren’t but a mil or two off
or maybe he already knows all that and so did the Skins and they were not going where the market is
be curious if the Skins pull something higher than a 3rd round comp pick out of this
and remember as Noone likes to remind us, the comp picks are not for each player they are for Free Agency as a whole, so there is no g’ that the Skins get anything in comp picks.
I’m pretty sure TI will report this story next week.
LOL
Backasswards GMing
Not if you think about how this was otherwise going to end. You walk into Free Agency with Colt McCoy, even IF you think can still make a run at Cousins (or Garrapolo or one of the Vikings QBs). while you’re doing that Zach Brown is gone. no chance to sign Jarvis Landry et al.
5 year deal? A 3rd round pick ?A CB that is legit and worth a 2nd rounder ? Shitty move.
the Fuller thing is a puzzle, but I’m guessing it’s what beat Cleveland’s offer
It’s being reported that KC was pushing hard for Cravens, but settled for Fuller.
Dumb and dumber negotiators
the deal is probably defacto 3 years
Plataeued QB.
Bad dream.
This trade actually has me feeling for Jay
And if you know my thoughts on him….
Jay was involved in this trade, probably had a lot to do with it in fact.
Is that, in fact, a fact?
I thinks it’s laughable people think they traded for a QB and Jay had nothing to say about it.
See there, now you just injected that into the stream. I have not heard that until just now, with your own breathe.
Casserly thinks the trade is a push, but he thinks what Smith can do on rollouts makes him an even better fit for Jay’s offense than Cousins (in that regard)
Smith is much better with his legs.
Hey Bruce. Go out and get me a 34 year old QB. I’m dying to get a 34 year old QB into a new system!
No more like hey Bruce get me a QB I can win with because Kirk is not going to sign here.
Now work out winning with a 34 year old, in a new system, in this division.
Please Smith will win games in this division and he will have no problems learning Jays system dude is a professional.
How many games do you think we would have won with Colt and how many did we win with Kirk?
OMG please stop telling us who made which decisions in Ashburn
That’s my opinion and makes sense unlike thinking they did this behind Jay’s back that’s just stupid.
It makes no sense.
What the hell does a guy who needs to groom a QB for his long term success want an old horse like Smith under center for?
Because NFL coaches need to win now not take 5 years to groom a QB. You think Gruden will be around for long if they don’t win.
A rookie buys him a year.
Smith will buy him a few years because we will win more with Smith then Colt or any rookie.
agreed
and jay just wants a competent guy for a run long enough to make progress… he was “done” with this 1 year stuff too.
I will tell you whatever I want if you don;t want to read it then don’t.
Why you all up on Kelly’s comment?
Why are you nit picking every comment I make today?
I’m not, you’re walking around the room with your dick out, telling everyone how this or that is fact, like you were in the room when deal went down. C’mon flounder….
It’s my opinion you have yours also if you don;t like mine then don’t comment on it.
You comment on mine when I say it was a bad deal, should’ve kept Fuller? What, you got a hall pass?
Yes I commented but I didn’t put you down for your comment.
Well I apologise if I put you down, I’m kinda cunted up about this shit.
Alex Smith and Colt. Throw in Luke Falk, Mike White or the kid from Richmond in the later rounds.
I’m fine with that. I’m tired of seeing this team being blackmailed.
Now go back to the part where they didn’t keep three QBs last season
Stash him on PS
3rd rd draft pick and a young defensive starter for a 33 soon to be 34 yr old QB? Hate it if true. Not the direction I thought this team was going
Where I am as well. Hope it works out but I don’t think this is the right way to build
We still have plenty of money to build.
Not just about the money. I think this trade only makes sense if we’re thinking we’ll be contenders in the near future. I don’t believe we will be. I’d rather keep the young talented CB. By the time this team is ready to compete with the best (if that ever happens) Smith will be pretty damn old
Junkie stunt
meh
Aaron Rodgers is the same age.
QB is the rare position where a guy in his middling 30’s can still have a stroll of 3, maybe even 5 pretty good seasons left.
I don’t like the trade, but what Casserly was saying is that they made the best they thought they could of a bad situation. Now… should they have done things differently two years ago? One year ago? Maybe they couldn’t.
I appreciate the optimism some dudes are showing. But look, we still have the most expensive QB in the division and are no more competitive in the division with this QB than we were with that other guy.
We are though, suddenly quite a bit older at the position.
We were not going to have the other guy so take him out of the equation.
You think k0n wants Kirk? Stop sleeping through meetings.
No but he made mention of the other guy like we had a choice.
I’ll let him tell you.
Dude are you just going to nit pick every comment I make today? If so don;t bother.
Dude, you jump on anyone’s comment who disagrees…..how you like that?!
Casserly also mentioned that he thought Moreau was a better prospect coming out of college than Fuller, (but whether he develops or not, we don’t know)
I remember a lot of people on here saying Fuller was a wasted pick after his rookie year.
You
Nope not me but a lot of the same people whining now that he is getting traded.
I remember some of the popular ones. (evil grin)
I’d love for him to be right
One thing that may make this more attractive is if a QB like Allen or Mayfield is sitting there at 13. We could probably unload that pick to some team that’s attracted to them.
Fact.
Trading back might be an ideal move if the opportunity presents itself
Prob have Cousins, Garappolo, and at least 1 of the Vikings QBs as pegged starters for teams in the top 13, though. We will see. Allen is probably now a serious #1 overall contender. Might have four QBs go in the top six or seven picks depending on how FA works out.
maybe also Ryan Tanehill
I would have rather hadColt and draft a quarterback.
Alex Smith > Colt, but I don’t know if Alex Smith > Colt + the rest of the compensation combined.
Right….. like A Smith was the missing link. Bad trade, too expensive. Bruce is a desperate man.
that’s going to mean a lot of guys leave in Free Agency
clear to me that the Skins did not want to go into Free Agency without a guy they thought they could get and keep guys with at QB
Charlie Casserly was just on the junkies saying he’d have done what the Skins did if Cousins wouldn’t accept the deal, in major part because you don’t want to go into FA without a QB
Yep
Knows the system. Has the support of his team mates (not saying Smith won’t) But more than anything, it’d save a butt-ton of cap loot for FA
If it’s a 2019 3rd, the deal is more attractive for the Skins. Very well may be too, the cost to get the Chiefs to accept was Fuller instead of someone like Preston Smith.
I’d give them Colt and Smith, HA!
There is still a lot of time for this to fall through
Was thinking the same. Regardless, Kirk is definitely gone even if the Smith deal falls apart.
Everyone should have kinda known that by now. Gut
Happy Wednesday!
Lol
Here are some FA CBs.
http://walterfootball.com/freeagents2018CB.php
There will be plenty of options at CB.
I know. And we got $$ now to do more with in FA instead of giving 30 Million to Kurt.
meh, Smith’s cap hit is prob going to be high teens to 20 first year, so yes, but not swap meet money like the 9ers and Browns have
So assuming Breeland walks as well who starts on the outside opposite Norman next year. I guess Dunbar gets the first crack at it. He’s made strides but he gets pretty grabby at times. I could see a lot of penalties in his future
We have an entire FA’s period and draft to answer that.
I’m not a fan of the “draft a guy in the 5th round and develop him” QB school of thought. Those dudes never play. Nate Sudfeld is never going to be a legit starter in the NFL. Chase Daniel…..Sage Rosenfels, etc etc. If the Skins release Colt and draft a guy, he’d better be a 1st or 2nd rounder. Let him sit and marinate behind Smith for 2-3 years.
Maybe Josh Allen drops in the draft and the skins grab him and let him sit for 2 years. And maybe monkeys fly out of my butt.
I don’t think they pull the trigger this year, given that Smith’s deal is ostensibly a 3 year deal, unless the g’s being thrown around are not “at signing”
I don’t hate the trade. Kendall is legit but the skins are actually pretty deep with young corner talent.
There is a drop-off, don’t talk yourself into ignoring that.
We have FA’s and a new draft to get a CB we have no idea if their will be any drop off.
Fuller goes All-Pro next two seasons…..Champ.
I don’t see Portis walling through the door.
Or Fuller settles in as a good CB nothing more.
He gets that ball too much to stay off the highlight reel.
Sure. But resigning Bree out s back in play and Moreau had a lot of upside
I wonder what year the 3rd round is.
Tomorrow
This year I would assume.
Awesome
It’s a 3rd round pick we can add a 3rd round pick if we want with a trade down. Plus we will get a compensatory 3rd round pick for Kirk.
2019
I’d have been fine with drafting and growing that way.
We can still sign Breeland…we can draft a CB….We can also sign Fullers bro, Dunbar can step up and so can Moreau. At least we had some semblance of depth at CB…we had Colt McCoy and ……………………………….. at QB.
The FO obviously wasn’t comfortable handing the keys to Colt and drafting an understudy for 2019. Skins are set at QB for 2018, doubt they take a QB in the draft now…unless releasing Colt is part of the position makeover.
They can save money on cutting Colt, but I’d keep him. Need a quality backup.
Agreed.
I’m going to miss Kendall Fuller but I’m not going to miss talking about Kirk Cousins 24/7
Bingo.
Sherm
We’re not done hearing or talking about that guy. Not by a long shot.
It is the beginning of the end though. Maybe.
Since I don’t read the post anymore I won’t have to read about each time Kirk take a productive shit.
Yes thank God it’s the talk is over.
I’m sure Hope will still mention every TD pass he throws in Denver next season, if he hasn’t jumped off a ledge yet
I can’t wait to mock draft now, not having to worry about the QB sucking up a 1 2 or 3.
Wanna bet?
Better keep drafting them.
Doesn’t make tight throws. Struggles with intermediate throws. Jumps out of the pocket at the sound of footsteps. 34.
Still have to hear about frign Cousins.
Colt McCoy is probably the most upset person in Ashburn. He had a legit chance at being the guy in 2018.
No he didn’t
He thought he did lol!
You’re gonna miss Fuller. You’re gonna miss that draft pick.
No doubt. I’m already over it though.
Sure, sure.
Loved Fuller, gonna get better too.
Not if we trade back from #13 and net another 2nd or 3rd. Moreau should step up. He had a 1st round grade last year and slipped due to the peck injury. It’ll be OK man. The Kurt Drama is over now! Let’s all shotgun some beers!!!!!
Fuller had a first round grade and held up his end of the bargain.
Do you remember when Fuller kinda sucked and people called him a bust? Said his knee was too risky and he was a gamble in the 3rd round? I do.
“people”? Who, the Twitter whores on here? Meh….
That dog don’t hunt
Maybe but we will see.
Draft pick’s not that big of a deal since they get an extra 3rd rounder next year most likely but I agree with you on Fuller. Don’t like giving away young talent for high priced veterans.
Fuller is a first round talent, no matter that we drafted him in the third.
Absolutely, he played at a Pro Bowl level this season
Colt under contract for $3.6M, only $600K dead. Keep him? I say heck yeah.
Still need a backup, and he’s very capable in that role
$3M is too much
Alex Smith and Vernon Davis reunion….LOL
Unusual for a story of this magnitude during SB week. Very unusual.
Like when ARod signed a big deal during the World Series
Good pull right there, Alex.
I still think it’s funny that we can tag and trade Kirk. I know we won’t but if Bruce is as cunning a business man as they say and he should be exploring all options.
It would be a FU move, do it minuts before the deadline but trade offers would be lowball
At this point I’d do anything and everything to get as much as we can out of this situation. But total FU move!!!
They can’t afford to take the chance that a trade isn’t done before free agency starts.
I know, but technically its an option. Kirk probably wouldn’t sign the deal anyways. He’d know what we were up to.
We should work in more RPO with Smith. We’ve run that a little with Kirk but it should be a bigger part of our offense with Smith
Yup. Kinda how Foles lit up Minnesota. RPO plays right down the middle.
Smith is much better with his legs then Kirk is.
How are we able to discuss a contract extension with Smith before the league year starts? I guess because he’s still under contract?
Yeah because he isn’t a FA.
I’ve always liked Smith, and like him even more now. On the surface, he’s the perfect QB for Jay’s O.
Lots of teams were going after Smith so if you wanted him you had to give up something.
dude I’m stoked. Alex Smith can play. Proven Veteran. Knows how to play QB. Makes tons of off script plays. See what he did against us this year. Tons of clutch plays on 3rd down.
I have no issues I mean I want to see what they do the rest of FA’s but QB is good.
Yup, The cost of the QB business in the NFL these days. His $18M salary for 2018 added to the cost too, that’s very attractive.
I’m so glad this is over. Welcome to Washington Alex Smith. Hopefully the FO gets an NFL caliber RB and a deep option for you. Got a young talented Oline…and one of the best pass catching 3rd down backs, and slot WR in football!!!
Me too hated all this Kirk crap.
Smith’s salary for THIS year is a real bargain, assuming of course the extension didn’t affect it.
I don’t think it does. 14.5 million for 2018.
Yeah, I’m assuming it won’t.
The only thing I have is, I want to know what talks the team had with Kirks agent this offseason. Did they get told flat out that he wouldn’t negotiate? Or did they never actually talk period?
None. Kirk said he wasn’t gonna negotiate until March. F you Kurt. FO has a team to run. Can’t wait till March to address the QB conundrum.
Why does that matter it’s been well known that Kirk wants to be a FA he wasn’t going to sign here.
What is said in public, vs at the table are always different things.
Kirk said he wasn’t talking until March this was over a long time ago.
And we learned that they talked way more last year than was let on at the time.
Kirk never countered their offer he has no intention of negotiating here.
I’m going after Sammy Watkins or Allen Hurns, and drafting that Guice kid or any RB that can help us day one. Shoot maybe even sign Carlos Hyde. Bottom line is we don’t have to worry about sub par QB play in 2018 or 2019 for that matter, maybe not even until 2022!
Yes, need legit weapons for it to work
Smiths deal will most definitely have an out after 3 years as no NFL contract is guaranteed for years the length of the contract is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is the signing bonus money.
‘Morning, peeps! Anything knew going on in Ashburn?
I will miss Fuller, I love his moxie and the way he’s developed. That said: Onward.
Damn I had to refresh before I could see any of the new post their is everyone.
How’s Bruce doing this morning? Feeling pretty good about himself?
Considering Cousins was leaving either way and we needed a QB I’m fine with it.
I don’t care about Cousins, set that aside. The cost was too high.
3rd round pick we can make up I don’t like giving up Fuller but he can be replaced.
It’s bad. The cost was too high. We’re not going to get better, giving away talent.
Were not going to get better not doing anything either.
That one piece (Alex) was not worth a 3rd and Fuller, not unless you’re someone desperate to get past your failure with the last guy. Definitely not worth it to the team. What? You gonna start winning games all the sudden?
Celebrating with a silver bullet for breakfast.
Yeah, no shit.
That happens if you log out or are on a tablet i find
If I was a Chiefs fan, I’d be in a good mood today.
-potential QB drama solved
-a 3rd round pick
-a young, solid CB with the potential to get even better
I’m sorry but I think this is good. Lot’s of people poo pooing it all over. Cousins WAS NOT GOING TO SIGN HERE. So we averted a 28-34 million dollar ONE YEAR DEAL and at least now have some stability at QB with a guy who has veteran’s moxy, and tons of big game experience. Go get a stud RB and a deep threat and this offense will hum just like it should.
I would have rather we save the money from Kirk leaving, put it into the defense, and develop a young QB. We ain’t going to the SB anytime soon regardless, might as well go young and build through the draft.
We still have plenty of money to put in the defense we had over 50mil in cap space.
Yea, we got a lot of work to do on that side of the ball though, especially with Fuller gone
You don’t trade your best young DB and a third round pick so we can maybe not finish below .500 next season, fucking shit deal.
Kirk wanted out for sure. And I think even Jay was done with him.
That’s how you have to look at it Kikr was not negotiating here.
Right. The Roll with Colt Cult……not sure I wanted that or a rookie QB. I’m sure the contract will have an out in a few years if Alex Smith suddenly shows his age, but he’s in good shape. QB’s play longer now anyways.
I don’t think anyone wanted to roll with Colt…not even Jay.
I think Jay was totally over Kirk. That being said, I wonder if he was happy with this deal. He’s always had faith in Colt, who’s a lot cheaper, even if that faith doesn’t really make sense
Gruden was in on this trade to think otherwise is ridiculous.
Alex Smith under contract for 14.5 Million in 2018. That’s 10 million in cap savings right there.
They gave him a new deal we need to see numbers on that first
Still think he gets his 2018 salary from Chiefs. We extended him.
But a deal like that could have a signing bonus we pay part of in the 1st year where we can afford it.
I really liked Fuller’s play this year. We now have the cash to go sign his older (26) and more experienced brother in Free Agency!!!
Bree is the one person who is stoked about this whole deal.
Fabian Moreau is your Fuller replacement. He had a 1st round grade the same as Fuller had….slipped due to injury just like Fuller did.
But, less proven than Fuller was in his 2nd year
Would have liked to see both Moreau and Fuller develop into a solid CB duo and let Norman walk next year.
Guess we need to start looking more at CBs in the draft. i know we’ve got Moraeu, Dunbar and Holsey but two of those guys are unproven and we need depth for sure. Denzel Ward and Josh Jackson are 1sr round guys, although I doubt we go that direction in the 1st
Funny thing is we can (although it’s not happening) franchise tag and trade Cousins to a team that doesn’t think it could win a bidding war.
Hello Denver
The more I think about it, the trade itself was fine. A starting QB for a potential starter at CB and a potential starter from a 3rd rd pick.
Great CBs don’t grow on trees, but Fuller was a good CB, and there are 5 of those every draft.
I don’t like paying an old guy 71 mil guaranteed. I don’t think we’re a good enough team for this trade to be of any real benefit to us. We aren’t winning anything with Alex Smith in the near future
Hopefully the contract details, when they come out, will include some kind of out after 2 years for us
It’s Bruce Allen, all his deals do.
Since Kirk will be leaving via FA, do we still get a comp pick for him? A 3rd in 2019 (depending on who else we lose/sign in FA this year)?
Yes 3rd round in 2019.
Yes, if we don’t end up signing a buch of big name FAs
Wow I guess the morning guys are to stunned to post.
Trades for QBs haven’t worked out great for us in the past…
Once in the 60s it did
True, Bruce has been involved with 3 of these trades now though…maybe 3rd times the charm
3? I guess if you counted the draft pick trade for RG3 yes.
I do, that’s a trade for a QB
Founder…..oh flounder…….where are you……
Don’t tell me Jay is excited to work with a 34 year old QB
I wonder how the guys on the team feel about this trade. I think Kendall Fuller was well liked and thought to be one of our better players on D
DJ and Foster are twisted up about it, from someone’s tweet yesterday
Yea…tough to see this happen and pretty much only find out about it on Twitter. I get that this was a sudden thing but they should have given Fuller a heads up.
Bruce is a loser.
It was weird waking up to this news the radio kept teasing something big happened but wouldn’t say what it was.
Trades are supposed to make the team better, stupid Bruce
No, the draft makes you better, trades and FAs fill holes
No
Yes
No dude.
You make trades to improve your team.
You don’t give up starters and picks to fill holes.
All things considered, the trade is not bad, team probably thinks they cannot get a top QB at 13. So this locks things up at the spot for the rest of Grudens contract, and I think Smith fits what Jay wants to do.
But in 10 years, 20 years, people will look back at the skins handling of their 2012 QBs and it will be one of the NFLs all time screwups.
This deal would only make sense if we thought we were contenders. We ain’t. We’re still a mediocre football team. I think this is a poor way to build
I think Jay always wanted Kirk to take more chances downfield. Does Smith do that? I haven’t watched him enough to say.
But overall, I think Smith is a solid, under-rated QB. He has a recent history of winning.
Smith does, was watching ESPN said smith led NFL in TDs over 50 yds
I thought the knock on Smith for many years was that he DIDN’T go down the field enough
In SF yes. He changed in Dorthyland
I think he got better when the guys around him got better. Having Tyreek Hill was huge for him. There was one season in KC though where he didn’t throw a single TD pass to a WR
Well, I’ve slept on it…Still hate this deal. This was a total Vinny move
I wonder how much input Jay had on this deal.
If it works Bruce will say it was a team effort. If it blows up, they will blame Jay and fire him for it.
Fool me once…
Go back, look at what was said after the mcnabb deal, then see what was said by all participants when it failed.
Same with the Griffin trade. Shanny gets axed, Bruce is still here
The Kirk Cousins lovers are already crying on the radio it’s pretty funny.
Kirk is a solid QB. But we didn’t lose a future HOFer.
And it was obvious he didn’t want to be here.
They’ve only got him that they can cry to
smh
If you look at this from the perspective that Kirk was never going to negotiate a long term deal here, then this trade makes sense and is good. I don’t like giving up Fuller so he needs to be replaced but have no issue with Kirk leaving that is what he wanted.
I don’t mind letting Kirk walk. He was not going to sign here without the use of the franchise tag. And I have doubts that he’ll ever take a team deep into the playoffs.
It’s getting rid of Fuller and a 3rd round pick that sucks.
Couldn’t care less about Kirk but I think this is the wrong way to build a football team. You don’t give up good young talent and bring in old guys for big money.
The Kirk Cousins crap is over thank the lord.
This is an awful deal. I like Alex Simth quite a bit.
But getting rid of a young, improving CB is going in the wrong direction.
This may be like the Champ Bailey situation all over again. Fuller may go on to be a pro-bowler in KC. Or at the very least, a solid starting CB for many years.
We could have drafted a QB (and still may do that) or sign a stop-gap FA.
so far, hate the idea. giving up Fuller and a 3rd this year? dammit. have to see how the rest of the offseason goes, but to me, this is not a good start.
Travel well Kirk
Let the wind be at your back.
Alex Smith? Yuck
Older-less-agile.
…similar athletes
There’s a dark moon…Kirk is wishing the sun will soon go down. Soon Kirk will be in downtown Denver
Wait…so is Smith a Redskin for 4 years or 5?
Schefters first tweet says we signed him to a 4 year extension on top of the year he still currently has. If we have him for 4 years at $94 million, that’s $23.5 mil a year if Mort is correct, however if its 5 years at $94 million then it’s $18.8 mil a year…and a complete bargain for the QB position in today’s NFL. It’s no coincidence that every year the top 4 teams in the conference finals usually feature another team or two in addition to the Patriots who have a decent–not crippling–cap hit at the QB position.
Ok – I like this move a lot.
I’m a big KC fan but he’s been a total prick with this deal. If he wanted to be here he’d be here.
Smith is a really good player and will thrive with Gruden. Yeah Fuller is good- but let’s be honest- we got a top QB and this signals that we will resign Breeland- which we should do- he’s ascending. We have depth at corner.
Thanks for the memories Kirk. But “Bye Felicia”
By memories I meant mediocrity bye the way Felicia.
I don’t think Captain will thrive anywhere else.
I guarantee he will wind up in Denver.
You know Denver fans are salivating for Kirk…
It’s not a bad move
Sliced and Diced…I’m internalize it … Wait one…
Move on
Bye
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In the morn’n
I’m out.
Damn you Bruce Allen
Okay. I can’t listen to those dudes fluff on Cousins anymore.
Alright… enough for one night. Later
Denzel Ward is going to be mocked to the Skins at 13 repeatedly.
Hoping Doug Williams has some vision and authority , but it ain’t looking real promising
Trust the process….yeah right
all the naysayers say he’s just a figurehead and has no real clout . Shit like this makes them look right .
This is an injury move to any other team. Like the old Browns. Chip Kelly Eagles. Mc Nabbed. FAILS
I don’t give a crap about Kirk, but this is absolutely NOT the way you build. Give up a a young talented CB and a solid draft pick for an older QB who’s going to to be taking up a significant % of your cap. It just doesn’t make any sense. What’s the point of this trade? We aren’t winning a SB anytime soon. WTF do we need Alex Smith for?
I’m with you
No sense at all.
Even if they draft a QB. This deal is crap for the hit to the cap we take.
Skins dont have much when it comes to evaluating skill positions. Frankly Dan should clean out the whole house. Mediocrity will be a complement if continues w this shipwreck.
Pseudoscouts and coaches
This is a shit show and it’s been a shit show since they traded for McNabb . Actually way before that but it’s been so long you have to reset the bar somewhere .
Su’a Cravens arrives just in time!!!
Can he play slot corner?
No but ge can play dress up
Hide the salami with Mia and her Butch friend
I’ll tell you what the big deal about the traded pick is…
it proves Bruce dropped his fucking pants
He straight dropped his pants and horked on that Chief’s spear.
Bruce looked at it as a 4th round pick spent… he has no vision
The guy with the vision is at home tweeting
And sippin’……and laughin’………and sheddin’ a tear for Alex
Fuller is still on rookie contract correct? Or do they sign him to a new one?
Got 2 more years on rookie deal
Another bonus for the chiefs
Kirk walks, and we get a 3rd round comp pick in 2019
Fuck Kirk.
KSFTG
Yeah….but KFW?
Kentucky Fried What???
Kendall Fuller wwwwhhhhyyyyyyyy?
The thing that kills me, not only did we give up ridiculous value in a Pro bowl caliber CB and 3rd round pick, but then we seal the deal with a terrible contract
So much dumb I can’t even keep up with it.
All that money for a guy with a history of hitting the wall.
wtf
Nuts. Hope Dan cleans house tomorrow. Coaches in on this deal too. Fire them all. Dumb as hell w skill positions. Fact
What?
Dan ain’t cleaning anything. You think this happens without his approval?
So… a pick next year is worth what? One less round this year?
So we basically traded Kendall Fuller and one round position for Alex Smith
sheesh
The team is betting on Hosley I bet to be the slot guy. Don’t like the bet. Hope he’s up to the challenge
They are hoping to build the Island of Dr. Moreau
I’m hoping Bruce wrecks himself
We bailed out the Chiefs QB situation, and gave up Fuller plus a pick.
DUMB
Hate trading young for old. The pick is whatever IMO
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Time to move along now Scot.
He might have had he still had a job here and drinking.
Still got the draft, and FA…for now though, this team is no more competitive in the division than it was before this goofy ass trade.
Less so without our best CB
Oh yeah , plus a new QB who has to learn the system . That’s huge .
Backwards. Fuller an impact player worth a 1st. Done nothing but climbed . Best Fuller brother. Seen em all. Just dumb.
I’m down with thew trade
KSFTG
Shut up
Bite me.
I will – K Fuller
BOOM!
I got your BOOM right here…
You got doodley squat
wtf is ksftg
Kirk Schmirk, Fuck that Guy
ha!
You’re a tomato head, you don’t remember shit.
oh?
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Nice hatband, city-slicker
Trying to save face on the KC debacle and this is how they did it .
This reads as an absolute panic move. One of the worst panic moves I’ve ever seen
Crumbled under pressure. Failure magnified. Hopeless
I agree . They found out KC was never going to cooperate .
Fuck Kirk. Go Alex!
You think Alex Smith is worth 71 mil guaranteed, a 3rd round pick and Kendall Fuller? Pass me that shit you’re smoking
Powdered Geritol
I don’t think that’s what he’s saying.
We’re now tied to 33 year old Alex Smith for the next 5 years
Probably not 5 years…
71 mil guaranteed though… That’s at least 3, probably 4
That’s 3 for sure
Alex Smith Mock:
Round 1 Pick 32 (N.E.): DaRon Payne, DT, Alabama (A)
Round 2 Pick 11 (N.E.): Will Hernandez, OG, Texas-El Paso (B+)
Round 2 Pick 12: Harrison Phillips, DT, Stanford (C+)
Round 2 Pick 32 (N.E.): Rashaad Penny, RB, San Diego State (B+)
Round 3 Pick 14: Allen Lazard, WR, Iowa State (A)
Round 4 Pick 13: Auden Tate, WR, Florida State (A+)
Round 5 Pick 12: Jordan Thomas, CB, Oklahoma (A)
Round 6 Pick 14: Terrell Edmunds, SS, Virginia Tech (A+)
Round 7 Pick 13: Richie James, WR, Middle Tennessee (A+)
Round 7 Pick 23: Cam Serigne, TE, Wake Forest (C+)
This is so fucked up. Another fail by dumbass Bruce
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Jerruh and Mara are laughing their balls off right now.
Another fucking QB , again. I haven’t even got past that yet .
Gotta say, Dan allowing this to happen and Bruce actually thinking it was a good idea tells me there is absolutely no hope for this franchise. We’re just in this for giggles now
Jesus Christ , Dan don’t fuckin know . He’s clueless.
We will never win. We don’t even need to pretend this franchise will ever right the ship
Nope , we won’t.
71 mil in guaranteed money for Alex Smith!!?? and we lose Kendall Fuller!!??
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Kendall Fuller is now telling his teammates that he is headed to the Chiefs in the Alex Smith deal. He was one of the last people to find out. #Redskins
Classy
This is seriously fucked up. Why do I have to be a fan of such a shitty team?
Sugarcoat all this BS with Cousins and SM , but the harsh reality is dysfunction and it’s real. This is a desperation move because they have fucked up so badly in the past .
Sugar-coaters are gonna have tuff sledding ahead
Exactly
I absolutely hate this trade. I can’t believe we gave up Kendall Fuller. Fuck Bruce, Fuck Dan, this is bullshit
Does Vinny have a scouting service the skins are using now?
We have up staged the Super Bowl somehow.
Hang Bruce from the yardarm….
This fucking team man….
I know. Making the impossible possible
https://twitter.com/NilesP_/status/958559991673143296
Not a good night to be out of alcohol at home
How does the FO and coaching staff justify this deal among themselves and all agree on pulling the trigger?
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CB Kendall Fuller allowed a 55.0 passer rating when covering the slot in 2017. The LOWEST mark in the NFL this season!
(min. 150 snaps in slot coverage)
Best fucking thing that ever happened to him
Probably right
This crew just doesnt know talent if these trades are true. Big blow to whole FO and .coaching staff. Just not a credible crew.
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Ralph Dale Earnhardt Jr. Retweeted Dan Daly
Don’t mind Alex. Hoped to keep Cousins and avoid the cap hit but lost Cousins and somehow still rumored to take a chunk of cap space.
He’s yet to comment on Fuller
Yes he did
Dale?
Yes . In his first tweet
Shit
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Paul Conner Retweeted Grant Paulsen
Norman, Dunbar, Moreau is a good group to build off of
Paul Conner added,
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If the #Redskins do trade Kendall Fuller, they’ll very likely be losing him and Bashaud Breeland (hitting free agency in March). CB would become a major need.
8:33 PM – 30 Jan 2018
Don’t forget Holsey
Skins lkve CB hell. Short memories
I’m over it. Sucks that they up Fuller, but maybe Moreau and Hosley surprises this yr. Next man up.
Why the fuck do you hire Gray, then cut his Cornerback? Excuse me, TRADE
Total insanity if it’s true.
I mean…
Start looking at CB in the early rounds
How do we get anything out of Cousins?
Lead pipe?
I read somewhere that Denver wanted to work a deal to get first crack at signing Cousins.
If Kirk wants to go there he would just… go there.
Yeah, that ship has so sailed.
3rd round comp pick in 2019
So the solution was to save a couple of millions per season on Cousins and trade K Fuller?
… and a 3rd round draft pick.
Yeah, don’t forget that.
FAILING in the offseason. Going for 0-10
Thanks Bruce, you fuckin’ jagoff. Way to take a huge shit on our off-season.
IDIOCY. FIRE HIM
Yep everyone saying it’s Fuller
Holy Cow!!!! They made a decision!
Where the fuck is flounder?
Advising BA
Sleepover at BTG’s house.
It’s fuckin’ on like Donkey Kong
It is indeed K Fuller per Chick Hernandez
That’s fucked up
I don’t understand it, oh well Fuller should have been a starter here for a long time
Change the name! I would offer up, “The Washington Dumbasses.”
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Longtime #NFL Exec. source on Alex Smith over Kirk Cousins to me moments ago: “Better player then Cousins. Upgrade over Cousins. May not have STATS like Cousins.”
https://twitter.com/JuMosq/status/958556056875032576
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CB Kendall Fuller is the player that made the trade for Alex Smith possible. Chiefs view Fuller as a bonafide starter, to go along with the third-round pick they’re getting.
Schefty sticking by his guns
Fuck
That does it. I’m driving to Ashburn
The president of pants is gonna disappear
I’m on your way, I’ll meet you in Lynchburg
Package McGee and McClain
Trade Norman
Trade just about anyone under contract that isn’t Fuller
Wish they had gone after McCarron.
Still, we got more Dbs!,
My GOD! What has Doug Williams DONE?!!
— Bruce Allen
lol
Yeah, no shit
AHAHAHAAAA!!!
When can these contracts be actually signed and submitted to the light of day?
3/14/18?
I am in a long Twitter conversation with Robert Henson… he is NOT a fan of the Redskins training staff
got an early video meeting (for me) with Chennai
see you guys tomorrow some time later in the morning
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I wonder who’s the unidentified player?🌾👀🌾
This tweet makes me think that it’s not Preston
I wonder if this is back loaded…
Could the guy be Preston Smith…
Again, this sounds like BA scrambling to land someone not named Cousins.
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Grade for Redskins – STATE OF THE KIELBASA MILLEN
Grade for Chiefs – A+
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Reports indicate that the Kansas City Chiefs receive CB Kendall Fuller, and a third round pick. A+++++.
Trading away the best project they’ve had in over a decade….please don’t be true.
No , best project in a decade was a fourth round QB
Bullshit
That dude hit his ceiling with a thud.
Fuller has a long way to grow yet. So much potential there. Don’t even try and bother me with any Cousins bullshit. I will fucking hide your flip flops.
Wrong .
You can’t be serious.
Smith…just like Cousins, doesn’t do tight windows
Bolts out of the pocket in a heartbeat too
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I have Twitter shamed them
Dumb deal
Just dumb
B Mitch says it still could be K Fuller, he may just not know yet.
Both Mason Foster and Swearinger NOT happy about the Fuller rumor
I reckon not
What does KC need? What do we have that they need?
Colt McCoy
Fine
They now need a backup to Mahomes.
Fine
Colt. We draft high a QB. Only salve
Salve is not an appropriate word for this juncture.
True that. Dont think FO has confidence in scouts ability to draft QBs. 1 year great. 5 ? Insane
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Way too much per year for Alex. Fuller showed great long term potential in an improved defense. Get a terrible feeling about this trade.
Jr….buy up some twitter followers and put the pressure on Snyder to can Bruce.
Is there a better QB than Smith that is available? I see BA scrambling to right the ship from the Cousins debacle by throwing everything to land Smith before anyone else can get him.
4 year extension on top of his final year? Dumb as hell. What if a Mayfield drops to #13 ?
It’s a 3 yr qb at most. They most likely stay away from a qb in the 1st
I hope we go 1-15 and the 1 was a mercy fuck.
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Mannnnn im safe! I ain’t get traded
Thank God
He’ll be the last one to know
With Bruce?
Yep
Might as well cut off Jay’s balls too
if we traded a 3rd and Fuller, BA deserves to be fired
What’s the connect saying
he has not talked to anyone with the team since the Senior Bowl
they had not said anything about a possible trade then
so this is fairly recent development
Came together quickly. I like the decisiveness
………..
Understatement of the decade
He already deserves that for having to go find a QB to start with .
A pick and Fuller….for Alex Smith?
GTOHWTBS
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In Alex Smith trade, Chiefs will receive third-round pick And CB Kendall Fuller, per @FieldYates. So there’s the trade.
Crazy
Fucking crazy
Damn sure am hoping that report is WRONG
Fuller by himself is the equivalent of a 1st round draft choice.
Hoping it’s spin
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Nahh its not me.. I don’t thinkk
Lol im on here tryna find out just like yaa 👀
You can’t trade your slot corner that just got ranked #1 slot corner in the league.
If they traded Fuller they need to get back Kelce
Kendall Jenner?
What the hell. I am really upset if this is true
Kendall Fuller tweeted that he doesn’t THINK it’s him… but he’s not sure
Can we get the fuckin’ pitchforks yet?
I hope it’s not him.
Me, too
Should have thrown in BA also
Bruce you idiot
This deal SUCKS!!!!!!!
SMGDFH
WTF Kendall Fuller is the player
No fucking way .
Fuller are you fucking kidding me
I changed my mind – update #3, refresh.
Hate the deal now
Being reported that the player is Kendall Fuller, which would be a horrible mistake. Might be the best slot CB in the league.
The guy from USA Today is saying Kendall Fuller is the player traded…
hope that’s not true
Not a fan of this move. Smith has plateaued. 1 year deal been great but a 5 year deal. Unreal. 3 or 4 more years of mediocrity…or maybe closer to ‘almost’. And giving up a treasured 3rd round pick to boot when you don’t have picks to give up after years of rebounding for those picks lost and traded. And a player thrown in too. This is what they are giving the fans this offseason ? Weak sauce.
9-7 better than 7-9 I guess.
Keep spinning those wheels Vinny..I mean Bruce. Lol
You……you!
Kendal Fuller?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Not another word.
I say they should still draft a Qb. 2nd or 3rd round.
Hard to draft in the 3rd if you just traded that pick away
See, and I’ll prolly have a hard time moving myself from this….
Alex Smith’s skill set doesn’t make us anymore competitive as an offense than McCoy, his time in Gruden’s system and a rookie. The loss of a pick, plus the price tag of Smith, who again…will be 34 at the start of the season. I’m just not seeing making the move for the guy.
There’s no gain. As I see it. Okay….wait. There’s one. Possibly.
Maybe now we can come out of preseason to a fast start. Lotta ifs on that though. First year in a new system and all.
Bullshit .
Bullshit bullshit
Not rolling with McCoy dude . There’s a reason for that .
Smith is more athletic and throws less picks than Kirk… so there’s that
Smith’s arm is way better than McCoy’s arm.
Discussion on 980
WaPo article up
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins-reach-deal-to-acquire-quarterback-alex-smith-from-chiefs/2018/01/30/5a4b5dae-0636-11e8-b48c-b07fea957bd5_story.html?utm_term=.1187d3b45235
Is this Kennedy kid gonna cry?
What’s all over his lips?
I don’t want to speculate
Hey look!!! Another Kennedy on the TV!!!
haven’t they all been shot or killed themselves doing something stupid?
No… this idiot is just blathering on and not actually making any salient points.
So an appropriate response.
Bonus points for not idiotically clapping his hands for himself in front of the microphone like the Buffoon in Chief.
That was funny
There are a LOT of Kennedys.
Like the Duggars really.
Hard to imagine… now that I think about it… that we would draft a QB anything other than late with those dollar numbers
https://twitter.com/noonefromtampa/status/958546474484330498
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
SHHHHH!!! Don’t wake them up.
There’s stuff here I’m not square with yet…but, ditching that millstone QB of the last three seasons is a good thing. When it’s actually official.
Wait, how long is the Kirk hive going to be going on about what a screw up the FO is for not getting a deal done with him?
Someone’s gonna have to talk Hope off a ledge.
Right?
Tampa move….. scrapped
I’ll say this much….
SOTU? What SOTU?
Fuck him, this is important.
I can’t believe he didn’t stop and get this out to the nation. No way am I supporting him in a reelection.
Vote? Ha!
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Some how…Some way…they will blame this on me. No doubt
*flips beer top into trashcan.
LOL
Was just about to post that… so self centered
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Some how…Some way…you will make this about you. No doubt.
Whelp… this effectively ends one YUGE issue… no more Kirk contro… the Kirk Hive is dead or moving to KC and the Kirk Haters have their way
The BA relationship was toxic .
Every BA relationship is toxic…
…cause BA is involved
if we take a QB this year prolly, White, Benkert, Lauletta, Ferguson
Luke Falk
What about the longshot? The Winter Park native.
In the 7th round of the 2018 NFL draft, the Washington Redskins select…..Chase Litton…
Guys, I probably won’t update this again with every single rumor until we get some hard info. Tandler put out that it’s a 3rd, not a 2nd. We’ll see.
You still stomped WaPo’s ass, and probably CSN.
2nd is what they were asking this morning while we all laughed
No worries
It’ll be the lead in the dailies tomorrow
Sure am hoping they believe there’s something still to be had with Cousins.
A player, and a draft pick…for Alex Smith, does not make us competitive in the division.
All said and done, Skins had to do something. Smith was one of the better options.
Denver might go on a fire sale to keep up with the Browns and Jets
Has Alex Smith won the big games that alluded Cousins?
Andy Reed
Winning the offseason!
I’m not so sure this is winning yet… and it’s not really the offseason yet either
Blerb!
Why would the Chiefs want Cravens though?
Throw in with a lot of potential if he can get his head together.
Imagine all of the constructive criticism that KC fans will give Suzy
They might take him to Denny’s
We’re getting rid of an 88′ Pontiac LeMans for an 84′ Ford Escort.
91 Chevy conversion van for 1990 LX fast back.
To me 34 years old is not too old for a QB these days.
He’s a Safety away from heartbreak
Kyle Lauletta?
if they keep Colt they do not have to draft a guy until next year
Yeah, but if you see a guy late, this year.
(Luke Falk)
Yeah
Like him as a 2nd day guy
Chick on CSN Washington had knowledge that Kirk’s side was not negotiating with Sins as long as Bruce was in charge
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Draft a QB and have him under Smith just like KC did.
This was liked by Jessica McCloughan
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Mike White….round 2
Luke Falk round 4
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#redskins apparently giving up a third-round pick in 2018. Should get a 2019 comp pick for Cousins leaving.
Keep pouring whiskey
The #Chiefs traded QB Alex Smith to the #Redskins for a 2018 third-round pick and a player to be named tomorrow, sources say. Solid return, regardless of who the player is.
D_C’d
3rd rounder, okay
Hope it’s Compton
Yeah right…
AHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!
$23.5 million/year to Alex Smith, $70M guaranteed
So $2M a year cheaper than Kirk? Jesus Christ….
Guaranteed $$$ a whole less
Not really.
Yea… looks like a 3 year deal masking as a 5 with those dollars
On the agreement in principle. Alex Smith will average $23.5 million per year in new money on the extension and $70 million in guarantees. Nobody will be able to review that contract for awhile because officially there is no contract.
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/958540220680605701
That would be more stomachable
Amended to add… depending on who the player is
That’s a bit better.
Let’s keep griping until it’s a fourth.
I’m ready
Yeah, that’s better
I doubt it’s a for real 5 yr contract. Likely can get out after 3, Jay’s contract length
Bruce doesn’t do guaranteed years.
Andy Reid knows when to trade an older QB to the Redskins.
Indeed
Said as much below. 2nd rounder too? Ugh
hahahahahaha joke of the night
Unfortunately not a joke…
Got to give it to the FO, they made a move quickly and not waiting to pick through the scrap heap of QBs later in the year.
Su’a was a 2nd round pick. Maybe that’s the 2nd round compensation they’re talking about? Please?
Look at this! A flurry!
All fingers x’d that something miraculous happens with the Broncos and the Skins stay in the 2nd round.
Otherwise…..smh
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Ouch
In Smith’s defense… he’s in phenomenal shape for a 34 year old.
He’s great, just…..the price. Unless they figure a way to flip it.
He’s a solid QB, I like him. This is still a horrible move.
I’m not a guy that likes trading draft picks.
How the hell do you trade a 2nd round for a guy who’s 34 and 4 months old at the start of the season?
Because he had a career year and was one of the top 3-4 QBs in the league in 2017.
Pro Bowl
You should see how impressed I’m not
so so skins though….pay at top of market for a guy who won’t have that year again
a bird in the hand…
you draft a 2nd round QB and prob 1 in 3 chance hes an NFL starter
What’s the detail. Stop freaking out, it could very well be a 2 yr with a 3rd yr option
Expect Jets, Browns and Broncos to go hard after Cousins
Broncos may ask to talk to Cousins to work out contract/trade deal since they cannot out bid Jets/Browns
That would be interesting…
I think that’s why the Skins made move now. Leverage the Broncos, which is likely Kirk’s #1, to trade for him
Per Schefter, KC is getting a 2nd round pick
Refresh the browser – I updated the post with those details.
Doesn’t fill me with confidence that we outbid the Browns.
Indeed
I mean
2nd round pick for Smith
We should offer up our third round compensatory pick we’ll get for losing Cousins.
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With Alex Smith headed to the Skins, Kirk Cousins is is line for a $120M payday. Might be hard for anyone to out-maneuver the Jets for him
The Jets OC has Shanny ties .
The Browns will throw their hats in the ring
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Hi 34 year old QB new to our system. Here. Groom this rookie.
jfc
I need to chop up a zanny
Alex Smith is fine, just as long as you can bail and we don’t give up a high draft pick, that’s a mistake.
A 2nd round, if true….come the hell on
I don’t like that…..
Sure hope this isn’t McNab part deux
Should prob give credit to the reporter at the KC Star who broke the story
I cited Rapoport and Schefter, who was who we based this post on.
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I’ve heard we wont know #Redskins trade terms until tomorrow AM.
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The #Browns tried to trade for #Chiefs QB Alex Smith, sources tell http://cleveland.com , but he’s going to the #Redskins instead per @TerezPaylor
Goodbye Cousins?
He’s gonzo.
Compensatory pick?
We should get a late 3rd for him.
In 2019 or this year?
Could be a good deal. Could be an awful deal. No way of knowing until we see the deets.
No high picks
1st rounder
Kerrigan
TWill
DONE!
-Bruce
Please don’t give up draft picks for a 34 year old QB.
Please.
2nd round + player according to rumors
Yuck
What position of need do they have that we could fill?
player rumored to be Cravens or Moreau